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"The US and China 'should be partners and not rivals,' President Xi has said, as he and President Trump exchanged warm words during bilateral talks in Beijing."

"Trump praised his host as a 'great leader' and 'friend,' predicting that their countries would have 'a fantastic future together.' However, Xi warned the two nations could come into conflict if the Taiwan question is 'mishandled.' He told his US counterpart that 'the Taiwan question is the most important issue in China-US relations,' according to remarks published by Chinese state media shortly after talks began.
'If mishandled, the two nations could collide or even come into conflict, pushing the entire China-US relationship into a highly perilous situation,' Xi added."

The London Times reports.

I'm quoting the UK newspaper, but I did note the Washington Post and New York Times headlines for this story. Both use the same verb: 

Warns

That puts Xi in the dominant position. Trump is on the receiving end.

By contrast, the London Times headline is "Xi tells Trump: China and US should be partners, not rivals."

Tells. That makes a difference. I chose the UK newspaper because I'm put off by our own newspapers' endless antagonism toward Trump and seeming desire to cause anxiety to Americans.

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Leland म्हणाले...

Then don’t mishandle it Xi.

Quayle म्हणाले...

“… and seeming desire to cause anxiety to Americans.”

Too bad for Americans. The CFO demands readers - demands eyeballs. It doesn’t matter how it hurts society. There is no Social Environmental Protection Agency.

Leland म्हणाले...

Warning is indeed far more provocative. Reading the initial quote, Trump need only not “poke the dragon” in by emphasizing Taiwan too much. Trump hasn’t. Trump has been clear of his support for Taiwan and its independence, and otherwise mentions Taiwan as much as his predecessors.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

The horrible people who make up our government are only surpassed by the even more horrible people who write about our government for a living. One literally has to impute what the facts are because the language is always obscuring, spinning or mangling the facts to make them difficult to discern among the noise.

Christopher B म्हणाले...

"Xi warns"

After the abysmal performance of the weapons Iran and Venezuela got from Temu, Xi isn't in a position to make threats, despite what the theater kids writing headlines for the NYT might believe.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Mouse warns eagle that swooping down on small mammals is inherently destabilizing. CC, JSM

john mosby म्हणाले...

Salmon warns bear that pulling fish out of stream threatens orderly spawning season. CC, JSM

john mosby म्हणाले...

Calzone warns Chris Christie that wolfing down baked savories endangers the orderly flow of Italian food. CC, JSM

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

They certainly could have lead with the headline “Xi Agrees to Buy More Oil from US.” But the truth makes Trump look effective for positioning America to be the top oil exporter.

Inga म्हणाले...

Trump was the beta. Xi the alpha. With all the anti China talk among the right, their leader Trump sure didn’t waste any time groveling to China.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Crack rock warns Hunter Biden that all night binges disrupt drug supply chain. CC, JSM

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

They also could have used the headline “Xi Says Iran Cannot Develop Nuclear Weapons” but again that’s an inconvenient truth for the Times to admit.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy म्हणाले...

“We need to continue to work to de-risk certain areas, certainly in rare earths where we have dependencies on China,” Steve Daines, a Republican senator from Montana who was in China

That'll be the least of your problems if the CCP runs TSMC.

While it is certainly an important meeting, its importance is probably overrated considering Trump’s track record.

Trump is flailing away in a sand trap at the third hole while Xi is shooting par on the back nine heading for champagne at the club house.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Bear bar patrons warn Don Lemon that dropping his hankie cuts twinks out of their turn. CC, JSM

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

My fanciful prediction about cooperation on Hormuz is still in play. Or to phrase it like a NYT hack, “Xi Fails to Deny Impending Joint Patrols to Open the Strait of Hormuz.”

See. It’s a 100% accurate headline while being highly misleading. Anyone can write like a Timesman with a little practice.

Shouting Thomas म्हणाले...

“Trump was the beta. Xi the alpha. With all the anti China talk among the right, their leader Trump sure didn’t waste any time groveling to China.”

Many years and many reps later, Inga still doesn’t understand Trump’s negotiation strategy.

Breezy म्हणाले...

“I'm put off by our own newspapers' endless antagonism toward Trump and seeming desire to cause anxiety to Americans.“

“Warns” (WaPo, NYT), “groveling” (Inga), same purpose.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

This is the second time Trump has received a tour of highly revered Chinese venues, the Forbidden City last time and an extremely important shrine foreigners rarely see, much less visit. In a tour led by the Premier of China. It’s an high honor rarely given. Yet Ci pulls out the best for Trump and proclaims “more cooperation in this new era.”

What’s new? Anything happen the last 15 months to signal a different approach or agenda for America? Believe the fantasy of the loony left at your peril. China is seeking respect. Trump as usual is seeking advantage for the USA.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Of course plenty of horrible non-journalists have takes too. Stupid takes. But they don’t mind looking stupid if they can fling insults at Trump stories. Like primates flinging feces.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

It’s well known in diplomacy that taking visitors to a country’s most sacred sites is a subtle insult that only retarded ex-nurses can properly interpret. We are so fortunate!

Shouting Thomas म्हणाले...

Why does the left think that chest thumping in negotiation works? Is the demonstration of macho superiority more important than the outcome?

Breezy म्हणाले...

“Like primates flinging feces.“

LOL. It’s a thoughtless careless disgusting habit…

Breezy म्हणाले...

Also quite literally, asinine.

Dave Begley म्हणाले...

What a great toast by our President! The Chinese called us the New People in 1784.

Chris म्हणाले...

Remember when China rolled out the red carpet for the light bringer? No? That's right, they didn't. He exited the back of the plane. They treated Trump far better than Obama because Trump is respected, while the light bringer was not.

Breezy म्हणाले...

“President Xi offers a toast at the state banquet dinner in Beijing: "To the bright future of China-U.S. relations, and the friendship between the two peoples, and to the health of President Trump and all of the friends present."

William म्हणाले...

I'd like to see China and the USA openly compete for the honor and prestige of being the first country to eradicate cancer instead of nuclear powered drones or whatever.......We'll see how it goes. The Communist Part of China has a history of doing some profoundly stupid things---The Great Leap Forward and The Cultural Revolution. Millions died. Xi is the inheritor of that tradition.

rehajm म्हणाले...

legen-…urgent message for mr mosby…dairy!

rehajm म्हणाले...

I don’t care for their tone…

Howard (not that Howard) म्हणाले...

None of this actually matters unless we stop welcoming Chinese spies and giving their children citizenship, selling farmland near military installations, allowing secret police stations, avoiding hardening our networks against Chinese hackers, letting our intellectual property leak out, etc etc.

mccullough म्हणाले...

Winnie the Pooh got embarrassed in Venezuela & Iran. He should have taken Taiwan when Sleepy Joe was drooling his way through the presidency.

rehajm म्हणाले...

and seeming desire to cause anxiety to Americans

Looking at zoloft sales it seems to be working. Me, I’m not so much worried about the anxiety as the disconnect between reality and the fantasy world leftie media creates. When reality hits the believers in the face the cognitive dissonance spurs some if them to violence, even the ordinary ones…

imTay म्हणाले...

When you get involved in another country's civil war, like we did when we sailed our warships down the Taiwan Strat, and fired on mainland forces, in order to disintegrate China, setting up an "unsinkable aircraft carrier" directly of the mainland of China, and when you arm the other side in that civil war, the island has belonged to China since the Middle Ages, BTW, until the Imperial Japanese took it from them, and used it as a launchpad to attack the mainland, killing something like 30 million Chinese, and as soon as they got it back from the Japanese, we took it from them again. Official US policy is that Taiwan is part of China, and the Taiwanese government considers itself the "legitimate government of all of China." In other words, it's a civil war.

Imagine them being sensitive about that...

As far as criticizing Trump goes, this is a different Donald Trump than the one that I voted for three times, the one who ran against the very people that he has now lined up with. The one who lied to us to get elected, and then betrayed his base, except, the polling shows, for the "Boomer-Cons" who stick by him.

William म्हणाले...

I think some of our interests in the MIddle East coincide. During Bush I, Saddam pumped oil into the Gulf. He didn't do this for any strategic purpose. He did it just out of malice and spite. The IRGC is just as crazy and spiteful as Saddam. In extremis and if in possession of a nuclear weapon, they would possibly nuke and radiate all the oil in the Gulf just for spite. Such oil would henceforth be unusable........If Taiwan really wanted to, they could probably develop a nuclear weapon in a matter of months. Proliferation doesn't just happen with enemies of the USA.

imTay म्हणाले...

"I think some of our interests in the MIddle East coincide."

So China would rather have a strategic rival control the Strait, a rival which has made no secret about it's long-term plan to blockade China into submission, just ask Achilles about it, than an actual ally, just to avoid some short-term economic pain?

Remember when Xi came to San Fransisco, and they had the streets cleaned up until they looked like a set from Flower Drum Song? Not the same reception for Trump. Putin gets greeted on the Tarmac by Xi, BTW.

"The IRGC is just as crazy and spiteful as Saddam"

Who exactly gave Saddam those chemical weapons? Who was actually behind the Iran-Iraq war, which was a response the the Iranians taking back their own oil, and throwing out a repressive regime, which ruled by terror and was installed by the UK [Google Project Ajax], we even set up the Shah with his own Gestapo [SAVAK] to maintain Anglo-American control of their oil.

There is a batshit crazy country in the ME that attacks countries around it, and is behind a lot of terror attacks, but it isn't Iran, which just wants to be left alone, and for that country that shall not be named to comply with UN Security Council mandates to stop occupying its neighbors.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

I don't think that Trump is really in any particular hurry to open the Strait of Hormuz. I think he told Xi "Gee, we're doing what we can, but these tough Iranians just keep shutting things down. It's a yuge problem, but we're working on it. How's your oil supply?"

Left Bank of the Charles म्हणाले...

“Xi warns” makes China sound more bellicose that “Xi tells.” But how does that phrasing constitute antagonism towards Trump by U.S. newspapers?

In any case, it’s Taiwan that faces the anxiety. In the same way that only Nixon could go to China, only Trump can sell out Taiwan.

narciso म्हणाले...

Actually the french and the germans did

imTay म्हणाले...

You know when I started looking into all of this history of US plans for a "New American Century"? When the Russiagate stuff began, and all of the lies that were told about Trump, and I looked into Ukraine, the coup, the Trade Union Building atrocity in Odessa, and Victoria Nuland, John McCain [I gave his campaign $400,BTW], Hillary Clinton, etc, in Maidan Square encouraging the protests, and the protesters were paid by USAID money, the same money that Trump shut down at the beginning of his term, but that was a different Donald Trump. But looking into it made me very aware of how we have been lied to, and now the medial likes what Trump is doing, now that he has dropped his whole anti-war shtick, but they still lie. The Neocons want to create a state of "permanent security," which sounds a lot like a "Thousand Year Reich" and it's amazing how many of these "batshit crazy" countries just happen to be sitting on huge lakes of oil, or strategicly important geography that we want to control.

You guys are like Winston Smith's friend in 1984 who used to discuss the propaganda coming out of the Telscreen as if it were true, and worth the time of day to even think about.

narciso म्हणाले...

They gave saddam osirak they built bushehr

narciso म्हणाले...

Mossadecq sides with the communists we know nationalization is a mugs game

narciso म्हणाले...

But when you side with the side that killed 60 million people

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Mike MJB always understands the diplomacy behind the gestures and the media. If you can find Simone Leyes, exact spelling, they are brilliant essays on the Cultural Revolution and the social mores they produced.

It's still amazing, though, the blinkered hatred and glee of anti-American ideologues, who wish us harm and rub their hands in darkness, eternally hoping for the worst outcome.

narciso म्हणाले...

Its still a terrible paper

narciso म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Iman म्हणाले...

“Trump was the beta. Xi the alpha”

Igna’s father was a mudder.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

So now motards are predicting (checks comments) “Trump sells out Taiwan.” My prediction of joint naval exercises is more likely than that. Trump is the best friend Taiwan has had in 40 years. If you look back at the geopolitical strategy over the last 6 months every single move we made has made China weaker and more dependent on us. Nothing did more to guarantee Taiwan’s safety than proving how utterly worthless their air defense systems perform against our stealth attack systems. Twice. If you can’t grasp the importance of VZ and IR and the Strait of Malaga then you really have no idea what is going on regarding China and their delayed bellicosity towards Taiwan.

Do you even know what air defense systems are in Taiwan?

narciso म्हणाले...

Better than chinese by a country mile

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

Reposting this:
Below is a link to a fantastic podcast. Not political. If you want to understand who China's President is, what he might do and how we might affect his decisions and/or respond in various scenarios, listen to this. You will learn a lot.
Military options are not the only ones available to Xi. There are a number of "gray zone" strategies that are more likely.
Can't recommend this pod more highly, especially at this time of Trump meeting with Xi.

"You’re Not Deterring a Country… You’re Deterring a Man"
Guest is Eyck Freymann, Hoover Fellow at Stanford University and author of Defending Taiwan: A Strategy to Prevent War with China. He's also a fellow at the US Naval War College.
It's a little over an hour, well worth the time.

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/youre-not-deterring-a-country-youre-deterring-a/id1605818635?i=1000764383335

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Nothing did more to guarantee Taiwan’s safety than proving how utterly worthless their air defense systems perform against our stealth attack systems.

In that sentence “their” refers to China’s air defense capabilities not Taiwan’s.

Peachy म्हणाले...

Stop paying Dems, Xi. You pay them to destroy. and they obey.

Peachy म्हणाले...

Inga- the retarded ex Nurse - still thinks the Mueller report is going to drop - and Trump will be gone!

LOL - idiot.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

The US and Russia are natural allies too but the Russians don't seem to be on board.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

There's no reason for the Chinese to invade Tawian. that's for people who love war. The Chinese always play the long game. Historical polls by the Taiwanese Public Opinion Foundation showed "48.9 percent of Taiwanese support obtaining formal national independence, 26.9 percent support the “status quo” and 11.8 percent support unification with China.

Hong Kong was eventually brought back, and so will Tawian.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

Interesting that Biden never went to China and meet with the Chinese President. Obama and Clinton did it once each. bush did it twice.

Bushman of the Kohlrabi म्हणाले...

Long gone are the days when US foreign policy bristled with confidence, competence, intelligence and dominance the way it did under the steely grips of legendary leaders like Barack Obama and Joe Biden.

rehajm म्हणाले...

One literally has to impute what the facts are because the language is always obscuring, spinning or mangling the facts to make them difficult to discern among the noise

…inverses and opposites get you close enough…

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Well well well...

1. On Iran, give the US "ANYTHING TRUMP NEEDS"
2. Buy more soybeans
3. Buy more USA oil
4. Buy more LNG
5. Buy 200 Boeing jets


Via Eric Daugherty and I'll add that I believe the number is like 24 million metric tons of Soybeans on order. Is all of this winning what the lefties here predicted for today?

So. Much. Winning.

William म्हणाले...

There was a Pax Brittanica during the 19th century. Britain's strategic rivals--the USA and Germany--benefited just as much and perhaps more from that peace than Britain herself.....The USA is The Superpower. That's a good thing. The police should have more power than the cartels. Mexico, for example, doesn't prosper because the cartels there can take on the police. When a state as nasty as Iran can dictate terms, no one in that region will prosper.

Iman म्हणाले...

With two, you get egg roll. Kill 50 million, you get your giant portrait pasted on a wall overlooking Tiananmen Square.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

For me though, the statement from XI that "Iran cannot obtain a nuclear weapon" is really big win. We can't even get Democrats here to agree to that. The dead-enders from the Obama-Autopen era are still flogging the JCPOA as if it ever mattered. It would really nice if the opposition party and the Republican party both had fewer treasonous scumbags as members, but you go to war with the army you got.

RideSpaceMountain म्हणाले...

Prediction: Taiwan's political integration with the mainland will occur eventually - likely in the form of an autonomous economic zone (经济特区) on steroids - and that integration will be peaceful. Wouldn't be a bad put on Kalshi.

jim5301 म्हणाले...

Taiwan's existence proves the fundamental failure of the China economic system. Per capita GDP 3 times larger. No wonder China is so eager to swallow it.

RideSpaceMountain म्हणाले...

Fundamentally China's current economic system is a little over 40 years old. A blip essentially. Awful early.

Jamie म्हणाले...

their leader Trump sure didn’t waste any time groveling to China.

Well, look at that! inga said a true thing. Trump didn't grovel to China, much less waste his time doing it.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Excellent catch Jamie!

tim maguire म्हणाले...

imTay said... the island has belonged to China since the Middle Ages,

Communist China has never exercised control over Taiwan. They have no historical claim to it whatsoever. Their pretending otherwise is pure propaganda. Belligerence against a neighboring country.

Jamie म्हणाले...

For a loyal, if disappointed, Republican, three-time Trump voter imTay has a curious habit of siding with the ChiComs, doesn't he?

DINKY DAU 45 म्हणाले...

Looks like grovelling to the viewers. Flowerey praise to a CHICOM despot as MAGAS WOULD SAY? Rubio gets the 1st letter in Chinese changed so he can show up because he has been under sanctions since 2020, nice trick. "Xi's stern tone about Taiwan was a sharp contrast to Trump, who opened the highly anticipated summit by praising his Chinese counterpart and declaring that “it’s an honor to be your friend.”“You’re a great leader. Sometimes people don’t like me saying it, but I say it anyway, because it’s true," Trump told him.“It’s an honor to be with you. It’s an honor to be your friend, so much for the MAGA hate CHICOMS for everything ,trump negotiates like he thinks praising others, like he demands works, XI is not your friend!!! Despots see weakness and start to WARN rather than recommend. What concessions will this guy only interested in $$$$ make ? $29,000,000.00 for another right wing war is not even close accounting, $1.5 trillion budget request for more WAR is sick. WTF illegal tariffs, nearing 40 trillion in debt, sleeping on the world stage, wars with no strategies, Americans told "I dont think of plight of Americans financials (you know promote the welfare)NOT AT ALL.. and the folks keep sending their money buying trading cards,sneakers,GOLD CARDS, whatever grift is new is amazing! but just as grandmas favorite show"AS THE WORLD TURNS,SO DO THE DAYS OF OUR LIVES" grandma turning flips in holding till final resurrection!

Gospace म्हणाले...

Ah, China has ruled Taiwan since the middle ages. Really? No.

Mainland powers and islands are a curious thing. Who has claim to the islands and who rules them.

North Sentinel Island. Owned by India, they rule over it. So they claim. So let's do a what if. What of the North Sentinel Islanders sent a boat out and waited for contact with a passing vessel. And declared they were a free and independent nation and wanted to trade exclusively with, let's say, New Zealand. Has India ever actually, in history written or oral, ever actually exercised dominion over North Sentinel Island? The answer to that is- a resounding no. It exercises dominion over the seas- prohibiting any vessel from approaching North Sentinel Island, but no jurisdiction over the islanders.

Doe North Sentinel Island have the right of independence?

narciso म्हणाले...

Formosa was held by the portuguese for a long time, for that matter so was hormuz

Lazarus म्हणाले...

"Partners and not rivals" does make more sense than expecting China to finance our efforts to establish permanent US global domination.

Iman म्हणाले...

Jorge Bonilla
@BonillaJL
WATCH: CBS's Tony Dokoupil completes his editorial to close out the West Coast Evening News broadcast. In a minute and a half, he runs through what the other nightlies omit- that China is going through the suck worse than the U.S. right now. The media hall monitors will surely throw a fit about it tomorrow.

TONY DOKOUPIL: Finally, tonight from Taiwan: as President Trump and China's Xi Jinping prepare to meet, you will hear a lot about American decline and the rise of a powerful new China. The Chinese certainly believe it. But is it true? Xi’s China is a marvel by many measures, is- is the world's second largest economy, producing almost 30% of the world's manufactured goods. They have high speed rails that put the Acela to shame. And China has lifted millions of its citizens out of poverty, making things like the iPhones in your pocket and mine.

And yet, America remains the innovation hub of the world. Made in China, yes; but designed and invented in the U.S.A. New drugs, new discoveries, new inventions, new space missions. Xi boasts of the country's industrial might, and it's impossible to deny that fact. China's population is in decline, though, well below replacement rates. Unemployment is high with millions in rural provinces living in poverty, and massive housing complexes that now sit empty. Most importantly, and perhaps I'm stating the obvious here, none of these problems are a topic on the Chinese evening news. In fact, pessimism itself is forbidden on the Chinese internet. The freedoms we have, they simply do not. That's another day in America and the world. I'm Tony Dokoupil, live from Taipei, Taiwan. Good night.

https://x.com/BonillaJL/status/2054770575759847909?s=20

James K म्हणाले...

"Trump sure didn’t waste any time groveling to China.”

We all know that if Trump had gone aggressive and undiplomatic, Igna would have chastised him for that. Fortunately, Trump doesn't know or care what she thinks.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Yes, too bad the Portuguese Empire didn't last. Maybe doomed by the small size of the mother country? Portugal has about 1/5 England's population - I assume the ratio was about the same in the age of exploration.

Or maybe Britain just has more of Niall Ferguson's "killer apps" of Western civilization?

Still, I am tantalized by Albuquerque's plan to sack Mecca by taking Ethiopian troops across the Red Sea on Portuguese ships. CC, JSM

Rustygrommet म्हणाले...

Mike
You may have missed this one. The leader of China's stealth program has gone missing. For people who pay attention to such things this usually means a bullet in the head and an unmarked grave. Which in turn leads me to think that China's much vaunted stealth fighter program isn't very stealthy.
At some point with Xi in charge China's military might be a match to ours. But that point is down the road a ways.
By going to China Trump is signaling to Xi that they are equals. But both Xi and Trump know that China is in no position to demand anything.

Peachy म्हणाले...

Trump is art of the deal here.

China is not an honest broker. They are on the long game to take over everything. Both parties know this.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

I believe the generals in charge of procuring the air defense systems were all removed recently in what the headline called a "big shakeup" after the Maduro raid.

Enigma म्हणाले...

China's looooooooooong cultural pattern is more sedentary and defensive than many other groups. This includes their East Asian neighbors. The Mongols/Mongolians were roaming raiders, the ancestral stock for Korean and Japanese explorers, and the ancestral stock for North and South Americans.

Chinese were ice-age farming/fishing homebodies most famous for building many walls to keep the Mongolians from invading. They are making a Chinese type of empire -- not unlike their urban port outposts all over South Asia for generations. See the dominant populations of Singapore, parts of Malaysia, etc.

FortheloveofIce म्हणाले...

I saw something about Donald J Trump touring the factory in China where they make the MAGA hats. Is that true?

john mosby म्हणाले...

Which country is worse off in that deal: the US, that gives up a few bucks to get lots of cheap hats to advertise its ideology of national renewal, or Red China, that takes a few bucks to help that ideology spread and make the US stronger?

I think the ChiComs are selling us the hats to hang them with. CC, JSM

john mosby म्हणाले...

Quotation from Chairman Trump #78: MAGA swims in the ChiCom factories like fish in the ocean. CC, JSM

Leland म्हणाले...

As Trump Meets Xi, Iran Lets Chinese Ships Through Strait of Hormuz (NYT)

Hey Europe, it isn’t Trump preventing trade through the Strait of Hormuz.

Ampersand म्हणाले...

The desire to provoke Trump-related anxiety among Americans is just one facet of their desire to make Americans unhappy with Trump, and thus to re-energize their magnificent project of national destruction.
Weirdly, the monotony and hyperbole of their negativism make it more difficult to have legitimate rational discussions comparing the flaws and risks of Trumpian policies with their benefits.

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy म्हणाले...

So far seems like flattery over substance.

Xi's seeming threat that US-China relations will rise or fall based how the issue of Taiwan has a ready-made enjoiner. The US opposes any non-peaceful change to the status quo in Taiwan, as does the vast majority of all countries in the world. This has been US policy since the 1950s. And since 1979, the US is required by law to provide Taiwan with the means to defend itself from attack.

China has managed to thrive just fine with these policies in place and so the continued application of those policies should not be an issue going forward either. China attempting to coerce Taiwan into being annexed by Beijing, on the other hand, would bring about the worst-case scenario Xi described.

If Beijing wants to annex Taiwan, perhaps it should offer more carrots instead of sticks, which have had disastrous results in trying to persuade the Taiwanese people to support unification. Currently only 1% of Taiwanese support unification as soon as possible, and only 7% support any move toward unification at any point in the future. The vast majority support permanent maintenance of the status quo or a move to independence at some point in the future.
https://esc.nccu.edu.tw/upload/44/doc/6963/Tondu202512.png

The reality is that Taiwan is a peaceful, prosperous, and independent democracy and they want to continue as such.

Dr Weevil म्हणाले...

I've pointed out before that imTay's repeated claim that China has a right to conquer Taiwan, and Russia to conquer Ukraine, because their preceding governments owned the places, is utterly unAmerican, indeed out and out Fascist. He doesn't believe in the consent of the governed!

Lots of independent countries were not independent for centuries, if ever. So what? Slovakia and Slovenia, for instance, are each inhabited by ethnically-related people who mostly speak the same language, a language not spoken by the majority in any other country. If they prefer to be small independent and self-ruled nations rather than constituent parts of larger empires, as they were before, why shouldn't they? It's their choice.

Saying that China has a right to conquer Taiwan is every bit as stupid and evil as it would be if someone in the '50s, '60s, '70s, or '80s had argued that brutal dictatorship East Germany had a right to invade and conquer democratic West Germany. Before Germany was divided and dismembered, it was pretty much ruled by Prussia, which was almost entirely in what is now East Germany or what is now Poland. Did that give post-Prussian East Germany a right to West Germany? Again, that would a stupid and evil argument to make, because the thing that counts is not history, or military force, but the consent of the governed. No dictatorship has any right to invade a neighboring democracy, no matter what their history.

Jim at म्हणाले...

Trump was the beta. Xi the alpha. With all the anti China talk among the right, their leader Trump sure didn’t waste any time groveling to China.

You really don't have the slightest idea of what you're talking about, do you?

Then again, if Trump was doing to opposite of what you think he's doing, you'd bitch he was being a big ol' meanie to poor, little China.

Howard म्हणाले...

Trump can stand the heat while you people run out of the kitchen.

Howard म्हणाले...

It doesn't matter if what you say is true about the press being malicious towards Trump. The constant whining about it is nauseating

Indefinitely Extended Excursion™️ along with $1.8bn of Kleptocracy म्हणाले...

Trump needs this meeting to go well far more than President Xi does. You can see it in the body language, in the large contingent of U.S. corporate CEOs he brought with him, and in the somewhat plaintive tone. In the end, the U.S. would obviously survive if the meeting fell apart, but going into it, Trump is clearly the petitioner.

There has been a lot of chatter from the White House and from Scott Bessent about decoupling the two economies. That would be extremely challenging, given that they are the world’s two largest economies. But I noticed that last night Trump was on social media talking about reopening China and getting things back on track. That sounds very 1990s engagement--oriented to me. It represents a clear about-face from the posture the administration took during Trump’s first term, a bit under Biden, and again in Trump’s current term. If done properly and with proper regard for national security, I think it’s a good move.

The share of U.S. imports coming from China has plummeted from about 25% to 7%. There are two important points here. First, this massive shift has done nothing positive for U.S. manufacturing — and if anything, it has contributed to higher inflation. Second, the remaining imports from China are now concentrated in the things we can’t easily substitute, such as rare earths and pharmaceutical components. So recoupling from here actually makes sense.

Trump talks about wanting Chinese factories on American soil, but foreign direct investment from China into the United States is also way down. There are real hurdles to this reopening and reconnecting. Still, Trump is right to emphasize foreign direct investment. It was foolish to act as if we didn’t want it. After all, if the Chinese are going to “steal technology” — which to some degree their officials do — it’s usually done through cyberattacks, espionage, or bribery. But when we attract legitimate foreign direct investment, we gain technology transfer in the open, create American jobs, and reduce the incentive for spying. The same logic applies to bringing Chinese students to the U.S. These are win-win moves.

Butkus51 म्हणाले...

the fact that Brandon Johnson and Karen Bass among others have their jobs is only because of cowardly media.

College!

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China has always thought of itself as the center of the earth. That is. No other cultures on earth could possibly be more sophisticated, more deserving of respect from others, more knowledgeable than the center. China. The who, by divine right, should rule the earth and its citizens should be grateful. Xi is, for all intents, the emperor of China.

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