Joey Jones on concerns of service members on the USS Lincoln: pic.twitter.com/Va2npYmA9x
— Acyn (@Acyn) August 15, 2026
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"I just do not understand the mentality. If this is a representation of who our military is now… we’re just Rome sitting here waiting to burn. We’ve got nothing left."
From "Fox Host Trashes U.S. Sailors as ‘Weak’ for Speaking Out About Dire Conditions/Fox News host Joey Jones mocked service members speaking out about conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln" (MTN).
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This story seems to be about a minority of individuals that can’t handle the military life they chose, and I never thought was representative of the entire unit. However, like all major news, “it it bleeds, it leads”; or in this case of it attempts to commit suicide, then that’s the only story that matters. Also it helps showcase the news with hyperbolic rhetoric.
Tell it!
…I didn’t serve so just assumed griping about the quality of military sustenance was tolerated and if you were eating steak and lobster you were bing sent into the shiit…
Have any service members spoken out? All I've seen is "My aunt's hairdresser's son serves on the USS Lincoln and he says the food is terrible."
And I saw a video of the bathrooms on the Lincoln, except it wasn't the Lincoln, it was an unidentified ship in port for repairs.
The whole thing is left-wing manufactured outrage.
The whole thing is left-wing manufactured outrage.
Yeah right! All this was exposed by the commie rags The Stars and Stripes and The Military Times.
Jones’ “if” statement is presented as an assumed falsehood. It was very clear from his entire remarks (this was one of the only segments I saw of the Big Show this weekend because as soon as they start talking about DSA candidates we literally tune out) that Joey Jones doesn’t believe that the complaints heavily promoted by Trump hating Media are a representative sample.
The media is never a neutral observer that plays it straight. But don’t they have whiplash from the incredible flips required for the ridiculous assertion that “Trump is wasting billions feeding steak and lobster to troops” to be followed by this fakenews story of starving dehydrated troops.
Social media has enhanced the story by claiming brick mess hall photos are from “aboard ship” and being unable to explain how a ship that literally makes its own water supply continuously has “dehydrated” sailors… because Trump.
Not falling for this latest psyop.
During my hitch In the US Navy, many years ago, the saying was that a bitching sailor is a happy sailor.
I once heard that it is the inalienable right of [servicemen] to gripe about [the armed services]. Their mother's repeating the complaints to fifth or nyt columnists notwithstanding.
"Social media has enhanced the story by claiming brick mess hall photos are from “aboard ship” and being unable to explain how a ship that literally makes its own water supply continuously has “dehydrated” sailors"
Well then, there are a lot of idiots commenting on social media. I will explain it to you. The ship does not "literally make its own water supply", it desalinates seawater, mostly likely through reverse osmosis. The filters have to be changed out frequently. If you run low on filters, you run low on water.
The opposite--and often more serious--issue with the military is "Sir. Yes Sir" thinking.
What collects1,000 paychecks but has just one thought?
A room full of military people. Sir. Yes sir.
"Water, water, every where, / Nor any drop to drink."
And that was written in 1798.
My neighbor's son graduated from HS in the spring. Over the summer, they placed a sign up that read "Kevin is going to West Point in the fall! " (I changed the name for privacy)
Very exciting indeed.
Well, his mom and dad took him to West Point. I've only heard bits and pieces - but apparently he hated it and dropped out. He's back home and enrolled in local college.
I found it interesting.
btw- this family is a family I really like. Seem like good people all around. The kids are so polite. That said - IMO -
I do not think kids today are equipped to handle discomfort.
Oh FUUUUCK this! The little cunty fucks with carry water for President Bonespurs.
If we cannot feed our sailors this is the most pathetic version of America I have experienced. We aren't even faking "greatness" anyhow.
If our adversaries were feeding their soldiers and sailors the way we feed them we would be laughing and cackling at them. It would serve as evidence of how weak, pathetic and inferior our enemies are.
Take a look at those photos you retarded MAGA cunts. Is that what American "greatness" looks like to you?
Desalination is a massive operation. I don't think you do it by using RO filters.
DD(D) drank the rage fuel this AM.
Sailors shitting over gunwales not a thing anymore?
He is correct. Pansy's were raised during the participation trophy era.
I recall during Crook Burisma Joe - the Illegal years - much of our military was infested with the woke virus. You know -the they/them crap.
Just sayin'.
If this is "fake news" why is the media denigrating our servicemen and calling them pussies? If this is "fake news" why wouldn't FOX correct the record and report the "truth." Why essentially confirm the reports of poor conditions but instead all our servicemen crybabies? 🤔
The various military times magazines are commie rags. They are essentially organs for military adjacent unions.
This is a groundswell story to serve up midterm elections. The groudswell is bad, awful, catastrophic, and it affects everyone, this ship is just a small example.
Then we have the sycophantic sympathetic psychopathic idiots chiming in on the chorus to add voices, hoping to convince us on the size of the crowd in this groundswell.
Many ships have gone on longer missions. The ships are not running out of potable water. Large ships are, however, full of complex systems that do have occasional outages, which are repaired and life goes on. Large ships have regular deliveries of supplies. The military does in fact have a rudimentary grasp of supply lines and logistics. The story is using anonymous and second-third hand 'fact' providers. It's terribly shabby work.
So he wasted Letter of Recommendation from Congress Person? When he dropped out!!
A member of Congress does not write a "letter of recommendation" for West Point; instead, they issue an official Congressional Nomination, which is a legal requirement to be considered for admission to the U.S. Military Academy
Have you seen the graffiti that was written by airmen on the wing flap of a tanker plane?
Operation Epstein Fury
Bibi’s cucks
Go die for Israel like a good goy
This is not our war and young people don’t want to fight it. Maybe all of you who think that dying for Israel is a noble cause should go staff the ships.
This was a stupid blunder, unplanned in any serious way, the sixth fleet headquarters has been pounded by missiles. The number of fast supply ships that can catch a carrier in a combat situation has been cut from four to two for budget reasons.
Trump didn’t consider any of this. We should have continued negotiations instead of killing their leadership while they were at it meeting discussing the latest US offer, but Bibi has wanted this war for forty seven years, and finally got a president stupid enough to do it.
Who could have predicted President Bonespurs would be way over his head in a military conflict. 🙋 Do you ever wonder what his Generals are thinking when President Bonespurs opens his sloppy jowls? What is going through their heads when a draft dodging little cunt is barking orders at them. Humiliating.
“ Many ships have gone on longer missions. ”
For example?
When will Honor Harrington arrive to straighten things?
Honor Harrington arrives to "straighten things out" across David Weber's military science fiction series (the Honorverse) whenever corruption, bureaucratic failure, or external aggression threatens
Congress approves military promotions to the rank of admiral ot general, meaning that Israel has to approve. That’s what America First means.
Hardly any different from my time on a destroyer in the fall of 79” when we spent 49 days off the coast of Iran after the Shaw was deposed. To a person we hated it and complaining was a shared daily activity. Such is the life of an enlisted sailor. I imagine the junior officers felt the same. I haven’t any idea what the mail service was like since I seldom wrote or received mail, however we certainly didn’t have the internet and even if we had, our parents would have had the wisdom to take it with a grain of salt. Members of congress would have certainly recognized the error of using a situation like this for political gain.
Only one Israeli soldier died during the 1976 Entebbe raid: the assault unit commander, Lieutenant Colonel Yonatan "Yoni" Netanyahu. Five other Israeli commandos were wounded during the rescue operation.
We have an enemy - Iran. The USS Lincoln is fighting that enemy by maintaining a blockade. It would be nice if there were more ships in a stronger Navy to do the job but Obama and Biden ran down our military preparedness. These sailors are paying the price because they are being stretched to the limit to make up for the feckless military policies of Dem administrations. The next time someone says: "We could cut back on defense spending and use the money constructively to finance Somali and socialist frauds," think of these sailors holding back Iranian hatred and destruction despite the shortages caused by Dem policies, which include disregarding open, obvious fraud.
"Desalination is a massive operation. I don't think you do it by using RO filters."
RO is the most energy efficient method. I can't imagine using a distillation process on a ship, considering the energy consumption and space required.
For the American “Commander in Chief” to dismiss concerns out of hand is as disrespectful as it is unsurprising.
The worst part of a two week war is the first four years.
The world's largest military force, backed by the world's strongest economy, is showing signs of exhaustion after just six months of war without ground troops. Who would have thought? Honestly, I wouldn't have.
JAQ - you spout a lot of crap and don't provide evidence.
bitching sailor is a happy sailor like going to cussing school
“Runs on its stomach” and all that…
As always, logistics not firepower define a good army. Putin’s tanks ran out of fuel before reaching Kiev, US sailors are left without basic supplies before being able to “open” the Strait and are forced to leave the region. Both megalomaniacs don’t understand this.They live in their own bubble.
The Democrats are doing their rain dance, but no rain. They are getting thirsty.
This is an important story.
For the Dems and the media it's a short term opportunity to attack the Trump Administration and drive one of their most threadbare narratives, that under Trump everything is chaos and mismanagement. But...
If we are having trouble with logistic support capability in this limited engagement, how are we going to be able to support our combat ships in say, a sustained war against a near peer adversary like China on the far side of the Pacific?
Maybe the administration should stop ridiculing the sailors who have complained (even if some deserve ridicule, it comes across as punching down) and start using this story to create support in Congress and the public to build ships. The Administration has been pushing for ship-building with some success, but we are woefully underequipped with regard to logistics for the Navy. We badly need supply ships, fueling ships, repair ships, ammo ships, etc.
Imagine if another situation crops up somewhere and we have to support carrier battle groups in two regions? Do have what it takes? Depending on specifics, the answer may be, no, we don't.
"The ship does not "literally make its own water supply", it desalinates seawater, mostly likely through reverse osmosis. The filters have to be changed out frequently. If you run low on filters, you run low on water."
The Abraham Lincoln creates fresh water from seawater through distillation, using the energy and heat of the reactor to do so. It has four separate such desalinators, and together these make more than 400,000 gallons per day. No RO filters required.
Nice try, though.
Bitching in the military has been a thing since Caesar was in short pants.
You all dried up hags and limp dick cucks get inspiration from lamenting about kids these days.
Hesiod (c. 700 BC): Wrote in Works and Days that he saw no hope for the future because youth were reckless, disrespectful of parents, and impatient of restraint.
Aristophanes (423 BC): Mocked the younger generation's disregard for traditional values and education in his play The Clouds.
" DSA Praises Fidel Castro in 100th Birthday Tribute, Denounces Marco Rubio as ‘Genocidal.’"
what f-heads.
Atomic powered aircraft carriers use heat from their reactors to distill sea water. Smaller ships use RO.
Mission accomplished!
I've seen people saying that this is an op by the Iranians to get the Lincoln withdrawn. I suspect the Iranians are smart enough to know that the Lincoln will just be relieved so different carrier, same threat.
I think it is an op by the Chinese. The only carrier in the Western Pacific is the Washington and it is gone or will be shortly to relieve Lincoln.
If China wanted to get up to shenanigans with Taiwan, this would be an ideal time to do it.
The nearest carriers to WestPac are on the US west coast. That is 9-10 steaming days if the seas cooperate and the carrier runs flank speed, which stresses the bejabbers out of the whole ship. (Flank speed is above Full which is above Standard. It is probably about 40 miles an hour)
That assumes the ship can get underway immediately. Not a given. It may not be fully loaded and will require a few days to prep. And is the air wing aboard? That takes a bit of time if it is not.
Well played, China. Well played.
John Henry
It's rage bait all the way down, not turtles anymore
Poor Howard - he and DD got together and drank from the same angry cult cup.
Your team (D) Howard - likes to inflate grades for failing students and hand out participation trophies - on top of that your team HARMS with gender confusion grooming.
**Freder Frederson said...
"The whole thing is left-wing manufactured outrage."
Yeah right! All this was exposed by the commie rags The Stars and Stripes and The Military Times.**
What was, Freder? What was exposed? Be specific. My comment was specific to the outrage, not that the life of a Navy sailor isn't shangri-la.
I'm interested in the truth. WE don't get the truth from leftists or communists. (same thing)
“s'opihjerdt said...
I once heard that it is the inalienable right of [servicemen] to gripe about [the armed services].”
As a Vietnam Era veteran, let me assure you that you f**k’n A heard right.
Since somebody asked, from Wikipedia via Gemini
During the presidency of Barack Obama, the USS George H.W. Bush (CVN-77) undertook multiple deployments, with the longest lasting nine months (274 days) from February 15, 2014, to November 15, 2014, in support of operations against ISIS in Iraq and Syria.
The Abraham Lincoln has been deployed for approximately 260 days beginning November 21, 2025.
A TV anchor as Secretary of War games and propaganda. A former real estate developer and TV star as President. What could possible go wrong.
2026 will be remembered as the year when it became apparent that the US cannot actually defeat even a middling military power like Iran, or keep open a 20-mile stretch of water, or manufacture ordnance to replenish supplies. This won't be lost on China.
Chi Com dis-info and Democrat party dis-info = same thing.
Trump needs to hire John Henry as a one-day sub for the departing press secretary, so he can repeat his comment above to lay out the whole ChiCom angle of this thing, then ask the media why they want to help the ChiComs. CC, JSM
I've been sucked into discussion on X on this. The amount of utter bullshit being written for the gullible has to be seen to be believed.
The main thing that strikes me is the pictures of the dirty heads. If true, which I seriously doubt, it would be a gross failure of leadership from the e-4/5 who supervise the seamen cleaning the heads to the Chiefs supervising them, all the way up to the captain.
If there are NO cleaning supplies, which some claim but which I doubt, heads will be cleaned with seawater and elbow grease. More work but just as tiddly.
It's a long cruise without a port call and it sucks. It is the nature of the beast.
Back in the day, 60s/70s the Navy's standard, target, operating tempo was 20 days a month underway. Some of those days might be spent in various ports. Sometimes working 16 hour days loading out or offloading. But 20 days a month away from home.
A 7 month cruise every 12-18 months was standard. Between the major cruise the ship would be out for a week here, a month there.
It's the navy. It is what it is. "Like prison with a chance of drowning" As Samuel Johnson (I think) said.
John Henry
In response to concerns about conditions aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln, we will rename the ship the USS Jefferson Davis. ~ Pete Hegseth
Re suicides, I think there is one case where a sailor went over the side. The military has always had people self-inflicting injuries to get out of combat or stressful duty. If I were fed up with Navy life, threatening suicide would be one way of transferring out. Ruins your career but if you are not a lifer, that may not be a big deal, you are off the ship.
And if you can prove your suicidal thoughts are a "service related" disability you may be eligible for VA compensation!
John Henry
According to the Office of Naval Research (must be some kind of commie organization) the Navy uses a system that combines ultra-filitration and RO to desalinate water. I'm sure Trump, after demanding the Navy switch back to steam catapults will insist on returning to steam distillation for desalinization.
RO is the most energy efficient method. I can't imagine using a distillation process on a ship, considering the energy consumption and space required.
Uh. They have their very own nuclear reactor. I don't think energy conservation is a concern.
@Freder, you ignorant slut, there is a YouTube video on how the Lincoln makes 400,000 gallons PER DAY of of fresh water using the waste heat from its nuclear reactors let it use flash evaporation to produce its fresh water.
De-salination is a huge operation. Please link the proof that this ship has one on board. Thank you.
Thank you - Big Mike.
I don't know what the sailors are bitching about. They all got brand new oars lest Christmas.
"What was, Freder? What was exposed? Be specific. My comment was specific to the outrage, not that the life of a Navy sailor isn't shangri-la."
Read the article your own damn self.
Distillation and De-salination are not the same.
You do not de-salinate water by using R.O. filters. Crikey.
Does everyone on the left use BS NOW for their Bullshit "facts"?
Freder - there is a link in your link to "MS NOW" - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL.
I don't think I have enough information to truly make a judgment, and I'm not sure that your average person not privy to complete information are really able to do so either.
It does seem that this has not been a standard deployment, in part due to factors such as the bombing of the base.
It does seem that there has been an unusually low Portside stops, and unusually low leave. And then there is the uncertainty of the length of deployment without a break.
I'm always skeptical of reporting in the heat of things. At the same time, I deplore the jumping to conclusions that smear our military personnel as weak, or something.
Politicizing this situation seems too easy, and as far as I'm concerned, it's apparent from all sides.
"According to MS NOW" - LOLOLOLOLOLOLOL lolololol
"Freder, you ignorant slut, there is a YouTube video on how the Lincoln makes 400,000 gallons PER DAY of of fresh water using the waste heat from its nuclear reactors let it use flash evaporation to produce its fresh water."
I am relying on what the Office of Naval Research (Its purpose is in its name) is saying. The Lincoln was commissioned in 1989. Even back then R.O. was the way to go.
@Meade, as a person who has suffered from bone spurs for almost half a century, I would appreciate your assistance identifying D. D. Driver. A ball peen hammer applied to his heel bones will assist me in introducing him to the level of pain one learns to live with when one’s bone spurs act up.
For the record, bone spurs show up on x-ray scans. If you show up for your induction physical with a doctor’s note about bone spurs, the army foctors are supposed to check.
Have to say, I like what that commentator was selling on the panel. If I was a sailor on the ABE coming home right now, I'd be damned pissed off that, after all my hard work, the stories circulating right now are what my deployment would be seen as.
Long deployments are stressful, sometimes conditions suck, and the occasional sailor will get sad. Happens on every ship on every deployment. It doesn't disgust me. What disgusts me is the reportage that happened based off of hearsay (or hearsay of hearsay), the fake sympathy generated from those fake stories (written without evidence, I might add), and the politicians and wannabe politicians trying to make hay off of one of the few segments of society that isn't afraid to do hard things.
Two things I think are feeding each other on this topic: Gell-Mann Amnesia effect and confirmation bias.
"Does everyone on the left use BS NOW for their Bullshit "facts"?"
Did you bother to read the article by the Office of Naval Research I linked? Did you even bother to google desalinzation methods.
You are just wrong. Admit it.
No, Freder, I don't think the Navy uses reverse osmosis from desalination. Not on carriers or other Nuke surface ships. Claude just confirmed this. Water is distilled. You take sea, boil it and condense the steam.
As I Machinist Mate I was qualified, on paper anyway, on about 5 different tyles of distillation plants then in Navy use. Very well qualified, through hundreds of hours of experience with "soloshell double effect" stills.
Also a lot of experience with distillation of water in the pharma industry as well as RO.
Boilers, especially higher pressure, and even more especially nuclear reactors require extremely pure water. Close to "theoretically pure" or nothing at all other than H & O
To the larger point, they do make a lot of highly pure water. But they also use a lot of water. Most of it goes to feeding the steam generation. Yes, steam is condensed and reused but a lot of steam and water is lost along the way and needs to be made up.
Second steam catapults use and exhaust a lot of steam.
Finally, if there is any water left over, it can go to potable water. The ship always comes first.
"Water hours" used to be common on all Navy ships underway. Freshwater for showers and sinks would be turned on for 30 minutes daily. I suspect it has gotten better but if there are heavy ops, issues with the distillation plant it is entirely routine for fresh water to be rationed. So I don't see that as a big deal.
Drinking fountains would never be turned off. Even in the 60s the navy worried a lot about dehydration. "If you don't have to pee, you are not drinking enough water. And take more salt tablets!"
John Henry
Freder - R.O - can purify water, ie: remove impurities. But it does not De-salinate water.
which is what you claimed above.
You people sure love, conquering mole hills. Talk about getting your participation trophies, LOL
" If you show up for your induction physical with a doctor’s note about bone spurs, the army foctors are supposed to check."
Not if your dad is a very wealthy real estate developer with many political connections.
Trump Threatens to Bomb Oman if It ‘Gets in the Way’ of Iran Conflict ~ WSJ
"President tells Fox News U.S. forces could strike Gulf nation if it interferes in Strait of Hormuz blockade"
Why provoke one side of the Strait when you can provoke both? ~ Don Tzu
Sometimes I remember and laugh at how Trump and Vance advertised themselves as the "Pro Peace Ticket".
One of the few upsides to this whole affair is that you hardly hear anyone claim Trump is "anti-war" or an "expert dealmaker". They were not true before, but it's completely undeniable now.
While US Military Ship building is impressive....
They do not have one of these on board.
"Freder - R.O - can purify water, ie: remove impurities. But it does not De-salinate water."
Sheesh, look it up. And desalinization is purification.
Howard - what mole hill are you talking about?
Seems like when you dedicated leftists are losing an argument - you build a red herring mole hill to cry on.
hanuman_prodigious_leaper said...
" Sailors shitting over gunwales not a thing anymore?"
No, but pissing in the bilges may still be.
It will also get you roundly ostracised if you are seen by your shipmates.
OTOH, when the nearest head is up 75' of ladders, down the passage and down another 10' of ladder, the temptation is great.
John Henry
John Henry
@Freder, nuclear aircraft carriers have to dispose of an enormous amount of waste heat from its nuclear reactors. Why wouldn’t they use some of that waste heat to do flash evaporation?
Stop doubling down on stupid.
"They do not have one of these on board."
Oh, so now you are conceding that RO is used to desalinate water? The Lincoln makes 400,000 gallons a day. Your picture is of a plant that probably produces many million gallons of water a day.
Our chances of winning WWII if all the troops had smart phones and wi-fi?
Peachy,
I am personally and theoretically familiar with RO. You can do it in immense quantities, millions of gallons a day. And it will get water as pure as distillation.
It is sort of like filtration in that the molecules pass through a membrane. But it is a different process and not, strictly speaking, considered filtration.
John Henry
John Henry
It could be a lot worse. They could be in Iranian navy.
"Why wouldn’t they use some of that waste heat to do flash evaporation?"
Because RO is more efficient and compact? (Although RO does use a lot of energy because you have to force the water through the filters).
Are you claiming the ONR is just publishing bullshit?
My sister calculated that during my dad's last sea tour, '68-9, he was at sea 12 months of 14 before the ship was decommissioned, but it was in 3 or 4 deployments. We got free tickets to Disneyland from the 8 or 9 month one to Vietnam & WestPac, and we lived within 10 miles of it.
I would be very concerned about these news stories if I hadn't known people in the military, didn't know young people, and if the legacy media had shown itself to be anything other than biased liars.
Since Freder keeps insisting that the Abraham Lincoln must use reverse osmosis for desalination, here's a 2017 story about how they actually do it (link):
""We have four distilling units on board which are used for making sea water into potable water," said Machinist's Mate 2nd Class Joel Cogan, a water control watch stander.
"Sea water gets sucked up, and then gets flash boiled into steam," said Lt. Daniel Sanchez, Abraham Lincoln's reactor department RP-02 division officer. "The steam is then pumped out and condensed, so we can collect it as distilled water. Chemicals, such as chlorine, are then added to the water to make it safe to drink. It is then moved to the potable water tanks and distributed throughout the ship via potable water pumps."
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Why does Freder keep insisting that they MUST do it the way he thinks they SHOULD do it, instead of finding out how they in fact do the job?
And why is the story he links (8:41am) to prove that the Navy uses Reverse Osmosis about a remote Coast Guard base, not a Navy ship at all? Anyone who follows the link will find that the comment is in fact a bald-faced lie.
I googled it. Here is a description from 2017 from one of the Abraham Lincoln's seamen. https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2253374/abraham-lincoln-makes-potable-water/.
https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/News-Stories/Article/2253374/abraham-lincoln-makes-potable-water/
If we are having trouble with logistic support capability in this limited engagement
Topic is covered on X, look for "Merchant Marine". John Konrad has been posting on the topic for a long time: https://x.com/johnkonrad.
I served on the USS Great Sitkin AE17 which was an ammunition ship. What we did for a living was allow ships to pull up alongside of up, shoot lines across and then transfer pallets of munitions over and often receive pallets of food and other supplies back. Sometimes, alongside a carrier, 5 lines across working all 5 cargo holds at once.
We got supplies from supply ships the same way and fuel oil from tankers.
We did this day or night, rain or shine, calm seas or rough.
Look up underway replenishment or unrep. The US Navy is the best in the world at this. Not only are we the best, we are the only Navy that can do this at scale.
It was probably a deciding factor in the Pacific war.
Short video of the process, resupplying 2 ships at once.
https://youtu.be/MvnTrA8AbtA?si=7b_71PemxfIFXFox
And remember, kids: Always "Rub your balls with graphite"!
John Henry
My father was career Navy (1946-74) and went on four round-the-world cruises, each of which lasted 9 months. My sister was born during one of them, and he didn't meet her until she was 6 months old. Since she already had a 3-year-old and a 1-year-old (me), mom had move back in with her parents for that cruise.
Also the claim that the Abraham Lincoln hasn't had any port calls is apparently false. Twitter reports that they had one in Oman on July 7th, less than six weeks ago. Of course, a place with no whore-houses or titty bars or regular drinking bars isn't nearly as much fun as Norfolk or Naples, but the claim that they haven't been off the ship in 8 months seems to be false.
Freder,
Smaller Navy ships and subs do use RO.
Nuclear carriers use distillation by steam.
John Henry
tommyseq:
Great minds think alike. That's the same story I linked and quoted in the previous comment.
Doing a little digging. It appears that most of the issue is from a very low percentage of the 5000 sailors on board the ship are complaining to family members who then thought it's smart to make complaints about their poor loved ones in a public meeting.
Also, apparently the re-enlistment rate on that ship is 84%. Sounds like the kids are all right to me.
Well, he did walk the walk -- before he lost his legs -- but his comment is likely to generate more negative blowback than positive feedback. Other news outlets were willing to be "regime media" when Democrats were in power. Fox should avoid playing that role now.
Trump orders major cut to US-South Korea drills as North Korea ramps up missile tests ~ FOX News
"President Donald Trump has told the Pentagon to scale back forthcoming joint military exercises with South Korea because they send a “hostile” message to North Korea, which he said was not threatening Washington."
Obviously, South Korea failed to buy any of Trump’s crypto.
NK is supporting Putin’s war with Ukraine, yet Trump regards NK as having good relations with his Administration. Trump’s foreign policy is a hot mess of confusion, weakness and incompetence. Has America ever had a weaker or more simple minded president?
The US used to try stand for something, now it just reflects Trump’s personal interests and relationships.
Jones was in ground combat. Its a standard view of soldiers that sailors have it "soft" and are "crybabies". Y'know "I was in a fox hole filled with water eating a K-ration and the sailors are complaining about having to deal with dirty clothes and no A/C"
The problem is these naval deployments can go on for quite a while and decent food and clean clothes are required for morale. Sailors don't just fight, they have to get up every day and do their job.
In any case, saying someone shouldn't complain about bad conditions because someone has it worse is childish. Its back to "Eat your food, Children are starving in India". Or "You're lucky to have a job. stop complaining about long hours and low wages".
I would also note that RO is used extensively in the pharma and other industries. Most (all?) pharmaceutical "Water For Injection USP" is produced by distillation though RO and/or deionization is commonly used to pretreat the water.
Only distillation can be used to produce WFI until about 10 years ago under FDA regs. (According to Claude) and RO alone still can't be used.
Maybe trivia but there is a distillation method in common use that doesn't use much heat. "Vapor compression" stills mount a large vacuum pump on a tank of water. It pulls a vacuum to the point where the water boils at about 40-50 degrees. The vapor is then circulated through the water (in tubes) to condense it to pure water. As it gives up it's heat, it speeds the boiling.
Old technology, the Navy was using it in the 40s. Only energy input is electricity to run the vacuum pump.
Very nifty cycle. The guy who invented the Segway developed one the size of a small refrigerator that ran off solar power to provide pure water for African villages.
John Henry
Donald Trump was NEVER in any danger of being drafted. His draft number, based on his birthday, was 356 out of 366.
The highest number ever picked was somewhere around 200.
Next one of our deep thinkers will accuse of falsifying his birthday to get a high number.
John Henry
“Are you claiming the ONR is just publishing bullshit?”
@Freder, I am claiming — with ample evidence! — that you are full of shit. I am saying that when the US Navy says it uses flash evaporation to create 400,000 gallons/day of desalinated water on the Lincoln, thst they ought to be believed.
I worked with the Naval Research Lab, which is a component of ONR. The guys I worked with were very bright and very dedicated to the mission. There’s probably something in what you’re reading tgst you aren’t understanding.
Those D-Day soldiers bitched about their hard times, but it wasn't anything compared to what the Soviet soldiers went through at Stalingrad. And those Soviet soldiers had a cakewalk compared to what those Nazi soldiers had to endure and all of it for a bad and losing cause.........That;s the worst fate. To be not only on the losing side, but to be on the losing side for the wrong cause. By such metrics we should all feel sorry for the Iranian Navy. Most their ships are on the ocean floor, and I wonder how many Iranian sailors had to go down with their ships.
Groaners.
RC Ocean,
There is a whole bitching hierarchy.
Marines think the army has it soft
Army thinks the Navy has it soft
Navy thinks, with good reason, Air Force has it soft.
And the air force is just barely military. "The alternative to military service" as one Marine told me.
I freely admit that one of the reasons I joined the Navy, other than to beat the draft, was because it guaranteed "3 hots and a cot" (4 hots underway)
John Henry
"Nuclear carriers use distillation by steam."
I am truly surprised. Although the Lincoln was built in the 1980's. I imagine the Ford Class uses RO.
“ "Why wouldn’t they use some of that waste heat to do flash evaporation?"
Because RO is more efficient and compact? (Although RO does use a lot of energy because you have to force the water through the filters).”
FFS. As others have pointed out, this is a nuclear-powered ship. Energy conservation is not a concern. Neither is Global Warming.
Freder: You imagine but can't conduct a 2-second search?
Libs always double down on their ignorance. That's why I don't bother to debate or argue with them -- just mock and ridicule.
Donald Trump was NEVER in any danger of being drafted. His draft number, based on his birthday, was 356 out of 366.
And even though the risk was low he still paid his family doctor to get a fake bone spur diagnosis!! DERP!
"He faked a health issue to evade service but he wouldn't have been drafted anyhow" is a low IQ argument uttered by retarded little cucks. He lied to evade service. <--That's the lede you cannot bury.
The sniveling little rich fucks who let mommy and daddy buy their way out of service: that is President Bonespurs.
I have a bone spur atop my left food which makes it painful to walk after a few hours. The surgeon gave me a cortisone shot for relief. Because of arthritis in that foot, to shave it down would require fusion of two bones and a month in bed. I don't think so. The draft lottery ended the year I graduated high school. I doubt that I would have passed the physical, for a few conditions I had at the time - no bone spur then.
John Henry, my dad was on ammunition ship Shasta when I was born, and when a tree fell on the house in a hurricane, and when Mom twisted her ankle showing my brother how to can can.
The fiasco aboard the USS Abraham Lincoln is another example of what happens when the people in charge of a government fail to understand government functions.
The Trump administration thoughtlessly fired numerous employees without knowing what they actually did. As a result we have a cyclospora outbreak the source of which has not been definitively identified. We have an outbreak of measles, a disease which has not been a major problem for years. We have a soldier dying from the flu after Hegseth ordered the elimination of the military's flu shot mandate. The DOJ, which has lost numerous attorneys, is forming a division to prosecute small-time fraud, while Trump pardons persons who engaged in frauds costing millions of dollars.
Trump, the doctor, orders a change in the vaccines given to children. Trump, the military strategist, starts a war without a strategic plan beyond "bombing the hell out of them." Trump, the sheriff, unleashes a group of poorly-trained law enforcement officers, causing numerous needless deaths.
This is an administration of ideologues and sycophants, lead by a malignant narcissist with delusions of competence.
@ chuck re: 9:15AM
Konrad is great. I read him regularly. So is cdrsalamander. Here's a new piece on what's happening:
https://cdrsalamander.substack.com/p/so-we-have-a-shipbuilding-national?r=41r9h&utm_campaign=post&utm_medium=web
Lots of people join for the wrong reason without taking into consideration that things can go from hunky-dory to this-sucks-so-bad-I-want-to-kill-myself. It's not an excuse. That said hybrid warfare is changing the logistics calculations in a way command hasn't foreseen and clearly hasn't accounted for. That also will need to change, regarding deployments, regarding recruiting.
Regarding everything.
It seems to me the dire situation with ship building is a great election issue. It is a result of decisions made prior to Trump and the benefits of fixing it will accrue to Presidents who come after him. It's critical and the Dems are unlikely to do anything about it. Hammer that to the voters.
It's an outrage to think how many ships could have been built to haul chow to these sailors with the tens of billions the Dem network has wasted and stolen.
I served on a steam turbine powered ship, I was not in the engineering department, but would occasionally go down to the engine room for distilled water which was used in the heat exchanger for the Radar I was responsible for. We had 4 "boilers" which produced fresh water and steam for the engines. Usually one was down for maintenance or repair sailing at our normal speed (17 knots) we could just make enough fresh water to do this. When traveling faster water usage goes up exponentially. We never lacked water for cooking or drinking, but would usually go for a week with only saltwater showers. After an E-5 and below working party (taking on stores) we almost always got a fresh water shower.
Shipbuilding and so much else Bob. The West in general made a mistake thinking global power conflicts were a thing of the past when the wall came down and that the MIC could churn out wunderwaffe at low volume and high prices to be expended against goat herders for virtually zero losses.
That was dumb. People told them it was dumb. Generals didn't listen because for many their next move was working for Lockheed.
Let’s stick with the USS Lincoln for a moment then. Hung Cao, the Secretary of the Navy, said that out of all carrier groups the Lincoln has the highest reenlistment rates of any carrier. No, I don’t think temporary supply issues will change that high re-up rate.
And Cao has more integrity than the Democrats flogging this fake (highly exaggerated) news story. The media continues to prove why they are and should be held in the lowest esteem by their own customers, news consumers.
Rustygrommet said...
“I don't know what the sailors are bitching about. They all got brand new oars lest Christmas.”
Lucky bastards. I only got hand me downs.
Nobody is going to catch me belittling the troops. Period.
Freder is right, Ford, but not other carriers, use RO. Per Brave search just now.
@Jaq, My favorite is definitely "Peace deal #64 incoming". Clearly POGs are keeping count!
Why the hell quibble over my phrase “literally makes its own water supply continuously” just to restate it with “distills”? That’s rather pedantic. After all when I say “Jack Daniels makes whiskey” you know I mean “distills and bottles.” Right?
"I ❤ Flock Cameras." is delightful. Don't we all!
Geez, DD.
You are proof that you just can't fix stupid. Nobody is going to accept a civilian doctor note for anything in the draft.
John Henry
The major US Navy development effort since 2001 (post 9/11 funding) have been troubled to incoherent. This includes the ultra-delayed, expensive, all-electric Ford aircraft carrier class, the fully failed Zumwalt destroyers, the redundant twin "Little Cr*ppy Ships" (LCS) without signficant weapons, and the recent submarine updates.
I attribute this to a mix of unrealistic budgets, weak Navy executives and staff, a bizarre-for-government effort to "leapfrog" the next tech generation, political meddling and stuff like a "green" military, and mediocre veteran/contractor performance.
All the issues you see today follow from literally 25 years of Navy slop and jaw-dropping failures.
"Freder: You imagine but can't conduct a 2-second search?"
Not surprisingly, because most people don't think about how to supply fresh water to 4000 sailors at sea, the exact desalinization method used by the Ford Class is not so easy to find.
Searching does turn up a lot about Trump's demand that the ships under construction scrap the EMALS system and return to steam catapults.
@Freder -- This is your long-term modus operandi and unrelated to Trump. You debate before researching. It's a pointless strategy.
Philadephia Naval Shipyard used to build aircraft carriers and Iowa class battleships from scratch. When I was transient there for a month in 68 they were building a large helocopter carrier.
Trump is making the shipyard great again. A Korean company has invested several billion and is planning to invest billions more.
They are already turning out large containerships and plan to ramp up to 20 ships per year.
John Henry
Huh. My father and his brother spent their deployment in a tent in the dirt in Korea, for a year and change. Getting shot at pretty much every mission, and shot down once.
Freder Frederson said...
"Freder, you ignorant slut, there is a YouTube video on how the Lincoln makes 400,000 gallons PER DAY of of fresh water using the waste heat from its nuclear reactors let it use flash evaporation to produce its fresh water."
I am relying on what the Office of Naval Research (Its purpose is in its name) is saying. The Lincoln was commissioned in 1989. Even back then R.O. was the way to go.
But the topic is the Carrier Abraham Lincoln.
I can understand you running away from the topic. You're shit at this debate stuff.
This statement of Freder's (10:41am) is utterly false: "the exact desalinization method used by the Ford Class is not so easy to find". The story I linked in my 9:41am comment, and tommyseq linked in the next two, told exactly how the Abraham Lincoln's desalinators work. I found it by DuckDuckGoing "how do aircraft carriers desalinate water" and it was one of the first five results (3rd or 4th, I think). It took 20 seconds.
Freder also hasn't admitted that the story he linked at 8:41am to 'prove' that the Navy uses Reverse Osmosis on aircraft carriers was about a Coast Guard base in a remote area of Alaska. Not Navy, not a ship, and no nuclear power plant within a hundred miles. Utterly dishonest.
Having served on several ships and submarines- flash distillation is used to produce potable water and feedwater. In MM Class "A" school we were taught the basic operation for a 3 stage flash type evaporator. With a progressively higher vacuum (AKA lower pressure) in each stage allowing the water from the previous stage to boil at a lower temperature.
On all ships if the evaporators aren't producing water pure enough to use as feedwater the water goes into the people tanks. Feedwater production has priority. When feedwater is full, the water goes into the people tanks. Reactor water goes through additional purification steps before it's used in the primary loops.
Reverse osmosis is not used for potable water or feedwater production on large ships. Vacuum distillation is a proven and well known and established process for efficiently and continuously producing large amounts of nearly pure water.
I understand mechanical vapor-compression systems were or perhaps are used on some smaller ships with lesser demand. They're more prone to mechanical failures and are less reliable. But take up less room... There are always tradeoffs.
Reverse osmosis does not fit shipboard needs, in system volume or production and the need for constant maintenance and spare parts. Flash type distillers don't require routine maintenance. Once running, they run. No oiling, no filter changing, just monitoring to be certain their output is up to par. Occasional minor adjustments.
John Henry
After finishing grad school in 1966, I received my draft notice at the same time my wife began throwing up daily. Her doctor gave me a signed letter saying she was pregnant, and gave her a pill . He said if her period didn't come in a week, mail the letter as she was pregnant and therefore I would get deferred. It didn't so I mailed the letter and got deferred.
I tried to volunteer for Air Force and Coast Guard OCS several months before that but, as Hillary Clinton experienced, they weren't taking new recruits at that time.
My pastor asked us to pray for the carrier Abraham Lincoln yesterday. Being curious, I asked Grok what was going on. As best I can tell, the complaints are coming almost exclusively from unidentified “family and friends” of alleged and unidentified sailors currently serving on the ship. The old “unidentified sources” routine. As best I can tell, the alleged suicides reported by the press consisted of one sailor who fell overboard and was subsequently rescued.
Don’t take my word for it. Research it yourself with a critical eye. Pick your favorite AI. The initial response will be a straight retelling of the CNN and NYT stories. Start asking questions. The old Socratic Method. You will get down to something akin to what I just said. Unsubstantiated claims by unidentified family and friends. Denied by the War Department.
Try it. It’s fun.
Unless you don’t really want to know.
“Not surprisingly, because most people don't think about how to supply fresh water to 4000 sailors at sea, the exact desalinization method used by the Ford Class is not so easy to find.”
Except several of us do think about such things and don’t need “research” articles to tell you how things are done operationally. Some of us even have the humility to have uncertainty about what we think we know and will then verify and validate our knowledge before insisting it must be true.
I can’t agree Dr. Weevil. I do think that exact quote could be true, mainly because the Abraham Lincoln is not a Ford Class CVN. Perhaps trying to find out what a Nimitz Class CVN does by researching a Ford Class CVN is difficult to do. For example. This story on the USS Ford does say it uses RO (https://www.navy.mil/Press-Office/Press-Releases/display-pressreleases/Article/4416968/uss-gerald-r-ford-crew-demonstrates-resilience-readiness-during-extended-deploy/), but again, that’s the Ford Class which isn’t the same as the Nimitz Class.
Freder Frederson said...
"I will explain it to you."
Actually,
"The USS Abraham Lincoln uses multi-stage flash distillation (flash-type evaporation) to convert seawater into fresh potable water. This thermal desalination process uses a vacuum chamber to lower the boiling point of seawater, powered by the immense heat generated from its two nuclear reactors."
Leland (12:07pm):
Whether the Abraham Lincoln is or is not a Ford-class aircraft carrier has nothing to do with the argument. We are talking about current conditions on the Abraham Lincoln, and I linked an article specifically about the desalination process on the Abraham Lincoln. If Freder wants to try to make it about the Ford class, who cares? Just more obfuscation from a damned liar (him, not you).
The tact that some will take is to bog you down in minutia. Like desalination systems on Ford or Nimitz class carriers. It’s a way of changing the subject.
There are videos on Youtube about life on a carrier from a EM and officer point of view. I was shocked at bad the the living conditions of Junior officers are. These guys are almost living in a closet! They also have their computers and a desk right next to their bunks.
And EM's life was even worse. I wonder how introverts in navy got through their deployments.
BTW, I think the attack on Iran has shown that the day of the Aircraft carrier is nearing its end. At least in projecting air power of great land masses. Hyper-sonic missiles combined with satellite positioning mean A/C have to stay hundreds of miles from shore. Or they will get hammered. And while one hit cant sink them, all that's required is to damage them and make them return to base for repairs.
You are proof that you just can't fix stupid. Nobody is going to accept a civilian doctor note for anything in the draft
“I had a doctor that gave me a letter — a very strong letter on the heels,” Mr. Trump said in the interview."
Trump has admitted dodging the draft. That isn't in reasonable dispute, cucks.
I see the anti-American "Left" is now using an expose video, presumably shot on the carrier. Turns out the videographer is in Puerto Rico and nobody knows what ship the slug videoed.
BTW, can anybody explain how a US Senator got slick willy outta the draft. Also, let me know Xiden's exemplary military service.
So what? If Trump is a draft dodger by Triple D standards (using the term loosely of course) then he has also received a full and legal pardon from president James Earl Carter. Pardons are forever dumbasses. .
BTW, can anybody explain how a US Senator got slick willy outta the draft. Also, let me know Xiden's exemplary military service.
You are dead on: Trump is much more like Bill Clinton or the Bidens than his is like you or me. Good reminder. Thank you.
Pardons are forever dumbasses. .
True, but being a cunty little coward is forever. Pardons do not erase that. When his country needed him he hid under his bed with his daddy.
You must know people who served? What do they think about cowardly little rich cunts that stayed home? He is a pussy.
All this was exposed by the commie rags The Stars and Stripes and The Military Times.
You are surely aware that neither of these is an official DoW publication, and while they are targeted to the squids and grunts and zoomies and jarheads, they are written by J-school types who are akin to sportswriters in their determination to shoehorn leftist politics into their work product whenever they can?
Mike D said.
"I see the anti-American "Left" is now using an expose video, presumably shot on the carrier. Turns out the videographer is in Puerto Rico and nobody knows what ship the slug videoed."
Perhaps Tuq'r is vacationing with his new lover Hunter Bixden - and he made it?
Up next on BS NOW.
When you link to MS-NOW - you prove you are full of Adam Schitt
Enigma said...
"I attribute this to a mix of ..., political meddling and stuff like a "green" military...."
8/17/26, 10:40 AM
Oh man, that reference triggered a recollection of the "Great Green Fleet" boondoggle.
It took several tries, but I finally found some info re: its final days:
https://www.newstarget.com/2025-04-11-us-military-ends-decade-of-climate-change-initiatives.html#:~:text=A%20decade%20of%20wasteful%20spending
Freder should stick to something he know about- dystopic German silent movies.
Well then, there are a lot of idiots commenting on social media. I will explain it to you. The ship does not "literally make its own water supply", it desalinates seawater, mostly likely through reverse osmosis. The filters have to be changed out frequently. If you run low on filters, you run low on water.
Yet again Freder has confidently stated the most laughable horse shit in the most smug and supercilious fashion imaginable.
The Lincoln is a Nimitz-class carrier with a nuclear reactor on board. It makes fresh water through distillation using the abundance of thermal energy produced by the reactor. Seawater is turned into steam by reactor heat in a low pressure MSF (Multi-Stage Flash) evaporation chamber complex, leaving the salt and other minerals behind in concentrated brine, and then condensed into very pure fresh water in a series of pipes. The hypersaline brine is expelled back into the ocean. There are four of these distillation units on board, each capable of making 100,000 gallons of fresh water daily.
"I will explain it to you", my rosy red ass!
"Nobody is going to catch me belittling the troops. Period."
Agreed, but they are currently being defamed by anonymous sources and the Democrat media. If any of the troops are involved in that, I make an exception for them.
jaq (8:04am):
"Have you seen the graffiti that was written by airmen on the wing flap of a tanker plane?"
I have seen the graffiti that was allegedly written on the wing flap of a tanker plane. Because I follow John Konrad and half a dozen other well-informed military people on Twitter, and read the replies to their posts, I know that it is very suspicious. For one thing, all of the texts seem to be in the same handwriting, so "airmen" should be "airman" or "maintenance man" or possibly "passerby". Others on Twitter have alleged that the yellow stripe on the fuselage is only found on out-of-service aircraft in the "boneyard" in Arizona. I don't know about that, but I can't help noticing that the picture carefully omits any background scenery that might help identify where it was taken. And DuckDuckGo does say that a yellow tag on a military part means it is "serviceable". If a plane is actually in use in a forward area, it wouldn't need such a tag, so, again, it looks like the picture was taken in the boneyard. That the wing looks quite dusty is another point in favor: aircraft in combat are likely to be kept clean. All in all, you have to be very gullible to believe that this picture proves anything about what our airmen (plural) in the Gulf area are thinking.
Remind me, DD, weren't you air force?
John Henry
@John Henry, I seem to recollect that he said he was. That doesn’t mean he actually was.
I put the alleged complaints in the same basket as "Angry WH Staffer" posts during Trump 45.
by the way - I stand corrected on the ability of these military ships to desalinate water. But they don't do it using R.O.
DR. Weevil - good sleuthing. @1:37
Also -graffiti in general is a sure sign of angry leftist bumper sticker behavior.
"Freder should stick to something he know about- dystopic German silent movies."
I'm here for that!
Murnau's Nosferatu, enjoyed it.
Fritz Lang's legendary Metropolis? Peeeee-yew! It stunk!
Hassayamper @ 1:37 - thank you.
Leftists do, say, and think horrible things - then blame others - but mostly the Joooos!
The phrase "picking fly shit out of pepper" is a traditional North American and maritime colloquialism. It means being overly meticulous, focusing pathologically on microscopic details, or wasting time on insignificant, impossible-to-fix trivialities.
The U.S. Navy in the Gulf of Oman is stretched to the breaking point. All supplies are now coming from Diego Garcia, 2,200 miles away--a result of Iran destroying the U.S. Navy's base in Bahrain in the opening days of the war.
Hegseth simply did not believe that Iran could successfully attack U.S. land bases in the Middle East and did not have a Plan B for logistics. Now, the aircraft carrier George Washington is moving from the Pacific to relieve the Abraham Lincoln--leaving the Pacific without a U.S. aircraft carrier. The George Bush (the second U.S. aircraft carrier in the Gulf of Oman) is as worn out as the Abraham Lincoln and will have to be relieved soon. Meanwhile, the Gerald Ford is in pieces, being repaired in dry dock in the U.S.
“ Whether the Abraham Lincoln is or is not a Ford-class aircraft carrier has nothing to do with the argument. We are talking about current conditions on the Abraham Lincoln, and I linked an article specifically about the desalination process on the Abraham Lincoln. ”
We agree. It makes me wonder why Freder decided to research something other then the Abraham Lincoln to find an answer.
The US Navy has 11 active carriers--but it's said that we live in a 15 carrier world. My hometown is San Diego--during the 1960s we usually have 5 or even 6 carriers home ported in San Diego. These days we have three. Cruises to the Western Pacific were usually for six or maybe seven months. The tempo picked up during the Viet Nam war. The Iranian war has been a strain--carriers are staying out much longer--it's hard on the crews--and hard on the ships. You're a 19 or 20 year old sailor and you haven't seen the USA for almost a year. Of course if you were a grunt in Viet Nam, you were there for a year.
Peachy,
They didn't used to use RO on navy ships, they desalinated seawater via distillation (evaporation and condensation of seawater)
Apparently, in recent (past 20 or so?) years most ships including submarines have been built with RO plants. The exception is carriers and other nuclear powered ships.
This discussion took me down a rabbit hole I fell in a couple weeks ago. Other than nukes, very little, as in almost none, of the world's civilian and military fleets are powered by steam these days.
So for desalination, that means 2 things: 1) No steam engines means that the ship probably uses 50%, perhaps only 25% of the water a steamship uses. 2) You can make steam with the exhaust heat from gas turbines, most navy ships, but only when underway and then the amount of steam is going to be variable depending on how fast you going. So where do you get the steam in port or when cruising slowly. RO is purely electrict to run the pumps.
So most modern ships use a LOT less fresh water and don't have steam as redily available. That makes RO the attractive solution.
And, since the Ford has the electric catapults, it is going to use a lot less steam than, say, the Lincoln with steam cats and therefore a lot less water. And is probably part of the reason it went with RO.
A steam cat uses about 130 gallons of water (in the form of steam) per launch. If they are launching 150 shots a day, that is 20m gallons/day. Not a lot out of 400m gpd, but heavy operations, up to 250 shots/day, (32m gallons) could upset a ship's water budget.
Plus, during heavy operations the carrier runs the steam plant a lot harder and the harder you run them, the more water they use.
John Henry
@MikeD, Bill Clinton's situation did not involve outside influence any more than Trump's did despite claims people like to make. When Clinton received his draft notice in the spring of 1969 he made a commitment to enter the ROTC program at the University of Arkansas when he returned stateside from Oxford in the fall. He gave up that deferment after his draft number turned out to be 311. Though there are claims he decided prior to the draft lottery held in December 1969 to decline the ROTC deferment he didn't deliver an official letter of withdrawal until the end of December.
In an organization based on persuading 18 year olds and twentysomthings that it's great to ride around next to nukes and get shot at, maintain good morale is critical.
Hyman Rickover might suggest that trump and the jerk from fox take a ride.
With a handle like DD Driver, I assumed he was a destroyer sailor. CC, JSM
- This is your long-term modus operandi and unrelated to Trump. You debate before researching. "
Oh, fuck you. My original point was that desalinization systems require a lot of maintenance. I mistakenly assumed that the the Lincoln used an RO system. But I was wrong, it uses a distillation system. So what, it is still going to get messed up after so long at sea, especially considering the steam required for combat operations. It is a much more valid assumption than a lot of the bullshit spewed here. Peachy claimed that RO couldn't be used to desalinate water. Why didn't you call her out on that ridiculous assertion?
"This statement of Freder's (10:41am) is utterly false: "the exact desalinization method used by the Ford Class is not so easy to find". The story I linked in my 9:41am comment, and tommyseq linked in the next two, told exactly how the Abraham Lincoln's desalinators work. "
Hey dumbass, the Lincoln is a Nimitz class carrier, not Ford. It was commissioned in 1989 and the keel was laid in 1982. The Gerald R. Ford is the only one currently on active duty. The John F. Kennedy is currently in sea trials. Next up is the Enterprise, followed by the Doris Miller.
Again, you are a dumbass.
IEE: "Hegseth simply did not believe that Iran could successfully attack U.S. land bases in the Middle East and did not have a Plan B for logistics."
When your general staff officers are the product of 12 years of Obama/Biden and 4 years of being the Resistance to 45, it is a difficult decision whether or not to believe their assessments. Assuming they even made such assessments. Or maybe they maliciously complied by giving him "Great Plan, Boss!" briefings.
When you have to give serious thought to the possibility your subordinates are executing a deception plan on you, it makes it hard out there for a War Secretary. CC, JSM
The US military has:
1. A management tree a zillion layers deep
2. Parallel uniformed vs. civilian career trees
3. Routine political meddling in management and policy flip-flops
4. Attracted a lot of predatory wolves, per the combat industry itself and how psychopaths climb in bureaucracies over time
The reports given to Hegseth get whitewashed before they climb 2 layers up the management tree, and are spoken by slick people with forked tongues. With the rise of federal employee to contractor revolving doors, there's a huge culture of selfish and sloppy careerism.
Fritz Lang's legendary Metropolis? Peeeee-yew! It stunk!
Have you seen the 2010 restoration that was released in 2010 and included footage discovered in Argentina? They were able to put all the scenes in the proper order, which is not true of earlier restorations. Except for a few scenes, it is about as complete as is likely.
"Have you seen the graffiti that was written by airmen on the wing flap of a tanker plane?"
In addition to Dr. Weevil's statements above (and if you haven't seen the photo, it involves messages traced in the dust covering the wing, would be unlikely to be so filthy if it was actually operating at a military base), I would note that the flap on which the graffiti is written appears to be both completely extended, which is not how working aircraft are parked (you don't want a strong wind gust to have additional wing area on which to generate lift) and the flap appears to be damaged, as the end nearest the landing gear is bent downwardly so as to almost extend into the tires.
Also, the graffiti story was initially shared on social media by Trita Parsi, who is an Iranian-Swedish "international relations writer and political analyst" who is co-founder and executive vice president of the Quincy Institute for Responsible Statecraft. He is also co-founder and former president of the National Iranian American Council. He just might have an agenda.
Nothing a few testosterone pills won't fix.
Freder? If you haven't served, shut the fuck up.
That goes for you, too, Double Douche.
Entirely plausible it's fake, but there's absolutely a groundswell of growing discontent within the military and the veteran community of being eternally mired in escapade after escapade at Earth’s eternally itchy and irritatingly sand-filled asscrack. Much less being eternally mired there because you're someone's 'golem'. Officers and enlisted alike are noticing, and it's been growing since before I retired.
That is not fake.
Honestly, I can't even blame Bonespur's daddy. What father wouldn't help his son out out of a stupid, pointless war? If there were a draft for the Iran war you bet your ass I would pull whatever weasel moves I need to pull to keep my children out of harms way. I'll let your retarded kids (a/k/a the suckers and losers) be target practice for the Iranians. I have way too much invested in my children.
Freder? If you haven't served, shut the fuck up.
What on earth does that have to do with anything I have posted on this thread? We have mostly been debating about how water is desalinated on Navy ships. Whether or not I served (and no I haven't, but I have worked for the Army and Air Force as a civilian employee and contractor) is irrelevant.
what spaceman said
Freder thinks I'm a "dumbass" (3:07pm)? Hahahaha! If he knew the Abraham Lincoln is not a Ford-class aircraft carrier, why was he complaining how hard it was to find information on Ford-class desalination? And why can't he admit that tommyseq and I had no trouble finding information on the desalination methods used on the actual ship in question, the Abraham Lincoln? The class it belongs to would only be relevant if we couldn't find that information and had to look at other ships in the class.
He also can't seem to admit that his 8:41am comment was utterly fraudulent. He claims to prove that "Navy uses a system" of Reverse Osmosis, with a link to a story about a Coast Guard (not Navy) land base (not ship) in a remote area of Alaska (far from any nuclear reactor). Did he think none of us would click on the link?
The fact is that Freder Frederson is a shameless, contemptible, bald-faced liar, and his lies are so obvious that his willingness to repeat them demonstrates that he is also stupid beyond the level of mere dumbassery: he's a cretin, a moron, a blithering idiot. The quality of this site would increase by at least 2% overnight, if he would take his idiotic blithering elsewhere.
Yet again Freder has confidently stated the most laughable horse shit in the most smug and supercilious fashion imaginable.
Did you miss the part where I said "most likely"? Regardless of the desalination method, such systems require extensive maintenance, and it is entirely reasonable that they are going to work less effectively as a long deployment drags on.
"If he knew the Abraham Lincoln is not a Ford-class aircraft carrier, why was he complaining how hard it was to find information on Ford-class desalination? "
Because, dumbass, someone criticized me for not knowing what desalinization system Ford class carriers use.
John Mosby wrote: “𝘞𝘩𝘦𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶 𝘩𝘢𝘷𝘦 𝘵𝘰 𝘨𝘪𝘷𝘦 𝘴𝘦𝘳𝘪𝘰𝘶𝘴 𝘵𝘩𝘰𝘶𝘨𝘩𝘵 𝘵𝘰 𝘵𝘩𝘦 𝘱𝘰𝘴𝘴𝘪𝘣𝘪𝘭𝘪𝘵𝘺 𝘺𝘰𝘶𝘳 𝘴𝘶𝘣𝘰𝘳𝘥𝘪𝘯𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘢𝘳𝘦 𝘦𝘹𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘢 𝘥𝘦𝘤𝘦𝘱𝘵𝘪𝘰𝘯 𝘱𝘭𝘢𝘯 𝘰𝘯 𝘺𝘰𝘶, 𝘪𝘵 𝘮𝘢𝘬𝘦𝘴 𝘪𝘵 𝘩𝘢𝘳𝘥 𝘰𝘶𝘵 𝘵𝘩𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘢 𝘞𝘢𝘳 𝘚𝘦𝘤𝘳𝘦𝘵𝘢𝘳𝘺“
That’s quite a theory: every unfavorable military assessment is either incompetence or a 12-year-old Obama/Biden sleeper-cell deception operation. At some point, “the intelligence community is conspiring against me” stops being a defense of the War Secretary and starts being an indictment of his ability to manage the war machine. If the boss can’t trust his generals, the obvious question is: why is he the boss?
“ In an organization based on persuading 18 year olds and twentysomthings that it's great to ride around next to nukes and get shot at, maintain good morale is critical.”
Seems to be working. Recruitment is setting records.
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