We know why people took the covid shots. They were scared into doing so, coerced into doing so, or believed the lies about them being safe AND effective. There are some of us in Ann's commentariat who didn't. Like, for example, me. I can give my reasons why- and I'm interested in the reasoning of others.
1. Before covid there were multiple- as in many- attempts to make a coronavirus vaccine for animals and/or humans. The failure rate was >100%. How is that possible? Some of the avian attempts made the problem worse which I think justifies the >100% label. 2. Before covid there had been multiple attempts to use mRNA to cure many things, but not, AFAIK, to make a vaccine. Failure rate- 100%. 3. Two items with a 100% failure rate suddenly advertised as a complete success- with minimal testing. With no actual time to test efficacy or side effects, and we're told it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and we should all take it! (OR ELSE!) The "OR ELSE!" was added later.
I couldn't buy that. It ranked right up there as a something that would likely be a total fabrication- and it was. Later events simply cemented that there was no good reason to take it. The decision to never take it was already made.
The Diamond Princess and the USS Theodore Roosevelt debacle. The Diamond Princess (Feb 2020) showed that sick elderly people were more likely die from it. At 60+ my wife and I were, supposedly, just from age, in the high risk group. The 14 (or so) that died were all into their 70s, and all, reportedly, not in good health. My wife and I were in good health. The Theodore Roosevelt debacle was in MAR/APR 2020, with their one death being an overweight CPO. I've seen pics of the man, he did not meet Navy height/weight standards. Did he have any other risk factors? Someone knows, the general public doesn't. I kept track as well as I could of other military deaths. IIRC, no other active duty deaths. And the reserve/NG component deaths if you could find a pic of the decedent showed someone who didn't meet height/weight standards. Back to the ship- everyone was tested. Symptomatic or not. A whole lot of the people who tested had covid- according to the test, with no symptoms, and never developed any. Conclusion- not nearly as deadly as advertised- especially if you're in shape and in the age group 18-45- the vast majority of service personnel.
Based on those numbers, no reason to take the shot if you're otherwise healthy- which my wife and I were.
The real vaccine rollout started in Dec 2020 after these events. By that time many people had already had the disease. So what lie did they press next? NATURAL IMMUNITY DOESN'T EXIST! You had to get the shot to be immune. And- there were people who believed that lie. The variants started after the vaccine rollout. Because, as Karl Denninger, Alex Berenson, and many others pointed out- the vaccine was "leaky". It didn't confer total immunity, if any at all, and drove viral mutation. AS I said before that wasn't part of my decision making process, my decision was made much earlier.
So if you're a refusenik like my wife and I are, what was your reasoning and when did you make it?
The Russia-Ukrainian war drags on and on. Russia has now - through missile strikes - more or less shut down all of the Ukraine's Black sea ports. This will deal a massive blow to the Ukraine's economy. 2/3 of their exports go by sea through the Black Sea.
No doubt the EU will loan them the money to keep going, since the main point is to "kill ruskiees".
If in 2022, you'd told me Ukraine/Russia war would be still be going on in 2026 with no end in sight, I'd have called you crazy. But here we are. You gotta marvel at how stupid the average Ukrainian is. Evidently they'll all die for absolutey nothing and die happy.
Talking to people at work and my relatives and in-laws shows the massive difference between plugged in polticos like myself and the average person. I asked them what they thought about Lindsey graham's death and funeral and got responses which can be summarized as "Who is Lindsey graham?" or "I didn't know he was dead".
Glen Hansard, from The Commitments and Once, died yesterday in a motorcycle accident. Only 56. I saw him twice. He brought the vibe of Dublin street busking into the venues. At a Chicago show, he brought an 11-yo boy from the audience up on stage to play keyboards. At the DC show, for one song he turned off all the speakers, and filled the hall with just his voice and acoustic guitar.
He's better known in Ireland, where he's part of a whole genre of pop musicians that started out as buskers. Such a loss. He could have been singing for another 30 years. CC, JSM
I "gotta marvel" at how stupid and dishonest RCOCEAN II is. The Russian invasion of Ukraine drags on, because Putin knows that he will be deposed if he ends the invasion, and the Ukrainians know that surrendering would be even worse than fighting. The Russians kill, rape, mutilate, and torture civilians in the occupied territories. They also know that if they hang on, Russia's economy will collapse and the war will be over. Trump is now warming to Ukraine because Ukraine is winning, and Trump likes winners.
As for Black Sea trade, it is true that Russia has cut off most ship traffic through Odesa, so Ukraine will have to ship their grain and other exports by train or truck to Romania, which will raise the cost a lot.
Apparently RCO hasn't heard that Ukraine has cut off Russia's trade through the Sea of Azov, sinking or disabling over 200 ships in the last month, mostly small tankers and dry cargo ships, but also the last ferries across the straits and the tugboats needed to bring the disabled ships to port. They're also sunk a lot of ships outside the straits. The difference is of course that Russia doesn't have any alternative routes, unless they truck everything all the way to Georgia or Turkey.
*So if you're a refusenik like my wife and I are, what was your reasoning and when did you make it?*
As soon as Washington state officials started bribing people to take it, I knew it was bullshit.
If the 'vaccine' was what they said it was - and what it was supposed to do - people should've been crawling all over each other to get it.
Instead, they started with bribes, moved on to forcing people at all levels of government to get it and finally firing those who did not.
In fact, it was so bad ... when I-90 was closed due to a massive snow event - and Kittitas County public works employees offered to help out because WSDOT was stretched too thin - Jay Inslee refused their assistance because those employees weren't jabbed.
Am I still pissed about this? Yes. I've been pissed off for six years. And I'll be damned if I'm going to move on just because the people who thugged their way into my life want me to forget about it.
Zelensky told Bret Baier that his country has lost 50,000 military KIA. Proportionally, that would be like us losing a half-million troops. And that doesn't even count civilian KIA. And he only reluctantly gave the figure, for fear of Russian agitprop. Which means the real figure is higher.
Maybe at some point you decide "better Russian than dead." Especially when a huge chunk of your population is already Russian. And Russia's not even communist anymore. It's not that bad to be an ethnic minority in a huge powerful empire. Look at my fellow Scots. CC, JSM
Being ruled by Putin's Russia is no worse than being ruled from London by a parliament in which you have equal representation? Ridiculous. And the "huge" percent of Ukraine that is ethnically Russian is around 1/6th, which doesn't seem that huge to me. The fact is that surrendering to Russia would not stop the killing, or the raping, or the tortures, or the destruction of Ukrainian books. We know that from what's going on in the occupied territories. The fact is that the Ukrainian people are very far from deciding they'd rather be red-brown than dead. They ought to know.
I took the vaccination and two boosters. Why? Well first, my wife had to as a nurse. And there are lots of vaccinations they are required to take regularly and boosters (although COVID is no longer one of them). The other was I used to do international travel with my company and the countries I worked in required the shots (and boosters when I got them).
I have no ill effects. I was neither scared into taking the shots, nor scared of the shots, nor scared of Covid. Could we have left our jobs? Sure. But again, wasn’t afraid, so why?
People that know me here likely read my thoughts on the Diamond Princess. It frankly was a near perfect sample data set. Its only problem was a bias to older age, which for COVID was better. However, the delta strain of COVID was bad in Houston. My wife’s hospital’s morgue’s capacity was exceeded. Could it have been the recommended treatment methods? I can’t say, because the same assholes that recommended them are blocking study of their efficacy. But I do know that deaths declined when they slowed getting patients on ventilators.
My biggest problem is the same people that tut-tut about not being prepared for the next pandemic won’t even discuss the mistakes made during COVID. They won’t, because the majority of the mistakes were poor policy decisions, such as calling it racists to block travel from China or keeping schools closed a year after the pandemic was on the decline. And yeah, the policy around fast tracking a novel vaccine and then mandating its use. And no, it isn’t in the past. We are still dealing with reversing policies created during the pandemic. Businesses are still trying to get employees to return to the office, which is having knock on effects to local retail businesses. Opinions can vary on how much a problem that is, but it isn’t so long ago that it is no longer an issue.
i got Covid shots (the 1st two), for One Reason. My dad was in a nursing home, dying.. And IF i got the shots, i could be with him. So i got the shots. after he died (Thanksgiving eve 2021), i no longer had ANY Reason to get booster shots. I never had ANY reaction to the shots, but only had the 1st 2. I either never got Covid, or got it in Feb 2020 before they called it Covid. My sister and brother inlaw live in Chicago, and they got ALL the boosters.. and got Covid time and time again (last time.. LAST MONTH)
"She had wide shoulders, no waist to speak of, long, slender legs, and she was pretty - and yes, okay, sexy, too, just not in the way I'm used to girls being pretty....or sexy. Along the lines of Sandra Bullock pretty, only clownishly made up."
I thought it was going to copy Zeulika Dobson, see last line
"Zuleika was not strictly beautiful. Her eyes were a trifle large, and their lashes longer than they need have been. An anarchy of small curls were her chevelure, a dark upland of misrule, every hair asserting its rights over a not discreditable brow. For the rest, her features were not at all original. They seemed to have been derived rather from a gallimaufry of familiar models. From Madame la Marquise de Saint-Ouen came the shapely tilt of the nose. The mouth was a mere replica of Cupid's bow, lacquered scarlet and strung with the littlest pearls. No apple tree, no wall of peaches, had not been robbed, nor any Tyrian rose-garden, for the glory of Miss Dobson's cheeks. Her neck was imitation-marble. Her hands and feet were of very mean proportions. She had no waist to speak of."
I didn't take it. The Diamond Princess was a good part of it. The people being driven to panic was another, I thought everybody was turning into pod people. A pallet of toilet paper being wheeled out would be stripped before it made the shelves. Meat counter, stripped. People driving alone, with a double mask. I'd never seen so many people susceptible to fright for something they couldn't see actually happening in front of them, except on the television. I heard the questions and didn't see answers, but saw the questioners being punished and that set off my radar.
I delayed the decision until the CDC data started coming out, and then I looked at the data. This was when they were closing schools and saying that kids needed the jab, when the CDC data was showing an infinitesimal death rate for children. And oh look, zero seasonal flu cases.
I spoke with friends who are in the medical professions, front and second line doctors, and they pretty uniformly said it was killing old people, fat people, and alcoholics. The comorbidity spectrum.
And on top of all that, I looked at the rule-makers. They were pegging my BS meter every time they appeared at the podium. It was impossible for me to believe and buy in to what they pretty obviously knew nothing about. And the pictures of Chinese grabbing people off the street and shoving them into vans, and welding the gates shut on people, while sending the foreign flights off jampacked and cancelling internal flight - all of that strongly suggested that this was an op on an unprecedented scale.
My wife had to get it in order to visit her dying dad in another country, one that didn't make exceptions for little people. My sister, caring for my mom in Assisted Living, wouldn't get it but found a workaround in pretty much weekly testing. She's very stubborn. One of my kids works for a major multinational, and she didn't want to take it for reasons of reproduction, as it turns out, a very wise assessment. She was able to get a religious exemption from a cooperative boss. And the people questioning the reproductive hazards from the jab were being punished.
I suspect RFK Jr. is mostly behind this public flaying of Fauci, having (I think) supplied the diary information to Paul, who has also handled the matter in a focused and pretty competent way - within the limits of his power. I hope it doesn't stop here.
There needs to be a cultural shift away from credentialism and charlatans that hide behind science and do truly evil things, as this campaign was. There need to be severe, career-ending penalties for the personalities that would try to crush legitimate science-based dissent, claiming they should be 'trusted' instead.
The Climate Cults perfected this kind of bullying. But there are also a lot of Kool Aid consumers out there, and they like the flavors, except Orange. They don't like Orange and will drink rat poison rather than acknowlege that some might enjoy it.
…in the Alabama voting map saga Supremes rule leftie judges do not have authority to overrule decisions by the Supremes no matter how much the decision helps Trump. Leftie legal scholars and other experts are dumbfounded…
"people ... won’t even discuss the mistakes made during COVID. They won’t, because the majority of the mistakes were poor policy decisions"
I took out some verbiage that I think was extraneous to the real issue: that this is going to happen again, and the same mistakes - or "mistakes" - are likely to be at least at risk of being made again because too many decision-makers are too unwilling to examine past mistakes for fear that they'll have to pay a price for them.
This is, for me, the sole factor that militates against the Fauci hearings: that quite properly vilifying him for telling the public one thing while privately having evidence of the opposite is going to drive other decision-makers underground and prevent a proper and necessary examination of what was done versus what, in hindsight, should have been done. The airlines do this process right; public policymakers are too worried about being blamed.
Sorry Jamie, I don’t understand this. Taking Fauci to task is going to drive decision makers underground. But letting him skate is going to embolden them to tell the truth? They have had 6 years to come forward and own up to their bad policy decisions. It hasn’t happened. Plus I don’t think what drove this were good faith bad policy decisions.
“There was a time, decades ago, when I considered the possibility that the world would be better run by women.” I’m just pointing out men are just as bad as women at running the world. .
Yes but for the past 100,000 years the data classes are unequal. Few women in charge.
The Kaiser was bad for Germany and the world, Hitler was bad for Germany and the world and included race murder that must be remembered., Merkel was bad for Germany and the EU for many economic and social and business policy reasons.
Moral damage or economic damage. Take your pick. Both can kill 100 million.
In England early and late Elizabeths and Victoria were just like regular guys. They did not hold back. They were not much different.
Gospace needs to read about the incredible success in developing, administering, and delivering the vaccine to 95% of Americans in just 11 months, start to finish. As far as you know, you obviously listened to the wrong people. Even Trump honored Fauci for his work. Our scientists and medical folks are often incredible.
Gospace writes: “We know why people took the covid shots. They were scared into doing so, coerced into doing so, or believed the lies about them being safe AND effective.”
It’s fair to question pandemic policies or even your own decision to get vaccinated. But several of the factual claims here don’t hold up.
The COVID vaccines weren’t based on “minimal testing.” Tens of thousands of volunteers participated in the Phase III trials before authorization, and the vaccines have since been monitored across billions of doses worldwide.
It’s also not true that “natural immunity doesn’t exist.” Public health agencies acknowledged infection-induced immunity. The recommendation to vaccinate after infection was based on evidence that vaccination generally added protection, especially against severe disease as new variants emerged.
The claim that the vaccines caused the variants because they were “leaky” isn’t supported by the evidence. Variants were already arising before mass vaccination, and viruses mutate whenever they spread widely. High levels of transmission, not vaccination itself provide the greatest opportunity for new variants to evolve.
Finally, the Diamond Princess and USS Theodore Roosevelt were informative early case studies, but they don’t overturn the broader evidence. They involved unique populations and occurred before we had larger datasets showing that age, obesity, underlying health conditions, and sheer numbers of infections all contributed substantially to severe illness and death.
There are valid debates about mandates, school closures, and public messaging. But those debates are stronger when they’re based on the total body of evidence rather than a handful of anecdotes or unsupported conclusions.
AI Overview Approximately 15% of American adults have never received a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, though that number varies by specific demographic groups and surveys show a much higher percentage—over 75%—skipping updated seasonal boosters.Total Unvaccinated (Never Vaccinated)General Adult Population: About 15% of adults have never gotten any COVID-19 shot. Older Adults: A 2026 University of Michigan poll found that 15% of adults aged 50 and older report never receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, with the number climbing to 20% for adults aged 50 to 64.
Got any other lies you want to spread Gadfly?
BTW- I know a LOT of younger people with shot cards saying they got it. And only a few of the pharmacy workers who would inject an orange for you were ever found and prosecuted.
Pointing to anecdotal fraud doesn’t invalidate national vaccination estimates. Public health surveys aren’t based solely on vaccination cards, they combine multiple data sources, including population surveys, immunization registries, and statistical weighting.
“I know a lot of people” isn’t a statistical method. Every large dataset contains some fraud or error. The question is whether there’s credible evidence it was widespread enough to invalidate national estimates. So far, there isn’t.
Yes, some people undoubtedly obtained fraudulent vaccination cards. People were prosecuted for doing so. But claiming widespread fraud large enough to overturn national estimates requires evidence, not “I know a lot of people.”
Personal anecdotes are not a substitute for population-level data.
I’m a bit surprised no one has brought up VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) which is frequently cited because it is a public, searchable database that contains reports of illnesses, injuries, and deaths occurring after vaccination.
I’m a helper…
VAERS is a signal-detection system, not a causation database. A report to VAERS means an event occurred after vaccination—not that the vaccine caused it. If VAERS alone proved causation, then every report of a heart attack, cancer diagnosis, or accidental death after vaccination would also have to be counted as vaccine-caused. That’s why every potential signal is investigated using controlled epidemiologic studies before conclusions are drawn.
Ironically, the COVID vaccine skeptics often cite VAERS because it is a government database, yet they frequently dismiss the same government’s follow-up analyses when those analyses fail to support the conclusions they drew from the raw VAERS reports. The scientific process relies on both steps: identifying potential signals and rigorously testing whether those signals represent real causal relationships.
“2016 and 2024 must have hit you hard. You came **THIS** close! Better luck next time (not).” I am an alwaysTrumper. I never voted for any Clinton or Harris or Biden.
I got the first two shots because my parents were very old and I didn’t want to do anything to risk their health. I had slight side effects, but no big thing. I also (apparently) got Covid later on. Our family quite enjoyed the forced downtime. My sons and I lifted weights and all got really strong (well, they got really strong, I got a lot stronger…). The hysteria was ridiculous on both sides. I saw what was happening in China early on and stocked up massively at Costco before the panic shopping set in, so we had a freezer full of food and a cupboard full of toilet paper and bourbon.
We have definite evidence from Fauci's Diary that he lied about what he really thought about Covid's origin and its severity. Its origin was in a lab partially funded by the NIH department Fauci headed. It was like flu, except it hardly affected young children. Flu is very dangerous for the sick elderly and so was Covid. That was reality and Fauci knew it and knew that was no reason for masking, social distancing, closing schools and businesses, mandating an ineffective, untested vaccine. But Fauci lied and based on his lies the government imposed policies. Those policies we now know were far, far, far more devastating than the disease. Children's development and education was damaged; small businesses were destroyed; the vote was ruined; individuals lost jobs, houses, reputations. And then, Fauci made money on his lies, money he still has. And this man who was the great expert, responsible for public policy now won't say he knows what color the carpet in front of him is. And we can't get justice by anything we do to him. The sad fact is if we pegged him down on an anthill in the Arizona sun, it wouldn't do any good. It wouldn't establish justice. Fauci's just one man with one life, and that, mostly lived. How can anything we do to him repair what he did to us? We can only take his money and his reputation and put him in jail. This would be useful because it would make him a warning to future experts who find themselves thinking about lying on a life and death issue. But what happened was like a war, Fauci's War on the People, and you can't get justice for a war, you just go on living afterward, fixing things as you can. And learn the lesson. Experts can lie. A government of "experts" can war on its own people and be smug about it.
Victoria started out strong, but Albert's death broke her. She wasn't really running things for about half her reign. She accelerated Britain's slide into figurehead monarchy.
It's too bad the BBC Victoria series stopped. Would have been great to see this dramatized. Jenna Coleman is 40 now; maybe she can revisit the role. Maybe do a season every 10 years. CC, JSM
Jack @jackunheard One of my Democrat friends just texted me:
"Bro wtf is happening in Spain? Where the hell are the cops?"
I'm speechless...
I'm convinced Democrat voters had no idea that this is exactly what our border looked like for 4 years under Biden.
The Left and the media did a flawless job covering it up and sugar-coating it. 5:31 PM · Jul 30, 2026 https://x.com/jackunheard/status/2082942073540325579?s=20
@jimmyfailla · 3h Spain makes history as the first people to WIN the World Cup and LOSE their country in the same month. https://x.com/jimmyfailla/status/2082888458087883239?s=20
Gee, Gadfly, that’s a nice fairy tale. In the real world it takes 18 to 24 months minimum to get a **new** vaccine especially when a **novel virus** is the target. When one considers that SARS-Covid-19 vaccine was the first MRNA vaccine approved for use in humans that 9-month rapid development phase is amazing.
Or perhaps it is unbelievable. Literally **impossible** one might conclude. This set of strange facts surrounding the origin of the **vaccine** (don’t forget the CDC-NIH experts changed the definition of the word vaccine in order to call this one) together with the evidence at hand (the cruise ship mentioned above) and the fact my wife and I both knew the SOP for public health pandemic response and recognized that the procedures employed had chucked out the established playbook.
We rejected the shots because they were recommended by the same idiots who were obviously lying about the virus and the response to it. All of this I shared here contemporaneously. I’m on my third day of reviewing all the C-19 posts here in early 2020 and wow, there are a lot.
"Sorry Jamie, I don’t understand this. Taking Fauci to task is going to drive decision makers underground. But letting him skate is going to embolden them to tell the truth?"
Yeah, I stopped writing too soon, for a change... When I said this possible result was the only thing that militates against the hearings for me, I should have added that - like Eva Marie - at least in the case of Fauci, I don't think the "mistakes" of COVID policy were good-faith mistakes brought on by the fog of pandemic.(This is what IEE keeps trying to convince everyone of, to the extent that he is trying to convince anyone of anything - when he's not trying to obfuscate what's being argued altogether.) I think Fauci's "mistakes" were by and large from one of two motivations: his desire for celebrity, and his desire to help Trump ... fail to achieve reelection.
I do think others made good-faith mistakes, largely basing them on Fauci's public pronouncements. These are the people who, seeing Fauci raked over the coals, could be driven underground by the hearings.
The best way to do a - you should pardon the word - postmortem on a major disaster is the way the airlines do it, it seems to me - but the difference is that when a plane crash happens, it's (so far) not because of nationwide public policy recommendations or decisions. So I don't suppose it could be done their way, even though I would very much like to see future pandemics *actually* follow the science - of epidemiology, for instance.
I didn't mean to imply that I wish the hearings didn't happen; I absolutely think that, first, Fauci needs to be held to account, and second, we do need a postmortem so we have *any* chance of not handling the next pandemic this way. I was only speculating on one possible negative effect of them.
I took the Moderna because a woman I hang with, ten years older than me (I was 65, she was 75) sorta talked me into it. That was the two-shot one. No side effects. No Covid. My TDS brother, who was 59 at the time, got the other shot, had Covid two or three times, just a flu results, and still got boosters.
Hopefully the exposure of Fauci’s egregious attack on our way of life will inspire more resistance among the peeps the next time something like this happens. Or the next time any such government mandate tries to assert itself, for that matter. It took the leadership of one tiny man to wreck a significant portion of us. Let us never forget.
Re Rand Paul leading the charge against Fauci. He’s a doctor so he easily recognized a bs artist in his field. Also, he was first off the block, as I recall, loudly declaring schools should not be closed nor kids be required to wear masks because of the long term damage to kids’ development. His messages should have been heeded in 2020.
My wife and I have never had Covid. She treated patients before vaccination and I knew people who got it. Our family made it through the pandemic without contracting it. Just this year, one of my daughters got a positive test, and we were mostly surprised anyone still tested for it.
Jamie, I appreciate your point and don’t particularly disagree with the idea you have for handling a retrospective.
I do want to help you know the airlines don’t have the process you claim. I think you maybe thinking the NTSB. They avoid jumping to any conclusions by not finalizing a report until a year after an event investigation. And while they will call something pilot error, if that is what comes out in the investigation; they spend a good deal of time looking for barriers (some call these holes in the Swiss cheese model) that were missing and too weak to prevent pilot error.
Moreover, military aviation has a safety board that is an even closer model. I didn’t serve, so I’m not going to try to cover the differences from the NTSB. However, I concur an investigation like that would be satisfying to me. Indeed, the concept in my head while writing my earlier statements are the investigations post Challenger and Columbia shuttle disasters.
Trump reminded the world that Sens Cornyn and Tillis, who refuse to support acting AG Todd Blanche, voted to confirm Merrick Garland, arguably the worst the worst AG in my lifetime.
The biggest ""COVID era" takeaways for me are: (1) dissenting opinions must be allowed to be publicly expressed without any reprisals, and (2) the data from countries and states that choose alternative policies should be openly compared as the epidemic progresses.
The following countries did not impose severe shutdown policies: Sweden, Taiwan, Uruguay, Iceland. Nor to various degrees, did the following states in the U.S.: Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming. If people are able to see comparable statistics, they can at least make rational choices personal choices on measures to follow and possible even where they want to stay as the epidemic progresses.
In this regard, one of the most disturbing things that I recall is how pretty much the entire medical profession misrepresented the statistics themselves with regard to "died with COVID"" as opposed to "died from COVID", making data comparisons invalid. This and other such corruptions of medical objectivity have left me with very little confidence in the entire profession.
Planetgeo, good suggestions. For #1 I we have no elected representatives who will stand up for Public Debate, not when the shit hits the fan, which was sadly revealed when even doctors were censored for questioning the Public Health authorities.
I’m planning to use the term “Fauci” as a verb at least once a week here in August. As in “to Fauci”. Not sure exactly how yet but it’s a target rich environment.
@Planetgeo: Open debate is valuable, and comparing policies across jurisdictions is exactly what public health researchers have done. The difficulty is that comparing countries or states isn’t as simple as lining up case or death counts. Age distribution, population density, prior immunity, healthcare capacity, testing rates, reporting practices, and the timing of infection waves all influence outcomes.
The claim that the medical profession broadly misrepresented “died with COVID” versus “died from COVID” also overstates the evidence. Death certificates identify an underlying cause of death and contributing conditions using longstanding international standards. While individual cases were sometimes misclassified as happens with many diseases, multiple independent analyses of excess mortality found that official COVID death counts were more likely to underestimate, not overestimate, the pandemic’s death toll.
It’s reasonable to criticize specific policies or communications. It’s much harder to support the claim that an entire profession deliberately corrupted the data when the same overall patterns were independently observed across dozens of countries using different health systems and statistical agencies.
The distinction between dying with COVID and dying from COVID was recognized throughout the pandemic. Death certificates distinguish the underlying cause of death from contributing conditions using long-established international standards. COVID was listed as the underlying cause only when it initiated the chain of events leading to death; in other cases it could be listed as a contributing condition.
Were there occasional coding errors? Certainly, as with every cause of death. But there is no credible evidence that the medical profession broadly or systematically mislabeled deaths. In fact, analyses of excess mortality from multiple countries consistently found that the pandemic caused at least as many and often more deaths than were captured by official COVID death counts.
Rejecting that body of evidence requires more than asserting, “It’s a lie.”
My brother was in a long term care facility before covid hit. Why is unimportant. His heart stopped 4 times while he was there, and each time someone saw him drop to the floor and it was successfully restarted. The fifth time it stopped was while during the covidiocy where for the last year of his life he couldn't get visitors, and especially not his unvaxxed brother. And no one noticed until too late. After his death he tested positive for the virus. Official cause of death on certificate- covid. So tell me that lie again about how deaths with covid were distinguished from deaths from covid using long established standards.
And this popped up on my X feed today: https://x.com/TrumpGirlLove/status/2083041359896694928 Again- how many other doctors did this with more discretion and weren't uncovered?
IEE said: “ Calling it “an absolute lie” isn’t evidence.”
When a gunshot wound causes death but is labeled “died from Covid” is a good indicator. When hospitals* are financially rewarded for mislabeling death from Covid that is a good indicator.
* Info from a hospital administrator I know.
Not to repeat myself IEE, but you are not telling the truth.
they HAD TO pretend that it was Deadly, and there was no alternative treatment, so that they could push through the "vaccine" they had to change the deffinition of the word vaccine to call it a "vaccine"
We ended up with a "vaccine" that didn't stop you from getting it didn't stop you from spreading it didn't stop it from killing you..
BUT; the "vaccine" DID take a disease with a mortality less than 1%.. and turn it into a disease with a mortality less than 1% AND it made BILLIONS for big pharma AND it justified mailin voting so WIN WIN
The old “my friend who works at a hospital” source makes an appearance.
Gunshot victims weren’t routinely counted as COVID deaths simply because they tested positive. Death certificates distinguish the underlying cause of death from contributing conditions, and unusual cases that made headlines were exceptions—not the rule.
As for hospitals being “paid to label deaths as COVID,” they were reimbursed for treating patients with COVID because those cases often required more complex and expensive care—not for inventing diagnoses. If hospitals were broadly falsifying death certificates for profit, we’d expect evidence from audits, prosecutors, or whistleblowers. After years of investigations, that evidence still hasn’t materialized.
Anecdotes can be interesting. They’re not a substitute for evidence.
The difference between "death from covid" and "death from heart stopping due to injury sustained during assault" is the difference between the person who put my brother in the long term facility being sentenced for assault and being sentenced for homicide.
Here’s a contemporary article on recording Covid deaths: https://www.westernjournal.com/people-reportedly-died-gunshot-wounds-look-deaths-classified/
Here’s another article from national law review explaining reasons why COVID deaths were over and under reported. Note the case of a family wanting COVID as cause of death to obtain $9000 FEMA funds for burial. https://natlawreview.com/article/are-covid-19-death-certificates-reliable
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We know why people took the covid shots. They were scared into doing so, coerced into doing so, or believed the lies about them being safe AND effective. There are some of us in Ann's commentariat who didn't. Like, for example, me. I can give my reasons why- and I'm interested in the reasoning of others.
1. Before covid there were multiple- as in many- attempts to make a coronavirus vaccine for animals and/or humans. The failure rate was >100%. How is that possible? Some of the avian attempts made the problem worse which I think justifies the >100% label.
2. Before covid there had been multiple attempts to use mRNA to cure many things, but not, AFAIK, to make a vaccine. Failure rate- 100%.
3. Two items with a 100% failure rate suddenly advertised as a complete success- with minimal testing. With no actual time to test efficacy or side effects, and we're told it's the greatest thing since sliced bread, and we should all take it! (OR ELSE!) The "OR ELSE!" was added later.
I couldn't buy that. It ranked right up there as a something that would likely be a total fabrication- and it was. Later events simply cemented that there was no good reason to take it. The decision to never take it was already made.
The Diamond Princess and the USS Theodore Roosevelt debacle. The Diamond Princess (Feb 2020) showed that sick elderly people were more likely die from it. At 60+ my wife and I were, supposedly, just from age, in the high risk group. The 14 (or so) that died were all into their 70s, and all, reportedly, not in good health. My wife and I were in good health. The Theodore Roosevelt debacle was in MAR/APR 2020, with their one death being an overweight CPO. I've seen pics of the man, he did not meet Navy height/weight standards. Did he have any other risk factors? Someone knows, the general public doesn't. I kept track as well as I could of other military deaths. IIRC, no other active duty deaths. And the reserve/NG component deaths if you could find a pic of the decedent showed someone who didn't meet height/weight standards. Back to the ship- everyone was tested. Symptomatic or not. A whole lot of the people who tested had covid- according to the test, with no symptoms, and never developed any. Conclusion- not nearly as deadly as advertised- especially if you're in shape and in the age group 18-45- the vast majority of service personnel.
Based on those numbers, no reason to take the shot if you're otherwise healthy- which my wife and I were.
The real vaccine rollout started in Dec 2020 after these events. By that time many people had already had the disease. So what lie did they press next? NATURAL IMMUNITY DOESN'T EXIST! You had to get the shot to be immune. And- there were people who believed that lie. The variants started after the vaccine rollout. Because, as Karl Denninger, Alex Berenson, and many others pointed out- the vaccine was "leaky". It didn't confer total immunity, if any at all, and drove viral mutation. AS I said before that wasn't part of my decision making process, my decision was made much earlier.
So if you're a refusenik like my wife and I are, what was your reasoning and when did you make it?
It's pretty dark now at 5 AM. Seasons change.
What I read about the The Diamond Princess was enough for me to conclude that I didn't want to be a lab rat. This was probably in March.
The Russia-Ukrainian war drags on and on. Russia has now - through missile strikes - more or less shut down all of the Ukraine's Black sea ports. This will deal a massive blow to the Ukraine's economy. 2/3 of their exports go by sea through the Black Sea.
No doubt the EU will loan them the money to keep going, since the main point is to "kill ruskiees".
If in 2022, you'd told me Ukraine/Russia war would be still be going on in 2026 with no end in sight, I'd have called you crazy. But here we are. You gotta marvel at how stupid the average Ukrainian is. Evidently they'll all die for absolutey nothing and die happy.
Talking to people at work and my relatives and in-laws shows the massive difference between plugged in polticos like myself and the average person. I asked them what they thought about Lindsey graham's death and funeral and got responses which can be summarized as "Who is Lindsey graham?" or "I didn't know he was dead".
Glen Hansard, from The Commitments and Once, died yesterday in a motorcycle accident. Only 56. I saw him twice. He brought the vibe of Dublin street busking into the venues. At a Chicago show, he brought an 11-yo boy from the audience up on stage to play keyboards. At the DC show, for one song he turned off all the speakers, and filled the hall with just his voice and acoustic guitar.
He's better known in Ireland, where he's part of a whole genre of pop musicians that started out as buskers. Such a loss. He could have been singing for another 30 years. CC, JSM
I "gotta marvel" at how stupid and dishonest RCOCEAN II is. The Russian invasion of Ukraine drags on, because Putin knows that he will be deposed if he ends the invasion, and the Ukrainians know that surrendering would be even worse than fighting. The Russians kill, rape, mutilate, and torture civilians in the occupied territories. They also know that if they hang on, Russia's economy will collapse and the war will be over. Trump is now warming to Ukraine because Ukraine is winning, and Trump likes winners.
As for Black Sea trade, it is true that Russia has cut off most ship traffic through Odesa, so Ukraine will have to ship their grain and other exports by train or truck to Romania, which will raise the cost a lot.
Apparently RCO hasn't heard that Ukraine has cut off Russia's trade through the Sea of Azov, sinking or disabling over 200 ships in the last month, mostly small tankers and dry cargo ships, but also the last ferries across the straits and the tugboats needed to bring the disabled ships to port. They're also sunk a lot of ships outside the straits. The difference is of course that Russia doesn't have any alternative routes, unless they truck everything all the way to Georgia or Turkey.
*So if you're a refusenik like my wife and I are, what was your reasoning and when did you make it?*
As soon as Washington state officials started bribing people to take it, I knew it was bullshit.
If the 'vaccine' was what they said it was - and what it was supposed to do - people should've been crawling all over each other to get it.
Instead, they started with bribes, moved on to forcing people at all levels of government to get it and finally firing those who did not.
In fact, it was so bad ... when I-90 was closed due to a massive snow event - and Kittitas County public works employees offered to help out because WSDOT was stretched too thin - Jay Inslee refused their assistance because those employees weren't jabbed.
Am I still pissed about this? Yes. I've been pissed off for six years. And I'll be damned if I'm going to move on just because the people who thugged their way into my life want me to forget about it.
Zelensky told Bret Baier that his country has lost 50,000 military KIA. Proportionally, that would be like us losing a half-million troops. And that doesn't even count civilian KIA. And he only reluctantly gave the figure, for fear of Russian agitprop. Which means the real figure is higher.
Maybe at some point you decide "better Russian than dead." Especially when a huge chunk of your population is already Russian. And Russia's not even communist anymore. It's not that bad to be an ethnic minority in a huge powerful empire. Look at my fellow Scots. CC, JSM
I wonder what frequently poster Buwaya thinks about the current invasion of Spain?
frequent poster
Being ruled by Putin's Russia is no worse than being ruled from London by a parliament in which you have equal representation? Ridiculous. And the "huge" percent of Ukraine that is ethnically Russian is around 1/6th, which doesn't seem that huge to me. The fact is that surrendering to Russia would not stop the killing, or the raping, or the tortures, or the destruction of Ukrainian books. We know that from what's going on in the occupied territories. The fact is that the Ukrainian people are very far from deciding they'd rather be red-brown than dead. They ought to know.
I took the vaccination and two boosters. Why? Well first, my wife had to as a nurse. And there are lots of vaccinations they are required to take regularly and boosters (although COVID is no longer one of them). The other was I used to do international travel with my company and the countries I worked in required the shots (and boosters when I got them).
I have no ill effects. I was neither scared into taking the shots, nor scared of the shots, nor scared of Covid. Could we have left our jobs? Sure. But again, wasn’t afraid, so why?
People that know me here likely read my thoughts on the Diamond Princess. It frankly was a near perfect sample data set. Its only problem was a bias to older age, which for COVID was better. However, the delta strain of COVID was bad in Houston. My wife’s hospital’s morgue’s capacity was exceeded. Could it have been the recommended treatment methods? I can’t say, because the same assholes that recommended them are blocking study of their efficacy. But I do know that deaths declined when they slowed getting patients on ventilators.
My biggest problem is the same people that tut-tut about not being prepared for the next pandemic won’t even discuss the mistakes made during COVID. They won’t, because the majority of the mistakes were poor policy decisions, such as calling it racists to block travel from China or keeping schools closed a year after the pandemic was on the decline. And yeah, the policy around fast tracking a novel vaccine and then mandating its use. And no, it isn’t in the past. We are still dealing with reversing policies created during the pandemic. Businesses are still trying to get employees to return to the office, which is having knock on effects to local retail businesses. Opinions can vary on how much a problem that is, but it isn’t so long ago that it is no longer an issue.
so, Wisco people?
Who's going to be your new Governor?
let us iowans know
i got Covid shots (the 1st two), for One Reason.
My dad was in a nursing home, dying..
And IF i got the shots, i could be with him. So i got the shots.
after he died (Thanksgiving eve 2021), i no longer had ANY Reason to get booster shots.
I never had ANY reaction to the shots, but only had the 1st 2.
I either never got Covid, or got it in Feb 2020 before they called it Covid.
My sister and brother inlaw live in Chicago, and they got ALL the boosters.. and got Covid time and time again (last time.. LAST MONTH)
Ukraine . . . Russia . . . that’s what happens when you let men run countries.
Whatever deal Trump offered Putin in Alaska, Putin should have grabbed it. Hindsight is 20/20.
Germany… that’s what happens when you let women run a country.
Novel:
"She had wide shoulders, no waist to speak of, long, slender legs, and she was pretty - and yes, okay, sexy, too, just not in the way I'm used to girls being pretty....or sexy. Along the lines of Sandra Bullock pretty, only clownishly made up."
I thought it was going to copy Zeulika Dobson, see last line
"Zuleika was not strictly beautiful. Her eyes were a trifle large, and their lashes longer than they need have been. An anarchy of small curls were her chevelure, a dark upland of misrule, every hair asserting its rights over a not discreditable brow. For the rest, her features were not at all original. They seemed to have been derived rather from a gallimaufry of familiar models. From Madame la Marquise de Saint-Ouen came the shapely tilt of the nose. The mouth was a mere replica of Cupid's bow, lacquered scarlet and strung with the littlest pearls. No apple tree, no wall of peaches, had not been robbed, nor any Tyrian rose-garden, for the glory of Miss Dobson's cheeks. Her neck was imitation-marble. Her hands and feet were of very mean proportions. She had no waist to speak of."
Hitler was a guy, Iman.
I didn't take it. The Diamond Princess was a good part of it. The people being driven to panic was another, I thought everybody was turning into pod people. A pallet of toilet paper being wheeled out would be stripped before it made the shelves. Meat counter, stripped. People driving alone, with a double mask. I'd never seen so many people susceptible to fright for something they couldn't see actually happening in front of them, except on the television. I heard the questions and didn't see answers, but saw the questioners being punished and that set off my radar.
I delayed the decision until the CDC data started coming out, and then I looked at the data. This was when they were closing schools and saying that kids needed the jab, when the CDC data was showing an infinitesimal death rate for children. And oh look, zero seasonal flu cases.
I spoke with friends who are in the medical professions, front and second line doctors, and they pretty uniformly said it was killing old people, fat people, and alcoholics. The comorbidity spectrum.
And on top of all that, I looked at the rule-makers. They were pegging my BS meter every time they appeared at the podium. It was impossible for me to believe and buy in to what they pretty obviously knew nothing about. And the pictures of Chinese grabbing people off the street and shoving them into vans, and welding the gates shut on people, while sending the foreign flights off jampacked and cancelling internal flight - all of that strongly suggested that this was an op on an unprecedented scale.
My wife had to get it in order to visit her dying dad in another country, one that didn't make exceptions for little people. My sister, caring for my mom in Assisted Living, wouldn't get it but found a workaround in pretty much weekly testing. She's very stubborn. One of my kids works for a major multinational, and she didn't want to take it for reasons of reproduction, as it turns out, a very wise assessment. She was able to get a religious exemption from a cooperative boss. And the people questioning the reproductive hazards from the jab were being punished.
I suspect RFK Jr. is mostly behind this public flaying of Fauci, having (I think) supplied the diary information to Paul, who has also handled the matter in a focused and pretty competent way - within the limits of his power. I hope it doesn't stop here.
There needs to be a cultural shift away from credentialism and charlatans that hide behind science and do truly evil things, as this campaign was. There need to be severe, career-ending penalties for the personalities that would try to crush legitimate science-based dissent, claiming they should be 'trusted' instead.
The Climate Cults perfected this kind of bullying. But there are also a lot of Kool Aid consumers out there, and they like the flavors, except Orange. They don't like Orange and will drink rat poison rather than acknowlege that some might enjoy it.
Trump says he is ‘not sure’ about letting Ukraine build Patriot missiles ~ The Guardian
The coach flew in Tuesday and called an audible at the line of scrimmage and the Water Boy clicked his heels and ran in and changed the play.
…in the Alabama voting map saga Supremes rule leftie judges do not have authority to overrule decisions by the Supremes no matter how much the decision helps Trump. Leftie legal scholars and other experts are dumbfounded…
“ Hitler was a guy, Iman.”
Yet Merkel was a girl.
"people ... won’t even discuss the mistakes made during COVID. They won’t, because the majority of the mistakes were poor policy decisions"
I took out some verbiage that I think was extraneous to the real issue: that this is going to happen again, and the same mistakes - or "mistakes" - are likely to be at least at risk of being made again because too many decision-makers are too unwilling to examine past mistakes for fear that they'll have to pay a price for them.
This is, for me, the sole factor that militates against the Fauci hearings: that quite properly vilifying him for telling the public one thing while privately having evidence of the opposite is going to drive other decision-makers underground and prevent a proper and necessary examination of what was done versus what, in hindsight, should have been done. The airlines do this process right; public policymakers are too worried about being blamed.
“Hitler was a guy, Iman.”
“Yet Merkel was a girl”
Gee, I wonder which one did more damage.
Sorry Jamie, I don’t understand this. Taking Fauci to task is going to drive decision makers underground. But letting him skate is going to embolden them to tell the truth? They have had 6 years to come forward and own up to their bad policy decisions. It hasn’t happened.
Plus I don’t think what drove this were good faith bad policy decisions.
Both did equal damage to the soul of Germany.
Maybe there should be fewer decisions for decision-makers and more for regular people?
“Both did equal damage to the soul of Germany.”
Not even close.
“ Both did equal damage to the soul of Germany.”
One in the sin of building up and one in the sin of tearing down.
There was a time, decades ago, when I considered the possibility that the world would be better run by women.
Boy, did that ship sail.
“There was a time, decades ago, when I considered the possibility that the world would be better run by women.”
I’m just pointing out men are just as bad as women at running the world. .
I opted out of the vaccine 1) because I already had Covid, and 2) I had retired before the vaccine was available and I wasn’t compelled to receive it.
"I’m just pointing out men are just as bad as women at running the world. "
As leaders, sure.
But I believe one of biggest contemporary problems are the AWFLs.
Yes but for the past 100,000 years the data classes are unequal. Few women in charge.
The Kaiser was bad for Germany and the world, Hitler was bad for Germany and the world and included race murder that must be remembered., Merkel was bad for Germany and the EU for many economic and social and business policy reasons.
Moral damage or economic damage. Take your pick. Both can kill 100 million.
In England early and late Elizabeths and Victoria were just like regular guys. They did not hold back. They were not much different.
Video: He stopped to take pictures and zoned out.
Post title: 'Bro has no idea there’s a bear right behind him.'
or... No bear is getting between me and my socials.
Gospace needs to read about the incredible success in developing, administering, and delivering the vaccine to 95% of Americans in just 11 months, start to finish. As far as you know, you obviously listened to the wrong people. Even Trump honored Fauci for his work. Our scientists and medical folks are often incredible.
Gospace writes: “We know why people took the covid shots. They were scared into doing so, coerced into doing so, or believed the lies about them being safe AND effective.”
It’s fair to question pandemic policies or even your own decision to get vaccinated. But several of the factual claims here don’t hold up.
The COVID vaccines weren’t based on “minimal testing.” Tens of thousands of volunteers participated in the Phase III trials before authorization, and the vaccines have since been monitored across billions of doses worldwide.
It’s also not true that “natural immunity doesn’t exist.” Public health agencies acknowledged infection-induced immunity. The recommendation to vaccinate after infection was based on evidence that vaccination generally added protection, especially against severe disease as new variants emerged.
The claim that the vaccines caused the variants because they were “leaky” isn’t supported by the evidence. Variants were already arising before mass vaccination, and viruses mutate whenever they spread widely. High levels of transmission, not vaccination itself provide the greatest opportunity for new variants to evolve.
Finally, the Diamond Princess and USS Theodore Roosevelt were informative early case studies, but they don’t overturn the broader evidence. They involved unique populations and occurred before we had larger datasets showing that age, obesity, underlying health conditions, and sheer numbers of infections all contributed substantially to severe illness and death.
There are valid debates about mandates, school closures, and public messaging. But those debates are stronger when they’re based on the total body of evidence rather than a handful of anecdotes or unsupported conclusions.
AI Overview Approximately 15% of American adults have never received a single dose of a COVID-19 vaccine, though that number varies by specific demographic groups and surveys show a much higher percentage—over 75%—skipping updated seasonal boosters.Total Unvaccinated (Never Vaccinated)General Adult Population: About 15% of adults have never gotten any COVID-19 shot. Older Adults: A 2026 University of Michigan poll found that 15% of adults aged 50 and older report never receiving a COVID-19 vaccine, with the number climbing to 20% for adults aged 50 to 64.
Got any other lies you want to spread Gadfly?
BTW- I know a LOT of younger people with shot cards saying they got it. And only a few of the pharmacy workers who would inject an orange for you were ever found and prosecuted.
Eva Marie writes; "Ukraine . . . Russia . . . that’s what happens when you let men run countries."
It doesn't help when there's a clown running one of the superpowers and a small pariah state controlling its foreign policy.
“Eva Marie said...
Ukraine . . . Russia . . . that’s what happens when you let men run countries.”
2016 and 2024 must have hit you hard. You came **THIS** close! Better luck next time (not).
Pointing to anecdotal fraud doesn’t invalidate national vaccination estimates. Public health surveys aren’t based solely on vaccination cards, they combine multiple data sources, including population surveys, immunization registries, and statistical weighting.
“I know a lot of people” isn’t a statistical method. Every large dataset contains some fraud or error. The question is whether there’s credible evidence it was widespread enough to invalidate national estimates. So far, there isn’t.
Yes, some people undoubtedly obtained fraudulent vaccination cards. People were prosecuted for doing so. But claiming widespread fraud large enough to overturn national estimates requires evidence, not “I know a lot of people.”
Personal anecdotes are not a substitute for population-level data.
“Gee, I wonder which one did more damage.”
It is yet to be determined.
I’m a bit surprised no one has brought up VAERS (the Vaccine Adverse Event Reporting System) which is frequently cited because it is a public, searchable database that contains reports of illnesses, injuries, and deaths occurring after vaccination.
I’m a helper…
VAERS is a signal-detection system, not a causation database. A report to VAERS means an event occurred after vaccination—not that the vaccine caused it. If VAERS alone proved causation, then every report of a heart attack, cancer diagnosis, or accidental death after vaccination would also have to be counted as vaccine-caused. That’s why every potential signal is investigated using controlled epidemiologic studies before conclusions are drawn.
Ironically, the COVID vaccine skeptics often cite VAERS because it is a government database, yet they frequently dismiss the same government’s follow-up analyses when those analyses fail to support the conclusions they drew from the raw VAERS reports. The scientific process relies on both steps: identifying potential signals and rigorously testing whether those signals represent real causal relationships.
“2016 and 2024 must have hit you hard. You came **THIS** close! Better luck next time (not).”
I am an alwaysTrumper. I never voted for any Clinton or Harris or Biden.
That’s certainly consistent. Whether it’s persuasive is a separate question.
I got the first two shots because my parents were very old and I didn’t want to do anything to risk their health. I had slight side effects, but no big thing. I also (apparently) got Covid later on. Our family quite enjoyed the forced downtime. My sons and I lifted weights and all got really strong (well, they got really strong, I got a lot stronger…). The hysteria was ridiculous on both sides. I saw what was happening in China early on and stocked up massively at Costco before the panic shopping set in, so we had a freezer full of food and a cupboard full of toilet paper and bourbon.
The submarine has withdrawn. A flotilla of ducks navigates freely.
We have definite evidence from Fauci's Diary that he lied about what he really thought about Covid's origin and its severity. Its origin was in a lab partially funded by the NIH department Fauci headed. It was like flu, except it hardly affected young children. Flu is very dangerous for the sick elderly and so was Covid. That was reality and Fauci knew it and knew that was no reason for masking, social distancing, closing schools and businesses, mandating an ineffective, untested vaccine. But Fauci lied and based on his lies the government imposed policies. Those policies we now know were far, far, far more devastating than the disease. Children's development and education was damaged; small businesses were destroyed; the vote was ruined; individuals lost jobs, houses, reputations. And then, Fauci made money on his lies, money he still has. And this man who was the great expert, responsible for public policy now won't say he knows what color the carpet in front of him is.
And we can't get justice by anything we do to him. The sad fact is if we pegged him down on an anthill in the Arizona sun, it wouldn't do any good. It wouldn't establish justice. Fauci's just one man with one life, and that, mostly lived. How can anything we do to him repair what he did to us? We can only take his money and his reputation and put him in jail. This would be useful because it would make him a warning to future experts who find themselves thinking about lying on a life and death issue. But what happened was like a war, Fauci's War on the People, and you can't get justice for a war, you just go on living afterward, fixing things as you can.
And learn the lesson. Experts can lie. A government of "experts" can war on its own people and be smug about it.
Hamas supporters tried to protest at a Jerry Seinfeld comedy show...this is what happened...
Kosher
@koshercockney
Omg. Jerry Seinfeld is a LEGEND.
“Pro-Palestine” nut jobs interrupted his show, take a listen to his response. I can’t stop laughing.
“You just gave money to a Jew. That cannot be a good plan for you”
https://x.com/koshercockney/status/2082056580455927861?s=20
Fly: "Our scientists and medical folks are often incredible."
Yes. Literally. CC, JSM
"A freezer full of food and a cupboard full of toilet paper and bourbon" would make a great masthead motto. CC, JSM
Victoria started out strong, but Albert's death broke her. She wasn't really running things for about half her reign. She accelerated Britain's slide into figurehead monarchy.
It's too bad the BBC Victoria series stopped. Would have been great to see this dramatized. Jenna Coleman is 40 now; maybe she can revisit the role. Maybe do a season every 10 years. CC, JSM
Jack
@jackunheard
One of my Democrat friends just texted me:
"Bro wtf is happening in Spain? Where the hell are the cops?"
I'm speechless...
I'm convinced Democrat voters had no idea that this is exactly what our border looked like for 4 years under Biden.
The Left and the media did a flawless job covering it up and sugar-coating it.
5:31 PM · Jul 30, 2026
https://x.com/jackunheard/status/2082942073540325579?s=20
Jimmy Failla
@jimmyfailla
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3h
Spain makes history as the first people to WIN the World Cup and LOSE their country in the same month.
https://x.com/jimmyfailla/status/2082888458087883239?s=20
C3
@C_3C_3
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6h
Notice what how the Left labels things.
Europeans are Colonizers.
But…
Africans are Migrants.
Middle Easterners are Refugees.
Central Americans are Immigrants.
All by design…
https://x.com/C_3C_3/status/2083012468171833525?s=20
Gee, Gadfly, that’s a nice fairy tale. In the real world it takes 18 to 24 months minimum to get a **new** vaccine especially when a **novel virus** is the target. When one considers that SARS-Covid-19 vaccine was the first MRNA vaccine approved for use in humans that 9-month rapid development phase is amazing.
Or perhaps it is unbelievable. Literally **impossible** one might conclude. This set of strange facts surrounding the origin of the **vaccine** (don’t forget the CDC-NIH experts changed the definition of the word vaccine in order to call this one) together with the evidence at hand (the cruise ship mentioned above) and the fact my wife and I both knew the SOP for public health pandemic response and recognized that the procedures employed had chucked out the established playbook.
We rejected the shots because they were recommended by the same idiots who were obviously lying about the virus and the response to it. All of this I shared here contemporaneously. I’m on my third day of reviewing all the C-19 posts here in early 2020 and wow, there are a lot.
"Sorry Jamie, I don’t understand this. Taking Fauci to task is going to drive decision makers underground. But letting him skate is going to embolden them to tell the truth?"
Yeah, I stopped writing too soon, for a change... When I said this possible result was the only thing that militates against the hearings for me, I should have added that - like Eva Marie - at least in the case of Fauci, I don't think the "mistakes" of COVID policy were good-faith mistakes brought on by the fog of pandemic.(This is what IEE keeps trying to convince everyone of, to the extent that he is trying to convince anyone of anything - when he's not trying to obfuscate what's being argued altogether.) I think Fauci's "mistakes" were by and large from one of two motivations: his desire for celebrity, and his desire to help Trump ... fail to achieve reelection.
I do think others made good-faith mistakes, largely basing them on Fauci's public pronouncements. These are the people who, seeing Fauci raked over the coals, could be driven underground by the hearings.
The best way to do a - you should pardon the word - postmortem on a major disaster is the way the airlines do it, it seems to me - but the difference is that when a plane crash happens, it's (so far) not because of nationwide public policy recommendations or decisions. So I don't suppose it could be done their way, even though I would very much like to see future pandemics *actually* follow the science - of epidemiology, for instance.
I didn't mean to imply that I wish the hearings didn't happen; I absolutely think that, first, Fauci needs to be held to account, and second, we do need a postmortem so we have *any* chance of not handling the next pandemic this way. I was only speculating on one possible negative effect of them.
I took the Moderna because a woman I hang with, ten years older than me (I was 65, she was 75) sorta talked me into it. That was the two-shot one. No side effects. No Covid. My TDS brother, who was 59 at the time, got the other shot, had Covid two or three times, just a flu results, and still got boosters.
Hopefully the exposure of Fauci’s egregious attack on our way of life will inspire more resistance among the peeps the next time something like this happens. Or the next time any such government mandate tries to assert itself, for that matter. It took the leadership of one tiny man to wreck a significant portion of us. Let us never forget.
Re Rand Paul leading the charge against Fauci. He’s a doctor so he easily recognized a bs artist in his field. Also, he was first off the block, as I recall, loudly declaring schools should not be closed nor kids be required to wear masks because of the long term damage to kids’ development. His messages should have been heeded in 2020.
My wife and I have never had Covid. She treated patients before vaccination and I knew people who got it. Our family made it through the pandemic without contracting it. Just this year, one of my daughters got a positive test, and we were mostly surprised anyone still tested for it.
Jamie, I appreciate your point and don’t particularly disagree with the idea you have for handling a retrospective.
I do want to help you know the airlines don’t have the process you claim. I think you maybe thinking the NTSB. They avoid jumping to any conclusions by not finalizing a report until a year after an event investigation. And while they will call something pilot error, if that is what comes out in the investigation; they spend a good deal of time looking for barriers (some call these holes in the Swiss cheese model) that were missing and too weak to prevent pilot error.
Moreover, military aviation has a safety board that is an even closer model. I didn’t serve, so I’m not going to try to cover the differences from the NTSB. However, I concur an investigation like that would be satisfying to me. Indeed, the concept in my head while writing my earlier statements are the investigations post Challenger and Columbia shuttle disasters.
The Covid vaccine sales pitch was strikingly similar to Obamacare : “It’’s so good we’ll force you to get lt!”
Trump reminded the world that Sens Cornyn and Tillis, who refuse to support acting AG Todd Blanche, voted to confirm Merrick Garland, arguably the worst the worst AG in my lifetime.
The biggest ""COVID era" takeaways for me are: (1) dissenting opinions must be allowed to be publicly expressed without any reprisals, and (2) the data from countries and states that choose alternative policies should be openly compared as the epidemic progresses.
The following countries did not impose severe shutdown policies: Sweden, Taiwan, Uruguay, Iceland. Nor to various degrees, did the following states in the U.S.: Arkansas, Iowa, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Dakota, Utah, and Wyoming. If people are able to see comparable statistics, they can at least make rational choices personal choices on measures to follow and possible even where they want to stay as the epidemic progresses.
In this regard, one of the most disturbing things that I recall is how pretty much the entire medical profession misrepresented the statistics themselves with regard to "died with COVID"" as opposed to "died from COVID", making data comparisons invalid. This and other such corruptions of medical objectivity have left me with very little confidence in the entire profession.
July initial unemployment claims fell to 187,000—the lowest since 1969—indicating subdued layoffs in a stable job market.
This Trump economy sure stinks.
Planetgeo, good suggestions. For #1 I we have no elected representatives who will stand up for Public Debate, not when the shit hits the fan, which was sadly revealed when even doctors were censored for questioning the Public Health authorities.
Angela Merkel facilitated an invasion of not only Germany, but Europe, as well. We’ve all seen how well THAT is working out.
Merkel may’ve also helped ensure that Germany will be rid of its Jews, seeing Hitler’s dream come true.
Now… about Ursula von der Leyen… President of the European Commission…
I’m planning to use the term “Fauci” as a verb at least once a week here in August. As in “to Fauci”. Not sure exactly how yet but it’s a target rich environment.
Tillis and Cornyn are showing why Republican voters turned away from them.
Tillis is an insufferable tool.
@Planetgeo: Open debate is valuable, and comparing policies across jurisdictions is exactly what public health researchers have done. The difficulty is that comparing countries or states isn’t as simple as lining up case or death counts. Age distribution, population density, prior immunity, healthcare capacity, testing rates, reporting practices, and the timing of infection waves all influence outcomes.
The claim that the medical profession broadly misrepresented “died with COVID” versus “died from COVID” also overstates the evidence. Death certificates identify an underlying cause of death and contributing conditions using longstanding international standards. While individual cases were sometimes misclassified as happens with many diseases, multiple independent analyses of excess mortality found that official COVID death counts were more likely to underestimate, not overestimate, the pandemic’s death toll.
It’s reasonable to criticize specific policies or communications. It’s much harder to support the claim that an entire profession deliberately corrupted the data when the same overall patterns were independently observed across dozens of countries using different health systems and statistical agencies.
IEE said: “ The claim that the medical profession broadly misrepresented “died with COVID” versus “died from COVID” also overstates the evidence. ”
An absolute lie.
Calling it “an absolute lie” isn’t evidence.
The distinction between dying with COVID and dying from COVID was recognized throughout the pandemic. Death certificates distinguish the underlying cause of death from contributing conditions using long-established international standards. COVID was listed as the underlying cause only when it initiated the chain of events leading to death; in other cases it could be listed as a contributing condition.
Were there occasional coding errors? Certainly, as with every cause of death. But there is no credible evidence that the medical profession broadly or systematically mislabeled deaths. In fact, analyses of excess mortality from multiple countries consistently found that the pandemic caused at least as many and often more deaths than were captured by official COVID death counts.
Rejecting that body of evidence requires more than asserting, “It’s a lie.”
I was expecting Kai to be doing victory laps after his proclamations earlier this week. He seems to have disappeared.
My brother was in a long term care facility before covid hit. Why is unimportant. His heart stopped 4 times while he was there, and each time someone saw him drop to the floor and it was successfully restarted. The fifth time it stopped was while during the covidiocy where for the last year of his life he couldn't get visitors, and especially not his unvaxxed brother. And no one noticed until too late. After his death he tested positive for the virus. Official cause of death on certificate- covid. So tell me that lie again about how deaths with covid were distinguished from deaths from covid using long established standards.
And this popped up on my X feed today: https://x.com/TrumpGirlLove/status/2083041359896694928
Again- how many other doctors did this with more discretion and weren't uncovered?
IEE said: “ Calling it “an absolute lie” isn’t evidence.”
When a gunshot wound causes death but is labeled “died from Covid” is a good indicator. When hospitals* are financially rewarded for mislabeling death from Covid that is a good indicator.
* Info from a hospital administrator I know.
Not to repeat myself IEE, but you are not telling the truth.
Renamed 5A -- *To Fauci *
they HAD TO pretend that it was Deadly, and there was no alternative treatment, so that they could push through the "vaccine"
they had to change the deffinition of the word vaccine to call it a "vaccine"
We ended up with a "vaccine" that
didn't stop you from getting it
didn't stop you from spreading it
didn't stop it from killing you..
BUT;
the "vaccine" DID take a disease with a mortality less than 1%..
and turn it into a disease with a mortality less than 1%
AND it made BILLIONS for big pharma
AND it justified mailin voting
so WIN WIN
The old “my friend who works at a hospital” source makes an appearance.
Gunshot victims weren’t routinely counted as COVID deaths simply because they tested positive. Death certificates distinguish the underlying cause of death from contributing conditions, and unusual cases that made headlines were exceptions—not the rule.
As for hospitals being “paid to label deaths as COVID,” they were reimbursed for treating patients with COVID because those cases often required more complex and expensive care—not for inventing diagnoses. If hospitals were broadly falsifying death certificates for profit, we’d expect evidence from audits, prosecutors, or whistleblowers. After years of investigations, that evidence still hasn’t materialized.
Anecdotes can be interesting. They’re not a substitute for evidence.
"Rejecting that body of evidence........."
You haven't provided any. What body of evidence? Where is it. Who did it ?
𝘐𝘧 𝘩𝘰𝘴𝘱𝘪𝘵𝘢𝘭𝘴 𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘦 𝘣𝘳𝘰𝘢𝘥𝘭𝘺 𝘧𝘢𝘭𝘴𝘪𝘧𝘺𝘪𝘯𝘨 𝘥𝘦𝘢𝘵𝘩 𝘤𝘦𝘳𝘵𝘪𝘧𝘪𝘤𝘢𝘵𝘦𝘴 𝘧𝘰𝘳 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘧𝘪𝘵, 𝘸𝘦’𝘥 𝘦𝘹𝘱𝘦𝘤𝘵 𝘦𝘷𝘪𝘥𝘦𝘯𝘤𝘦 𝘧𝘳𝘰𝘮 𝘢𝘶𝘥𝘪𝘵𝘴, 𝘱𝘳𝘰𝘴𝘦𝘤𝘶𝘵𝘰𝘳𝘴, 𝘰𝘳 𝘸𝘩𝘪𝘴𝘵𝘭𝘦𝘣𝘭𝘰𝘸𝘦𝘳𝘴.
We have a new lie of the year.
The difference between "death from covid" and "death from heart stopping due to injury sustained during assault" is the difference between the person who put my brother in the long term facility being sentenced for assault and being sentenced for homicide.
Here’s a contemporary article on recording Covid deaths: https://www.westernjournal.com/people-reportedly-died-gunshot-wounds-look-deaths-classified/
Here’s another article from national law review explaining reasons why COVID deaths were over and under reported. Note the case of a family wanting COVID as cause of death to obtain $9000 FEMA funds for burial. https://natlawreview.com/article/are-covid-19-death-certificates-reliable
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