We're told it was a 6.0-magnitude earthquake.
१ सप्टेंबर, २०२५
"May God watch over our Afghan people. War, earthquakes, poverty — every hardship is a test from God."
Said a man named Said Meer, one of many Afghans who are returning to Afghanistan after being expelled from Pakistan, quoted in "Earthquake in Afghanistan Leaves More Than 800 Dead/The quake, near the border with Pakistan, injured more than 2,500 people in mountainous areas that rescue workers took hours to reach" (NYT).
पोस्ट्स
१०५ टिप्पण्या:
The religious: earth is a proving ground.
The secular: life is an exercise in risk management.
800 is not a big death toll by Asian standards.
May all those who force their women into burkas and who think stoning is ever an appropriate punishment for women perish in the wrath of almighty God.
Allahu clarkbar!
All at the snack bar!
It's a benighted place the last few centuries.
"...near the border with Pakistan" is the worst place in the world except for Pakistan near the border with Afghanistan. It's not the geography. It's not the climate. It's the people. The central government in Islamabad calls the whole region the tribal areas because they've given up trying to establish a law-abiding civilization there, as did the British before them, and the Moguls before the British, and the Sassanids before them.
800 dead. They might as well say 800 thousand for all the reliability of any statistical data gathered near the border with Pakistan. The error bars extend to infinity.
"May God watch over our Afghan people. War, earthquakes, poverty — every hardship is a test from God."
Hmmm…maybe God is trying to tell them something. Maybe they should take the hint and try Satan.
When I find myself in times of trouble, .....
I’m sure the Taliban government - or whoever the criminals are running that shithole - will take good care of the injured and rebuild.
To quote Tommy Lee Jones in The Fugitive: I don’t care.
…does anyone from civilization know what life is like there nowadays? I mean on the scale of did the skyscrapers collapse or did the quake just bounce the rubble?
"...every hardship is a test from god."
Could someone who has his ear, please ask him (nicely) to cut that out?
If they weren't stuck in the 12 Century, they'd have earthquake proof buildings.
But I guess marrying 9-year-old girls must be worth it for them.
Their hardships are caused by illiteracy, child rape and opioid abuse. I don't care if it's racist or victim blaming or whatever. It's the truth. A little crackerjack earthquake shouldn't kill a hundred thousand people either.
IF ONLY.. If Only they'd had one of the MOST POWERFUL countries in the world, sitting in their backyard... Just waiting to try to help..
IF ONLY.. If Only
Another shitty thing to happen to a shitty country. Where are their wealthy Muslim neighbors?
Yeah, it was Pakistan doing the shitty stuff alright, at our behest:
"Asked outright by Yalda Hakim about Pakistan's history of supporting and training terror groups, Asif replied,"Now we have been doing this dirty work for the United States for roughly three decades… and the West, including Britain. That was a blunder, and we paid for that." He also tried to rationalize Pakistan's actions by attributing the country's participation in the Cold War and post-9/11 wars to it. "If we hadn't participated in the war against the Soviet Union and then the war post-9/11, Pakistan's record was impeccable," —Pakistan Defence Minister Khawaja Asif "In a shocking interview" with Sky News host Yalda Hakim.
Note the part about the Soviet Union, which aligns with Jimmy Carter's National Security Advisor's 1999 confession that we had funded, trained, and armed the Taliban in order to force a response from the Soviets.
Go look at pictures of Afghanistan in the '70s, before the neocons destroyed their country, then tell me who was shitty.
BTW, if you are wondering why Biden skedaddled from Afghanistan like he did, Blinken explained to Congress that it got our troops out of harms way for the coming war with Russia which we were planning at that time, and taking steps to prepare for. Not only could Putin have armed up the Taliban to kill a lot of American soldiers, but the weapons that we were sending there would be needed in Ukraine.
Given that we put the Taliban in charge there, you could make the argument that trying to displace them again was somewhat noble, unlike the vast majority of other US wars.
One thing that is kind of funny, and probably also angers Pakistan is that they had to fold in their war with India so quickly because they had sent so many weapons to Ukraine. Not to mention, I think that all of Pakistan is a little bit mad at us for the humiliation we inflicted on them by ordering them to remove their most popular politician, Imran Kahn. He was removed and imprisoned, do you want to hear his crime? It's Kafkaesque. He was arrested and imprisoned for disclosing that the US had ordered his removal from power, which got him charged with "revealing state secrets."
So if Pakistan is a hellhole, we share a lot of the blame.
And here's Jaq, repeating the damned filthy lie that we "funded, trained, and armed the Taliban in order to force a response from the Soviets". One more time: the Taliban was founded in 1994, fifteen years after the Soviet invasion of Afghanistan, and five years after it ended. The Taliban are not the Mujahideen, we did not "put them in charge there", and the people most responsible for destroying Afghanistan - besides the Afghans themselves - are the Russians who encouraged an unpopular faction to depose and murder their leader, and then helped their Afghan puppets slaughter tens of thousands of their fellow citizens over the next ten years. The radicalization that led to the rise of the Taliban was a direct result of Russian interference.
And the Defense Minister of Pakistan has self-serving excuses for all the vile things his country did, blaming everyone except Pakistan. There is no reason to believe him.
I don't think thats quite right, yes the us and the uk chose to support pakistan over india, but they didn't get this would entail empowering afghani and mawdudi, who had more of an influence on the officer corps, than say cawthorne the founder of the ISI, of course Pakistan had their own designs to reclaim territories like kashmir (sounds familiar in other circumstances) young salman Rushdie didn't seem to understand this, re his first novel, where he seem to think the Indian wars were all about inconveniencing him
'repeating the damned filthy lie"
It's not my lie, it's former US National Security Advisor to Jimmy Carter, Zbegniev Brzezinski's "lie" if it is a lie at all. And seconded by the Pakistani Defense Minister who confessed to it in the interview I noted above.
You guys accuse me of lying, but "where's the beef" in your accusations? I provided explicit quotes from high ranking officials who were in a position to know the truth, and you present more secondary sources which are more likely to be propaganda than anything else.
If you have some niggling objection about what these jihadis in Afghanistan that we funded and armed were called, precisely, I say again "Where's the beef?"
and Brezinski was the farthest thing from a neocon, as you could find without falling off he planet, a son of a Polish prince,a technocrat, yes an anticommunist new Deal liberal,
whose other clever idea, was the grain embargo, a virtue signaling exercise, initially the support was to Ismail Khan, the young warlord of Herat, who agitated the Daud viceroyship
neither was Casey, an old school conservative, who dotted on hekmatyar, like Charlie Wilson, an old school Democrat,
sometimes there are not only nails on the road,
"I don't think thats quite right,"
Weevil is a hopeless thrall of Ukrainian propaganda, but I provided you with quotes from figures who were in a position to know. I don't get why you can't accept it. Well, I do, it took me a long time to understand the perfidiousness of American foreign policy, inherited from perfidious British Empire foreign policy, and longer still to accept that I had been lied to, and deceived into supporting foreign wars like the bombing of Baghdad using B-52s and iron bombs.
Now you could really chalk up the radicalization of the countryside, to General Zia, a product of the Ft leavenworth school, the wars I mentioned above, and a one time peacekeeper in the Sinai, in the early 70s,
"and Brezinski was the farthest thing from a neocon, as you could find without falling off he planet, a son of a Polish prince,a technocrat, yes an anticommunist new Deal liberal,"
I hate to say it by "neoliberal" is not the furthest thing from a neocon, it's just a term that I feel like I would lose people by using, since it's kind of inside baseball in the foreign policy debate. Victoria Nuland, Hillary Clinton's advisors, Blinken? Neoliberals.
British foreign policy has been stupid on whole nother levels, like supporting Ibn Saud and Prince Hussein, from two different branches, the partition was another clever plan, the support of the Sunnis over the majority Shia, the selection of Amin Husseini to head the Grand Mosque, those are just some of the high lights,
If Brzezinski said we supported "the Taliban" 15 years before they even existed, then he is in fact a liar, a fool, a lunatic, or some combination of those things. Did he use that word, or did he say (e.g.) "Mujahideen"? It is a simple fact that the Taliban were founded in 1994, that the USSR invaded Afghanistan in 1979, and that the Soviet-backed coup in Afghanistan in 1978 had already thoroughly screwed the country over. Unless the Carter administration had a well-hidden time machine, what you write cannot possibly be true.
And since when is having been NSA to Jimmy Freaking Carter a recommendation? Carter's foreign policy was idiotic in multiple ways.
"Their hardships are caused by illiteracy, child rape and opioid abuse. "
In fairness, Afghanistan's rate of cousin-marriage is around 50%, and average IQ is about 83. These factors might also help account for their hardships.
if we had not indulged in that silly exercise of detente, the Afghan invasion would not have been a surprise, that was largely Kissinger's doing, he also supported Pakistan in the disastrous war over Bangladesh, not a neocon, in fact he was way over his skis in a whole manner of ways,
"And since when is having been NSA to Jimmy Freaking Carter a recommendation? "
He was intimately involved with the decisions made at the highest level in, and this is important, 1979, when he recommended, and Jimmy Carter agreed to, arming, training, and funding Afghanistani jihadis, whatever they were called at the time, which you seem to think is of earth shattering importance. So now that he is dead, you can call him a liar, and now that his book has largely come true in terms of US foreign policy, you can call him out of touch with the people who were making foreign policy.
I think that your real problem with Brzezinski is that he was a blabbermouth. Just like Asif, whose conscience is clearly bothering him.
My supposed reliance on "Ukrainian propaganda" is of course another bald-faced lie from the moron who repeats Soviet and post-Soviet Putinite propaganda in every post ("satraps"!). I have named my sources for information on the Russian invasion of Ukraine many times: very few are Ukrainian citizens, and none are Ukrainian government sources. The most useful information comes from translations of Russian official sources and social media - straight from the horse's mouth, as it were - or some equine orifice.
Kissinger's proteges Scowcroft and Eagleburger, were the one who whitewashed the Tienanmen massacre, this the realism you crave, with electrolytes,
So Jaq can't tell us whether Brzezinski did or did not call the people he wanted to arm in 1979 "the Taliban" or not? If he's your authority, why can't you quote his exact words, you stupid son of a bitch? And why can't you figure out that the Northern Alliance, who fought the Taliban, were in fact directly descended from the Mujahideen that fought the Soviets?
it was Ahmed Shah Massoud, a French educated Tadjik who was the one who did most of the fighting, but it was the likes of Hekmatyar, Raisul Sayyaf and co, who got most of the monies,
"the Afghan invasion would not have been a surprise"
Jeezum. It wasn't a surprise, we deliberately goaded the Soviets into invading Afghanistan, and Carter's NSA bragged about it!
Brzezinski ...we did not force the Russian intervention, we just, conscientiously, increased the intervention possibilities.
Nouvelle Observateur: When the Soviets justified their intervention by affirming they were fighting against a secret American interference nobody believed them, though they were telling the truth. Don’t you regret it?
B: Regret what? That secret operation was an excellent idea. Its objective was to lead the Russian to the Afghan trap, and you want me to regret it? The very same day the Soviets crossed the Afghan border I wrote the following to President Carter: “This is our chance to give Russia its Viet Nam.”
NO: Aren’t you sorry either for favoring Islamic fundamentalism and providing weapons and consultancies to future terrorists?
B: What is the most important thing when you look at world history, the Taliban or the fall of the Soviet empire? Some excited Islamists or the liberation of Central Europe and the end of the Cold War?
Dr Weevil can call Brzezinski a "filthy liar" but he is the one in a position to know, who had access to all of the classified information and who was in the room when these policies were discussed. I am just reporting his words.
the former was celebrated by Ken Follett, in a rare burst of sanity, the characters in Rambo and even the Living Daylights
"why can't you quote his exact words, "
Brzezinski: Yes. According to the official version of the story, the CIA began to assist mujahedeen in the year 1980, that is, after the invasion of the Soviet army against Afghanistan on December 24, 1979. But the truth that remained secret until today is quite different: it was on July 3, 1979 that President Carter signed his first order on the secret assistance to Kabul’s pro-Soviet regime opponents. That day I wrote a memorandum to the President in which I told him that that assistance would cause the Soviet intervention
we just don't think he was very smart, much like Kissinger,
yet they got the big bucks, and the consulting contracts,
And the Soviets murdered Tarik Amin, one of their own people, so that was quite a hat trick,
The problem you guys are having is that you use news sources, not historical sources and primary quotes, and the news media are all "filthy liars" in Weevil's parlance, and propagandists for the cabal that runs the West.
directed by Yuri Drozdov, fmr head of the illegal dirrectorate who worked with other KGB operatives, in the West of course did they think Marshall Ustinov, would be that stupid I don't think so,
So Brzezinski spoke ambiguously, such that an ignorant person might think he was saying that the people we supported in 1979 were the Taliban, and Jaq demonstrates his ignorance by assuming exactly that. Brzezinksi obviously meant that supporting the Mujahideen was part of a complicated sequence of events involving multiple bad actors that eventually led to the rise of the Taliban, which is not the same thing at all.
By the way, thinking that the fall of the Soviet empire was a very good thing, far outweighing the damage done by the Taliban, is not absurd. Unless you regret the fall of the Soviet empire, as Putin does, and think Putin has a perfect right to kill hundreds of thousands trying to rebuild it, as Jaq does.
"we just don't think he was very smart, much like Kissinger,"
Obviously, but he had the power, and the knowledge of the circumstances at the time, and he had Jimmy Carter's ear. Obviously arming the Mujahideen and destroying civil government in what was a beautiful country in the 1970s, Afghanistan was stupid. But how we can say that he lied when he gave his account of his own actions, and that of the Carter Administration, you haven't explained, and remember Asif's interview with Sky News backs up his claims.
That's two insiders words vs a lot of public consumption sources like movies like "Charlie Wilson's War"
Imagine what the CIA insiders were saying to each other when they were asked to provide consulting for the movie... "What do we want the people to believe" would be the motivation of any consultants on that movie. Only a child would accept that as a source, or an especially credulous adult, I guess.
Looks like Jaq still hasn't figured out how to quote Brzezinski's exact words. In his 2:49pm comment, "Kabul’s pro-Soviet regime opponents" can't be right: the regime opponents we supported were anti-Soviet, not pro-Soviet.
Also, just for the record, I get zero information from the news media. I use a broad selection of Twitter sources.
"So Brzezinski spoke ambiguously, such that an ignorant person might think he was saying that the people we supported in 1979 were the Taliban"
You are tap dancing. Did all of the "Islamists" that we supported to take over Afghanistan somehow disappear and some other completely different set of jihadists were the ones who actually took over Afghanistan and ruled it, and supported Al Qaeda? Is that your argument.
Al Qaeda which handed the neocons and the neolibs the perfect pretext for a whole slew of wars, with the support of the American people? How conveeeenient!
I have also never seen "Charlie Wilson's War" and know nothing about it except that I understand it's a movie. I do know that the pro-Soviet junta that took power in a coup in 1978 was already "destroying civil government" in Afghanistan. That's what coups do, and that's why the majority of Afghans rose against them.
"can't be right"
"abul’s pro-Soviet regime opponents."
Is English your first language?
But I will let this thread be, you obviously feel that it is your patriotic duty somehow to egg Americans on into a "Sum of All Fears" style conflict with your hated Russia. Narcisco at least tries to be honest, but I think that his conclusions are a little more baked than they should be, given that new facts are always coming out.
as I pointed out, Ahmed Shah Massoud was the Western pinup, but he was outfunded by the other parties of the Peshawar circle, the ISI, notable Hamid Gul, who Milton Bearden was too dense to realize what he was doing,
was the God father of the Taliban,
" That's what coups do,"
We agree on that one, look at Maidan and the hell it has brought down on Ukraine, first by the civil war, which the US got involved in on day one, and then the Russian intervention in the civil war, which happened in 2022. It's been a disaster for Ukraine, this War of NATO Expansion.
No, the people we supported against the Russians in Afghanistan did not disappear, they became the Northern Alliance, who fought against the Taliban, and easily defeated them with US support after 9/11. I mentioned the Northern Alliance above, why does Jaq pretend they don't exist? Because he is a lying propagandist.
it takes skill to be this stupid about the past, which makes one skeptical of your view on current event, the Soviets had killed Tariki as they had deposed his predecessor, they seem to abide by the 'no true scotsman' motto, around this time in 94, the Russians including General Grachev who should have learned something from his deployment, foolish engaged in the siege of Kabul, after having tried to depose Dudayev in a similar imitation to 1979
I have attempted to follow the above discussion closely. Here’s what I learned …… nothing.
And as I pointed out, just a couple of months ago Pakistan's Defense Minister, in an interview with Sky News, said that Pakistan was paying the price for doing the US's "dirty work" in supporting terrorists, both against the Soviets, and later. So your little details about who what and when don't override decisions made at the highest levels. Obviously you spent a lot of time studying this conflict, but not everything ends up in the books people write. When new facts arise, they need to be accounted for.
The Maidan rebellion was of course not a coup, the war that followed is not a civil war but was from the start a foreign invasion, and the only two coups that occurred in Ukraine in 2014 were the Russian seizure of Crimea and the Russian seizure of parts of the Donbas, starting in Slovyansk. Both were led by Igor Girkin, a Russian KGB guy from Moscow with no connection to Ukraine except that Putin sent him there.
"it takes skill to be this stupid about the past,"
I am repeating the words of the players involved. I didn't make this stuff up. I am starting to wonder about your own motivations, since I provided direct quotes from people in a position to know.
As I have already noted, Pakistan's Defense Minister is making excuses for Pakistan's disastrously stupid and evil actions in Afghanistan, trying to blame anyone else except Pakistan. But he's saying what Jaq wants to hear, so he's an authority!
Too bad "people in a position to know" are usually people with a vested interest in lying about what they know to conceal their own guilt and incompetence. Will Jaq ever admit that the Northern Alliance were both anti-Soviet and anti-Taliban, or will he pretend that there were only two sides in Afghanistan, not three.
He does that in Syria, accusing the US of supporting ISIS if we oppose Assad, when in fact we supported the Kurds and the democratic Syrians against ISIS and Assad. Again, there were three sides, and he pretends there were only two.
"But he's saying what Jaq wants to hear, so he's an authority!"
He is the Defense Minister of Pakistan, that's what makes him an authority. What he says fits in neatly with what Brzezinski said, but you don't like it, so they must both be "filthy liars."
and you don't understand them with any degree of clarity, Pakistan was the godfather of Taliban and AQ, they still think their scorpions like the Tekri branch will not ulitimately sting them
Sharif, (name any of them) are as crooked as the day is long,
Imran Khan for all his eccentricities, is an honest man, thats why he is in jail
What actually happened in Syria? We deprived Assad of wheat and oil revenues and eventually his regime collapsed and the head choppers took over and massacres of Christians are now regular affairs. Whatever pretexts and justifications we provide are just that, pretexts and justifications.
"Pakistan was the godfather of Taliban and AQ"
All I am reporting is that their defense minister has claimed that they did this at the behest of the US. Both in Soviet times, and after. If you have a problem, argue with him. I don't see any evidence that he is lying, in fact, the evidence seems to point to an acknowledgment of Brzezinski's revelation that the "official" story was a lie.
OK, I will leave you with one last thought. Believe it or not, the Trojan War, the ten year siege of Troy, was not about some absconded bride, it was about control of a bottleneck in the trade route to Asia. It's a great story, the Iliad, and the Odyssey too, but they are just stories for the masses.
but yes Massoud, dead at the hand of Al Queda, Rashid Dostum was once a Soviet trained paratrooper, and a host of other character who now make up the reconstituted Northern Alliance from Tadjik territory,
its hard to tell what's actually going on in Syria, Al Sharaa was Al Queda, he seems to have grudges against not only Allawites but Druze, northern Syria, Idlib, was until recently
the sanctuary of an Islamic State leader but that is largely
Turkish territory,
go away now you are Ricky Bobby level of ignorance,
Hahaha! Jaq is now confident that the word of a politician is sacred, a Pakistani politician, no less. Interesting that all the evidence for his position comes down to two statements that seem to confirm his priors. Has he even read anything else on the subject? Did someone supply him with these two?
Bill Belichick, UNC football coach, is (to mix up sports) on deck to bat tonight in his first college game.
they've given up trying to establish a law-abiding civilization there, as did the British before them, and the Moguls before the British, and the Sassanids before them.
And the Russians and the Americans after them.
"Charlie Wilson's War" is a book.
By George Crile, 2003
There is lot of material in re the circumstances of Afghanistan. It remains indubitable that Afghanistans wars started by a Soviet backed military coup in 1978. This was an opportunistic move in an era of Soviet adventurism (Ethiopia, Angola, Mozambique, Cambodia, etc) following the post-Vietnam weakness of the US.
This coup and pro-Soviet regime was however followed by a popular uprising, backed by Pakistan, and in a small way by the US. It was followed by another internecine coup by a somewhat less-pro Soviet military faction (Hafizullah Amin) in October 1979. The Soviets murdered Amin during their invasion in December 1979.
That and the evident inability of the Afghan regime to deal with the uprisings was what made the Soviets intervene. The precipitating event was a military mutiny in Herat, a Shia city, and not a recipient of ISI/US help.
The Soviets of course claimed all sorts of things. Some of which have been retailed here by Jaq.
The Pakistani regime had its own agenda(s) and (controlled by the semi-independent ISI) was usually working at cross purposes to those of the US. They did everything they could, successfully, to control aid distribution and favor their own favorites among the Afghans. That is the gist of "The Bear Trap".
I blame in order:
Trump
Climate change
The parents.
Haven't read all the comments yet, anybody say they deserved what they got, "good and hard"?
"Jaq said...
OK, I will leave you with one last thought. Believe it or not, the Trojan War, the ten year siege of Troy, was not about some absconded bride,"
OK, that does it, now you've gone too far..
Jaq writes, "Believe it or not, the Trojan War, the ten year siege of Troy, was not about some absconded bride, it was about control of a bottleneck in the trade route to Asia."
Possibly. But there's little evidence supporting that interpretation. Given what we know, and that is remarkably scant, the conflict between the city-states of the Troad* and coalition lead by Mycenae was just as likely to have been over the slave trade that supported the state-run linen industry, the "women of Asia" referred to in the Pylos archive.
*Willusa, aka Troy, was by itself too small to have held out for more than a few weeks against a determined army, Homer himself acknowledges the existence of an anti-Achaean coalition when he uses the term Dardanoi in place of the Trojans.
I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.
I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.
Learn to swim.
See you down in Arizona Bay.
I don't see any point ragging on ordinary Afghanis--several hundred of which are now buried under rubble. As a nation the USA was sort of born on third base with abundant natural resources which we exploited--to our benefit.
Here's a Fun Fact from AI:
" No prime minister of Pakistan has yet served their full five-year term, despite the country having 29 prime ministers since 1947."
So, politically unstable from the start.
Kinda gives the lie to Jaq's claim that the US made it a hellhole.
Howard said...
I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.
9/1/25, 4:54 PM
Santa Cruz and Soquel underwater from climate change or tsunami before earthquake sends (us) Californicators into the Pacific.
WTH? Spelled Californicator wrong and Google corrected me.
Skeptical Voter said...
I don't see any point ragging on ordinary Afghanis--several hundred of which are now buried under rubble. As a nation the USA was sort of born on third base with abundant natural resources which we exploited--to our benefit.
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OK. Now explain Israel, established on scrub land and desert, yet 75 years later a rich, technologically-advanced nation.
If Afghans want to remain living in the 12th century, that's their choice.
“I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.”
Why do you think I remain in Arizona. Hoping for beach front property.
My reservoir of empathy for anyone not Jewish or possibly Christian in any Moslem country is nearly exhausted. People from the religion are attempting, with the help of western progressives and often western governments to conquer and subjugate the west. Best we force the ones residing in the west to go back to the Middle East, N. Africa, or Central Asia.
Earthquakes, maybe, but I blame war and poverty on men.
Calunicornia… tumbles into the sea
That’ll be the day I go back to Wickenburg
Howard said...
I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.
I won’t cheer, but neither will I open my wallet and send money for relief efforts. Not after learning that withholding state and federal aid to western North Carolina in the wake of Hurricane Helene was a deliberate strategy on the part of Governor Roy Cooper and the Biden White House to suppress the turnout in heavily Republican areas of the state in advance of the 2024 election. Not after finding out that Gavin Newsome took $100 million raised by FireAid for the victims of the Palisades and Eaton fires and gave it all to cronies.
Sow. Reap.
Well said, Big Mike!
I don’t want CA to fall into the ocean. My fantasy is that the earthquake creates another peninsula like Baja (with no fatalities). So they’ll have an ocean plus a doubling of ocean front properties and AZ will have ocean front properties.
"WTH? Spelled Californicator wrong and Google corrected me."
One should expect that whatever cyber-sentience that has awakened in Mountain View would have caught on by now, in the belly of the beast, as it were.
"Eva Marie said...
“I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.”
Why do you think I remain in Arizona. Hoping for beach front property.
9/1/25, 5:16 PM"
Well, actually, Pacifica California lost apartment complex during 2016 el nino.
Apartments acroos the street ended up with ocean view.
Landlords raised the rent.
https://www.nbcnews.com/slideshow/pacifica-cliff-erosion-forces-out-residents-precipice-n504891
A disturbing incident during the Soviet puppet regime period was the murder of the US ambassador in Feb 1979.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Adolph_Dubs
This incident is one of those for which Mitrokhin provided significant information in the 1990's.
Pakistan is not a hellhole as such. Its not a "failed state", its not Haiti or anything close. Parts of it are fairly prosperous, in a third world sort of way. It is a large, populous place so conditions vary, a lot. It was born on "first base" too, as it were, gifted with a huge fertile plain graced by extensive British-era irrigation works, and its share of the excellent British railroad system. It was the most prosperous part of British India.
What’s strange is that ocean front property wasn’t really valued till the 90s. Before all the hippies lived in the ocean front houses.
@FullMoon: Yikes
For a long time Pakistan was more prosperous than the rest of old British India (India and Bangladesh), only recently has it been beaten by both, India in 2004-ish and Bangladesh in @2016. I dont think anybody can reasonably blame its poorer economic performance on Afghanistan.
Btw, Bangladesh has been quite an economic surprise. A friend of mine worked there for a couple of years @15 years ago, and he thought it was a hopeless pit.
Inshallah
"What’s strange is that ocean front property wasn’t really valued till the 90s."
Maybe in some places but not in SoCal. I was looking for my first apartment in the early 70's and there's no way I could afford ocean front property.
I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California.
When the Great Earthquake—the proverbial “Big One”—hits California it ain't gonna be magnitude 6.
I can't help it now. Every crisis I must respond with the same affirmation, the same prayer. I sing out to the Most High beyond Naming, mine is the Rope of Presbyterian understanding, but calling to Sat chit ananda calls perfectly, rightly well, too I sing out the same song and the same words since that awful March 2020 when the dark gray shadow of covid spread across us I've been saying the same prayer.
May All Be Well.
May All Thrive Now.
thankfully, as I claim it now it seems my song joins the soaring Eagles prayers of who knows how many, and may that be so here on this matter now, May all Be Well.
Santa Cruz and Soquel underwater from climate change or tsunami before earthquake sends (us) Californicators into the Pacific.
It's a wishful-thinking myth that California could “slide into the sea” from an earthquake—or that “climate change” could drown much of the state. California has been around for a long time, through quakes far worse than humans have ever experienced—and it's still here. There was a meme recently circulating on X purporting to depict what “California” would look like after the glacial ice all melts (more than 10,000 years from now just for Greenland, but that's another story), however actually all it really showed was (lower-lying) Los Angeles.
Actually, California is mostly mountainous, and while coastal (and lower Central Valley) communities like Santa Cruz (and Sacramento) might need to move up into the (lower) hills—e.g., to Scotts Valley, in the case of the former—the state otherwise will be little affected by sea level rise.
"It's a wishful-thinking myth that California could “slide into the sea” from an earthquake..."
From the intertubes...
"The San Andreas Fault is a right-lateral strike-slip fault that forms the boundary between the Pacific Plate and the North American Plate. This means the two plates slide horizontally past each other, with the Pacific Plate moving northwest and the North American Plate moving southeast."
Eventually, Los Angeles will be next door to San Francisco but California is not going to slide into the sea.
Howard said...
"I can't wait to hear the cheers of joy from the loyal Althousians after the Great earthquake strikes California."
What makes you think anyone here wants that? Were we cheering the Pacific Palisade and Malibu fires?
Those thing effect real people. Real people get hurt.
Eventually, Los Angeles will be next door to San Francisco…
Well, sure. But as you observe, that's an entirely different thing. There's 1/2 half of the core of an old volcano in the Pinnacles (near Salinas), with the other half lying a couple of hundred miles south—neatly bisected by the San Andreas Fault (which is more than just a geologic “fault” but the Rift Zone separating tectonic plates).
“Eventually, Los Angeles will be next door to San Francisco but California is not going to slide into the sea.”
Yup. I took an intro to Geology course in the mid-80s. The professor was still really annoyed with the 1978 movie Superman because Lex Luthor’s scheme was to use nukes to trigger an earthquake in the San Andreas fault and make the west coast of California slide into the sea. Lex’s worthless inland property would now be worth billions as oceanfront property.
The prof said millions of years from now (50? 100? Don’t remember the exact number.) LA would be a suburb of Seattle. And used the point to lead into plate techtonics.
@Rusty, it’s called projection. Evidently Howard cheers when hurricanes smash into red state Florida and kills redneck crackers. He was positively giddy with delight when Helene was killing poor white GOP voters in western Nortj Carolina and eastern Tennessee. He simply assumes we’re as soulless as he is.
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