८ सप्टेंबर, २०२५

"Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh.. opined that race can be considered along with other factors in forming reasonable suspicion to stop someone for an immigration check..."

"... such as where people are gathering and what jobs they are working. 'To be clear, apparent ethnicity alone cannot furnish reasonable suspicion; under this Court’s case law regarding immigration stops, however, it can be a "relevant factor" when considered along with other salient factors,’ Kavanaugh wrote. The court’s three liberal justices sharply dissented. 'We should not have to live in a country where the Government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speaks Spanish, and appears to work a low wage job,' Justice Sonia Sotomayor wrote in the dissent. 'Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost, I dissent.'"

From "Supreme Court lifts limits on immigration raids in the Los Angeles area/The raids sparked major protests in Southern California. President Donald Trump deployed troops from the California National Guard and Marines in response" (WaPo).

१७९ टिप्पण्या:

rehajm म्हणाले...

Is it the first Monday in October already?

FormerLawClerk म्हणाले...

Of course, Kavanaugh didn't say to "seize anyone who looks Latino."

But if you look Latino, you're hanging out in the parking lot of a Home Depot every morning at 5am, taking rides from strangers out of that parking lot and showing up on construction sites to do random jobs like roofing or framing, then yeah bitches ... we're gonna ask you to produce your papers.

rehajm म्हणाले...

…well, good thing they ‘sharply’ dissented…

narciso म्हणाले...

sonya continues on her streak of removing all doubt

FormerLawClerk म्हणाले...

'Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost, I dissent.'"

Which she does from a sitting position. On her enormous ass. Why isn't Sotomayor on the front lines, standing a post, with a weapon? I certainly would be if my government were taking MY rights away.

The problem with the left is that their leaders are full of shit and sit idly by while their so-called "rights" are erased. Remember when they could murder their children freely? Not any more. If she had any real moral objection, she'd resign from the government that is taking her people's rights away.

But no, this pig has her snout firmly in the trough and will merely dissent, which requires zero effort or expectation of results.

RideSpaceMountain म्हणाले...

Muslim Men Carrying Duffelbags Near Subway React Strongly To Profiling That Foiled Tomorrow's Train Bombing.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

"Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost"

Supreme Sonia strewed over with hurts since 1997

n.n म्हणाले...

DEIsm is, unfortunately, a liberal legacy of our progressive culture with Democratic roots.

FullMoon म्हणाले...

How does a legal alien immediately prove he or she is legal?
Drivers license good enough?

If a white guy hanging around home d hoping for day work was asked to prove he is legal right now, or be arrested, how would he do it?

Is the stuff average Americans have in their wallet enough to prove we are citizens?

narciso म्हणाले...

A Tim Blairism, I miss his blog

n.n म्हणाले...

Statistical inference.

Peachy म्हणाले...

Biden built this.
Soros money built this.

WE want our nation back.
Legal Immigrants only.

If you crossed into our nation illegally - you need to go.
Whatever criteria lends itself to making that happen - is fine.
Even Progressive tears.
Legal immigration ONLY.

Leftists skip right by the illegal alien / illegal entrant of this reality.
If you entered illegally - you are here illegally.

john mosby म्हणाले...

In Chicago, they're not only profiling small brown people, they're profiling tall blond people (be careful if you go down there for the next Dylan show, Prof!). Because there is a huge amount of Polish and other Slavic illegal immigration.

Like Sipowicz (son of legal Poles) said, people, places, times. That's how cops put together a case.

When I was in Detroit doing surveillances, I used to get stopped for being a white guy in the 'wrong' neighborhood all the time. I fit the profile for a drug buyer or child molester. Or most likely, stuck out as five-oh, and the real police wanted to find out what I was doing. People, places, times. RR, JSM

WK म्हणाले...

I think she just needs to say “I dissent, dissent, I dissent”. Three times makes it stick.

rehajm म्हणाले...

‘opine’ does not seem an adjective for totalitarians…that’s a tell…

Peachy म्हणाले...

Benny crushes Geraldo - when Geraldo admits that it is illegal to enter our nation ILLEGALLY.

rehajm म्हणाले...

I think she just needs to say “I dissent, dissent, I dissent”. Three times makes it stick

…that just makes Warren’s moldy animated corpse apparate…

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

I'm curious as to what factors the dissenters felt were relevant and constitutionally permissible for ICE to follow when attempting to carry out their duties to enforce immigration laws. Language? Because that would work as an initial test. Although Canadian is quite similar to American.

Skeptical Voter म्हणाले...

ICE fishes where the fish are. It's been a long time since my Con Law class in law school in the mid 60s. But maybe our host might comment on whether and to what extent an "undocumented person" in the USA has the entire and absolute range of constitutional protections afforded a US Citizen.

tim maguire म्हणाले...

I have no problem with legal aliens having to prove they are legal under certain circumstances, but not so with citizens. One of the basic privileges of life in a free society is that law abiding citizens have a right to be free of police harassment. The reasonable suspicion standard should be higher than "can't find steady work." (I did stints as a day laborer in college, but I'm white so I had no fear of being stopped without my license handy.)

tim maguire म्हणाले...

FullMoon said...If a white guy hanging around home d hoping for day work was asked to prove he is legal right now, or be arrested, how would he do it?

Exactly. How would a citizen prove they are a citizen? Who carries their birth certificate around with them?

rehajm म्हणाले...

…notice the verb disparity- stop vs seize. Extreme language is the tell of a liar…

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

Is the stuff average Americans have in their wallet enough to prove we are citizens?

That's why I carry American Express. Never Leave Home Without It.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost, I dissent.' What "constitutional freedom" is lost here, exactly?

narciso म्हणाले...

she justs says words, that have no relation to reality,

PM म्हणाले...

"The White House reported in June 2025 that U.S. Border Patrol agents recorded 8,725 illegal crossings in May, a 93% decrease from May 2024."

Achilles म्हणाले...

Why did the Supreme Court think anyone wanted their opinion here? The legislature makes laws and the executive enforces them. It was never intended that the Supreme Court can usurp all power of the other branches and give the thumbs up or thumbs down on every single action we take in this country.

mccullough म्हणाले...

We shouldn’t have to live in a country with 30 million illegal aliens. But here we are.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Oh that's right, the Supreme Court probably had to step in because another leftist piece of shit pretending to be a judge stopped ICE from enforcing the laws as written.

We need to start jailing judges that make up bullshit to protect criminals.

Keldonric म्हणाले...

If you combine on-the-spot checks with restricting birthright citizenship, the only workable fix might be national ID cards.

Lance म्हणाले...

What "constitutional freedom" was lost when Roosevelt interned Japanese Americans?

Aaron म्हणाले...

Yes, a long time ago, merely showing your driver's license would easily be enough to satisfy ICE.

But then California gave illegals driver's licenses.

narciso म्हणाले...

well it was appealed, and bobs your uncle,

Howard म्हणाले...

Be careful what you wish for. Especially the erosion of the Fourth amendment. If they can go after the 4th amendment today, down the road, what do you think they're going to do to the second amendment after the next Democrat Senate stacks the supreme Court?

Hassayamper म्हणाले...

Is the stuff average Americans have in their wallet enough to prove we are citizens?

I carry a concealed weapons permit and a professional license that both require a thorough background check including legal residence. My phone contains scans of my passport, birth certificate, and a number of ATF form 4's and form 1's for certain Title II weapons that require an FBI background check, mug shot, and fingerprinting before they can be legally possessed.

Keldonric म्हणाले...

What’s a 16-year-old citizen supposed to carry, their birth certificate in a backpack?

mccullough म्हणाले...

Howard, the fourth amendment permits brief stops by police based on “reasonable suspicion.” The Supreme Court signed off on this in the 1960s. Reasonable suspicion is a lower standard than probable cause. There’s nothing new about allowing race to be considered with other facts as to whether law enforcement has reasonable suspicion. Just can’t be the only fact to support reasonable suspicion.

Hispanic; doesn’t speak English; looks mid 20s. That’s enough

mccullough म्हणाले...

When US citizens are in other countries we must show our passports when asked. If you don’t speak English and don’t have a passport, a visa, or a green card you are going to be arrested.

mccullough म्हणाले...

A 16-year-old citizen can speak English. Just tell ICE, “not gonna lie, I’m low-key ditching school today for my mental health.”

Biff म्हणाले...

To borrow a construction favored by the Left, it's nothing more than "common sense border control".

n.n म्हणाले...

then California gave illegals driver's licenses

The people who aided and abetted illegal immigration are a priori responsible.

Barbara म्हणाले...

Of the U.S. citizens that I have known to be stopped/detained by ICE, the minimum it took to prove citizenship was one hour in Fullerton (gardening while Hispanic) and the maximum was four days in upstate New York (riding a Harley while brown).

For my friend in NY, I think they knew he was a U.S. citizen long before the four days were up, but they just kept looking for something else they could charge him with.

Biff म्हणाले...

john mosby said...

"When I was in Detroit doing surveillances, I used to get stopped for being a white guy in the 'wrong' neighborhood all the time. I fit the profile for a drug buyer or child molester."

I was a graduate student at Columbia U's medical campus in the early 90s. For a couple of years, I commuted from NJ, which often meant late nights in the lab, followed by 2 AM trips across the George Washington Bridge. I lost count of how many times I was pulled over. One cop told me that if a guy looked like me, drove a beat up old pickup truck, and got on the bridge at 2 AM from the 178th Street ramp, he fit a certain profile and would get pulled over. I was annoyed every time it happened, but I also understood what was going on and respected the cops, so I was all "yes sir, no sir, and thank you, sir", like my dad taught me.

Yes, Ta-Nehisi Coates, white parents have "the conversation" with their sons, too.

Leland म्हणाले...

Let’s keep in mind that it is the mindset of these dissenting Justices that has the TSA strip searching grandmas on the airport.

narciso म्हणाले...

https://x.com/ERONewOrleans/status/1965097702817235188

WK म्हणाले...

Retired (officially) in July. Traveling this month. US. Italy. Portugal. Had to show real ID for air travel in US. Did a Pentagon tour in DC. Real ID and advance background check needed. Passports to enter UK (London) and Italy. Air BnB in Italy needed photo of passport (Rome and Sorrento). National park entry to Vesuvius said they wanted passports but didn’t ask on entry. Waiting to see what Portugal wants. Seems like every where else needs some proof of legality of entry.

Aggie म्हणाले...

As a white guy, I think the progressive justices should think harder and examine actual social behaviors before dissenting like reactive nincompoops.

What I would really like to know is the cross section of arrests and other stats on this program. Show us the trend of career criminals being arrested. Show us the trend of illegal alien working stiffs that are being arrested. Show us the actual deportation numbers. Let's set up a website with a counter, like the one for the national debt, or the population bomb, rollin' dem numbers over...

Aggie म्हणाले...

Today in 1943, Italy surrendered to the Allies, who had just slogged their way up the coast to Messina, with thousands of American deaths, thousands more English, thousands of Germans and even more Italians. I'm in Sicily today, and a bunch of old WWII Army jeeps in pristine restored condition went past us with Americans driving them, probably a dozen or so - on their way to Messina. No sign of the Brits. A few American flags are up today. Lots of fireworks displays tonight.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

“Is the stuff average Americans have in their wallet enough to prove we are citizens?“

I just keep a passport card in my wallet, I need it because Illinois screwed up and did not give me a real id. $20 bucks for 10 years. It also gives me two forms of government id which I needed once when I visited the pentagon. (Yes, I am that important woo whoo).

Mason G म्हणाले...

"Yes, a long time ago, merely showing your driver's license would easily be enough to satisfy ICE.

But then California gave illegals driver's licenses."


Democrats: Make it difficult to identify illegal aliens.
Also Democrats: Bitch when their inconveniences make things difficult for others.

If FJB had secured the border, this wouldn't be happening now. It's disingenuous to be blaming Trump for the impact of attempting to clean up Biden's mess.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Howard said...

Be careful what you wish for. Especially the erosion of the Fourth amendment. If they can go after the 4th amendment today, down the road, what do you think they're going to do to the second amendment after the next Democrat Senate stacks the supreme Court?

I am empathetic to this argument.

I am also empathetic for people killed by criminals.

"The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized."

Where we are is clearly too far to just letting obvious criminals create problems and hurt people. If you don't speak English then at this point it is entirely reasonable to ask for identification and proof of legal residence right now.

If there are entire communities many of who don't speak english who live in an area it is entirely reasonable to start investigating people of that ethnicity in that area.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

What percentage of illegal aliens are white, speak perfect English, and work low wage jobs?
How many of those also eat menudo?

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

"'Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost, I dissent.'"

Sonia has a point. How is a migrant supposed become an FTC Board member, if Trump keeps deporting them. It's a terrible injustice.

Barbara म्हणाले...

@aggie at 2:56
ICE is required to provide this type of information, and they do at https://www.ice.gov/statistics

Gospace म्हणाले...

Keldonric said...
What’s a 16-year-old citizen supposed to carry, their birth certificate in a backpack?


At 10 years old all my children had dependent ID cards issued by the military- and a wallet to carry them in. And when I retired from AD and moved to NY ensured all my children had official NYS ID cards with an ID number that subsequently became their learner permits then DL number. And the local schools issued photo student IDS in 5th grade or so.

If you have 16 year old children and haven't ensured they've been issued an official state ID- available from all states, you're doing parenting wrong. Age 10 is a good age to get them. Made it easier to walk over to Canada and back at Niagara Falls since they each had their own documentation.

n.n म्हणाले...

Should the President take a knee while Newsom fiddled and Bass strummed a DEIst cacophony as LA burned?

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

The new "Real I.D." is pretty hard to get, even for a citizen, and you need it to fly on an airline. I needed to show a birth cert., utility bills, etc. That should suffice.

A.I. says: "Undocumented individuals cannot obtain a REAL ID, as it requires proof of lawful status in the U.S. However, some states offer standard driver’s licenses that do not meet REAL ID requirements for undocumented.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

I'm OK with a national ID at this point. We've already lost any ability to be anonymous or off the government grid in the modern world. You already have a federal ID in some database, whether someone like Clapper admits it or not. It's just too easy to do now.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

"Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost"

Only bothered her if it was Latinos. That seems racist for a judge.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Bayes's theorem is legal again.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"That seems racist for a judge."

For a Democrat, what doesn't have a racial component?

Mr. T. म्हणाले...

We should not live in a country where judges deny firefighters just and equalbpromotions just because they are white.

But here we are.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Keldonric said...

If you combine on-the-spot checks with restricting birthright citizenship, the only workable fix might be national ID cards.

The point here is that local police need to know who is in their area of responsibility and be able to carry out their responsibilities there. You don't need constant ID checks.

If someone is illegally in an area for a year then the system has to be able to catch them at some point. There has to be a way for law enforcement to be able to check people who can reasonably be suspected of being illegal.

If the same person is being repeatedly asked for ID by the same department and they have evidence of legal residency that brings up other issues. But the barrier for checking someone every now and then doesn't need to be that high.

This is assuming that you actually want to remove illegal immigrants from the country. Democrats make a lot of money and have a lot of congressional seats because of illegals. They obviously don't want them removed.

Mr. T. म्हणाले...

"Howard said...
Be careful what you wish for. Especially the erosion of the Fourth amendment. If they can go after the 4th amendment today, down the road, what do you think they're going to do to the second amendment after the next Democrat Senate stacks the supreme Court?"


They were already doing that for the last four years under Merick Garland.

Iman म्हणाले...

Calunicornia’s a**hole of an AG, one Rob Bonta, is taking issue with the SCOTUS ruling, instead of doing his job.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

When they decide they want to drop a tradition or precedent and do something, Democrats don't care what Republicans did or didn't do in the past. The last 4 years should prove that to everybody.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

Imagine if Hillary had won in 2016. We now be reading the opinions of Chief Justice Kagan and how enforcement of the immigration laws is unconstitutional and an "assault on our liberties".

The Democrats and liberal/left establishment want everyone to be free from deportation the second they reach USA soil. NO matter what they do. And they don't want to secure the border or stop people from coming here illegally. The Liberals in Canada, and the Labour Government in England have the same position.

The 3 leftwing chicks on the SCOTUS have shown that Democrats don't care about the Constitution, tradition, or good Government. To them, the judiciary is just a weapon to impose the Leftwing agenda on the USA.

Clyde म्हणाले...

Round 'em up! Send 'em home!

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

And Gee, its nice to speculate about how we could better enforce the immigration laws, except the Democrats have zero desire to do that. Nor do they care about your "reasonable, compromise solution".

FullMoon म्हणाले...

Keldonric said...
What’s a 16-year-old citizen supposed to carry, their birth certificate in a backpack?


Know a woman born at home to unwed mother in 1950's.
Adopted, no birth certificate, no paperwork.
Lived with adopted parents in same home until 1st.marriage

Attended same school district kindergarten through 12th grade.

Had several jobs.
3 kids from first marriage. Divorced , remarried after a few years, had another child.

Divorced after 15 or so years.
Cannot get a birth certificate / Cannot get real id due to lack of birth certificate.

I searched net for help, even asked reddit. Turns out many older people are in same situation.

Tried get get info from govt but got no response.
This all right before covid lockdown , so things may have changed now.

FullMoon म्हणाले...

And, she is collecting social security from jobs she worked prior to age 65

Left Bank of the Charles म्हणाले...

Kavanaugh’s opinion is a concurrence so it isn’t law, except to the extent he has correctly summarized existing precedent, yet. He also cites common sense, but that is certainly lacking here:

“Moreover, as for stops of those individuals who are legally in the country, the questioning in those circumstances is typically brief, and those individuals may promptly go free after making clear to the immigration officers that they are U.S. citizens or otherwise legally in the United States.”

Let’s count the hat trick of dishonest weasel phrases:

1. Typically brief - except when not brief.

2. May promptly go free - “may” meaning possibly or possibly not.

3. Making clear to the immigration officers - in the subjective judgement of the immigration officers until the lawyer you will not be allowed to call can find out where you are to file a habeas corpus petition.

RCOCEAN II म्हणाले...

Nobody had a problem with Ike sending millions of Mexicans back to Mexico in the 1950s. They even called it "Operation wetback". All this crying over illegals being stopped by ICE, is just cover for their real position - which is no immigration laws and open borders.

Keldonric म्हणाले...

Gospace said...
At 10 years old all my children had dependent ID cards issued by the military- and a wallet to carry them in.


My kids had ID young too, for flying. The bigger question is whether we mandate it federally for everyone. That would make enforcement simpler, but it would also be a big cultural shift — when I grew up, hardly any kids had ID before they could drive. Things are definitely different now.

Jim at म्हणाले...

Sotomayor's nonsense is simply prep work for her appearance on Colbert this week.

Keldonric म्हणाले...

FullMoon said...
Know a woman born at home to unwed mother in 1950's.
Adopted, no birth certificate, no paperwork.


My own grandmother’s birth certificate from the early 1930s had her name wrong. She just lived under the name we all knew her by.

Everyone on the bayou knew my grandmother — we lived in a community of about 1,000. Nobody questioned who she was. I do not have knowledge of here experince with social security.

james म्हणाले...

"Be careful what you wish for. Especially the erosion of the Fourth amendment. If they can go after the 4th amendment today, down the road, what do you think they're going to do to the second amendment after the next Democrat Senate stacks the supreme Court?"

Is this the bargaining stage of grief Howard? That's at least the second thread today you've offered a version of that argument. While I'm touched by your concern for the welfare of the RWers here, I'll pass on the advice.

The left has no self-imposed limits. They've already repeatedly abused judicial and bureaucratic power routinely for the last 50-60 years. And salivating for more, like the SCOTUS stacking you brought up. They have made tit for tat the only viable option the right has left. That is on them. And you, for not emphatically opposing them.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Keldonric said...
Gospace said...
At 10 years old all my children had dependent ID cards issued by the military- and a wallet to carry them in.

My kids had ID young too, for flying. The bigger question is whether we mandate it federally for everyone. That would make enforcement simpler, but it would also be a big cultural shift — when I grew up, hardly any kids had ID before they could drive. Things are definitely different now.

Why do we need to take these steps? I agree it would be better to not require everyone to have ID. We all want a free high trust society.

The problem is a political party that lets millions of people come across the border so they can create extra congressional districts and get government welfare funding.

If you want that freedom back then you will need to do more than just deport the illegals. You will need to make sure they never have a chance to wield power again. A free high trust Society will never be possible with a Significant number of people who currently make up the Democrat party in the country.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"Tried get get info from govt but got no response."

U.S. DEPARTMENT of STATE — BUREAU of CONSULAR AFFAIRS website here:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html

offers a potential pathway for someone like you described.

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

The consideration of race is going to happen instantly and automatically in the visual cortex. If you say they can't consider race you're just saying they have to pretend and be dishonest. Somehow that always seems to make sense to the left.
Their race is why they were ushered in here in the first place. Now we have to pretend it wasn't.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Thurber on French Westerns

At any rate, two strangers had turned up in a small Western town and their actions had aroused the suspicions of a group of respectable citizens, who forthwith called on the sheriff to complain about the newcomers. The sheriff listened gravely for a while, got up and buckled on his gun belt, and said, "Alors, je vais demander sis cartes d'identite!

-That was an absurd misunderstanding of America when Thurber picked it out as laughable.

n.n म्हणाले...

Is it Critical Racists' Theory?
Is it DEIsm?
Is it Pro-Choice?

Perhaps something more rational, less prejudiced, and not a wicked solution of a progressive religion.

Keldonric म्हणाले...

@Achilles
The point here is that local police need to know who is in their area of responsibility and be able to carry out their responsibilities there. You don't need constant ID checks.


Granted, community policing isn’t my bailiwick. But where I grew up, under 90 people per square mile, everyone really did know each other. Scale it to a city with 30,000+ per square mile, and you’re talking about something totally different that would demand bureaucracy and resources well beyond what local police normally do.

I don’t see states allocating the resources for this — and in many cases, it’s not their policy to begin with. That’s their prerogative. Which means if you want systematic immigration checks, the pressure shifts to the federal level — and functionally that’s where you start moving toward a federal police and an internal-passport system.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

“Tried get get info from govt but got no response.
This all right before covid lockdown , so things may have changed now.“

It sounds like she may need to consult an adoption or immigration attorney, even though that will cost money. If there was an attending physician at birth then there must be a certificate, if not and the birth was just private then no one could prove they were born in the us unless there were living witnesses.

As a wild possibility, she may be able to apply to be a naturalized citizen, your local congressman might be able to help with that.

FormerLawClerk म्हणाले...

"Who carries their birth certificate around with them?"

I do. Effectively. I had to produce it to get a driver's license. So effectively, my driver's license is proof that I produced a US birth certificate and that I'm a legal citizen.

This is PRECISELY why Democrats refuse to allow states they control to require a driver's license or other similar ID in order to vote.

They'd never win another election for even dog catcher.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Paul Simon's best song ever, Trailways Bus

The border patrol outside of Tucson boarded the bus
Any aliens here? You better check with us
How about you son?
You look like you got spanish blood
Do you habla ingles, am i understood?

Yes, i am an alien, from mars
I come to earth from outer space
And if i traveled my whole life
You guys would still be on my case
You guys would still be on my case

Mary Beth म्हणाले...

Tried get get info from govt but got no response.

Has she tried contacting the office of her Congressional representative?

Hassayamper म्हणाले...

Cannot get a birth certificate / Cannot get real id due to lack of birth certificate.

All jurisdictions have some mechanism for handling these cases. It typically involves sworn affidavits from multiple family members or other people who have known the individual and his or her family for some period of time. School records, medical records, census records, and so on can also be checked. It is a pain, especially if someone is a drifter or hermit with no friends or family, but it's possible. As time goes by and the pre-war generation goes extinct, these cases will become less and less common until they are almost unheard of.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

I don't have real id. But I was last on an airplane in 1985, People Express $25.

Enigma म्हणाले...

Pinocchio wanted to be a real boy. Pinocchio's nose grew when he lied. DEI hires want to be real capable. DEI hires lie when they pretend to be real capable.

DEI hires lie because they lose everything if they tell the truth. Denial ain't just a river in Egypt.

FullMoon म्हणाले...

Mason G said...
"Tried get get info from govt but got no response."

U.S. DEPARTMENT of STATE — BUREAU of CONSULAR AFFAIRS website here:

https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/passports/how-apply/citizenship-evidence.html

offers a potential pathway for someone like you described.


THANKS for that. quick check looks like it will be almost simple.
Wish I had this info sooner.
She has an adult son in another state and cannot fly to see him.
This could actually be life changing for her.

FullMoon म्हणाले...

I'm so happy, ima give a homeless person 10 bucks and tell them "thank Mason G."

FullMoon म्हणाले...

Maybe just 5.

Skeptical Voter म्हणाले...

On national IDs--and on "unreasonable" interrogations.
Your Social Security Number is a sort of national ID these days. When the Social Security Act was passed in ~1937 the Congressional proponents swore that the social security number would never be used for identification purposes.
In the summer of 1969 I was going through basic training at Ft. Polk Louisiana. When I started training in May of 1969 we were issued boots--with an identification number and label sewn inside. If you were a National Guardsman, the number started with "NG". If an enlistee, the number started with "RA". If you were a draftee, the number started with "US". In August that year, all those labels were scrapped--your new identification number was your Social Security number. So much for Congressional promises that such would never happen.

I won't even get to the sort of wry laughter I had when my 71 year old wife underwent 30 minutes of Kabuki theatre by TSA agents at the Detroit airport. We were flying home--I passed through easily. My wife didn't--she had an Epi Pen (need to have one with you at all times if you are subject anaphylactic reactions). It took three agents, two supervisors and maybe a seeing eye dog before she was allowed to pass through the security gate. We had plenty of time to make our departure gate, so I could watch and chuckle about it all. They obviously don't hire Wise Latinas for those positions.

tim maguire म्हणाले...

FormerLawClerk said...
"Who carries their birth certificate around with them?"

I do. Effectively. I had to produce it to get a driver's license


No. You may have chosen to use your birth certificate as ID when you got your driver’s license, but you did not have to. And you do not have to be a citizen to get a driver’s license. A driver's license is not proof of legal residence.

Joe Bar म्हणाले...

What about those 500 South Koreans they just found in Georgia? Heck, I'm part Japanese. Should I be scared?

Paddy O म्हणाले...

"No. You may have chosen to use your birth certificate as ID when you got your driver’s license, but you did not have to."

I had to (or a valid passport) when I got my CA real ID.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

Kavanaugh says racism is allowed by our constitution.

So what?

It's hard to think of anything that could be less surprising.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

"What about those 500 South Koreans they just found in Georgia? Heck, I'm part Japanese. Should I be scared?"

I thought you were going to write: 'Heck, I'm part Japanese. In the past, my people raped and murdered Koreans, so it could be worse for them.'

You went a different way.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

You people arguing that we should not be able to go outside w/o our papers are BAD! Americans. This is (for now) the land of the free. If nothing else, everyone should be able to go about doing stuff w/o papers.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"You may have chosen to use your birth certificate as ID when you got your driver’s license, but you did not have to."

That probably depends on where you live. In Idaho, you don't need to use your birth certificate unless you're applying for Real ID + drivers license. Otherwise, it's just a regular drivers license, no Real ID.

"And you do not have to be a citizen to get a driver’s license. A driver's license is not proof of legal residence."

Again, it probably depends. In Idaho, you don't have to be a citizen to get a license but you can't get one if you're in the country illegally. If you're able to get a license here, having it is pretty good evidence that you're here legally.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"This is (for now) the land of the free. If nothing else, everyone should be able to go about doing stuff w/o papers."

*cough*Covid passports*cough*

le Douanier म्हणाले...

BTW, did you DJT idiots recently hear that DJT is now saying that the big, beautiful impact of his economic policies is not going to be until 2027?

TDS, akaTrump Derange Syndrome is the label for you brain dead morons that eat never ending plates of shit as DJT shoves them down your throats. SAD!

Carry on.

gilbar म्हणाले...

The court’s three liberal justices sharply dissented. 'We should not have to live in a country where the Government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speaks Spanish, and appears to work a low wage job,'

she's got a GOOD POINT!
maybe we could issue SPECIAL CARDS that would state that the barer is a legal resident that can legally work?
we could call them, i don't know? green light cards?
maybe even make them THAT color?

i mean.. That is SO CRAZY, that it MIGHT JUST WORK!

le Douanier म्हणाले...

"*cough*Covid passports*cough*"

Right! That was a show your papers situation that applied to everyone. It was not good.

Now the show your papers demand is based on racism. Way worse.

Iman म्हणाले...

le dou dou…

Mason G म्हणाले...

"Now the show your papers demand is based on racism."

No, it's based on country of birth. Not way worse.

n.n म्हणाले...

Racism? DEIsm? Critical Race Theory? There is no evidence to believe this would progress to those extremes.

Goldenpause म्हणाले...

If you’ve got a Real ID drivers license (which everyone who drives and is in the country legally should have by now), what’s the problem? Oh, that would be way too easy for a Democrat to understand.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Le Douche, I don't think you are going to survive the end of Trump's second term. Just think- you might have to also live through 8 years of President Vance, too.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

Mason,

I don't have a perfect handle on where things land on the spectrum of worse-ness re the government having it's agents looking at people that are in public in America, and deciding which of those people have physical characteristics such that those particular people should be approached so they can be asked for papers.

IMHO, the government should--in no way, shape or form--have the power to use skin color and occupation as a justification to ID people.

If there's a car wash that hires illegals in L.A., go after the books of the Americans that are hiring the illegals. Use that to get to the workers. But, especially through the book at the people that hire the illegals. Then you are REALLY sending the message that working illegally in the States isn't a good idea. I.e., if you scare Americans from hiring illegals you get more bang for the buck re scaring the illegals that come here because they are extremely desperate, and have not other options.

But, going after the folks that hire illegals is going after the Republican Party. Hence DJT don't do that.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

We are told that whites in South Africa are victims because they are targeted for their skin color.

How about we all agree that in America we will not allow the government to target people based on their skin color? Even if the color is brown or white.

Bob B म्हणाले...

FullMoon said...

If the State Department can’t promptly resolve it, contact her Congresscritter. They have aides that assist in matters like this.

n.n म्हणाले...

People are not being targeted following DEIst (e.g. racism, sexism) dogmatic principles, which is the lowest form of critical theory.

Mason G म्हणाले...

White people in South Africa are being targeted and killed because they're white.

Brown people in America are being targeted and sent home because they're here illegally, not because they're brown. The ones here legally are free to stay.

"Both sides", right?

Leland म्हणाले...

I'm old enough to remember when Democrats required I get a vax shot and then carry around the paperwork to prove that I got the vax shot in order to work and travel any distance. I still have that paperwork.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Since we already have RealID for flying, it should be made the standard for all licenses to drive, too, and definitely to vote.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"If there's a car wash that hires illegals in L.A., go after the books of the Americans that are hiring the illegals. Use that to get to the workers. But, especially through the book at the people that hire the illegals."

So- some sort of positive ID test in order to get a job. Kind of like the ID checks we have for voting, then?

Wait... nevermind.

FullMoon म्हणाले...

Bob B said...
FullMoon said...

If the State Department can’t promptly resolve it, contact her Congresscritter. They have aides that assist in matters like this.'

Thanks for that.

Jim at म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Duty of Inquiry म्हणाले...

Real ID would be great if we could trust states like California to follow the rules when they issue them.

Jim at म्हणाले...

Deleted my prior comment because the point was already made. And it's not worth responding to an asshole like LaDouche.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Hardin: Nice of Paul Simon to ridicule the border patrol. His family got here in the classic age of immigration, then were able to have a decent living as educators and musicians in NYC during the 40-year period when we shut off immigration. Paul could start his high-risk music career just before the floodgates opened again. Bet he wouldn't have liked it if the folkie coffeehouse stages were full of real folk musicians from the 3rd world taking the gigs Americans wanted to do. RR, JSM

Mason G म्हणाले...

"THANKS for that. quick check looks like it will be almost simple."

Hope it is, glad to help. Good luck!

le Douanier म्हणाले...

Mason,

FTR, I do know the difference between "through" and "throw."

But, to your point, I will say that it felt odd the first time I (as a wee kid) voted (in WA) when the voting people said that I didn't need any ID.

Nowadays in WA we do it by mail. And it is much more rigorous than it was when we didn't use the mail!

In fact my vote in the primary for the last POTUS election was threwn (ha!) out because a bit after I mailed the ballot in, I got a letter saying that my signature on the outside of the ballot envelope didn't match my signature on file so I needed to go threw (ha!, again) a bunch of hoops so I could get my vote counted.

I skipped the hassle re going threw (I know, it's getting old) the hoops to get my vote counted, hence my vote was not counted because I'm too lazy.

Plus I voted third party so my vote wouldn't matter anyway.

gilbar म्हणाले...

How would a citizen prove they are a citizen? Who carries their birth certificate around with them?

have you LOOKED at your drivers license lately?
mine IS a birth certificate.. you NEED it to fly

JAORE म्हणाले...

A few hundred Koreans were just picked up in Georgia. Doesn't count? Oh they are POC?
Makes sense.
When will that Damn Trump go after the throngs of Swedes we saw streaming across the border during the Biden years?

le Douanier म्हणाले...

Jim,

Thanks for explaining why you deleted your comment. It's very important that this thread knows your explanation.

It seems that you imagined the despair that would have happened in the minds of the readers here if you had not added a comment that explained why you deleted your comment?

We were all spending a lot of mental energy thinking about why you deleted your comment.

Your typed words here are very, very important. We all wonder why some of those words would ever leave us.


Loons are as loons do.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"And it is much more rigorous than it was when we didn't use the mail!"

I doubt it.

When you vote in person, you're handed a ballot after having your ID confirmed, which you take to a voting booth. Once you're done voting, you return the ballot and it's deposited in a box to be counted later. It's clear that nobody other than you marked that ballot.

When you vote by mail, how can anyone confirm who marked the ballot? Obviously, nobody can.

You say mail-in voting is more rigorous than in person voting with ID confirmation? Ok- I'm willing to be convinced. Explain how.

MikeD म्हणाले...

When they have use the dissent from the second dumbest Justice in SCOTUS history, you gotta believe their opinion is a failed argument! BTW, Jackson saved Sotamayor from being history's dumbest.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

Mason,

Assuming it is required (which it wasn't when I voted in-person in WA), in-person ID is easy to fake. The dopey volunteer people that run polling places are way less skilled at reading IDs than a meathead bouncer.

With mail voting, you know that the voter got the ballot where they live, and there is a public paper trail so if they got ballots at a bunch of their houses (assuming folks have a lot of houses), the conflict would be obvious. Plus there is the signature verification. I know that check is a legitimate process because it caught me on the last POTUS primary election, and I didn't do the follow up to get my vote to count after the polling people said that my signature didn't match the one of file (though it was me.) Hence my vote was tossed.

And, we are always going to have remote voting for the military that are not at home. And likewise there needs to be a way for Americans to vote when they are not home. Like DJT voting absentee. Also, it is disgusting to see that some places in the country have so few polling places that working folks must stand in line for hours as they try to get into vote at the end of the day after they've put in a day of work. IMHO, it is evil to make it hard for working people to vote.

I've moved many, many hundreds of millions of dollars online. I'm sure we can find a way to have Americans vote remotely that is secure.

If my Starbucks had a line of one I would never go there. In fact, I only online order because I refuse to wait for one second for my coffee. It is purposeful evil that makes some Americans stand in a line for hours to vote.

wildswan म्हणाले...

Real ID requires paperwork which shows you are a citizen. So there's an easy way to carry the equivalent of a birth certificate.
But suppose we wanted a wise Latina on the Supreme Court? How would we find one? I guess it's easy to find someone wise but under Sotomayor's restrictions, i.e., don't go by looks or language, how would we ever find a Latina?

le Douanier म्हणाले...

"Real ID requires paperwork which shows you are a citizen. So there's an easy way to carry the equivalent of a birth certificate."

Yes, we can all carry this.

But in the land of the free, the government shouldn't include your skin color as a justification for making you show your papers. Skin color is not a crime, unless you have a racist mindset.

imTay म्हणाले...

A Mexican driver’s license is perfectly legal to drive in America, not sure what purpose giving a US license is outside of deception.

imTay म्हणाले...

Where is the “skin color is a crime “ part? If it came down to skin color alone, then that’s one thing, but if you have to exaggerate, what does that say about your argument?

Mason G म्हणाले...

Setting aside the rest of your argument for the moment...

"Plus there is the signature verification. I know that check is a legitimate process because it caught me on the last POTUS primary election..."

If somebody other than you marked that ballot, would those votes have counted?

Left Bank of the Charles म्हणाले...

The Catch-22 of Real ID is that while you as a U.S. citizen have to provide proof of your U.S. citizenship to get one, the Real ID drivers license you are issued is not proof of your citizenship. That’s because certain categories of noncitizens are also eligible to get a Real ID if they provide the required documentation for their situation, and the ID issued doesn’t differentiate by status.

Real ID is supposed to be proof of lawful status, but don’t think it’s a get out of jail free card. ICE can just say it looks fake, or that it doesn’t look like you, and next thing you know you may be on the plane to Uganda.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

"ICE can just say it looks fake, or that it doesn’t look like you, and next thing you know you may be on the plane to Uganda."

That would be funny if a lot of people didn't actually believe it.

gspencer म्हणाले...

The Court has just allowed a route that the lefties should be happy with - the totality of the circumstances is a holistic approach.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"ICE can just say it looks fake, or that it doesn’t look like you, and next thing you know you may be on the plane to Uganda."

You can still vote by mail, right?

Peachy म्हणाले...

CNN continues to commit suicide.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

'We should not have to live in a country where the Government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speaks Spanish, and appears to work a low wage job,'

She's right, we shouldn't

And when the Dems stop violating the hell out of US immigration law and stop letting all those hispanic illegals in, and when Trump gets the ones here all deported, we won't.

But until then, we're going to enforce the law, and your hatred of that fact, Sonia, is irrelevant

Mason G म्हणाले...

"And when the Dems stop violating the hell out of US immigration law and stop letting all those hispanic illegals in..."

If you know there have been massive numbers of illegals entering the country from Mexico, Central and South America, how idiotic is it to not consider that fact when looking for them?

It's almost like some desire that they not be caught.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

"If somebody other than you marked that ballot, would those votes have counted?"

100% No! The votes would not have counted if somebody else had marked them.

I myself did actually mark my votes on that ballot, and my votes were not counted! Even though I did mark them.

If ya want the details, okay: I always keep my mail-in ballot until Election Day, I don't send it early. I don't want to lock myself in before Election Day because who knows what could change between me sending in the ballot and Election Day So I wait until Election Day, then on this particular Election Day (during the POTUS primary in WA) I filled out my ballot and dropped it off at an official vote collection box (those boxes sort of look like a reinforcd USPS mail box.)

A bit later, maybe a week or so, I got mail from the WA state vote counting folks saying that I needed to do something (I don't recall exactly what the process was because I didn't care about my vote, I voted third party so it didn't mater) related to the office building where the county government is based because my signature on file didn't match my signature on my ballot envelope [BTW, in WA you must put your anonymous ballot in a provided envelope when you send it in, this outer envelope requires a signature on it so the election people can confirm that the ballot inside is from a legitimate voter before it is counted. I am a sloppy writer, not to mention that I sign my name on stuff many dozens of times a day (on average) so I focus more on speed than consistency re my signature. Anywho, it is not surprising that the election officials determined that my signature looked suspicious, so they didn't count my vote.]

Hence, my vote wasn't counted. And if someone else tried to send in my ballot with a fake signature, their vote wouldn't have counted either. Plus if a fake person sent in my ballot, the county would have contacted me to ask why my signature didn't match the one they have recorded. Just as they contacted me to ask why my legitimate signature didn't match the one they have recorded.

Mason G म्हणाले...

100% No! The votes would not have counted if somebody else had marked them.

Explain how it would be known that you didn't mark a ballot submitted with your signature.

Mason G म्हणाले...

Forget the fake signature scenario or the hurried signature that doesn't match.

Explain how it can be confirmed that a ballot you submit with your signature on the envelope that is accepted as legitimate was actually marked by you.

It can't.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

"If you know there have been massive numbers of illegals entering the country from Mexico, Central and South America, how idiotic is it to not consider that fact when looking for them?"

You got it backwards, it is not idiotic to not allow the government to use skin color as a justification for the government accosting people.

It is idiotic to allow the government to start using skin color as a justification for accosting people. For people that don't have a racist mindset, looking brown is not a crime.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

Mason,

They send one ballot to my house.

I send it in, and if my signature matches (according to them) it counts.

Do you think I could photocopy my ballot and send it in a hundred times with my matching signature a hundred times?

Or do you think a bandit steals my ballot and then they send it in with some meth-head signature and somehow that is allowed to count, even though my legitimate signature didn't get through the screening process during the last POTUS primary? Not to mention, that if my ballot is stolen, I will tell the county that my ballot was stolen and I need a new one, which I'm sure would put a laser focus on anything w/ my name on it. Since they already blocked my vote when it was legitimate.

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

OK. So if the government can't SEIZE people, like the Phillies Karen did to Birthday Dad, are they allowed to QUESTION people regarding their citizenship?

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

@Boatbuilder "Although Canadian is quite similar to American." Nope! Frosties can be immediately sniffed out by their perverse use of upspeak.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"They send one ballot to my house.

I send it in, and if my signature matches (according to them) it counts."


That doesn't confirm that YOU marked the ballot. This scenario (presenting for counting a ballot that you did not mark) does not happen with in-person voting.

You claimed voting by mail is more rigorous than in-person voting. Explain what you mean by "rigorous".

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

"rhhardin said...
I don't have real id. But I was last on an airplane in 1985, People Express $25."

Totally in character. :)

Dr Weevil म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Dr Weevil म्हणाले...

It is in fact idiotic or dishonest to say that this decision "allow [s]the government to start using skin color as a justification for accosting people". Race is not skin color, and not all that closely correlated with it. Suppose ICE is looking for Mexican illegals, and they see three guys standing in front of Home Depot, who happen to have skin that is exactly the same shade of café au lait. Suppose further that other features (e.g. hair texture) indicate that one is very likely a light-colored African American or an Ethiopian, one is a darker-than-average Cambodian, and one is an average-shade Mexican, are they going to question all three because they're equally brown? Or are they going to question the one that looks Mexican and leave the other two alone, because they are in fact looking for Mexicans and don't have time to waste? The answer is obvious, and the accusation that they are discriminating by skin color is therefore false.

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

@ Gilbar - There is already the I-9 requirement, that applies to large and small employers alike :
https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/forms/i-9.pdf

Cameron म्हणाले...

In this day and age is it really onerous to carry a photo of your passport or birth certificate on your phone if you live in an area with high rates of illegal immigration and you match the general profile of those illegal immigrants ? If I were in that situation that's what I'd do.

le Douanier म्हणाले...

"You claimed voting by mail is more rigorous than in-person voting. Explain what you mean by "rigorous"."


To me rigorous means more thorough. In my state (WA), my in-person voting was always EZPZ. There was a few geezers running the operation and they gave me my ballot and had me sign a piece of paper next to my name. If I was up to no good I could have come in with a low level film flam ID (not that that was required back in the day) and I could have put an "X" next to my name to represent my signature. No problem, it could have been fraudpalooza.

But now, my ballot literally gets delivered to me directly. And I can verify that the vote counting folks are very carefully evaluating the matchy-ness of my signature when I send it back to them. Because, as I've mentioned over and over and over, but your brain can't quite grasp yet, they rejected my ballot because the signature on the outer envelop of my ballot didn't match the signature on file. They did offer me a process associated with the county government building so I could get my ballot to count. But I skipped that. My vote was not counted.

Cameron म्हणाले...

"A Mexican driver’s license is perfectly legal to drive in America, not sure what purpose giving a US license is outside of deception." I'm open to being corrected but for one, you need an American commercial drivers licence for some purposes. Secondly the scam was to auto register for voting while issuing the drivers licence - the end goal was adding to the voter role, not to give the person a drivers licence.

gadfly म्हणाले...

Justice Sonia Sotyamayor obviously resides in the Slide Mountain Wilderness in the Catskills where she sucks on mushrooms which contain psilocybin, a hallucinogenic compound that can cause people to see, hear or feel things that do not exist.

Who could possibly ever believe in the rights of the Constitution that purport to point to not having to live in a country where the Government can seize anyone who looks Latino, speaks Spanish, and appears to work a low wage job?

So our juiced-up justice wrote: "Rather than stand idly by while our constitutional freedoms are lost, I dissent." without first asking, "Mother, May I?"

G. Poulin म्हणाले...

So the Supreme Court has decided to spend more time in the real world, and less time in liberal la-la land. About time.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

I love how Sotomayor just ignores what the majority wrote in favor of her leftist fever dream of what she FEELS like it means. LOL she is really giving Ketanji a run for her title of most histrionic of all the lefties.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

So race SHOULD BE a factor in employment and education admissions but should NOT be a factor in law enforcement decisions? Is that really the baby-splitting that progressives are going to run with?

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Congrats to LLR Chuck for acquiring a new unpronounceable handle. Too bad his takes still suck. In answer to FullMoon’s silly first post, if a “migrant” is here LEGALLY they are legally required to have their green card on their person at all times in public. And yes even law abiding white guys like me have been stopped and asked to produce ID.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

NOT producing a green card when asked by ICE or LEO is grounds for arrest. Almost all parents now create a Social Security account and acquire a number for newborns, since it is required for government benefits, so most 16-year-olds are easily identifiable by name & address, through which a cop could verify ID. Like most here, I had a CADL as soon as I turned 16. Also I never hung around Home Depot looking for day labor jobs, so there is the behavioral aspect to consider, as the majority obviously did.

gilbar म्हणाले...

so, when one address (a PO BOX), has Over a hundred names registered to THAT address.. It's STILL rigorous ?
HOW?

gilbar म्हणाले...

.."I always keep my mail-in ballot until Election Day.."

say you're committing voter fraud, without using those words.

Ronald J. Ward म्हणाले...

MJB, a white guy being asked for ID is an inconvenience — annoying, but usually brief and without serious consequence.

But masked men rounding up detaining people for days in the most inhumane conditions based solely on appearance or speech while they “validate” that ID is something entirely different — a profound deprivation of liberty that borders on extrajudicial abduction..

Leland म्हणाले...

So race SHOULD BE a factor in employment and education admissions but should NOT be a factor in law enforcement decisions? Is that really the baby-splitting that progressives are going to run with?

Worth repeating.

I should note that Democrats pushed eVerify under Obama, which requires employers to “ask for papers” to verify a person legal status to work. This wasn’t controversial until Democrats decided they want to employee people under the table so they can also pay them less and hire them younger. If employers were required to follow the law, then immigrants would not find jobs and stay home. But when ICE showed up to employers, Democrats freaked out as we saw in California. It didn’t matter how many laws that employer broke, Democrats complained and protested. Why? Because the employer donated heavily to Newscum to be protected.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

If there's a car wash that hires illegals in L.A., go after the books of the Americans that are hiring the illegals. Use that to get to the workers. But, especially through the book at the people that hire the illegals."

So you determine that the car wash is hiring "illegals," presumably because they don't have proper records. How do you determine which employees are illegal?

The employer is committing a crime. The illegal employee is present in violation of immigration laws, and therefore should be deported. How do you accomplish this without identifying who the illegal employee is?

Achilles म्हणाले...

le Douanier said...

Hence, my vote wasn't counted. And if someone else tried to send in my ballot with a fake signature, their vote wouldn't have counted either. Plus if a fake person sent in my ballot, the county would have contacted me to ask why my signature didn't match the one they have recorded. Just as they contacted me to ask why my legitimate signature didn't match the one they have recorded.

It is hilarious to watch Democrats pretend Washington is not a corrupt one party state.

Nobody gets to audit King County. The counties next to it have fallen into corruption too. The entire Everett to Olympia corridor is full of illegals and homeless encampments and King County Democrats vote for all of them.

Of course they want all of the real voters to go through a process to vote. That makes their homeless voter farming more effective.

Everyone in the State hates Seattle. They all want Seattle to leave them alone. The rest of the state would separate from King-Pierce-Snohomish by 70%.

Rusty म्हणाले...

Joseph....
", I need it because Illinois screwed up."
The state motto.
They are the most ponderous and confusing to use websites in existence.
To get a real ID I either had to go downtown,(sure), or drive to Marion where there were openings. I live in the Fox Valley.
"Call before 6:30 AM and get an appointment." Uh, no. Even if somebody answers you're put on hold and then immediately hung up on.
On their website you go to the page that has the list of all the DMVs. All the ones near you are booked for days, weeks, months in advance. Rather than going back, there is a list of options at the top of the page. Select "other options". This will take you to the real list of DMVs with open times. I got an appointment at noon the next day in Elgin a half hour drive from my house. I got there 40 minutes early and they took me right away.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"Because, as I've mentioned over and over and over, but your brain can't quite grasp yet, they rejected my ballot because the signature on the outer envelop of my ballot didn't match the signature on file."

Are you being intentionally obtuse? I'm not asking you about your flipping signature. For the purpose of this discussion, I DON"T CARE ABOUT THE SIGNATURE. You continue to refuse to address the issue.

I am asking you how the people confirming the signatures are also confirming that the person who signed the envelope is the same person who marked the ballot.

You're not answering because you know they can't do it. And that's the point- if you're not confirming that the person marking the ballot is the same person who the ballot was intended for, the system invites fraud. Are you in favor of a voting system that invites fraud?

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

You talking to me?

MJB, a white guy being asked for ID is an inconvenience — annoying, but usually brief and without serious consequence.

But masked men rounding up detaining people for days in the most inhumane conditions based solely on appearance or speech ...


At that point my bullshit overload gauge exploded and stopped copying your text. So I've bolded the stupidest part, the fictional thing you crazy crime-defending idiots keep saying without EVER producing proof. Not only no proof, no victims, no crying sob stories --

Except the ones early on that ICE completely debunked with evidence every time, showing the perp WAS purposely targeted. THOSE videos were easy to find. WITNESS testimony of your fancifully virtuous brown guys? None. Not one. Lawyers are lining up waiting to get this case. Why no suits?

Bruce Hayden म्हणाले...

First, despite the absurd dissent this decision wasn’t on the merits, but rather reversed an injunction. What is controversial is that the Supreme Court had to do so in the first place. It’s a nation wide injunction, and was issued despite not fitting in the special circumstances.

Two things appear to have been involved in the majority opinion. First, the dissent essentially ignored the irreparable harm to the rest of the country, of the injunction. They just looked at the cost of false positives. Also, this was not an AS Applied, but rather essentially a Facial challenge, where the burden is significant for the party requesting relief. On the flip side, and essentially ignored by the dissent, is the Likelihood of Success (the other equitable factor looked at by Kavenaugh). It is low, because it is a single District Court (out of ~900) issuing a nationwide injunction. The lower courts essentially tried to bind ICE in every judicial district in the country. They don’t have that power.

The ICE practice forbidden by the reversed injunction was little different that a long SCOTUS accepted “Terry Stop”. No one credibly explained why Terry Stops are allowed, and these stops wouldn’t be.

What they ignored is that with an Immigration Terry Stops, most native born citizens can be immediately cleared through their speech. Most speak English as a first language. Yes, you can often hear an accent in the second generation, but they still speak English as a primary language. With many of the new illegals, especially from Central and N South America, English is their 3rd language, and Spanish is their 2nd language. Add in Indio, and not European, coloring with being in a group of Hispanics (in a Home Depot parking lot, etc) and the odds are very high that the person is a recent immigrant, and thus bears further scrutiny.

Fred Drinkwater म्हणाले...

Regarding employment of illegals, in California an employer must accept documents supplied by potential employees. The employer is merely a neutral conduit between the employee and whatever government verification is involved.
Obviously, employing under the table, without any verification, should be easier to prosecute, and should be.

Mason G म्हणाले...

"Add in Indio, and not European, coloring with being in a group of Hispanics (in a Home Depot parking lot, etc) and the odds are very high that the person is a recent immigrant, and thus bears further scrutiny."

But using your eyes and your intelligence to evaluate the evidence right there in front of your face is raaaaaaacist.

Marc in Eugene म्हणाले...

My driving license expires this month and am having to decide whether to pay to get the Real ID or pay $30 less for the Oregon license. I've not flown anywhere since ~2012 and it's most unlikely that I'll need to before the next renewal in 2030, so am debating whether I want to spend the money now. I wonder what percentage of US citizens don't fly in a year; the estimate of 50%-60% was the first one that the Internet returned.

glacial erratic म्हणाले...

Hmmm. That "relevant factor" sounds familiar. I think I've heard it in another context. Something about college admissions, possibly? Using race as a "relevant factor"?

The left seemed okay with it then.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Ronald J. Ward said...
MJB, a white guy being asked for ID is an inconvenience — annoying, but usually brief and without serious consequence.

But masked men rounding up detaining people for days in the most inhumane conditions based solely on appearance or speech while they “validate” that ID is something entirely different — a profound deprivation of liberty that borders on extrajudicial abduction..


Then you should have thought about that when you all decided to illegally ignore immigration law, and let millions of illegals in.

Here's the deal: If you're not bound by the law, neither are we.

If it's ok for you to let in millions of illegals, to come to America and drive real Americans out of jobs, rape them, robe them, murder them, then it's ok for US to do WHATEVER is necessary to deport them all.

If you don't want us to do that, don't let them in.

If you want the law followed when it protects you, you have to follow it when you hate it

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