१३ सप्टेंबर, २०२५
"Charlie always believed that God's design for marriage and the family was absolutely amazing.... Over and over he would tell all these young people to come and find their future spouse..."
"... become wives and husbands and parents, because he wanted you all to experience what he had and still has. He wanted everyone to bring heaven into this earth through the love and joy that comes from raising a family.... My husband laid down his life for me, for our nation, for our children; he showed the ultimate and true covenantal love.... I honestly have no idea what any of this means — I know that God does, but I don't — but Charlie, baby, I know you do too. So does our Lord.... The evildoers responsible for my husband's assassination have no idea what they have done. They killed Charlie because he preached a message of patriotism, faith, and of God's merciful love. But... if you thought that my husband's mission was powerful before, you have no idea what you have just unleashed across this entire country and in this world. You have no idea the fire that you have ignited within this wife. The cries of this widow will echo around the world like a battle cry.... The movement my husband built will not die.... No one will ever forget my husband's name, and I will make sure of it. It will become stronger, bolder, louder, and greater than ever...."
पोस्ट्स
१६७ टिप्पण्या:
Time for the next Great Awakening. We’ve tried everything else.
Charlie would be very happy with the effect his death is having and will have, and as bad as it is, I think he would be understanding of the hate as well. He would forgive and feel sympathy for those so broken. On both counts, he outshines us all.
She chooses to ride a wave of soap opera. Why not. The left has been doing it forever.
Being guided by God doesn't make you right, just oblivious to your mistakes.
If Coretta and Rosa could get paraded around for a half century to shame people out of dissent, certainly Erika can do the same. She has close to 70 years ahead of her unless some other commie sends her to join Charlie (z’’l). JSM
Good. No piffle about turning the cheek trying to empathize or understand.
She sounds great.
Checking tpusa site later today to look at chapters around here.
the Word is a powerful thing, it was the foundation of this country, as we departed from it, we departed into bedlam
We still might have a President Kirk after all! JSM
She's got money so paying for child care shouldn't be a problem.
descended into badlam, one might say, it really started under John Dewey's progressivism
“ Being guided by God doesn't make you right, just oblivious to your mistakes.”
That’s preposterous! Bring guided by God - truly guided - does make you right, provided you carefully follow the guidance. It also doesn’t make you blind to your mistakes because, first of all, you will never truly be guided by God until you are keenly aware of your own fallibility and weakness, and humble yourself and rely on God to show you the right way.
bagoh20 said...
Charlie would be very happy with the effect his death is having and will have, and as bad as it is, I think he would be understanding of the hate as well. He would forgive and feel sympathy for those so broken. On both counts, he outshines us all.
The haters are broken and hurting themselves and everyone around them. They are truly sad and worthy of pity.
They must not be allowed to freely drag other people down with them.
They are a gangrenous appendage that cannot be be kept.
https://accordingtohoyt.com/
I woke up with these thoughts:
thank you Ann for letting us all talk about this. I was rude to you the other day and I apologize.
I woke ups with these thoughts.
Antifa- Jihadi. That what this is.
They tried to have a moment of Silence in the House chamber - and the democrats could not do it.
Every democrat in our government at the top - is a snake.
The Democratic party built the hate machine.
The Democratic party built the Antifa-D Jihadi.
Reddit is an Antifa-Jihadi strong-hold.
I cried and cried as she spoke. Her poor children.
You are an asshole RHHARDIN...didn't you realize that when you spewed your nonsense on Legal Insurrection?? Why are you so obsessed with soap operas??
The Left is trying to distance and sanitize themselves from the killing to reclaim the political legitimacy the assassination has cost them. You can see it even in the Althouse comment threads.
They are taking down the videos of their celebrations and trying to make it appear Charlie was killed “by his own.”
This woman breaks it all down here.
Erika’s speech last night was important to reaffirm the narrative and not let them legitimize their actions and distance themselves from Charlie’s murder.
so called antifa, they are the offspring of the panthers and the weathermen, with cross pollination from the brigatte rossi and the rote armee faktion
There were two things I noticed. First is that every time she mentioned who killed him she used the plural. Second is that her references to the Lord had a very Protestant ring to them even though she is reportedly a devout Catholic.
no he's not very self aware, there is a difference between righteous anger and melodrama
Nice. A bullet to the throat in front of her children, and her next-day reaction, instead of being respected with a shred of kindness is a 'soap opera'. What a pathetic, miserable, sad bastard. A walking husk, pretending humanity.
This matter of marriage and children is one I heartily endorse. Nothing has made me happier. I see or speak with my children and know it was all worth it.
Erik Satie, in the performance directions of one of his piano pieces: May the righteous anger of God crush out the proud and the unholy.
To his everlasting credit, Kirk was a Good Word Charlie.
Not trying to be hyperbolic, but going forward the SYMBOL of Charlie Kirk is likely to be orders of magnitude more influential than the living man ever was. For they sow the wind, and they shall reap the whirlwind.
Powerful message from a powerful woman. A woman of faith. Nonbelievers wouldn’t understand.
Jesus was killed because of his words. The Christian movement was not crushed upon Jesus death but spread around the world.
Religion is an allegory of secular moral truths, things that work because of the way humans are built. It codifies them. To the extent it gets those right, the religion is attractive even to those who don't understand the basis of it all.
To be guided by God is to stay with the moral truths, not whatever feeling you come up with at the moment.
Crushing the left isn't a moral truth. Kirk, reportedly, took the route of politeness. But the moral truth is that you have to take the route of sympathy. That's a mistake that God talk blinds you do.
Antifa- Jihadi killed him
The Democrat party from Obama and Pelosi on down - killed him.
it is, because they are the manifestation of the Old Gods before them,
Yeah RH - that bullet was so polite.
When Antifa-Jihadi is burning your house down - remain polite.
Wendy - some men live in small worlds. untouched by the outside world.
Franco crushed the left for a time, so did Pinochet,
Crush the left if you want but your religion will turn to crap.
but thats what happens when parliamentary politics no longer apply, in 1990, the Sandinistas where vanquished in part thanks to the efforts of Colonel North, another believer, who has been disparaged here, for a generation, they were out of power, then Ortega returned like Michael Meyers
The dems don't want to root out their terrorist rhetoric.
This is their war.
the philanthropic legal complex, that the Reece committee described was behind Engel v Vitale, the first domino in the collapse of our society,
I’m Catholic, but I play for Catholic and Methodist congregations. I have a weird ambition. That’s to play organ and lead a Gospel band and chorus in a gigantic, nationwide outdoor tent revival tour. How to find support? The Methodist church has suffered thru a terrible schism over the gay/trans madness, and its clergy can only see themselves playing defense against the inevitable demise of the denomination.
rhhardin said…
Crushing the left isn't a moral truth. Kirk, reportedly, took the route of politeness. But the moral truth is that you have to take the route of sympathy. That's a mistake that God talk blinds you do.
If you want to get into an Is vs Ought discussion that requires normative principles. What is the normative principle that requires us to show sympathy?
This means that we must balance the interests of 2 different people. You need to justify why we should put the interests of the murderer and associates above our own interests.
What normative principle do you use to assert their interests are more important than ours?
unattributed quote.
"Charlie Kirk wasn’t a fascist. They don’t kill you for being fascist. They call you a fascist so they can kill you."
yes John Wesley would not recognize his old Church, part of what secularism has wrought
Peachy: "They tried to have a moment of Silence in the House chamber - and the democrats could not do it."
It's more nuanced than that. The moment of silence was observed on both sides of the aisle. Then it was over. The Speaker himself ended the silence by recognizing Boebert, who moved to have an audible prayer. Then the shouting started. The Dems noted the lack of Republican prayers at school etc. shootings, while Ana Paulina Luna shouted back at them "Y'all caused this!"
So the Dems were okay with a moment of silence. They just weren't okay with Saying His Name in a prayer.
Here is the CSPAN footage, which doesn't capture what was said, but does give you the sequence of events:
https://www.c-span.org/program/us-house-of-representatives/house-observes-moment-of-silence-for-charlie-kirk/665499
JSM
When a truly evil person is struck down, their significance is lessened and dissipates over time.
When a truly good person is struck down under the pretense they are evil, their significance is magnified and spreads over time.
Young radicalized men in basements - the left's target for propaganda.
reddit. (D)
I would rather they be honest, then insincere, remember Kamala's dissing a church group, in favor of her kabuki rallies,
2026: vote out all Democrats. Across the board. Scott Presler needs help
https://x.com/scottpresler/status/1961674274143457427?s=46
There's no distance between IS and OUGHT, like there's no distance between PARIS and FRANCE. They're different things.
IS is subject to stuff you can settle. OUGHT is the position you're taking responsibility for. Moral arguments seldom end in agreement except on what each side holds a stand on. That's the point of moral arguments. It's not a failure. IS arguments that don't settle on something are failures.
As to moral truths, that's a matter of giving the other guy a claim on you. It's moral because it calls you out, addresses you. Before that, you're interchangeable and non-unique.
Hence the shortcut: every man is the Messiah.
I am going to help rhhardin out a little.
We have 2 groups with opposing interests. One side wants a more capitalist free market society and the other wants socialism.
In order for the socialist system to prevail they demand the right to censor by force.
The other side does not want to be forcibly censored.
I don’t believe that one side should be allowed to forcibly censor the other side.
Your job is to make a normative argument.
Thought of another similarity between 9/11/2001 and 9/10/2025: On Sept 12, 2001, one billion Muslims were really worried that they would be nuked. Surely this would be the reaction of the world's most powerful country? After all, that's what a nuclear Sultanate would do. When we didn't do it, our mercy was interpreted as weakness. And indeed, our reactions, even though they involved two wars that may have killed six digits of people, somehow wound up too weak.
On Sept 11, 2025, fifty million American leftists were really worried that the Right, including the MAGA President, would actually go full fascist. Surely that would be the reaction of such evil people, holding all the levers of national power, when you kill their thought leader and personal friend? After all, that's what the Dems would do.
I hope our mercy is not similarly interpreted as weakness. And that our legal, proportional reactions will actually be proportional - i.e., damaging their movement in a way that deters and incapacitates future occurrences. JSM
Our nation deteriorated rapidly under Joe Biden.
He and his handlers carry much of the blame.
The Democratic party inspired antifa-Jihadis just want chaos and death.
That's what the Constitution is for. Rules about how we treat each other, in the end. You're American or you're not.
It's supposed to end instabilities like that.
except the left believes in a Zombie constitution, don't buy their rhetoric, since 1913 we have slid down the slippery slope,
Sympathy. Figure out why the left believes that, is the start.
the battle was seeded in the universities, hence Charlie's crusade
rhhardin said...
Sympathy. Figure out why the left believes that, is the start.
Sympathy is only useful if there is good faith.
The word you’re looking for is empathy because the left does not have good faith.
the Zombie constitution, which has tried to undermine the 1st, 2nd and perhaps 3rd Amendments,
Erika Kirk is not a devout Catholic, she is an evangelical Christian. Her family was Catholic and I don't know why she became a Protestant. But I do know why this false story is being circulated - to limit her influence and thereby to cripple Turning Point. Evangelicals are the Christian heirs to the Puritan believers who founded this country. They are currently in the midst of a spiritual revival and Charlie Kirk was drawing people to Christ as part of his mission. It's quite important that people move past the idea that the Puritans were bigots in funny hats when they founded this country. Instead in their springtime, they were people who actually heard the Gospel teaching of a redeeming Savior. They thought that Catholics and Anglicans were muffling up or actually destroying this message by substitutig an institutional structure which was corrupt because it was not founded by Christ. Some thought that they could slowly reform the Anglican church so that eventually it would get rid of bishops, priests and the whole institutional structure including the King. And some thought that they could not cooperate in their lives with the existing structure and of these thousands went to New England in the years between 1630 and 1636. Out of their convictions they drew up the Mayflower Compact and the other founding documents written during the 150 years of Puritan life in New England that preceded the formation of the US. Free Speech for one's true conscience was an essential part of these developments.These same convictions were the cause behind the emigration of many other Protestant groups to America but it was mainly in New England which founded universities right away that these convictions were taught as part of divinity and law before this country was actually organized. So evangelical awakenings are returns to the source and are important in our history and politics and Charlie Kirk was shot to stop one, as I see it.
It's another story how these Puritan beliefs in their political manifestation became sufficiently universal so that Catholics could support a country founded by people who hated them. But it happened and when we Catholics fought in the Civil War we proved we knew what this country was. We didn't just act as if we had a right to abuse every legal process and insult the Protestant founders.
Behold: the modern Democratic Party
I have no sympathy for corruption and lies.
I have no sympathy for this.
I have no sympathy for Democratics who end up multi-millionaires - like AOC and Bernie. Frauds.
The left's terrorist inspiring words: Repeated daily.
"Trump is an existential threat to democracy"
"Trump is Hitler"
"Trump is a fascist"
"Trump is a King"
"Trump's supporters are fascists"
"Trump is a Nazi"
“Trump's supporters are Nazis"
"Trump is a dictator and he will end our democracy"
“Trump is an existential threat to democracy”
“Trump’s supporters are an existential threat to democracy”
“We're in a war right now to save this country. And so you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country." – Senator Chris Murphy(D)
“This fascist administration didn’t come from anywhere... We’re gonna fight, fight, FIGHT!” --AOC
DNC Talking Points Machine: Lay low, let this blow over, then we can get back to the Epstein files or whatever we will be hysterical about in a week or so.
"An account with 5 million followers on X posts a fake photo of suspect Tyler Robinson wearing a Trump shirt and quietly follows up in a thread with the real photo."
The lies and propaganda created by leftists FOR leftist cultist consumption.
Sympathy. Figure out why the left believes that, is the start.
"Please allow me to introduce myself..."
Maybe this will help the sane voices gain some traction. The dial has been stuck on Maximum Hysteria for more than 10 years now.
Maybe this will calm things down a bit. Trump is already tying this to the the anti-Trump hysteria and it works rhetorically.
Will this be the turning point on Lawfare? Or, more accurately, will it be a chance for the saner voices to turn back the already faltering tide of Lawfare? I hope so.
Patel " see you in 'Valhalla" WTF this fella is really in over his skies
"The Left is trying to distance and sanitize themselves from the killing to reclaim the political legitimacy the assassination has cost them. You can see it even in the Althouse comment threads.
They are taking down the videos of their celebrations and trying to make it appear Charlie was killed “by his own.”"
What I came here to write but more concise than I would have accomplished. I was thinking last night as I read the nonsense from Inga, Lonejustice, Kakabich, Gadfly, Fredo, etal. that it all smelled like flop sweat.
rhhardin said...
That's what the Constitution is for. Rules about how we treat each other, in the end. You're American or you're not.
It's supposed to end instabilities like that.
That only works if both sides follow the rules.
We are in a place where the left breaks the rules and then tries to make us follow them.
Are we supposed to find sympathy for that? You are having a tough time on this thread.
yeah that was pretty embarassing,
When Erica was acknowledging the mourners along the side of the motorcade route she was seen with a rosary clasped in her hand.
“Some Protestants, particularly in higher church traditions like Anglicanism and Lutheranism, use rosaries or prayer beads as a meditative tool to focus on prayer, with modifications to avoid praying to Mary or the Saints.”
“Erika retained connections to Catholicism. Her community in Scottsdale held a rosary vigil for Charlie after his death on September 10, 2025.”
If you are a Catholic residing in metropolitan Phoenix, St. Bernadette Catholic Church in Scottsdale is a good church to attend. Father Don Kline was Charlie Kirk’s friend.
Vote out every Democrat 2026
"Charlie Kirk wasn’t a fascist. They don’t kill you for being fascist. They call you a fascist so they can kill you."
leftists are like cockroaches. Truth and facts make them scatter.
Eva Marie: "When Erica was acknowledging the mourners along the side of the motorcade route she was seen with a rosary clasped in her hand."
Would be nothing wrong with it if it were, but it wasn't a rosary. It was a plain cross pendant on a chain, which she gave Charlie (RIP) before they were married. He wore it all the time, to include the day of his martyrdom. So it is kind of a bloody shirt. Bit more proper than Jesse Jackson wearing MLK's.
A TPUSA staffer talked about it on Laura Ingraham:
https://grassroots50.com/kirks-executive-producer-shares-the-story-behind-touching-photo-of-erika-kirk-with-cross-necklace/
And here is a good zoomable photo, where you can tell it's just a chain, not the spaced beads of a rosary:
https://www.facebook.com/CatholicTraditionEvangelization/photos/erika-kirk-wife-of-charlie-kirk-raises-look-like-a-rosary-or-cross-necklace-in-t/1254137640086284/
CC (Charlie Chai), JSM
You’ve screwed the pooch, hardin. But no treats for you.
No one should be killed for their politics, and his family’s grief is real. At the same time, I think it’s fair to acknowledge that Kirk was a central figure in a movement that thrives on outrage, grievance, and division. I never wanted harm to come to him — I mostly ignored him, or sometimes argued back. But I do see his rhetoric as part of a continuation of strategies like Atwater’s Southern Strategy, which stoke resentment instead of dialogue. I know many of us who aren’t in the MAGA camp simply want to live in peace and still have the freedom to speak our minds. The danger is that political violence risks turning every disagreement into a battle line, and that’s a road none of us should want to go down. Yet, that is where Trump is openly stating to take that road.
Wildswan: "Catholics could support a country founded by people who hated them."
Yes, as a half-Italian former RC, I can confirm this. Nearly my whole block were WW2 veterans. And the stereotyped parochial schools, stalked by ruler-wielding nuns and brothers, weren't really about Catholic indoctrination. Your grandma could do that. Rather, they were about American indoctrination. That ruler got swung for English grammatical and rhetorical mistakes. And for failing to observe basics of American culture. All the virtues of industrial civilization: proper dress, promptness, respect, working as part of a greater good. The kids were educated to the highest level they could reach, so they could get the best job they could and become part of the system. Not hang around for the infidels to give them a check. CC, JSM
RJW: "outrage, grievance, and division."
Dude, google Al Sharpton, ffs. CC, JSM
Ronald J. Ward said...
No one should be killed for their politics, and his family’s grief is real. At the same time, I think it’s fair to acknowledge that Kirk was a central figure in a movement that thrives on outrage, grievance, and division.
RJW wants everyone to know that the shooter was justified in shooting Kirk.
These people are my enemy. We are past the point of right and wrong. They will not stop until they kill enough of us to seize power.
to speak cogently about politics, religion and gender, well thats dangerous,
Holy crap - people are arguing over catholic v protestant.
Ron Ward:- -for you
The cowardly left built a hate-machine . Now you all deny they-you built it. Democratics in power inspired and built the antifa-jihadi network of hate and assassination.
The left's terrorist inspiring words: Repeated daily.
"Trump is an existential threat to democracy"
"Trump is Hitler"
"Trump is a fascist"
"Trump is a King"
"Trump's supporters are fascists"
"Trump is a Nazi"
“Trump's supporters are Nazis"
"Trump is a dictator and he will end our democracy"
“Trump is an existential threat to democracy”
“Trump’s supporters are an existential threat to democracy”
“We're in a war right now to save this country. And so you have to be willing to do whatever is necessary in order to save the country." – Senator Chris Murphy(D)
“This fascist administration didn’t come from anywhere... We’re gonna fight, fight, FIGHT!” –AOC
"Charlie Kirk wasn’t a fascist. They don’t kill you for being fascist. They call you a fascist so they can kill you."
one can be ecumenical about such things,
Peachy: "Holy crap - people are arguing over catholic v protestant."
The other side is trying to exploit any boundaries, true. Kirk (pbuh) on the day of his death explicitly refused to do so - he acknowledged some doctrinal differences with LDS, but then said the beliefs in common were more important. CC, JSM
None of this is the fault of MAGA.
Trump insults people sometimes - with silly little insults. So what?
You intolerant leftists are so offended by him - you build hate in your heads and lie and encourage and built an army of hate and death. You riot and encourage rioting.
CNN asks Kamala if Trump is a fascist - and she says YES! That is all on YOU.
Every dedicated leftist helped murder Charlie.
I’ve been thinking about some verses in the revelations given through Joseph Smith as written in The Doctrine and Covenants (the additional book of scripture containing the revelations given to and theough Joseph during the restoration of the church.).
[Joseph Smith recorded these revelations in the voice of the Lord.]
“… I say unto you, be one; and if ye are not one ye are not mine.
28 And again, I say unto you that the enemy in the secret chambers seeketh your lives.
29 Ye hear of wars in far countries, and you say that there will soon be great wars in far countries, but ye know not the hearts of men in your own land.
30 I tell you these things because of your prayers; wherefore, treasure up wisdom in your bosoms, lest the wickedness of men reveal these things unto you by their wickedness, in a manner which shall speak in your ears with a voice louder than that which shall shake the earth; but if ye are prepared ye shall not fear.
31 And that ye might escape the power of the enemy, and be gathered unto me a righteous people, without spot and blameless…”
"he acknowledged some doctrinal differences with LDS, but then said the beliefs in common were more important."
How I feel.
Yeah Ronald, the problem isn’t leftist lunatics killing those with a different opinion, it’s somehow Trump forcing them to do it. That’s quite a take.
the Ike Turner defense,
God's saving of Donald Trump, but refusing to save Charlie Kirk from an assassin's bullet shows that Kirk wasn't MAGA enough. ~ Nick Fuentes
"What hope have we without you?" asks Aragorn after Gandalf is pulled into the abyss in Moria. And then, his grief expressed, he turns to those whom he must lead: "We must do without hope,’ he said. ‘At least we may yet be avenged." *
But Aragorn does not permanently lose all hope, and vengeance never becomes an important motivation. Those were the words that needed to be said at the moment of crisis, when it is a leader's greatest responsibility to prevent the collapse of his followers' morale. There will be time later for more subtle but sustainable motivation.
Mrs. Kirk appears to have the instincts of a true leader.
Those who encouraged and applauded her husband's martyrdom should fear her.
*This is one of the rare instances in which a film adaptation (mildly) improves on Tolkien's original by making the statement pithier:
"Then we must do without hope: there is always vengeance."
Make
America
Great
Again
A simple slogan.
It turns the Democratic loyalist obedient cultists into
a non-stop cauldron of insanity and hate.
Very odd.
Kak - we note you Democratic Leftists are very obsessed with Nick Fuentes right now.
Is that a direct quote - or a fake quote? After all, You dedicated leftists lie a lot and have zero credibility.
its like one of those Hogwarts encantations,
We are at war with basement dwelling Reddit-ers and leftist podcasters - ANTIFA-JIHADIS.
All of these super-leftists are inspired by the lies and stoking that continually flow out of the top of the democratic party and their corrupt media.
Peachy — if it were a quote, there would be quotation marks “ “
So, made up, right, Kakabich?
Kak-a-phony
So you are making shit up - like all vile leftists do.
You are a loser(D)
but but but Nick Fuentes!
"An account with 5 million followers on X posts a fake photo of suspect Tyler Robinson wearing a Trump shirt and quietly follows up in a thread with the real photo."
The lies and propaganda created by leftists FOR leftist cultist consumption.
Somehwat off topic, but...I did not know who Erika Kirk was before Charlie was shot. I knew who Charlie Kirk was, but as he is about 24 years younger, I never followed or listened to him.
However, after his assassination and watching all of Eriks's remarks live last night, my thought is I will never sit out an election where I can vote against the D's.
That's all I got. Love to all of you, even the nutjob D's.
Cheers.
She sounds like Alexander Hamilton’s wife.
rhhardin said...
She chooses to ride a wave of soap opera. Why not. The left has been doing it forever.
Being guided by God doesn't make you right, just oblivious to your mistakes.
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So, people who don't believe in God are acutely aware of their mistakes?
Parse that out for us, will you?
Nick Fuentes is an alt-right loon. Most here are center right and don’t care what he says. Kak, Igna and their ilk are left wing loons fully representative of today’s Democrat Party mouthpieces who pretend that Fuentes is MAGA. They are the inspiration for the likes of Thomas Crooks, Luigi Mangione and Tyler Robinson.
Thank you, john mosby 10:05
Some leftists have posted or said stupid things celebrating Kirk’s assassination, only to find themselves quickly unemployed. “Oh, no, what about freedom of speech?!”
Sorry not sorry if I don’t shed any tears about this or come their defense. Leftists wrote the rules regarding cancel culture. Now they get to live under those rules and suffer the consequences. To bad, so sad, it sucks to be you.
consequence culture, you would think the Hamas follies would have taught them something,
The young widow is a person of faith, and in that she is fortunate. I'm agnostic at best, but I'm not going to criticize people with faith.
effinayright (11:24): “So, people who don't believe in God are acutely aware of their mistakes? Parse that out for us, will you?”
It’s like Hardin mistakenly failing to distinguish between Erika’s heartfelt remarks and soap opera. Oh. Wait. He blew that didn’t he?
I wonder what Ronald J. Ward has to say about all of the leftists screaming "Who's next!" and 'When do we get to shoot Erika Kirk too!"? Is that -- what was Ward's term? -- Outrageous, divisive or expressing greivance? I'm sure Ronald J. Ward along with Kak and Inga and Dinky and the rest of the left are very happy with their fellow leftists expressing such loving, tolerant thoughts at this time.
Right? Maybe, juuuuuust maybe, it's time for you vile leftists to recognize that it's your side that is the home of hate. "Hate has no home here, unless we disagree with you! Then we are nothing but hate!" is the real left.
yeah he went to ludicrous speed,
Wow - If the story just run by a Fox News reporter is true about the killer, then so much makes sense. Will be interesting to watch this play out.
"Evildoers", plural. What exactly is she claiming to know that we don't?
I had heard Mrs. Kirk speak before she married. I believe it was at a CPAP convention I was watching on Cspan though I don't remember exactly. My first thought when I heard he had died was that the people who did this did not know what they were about to unleash from his widow.
I admired and supported Kirk's free speech mission to the colleges though I'm no Christian.
the shooter is just the tip of the spear, of a much larger institutional network
I’m gonna wipe dat kak right offa my shoe.
"the shooter is just the tip of the spear, of a much larger institutional network"
yes.
“Erika Kirk is not a devout Catholic, she is an evangelical Christian. Her family was Catholic and I don't know why she became a Protestant. But I do know why this false story is being circulated - to limit her influence and thereby to cripple Turning Point.”
My understanding is that the family belongs to the Dream City Church, based in N PHX (about mile or so above the 101 freeway off of Cave Creek), with I think 10 campuses (6 in AZ), including one in Scottsdale, off of Pima about halfway between the 101 and Carefree. Those two campuses are 15-20 minutes apart (Cave Creek to Dynamite, and across to Pima).
It’s an evangelical church, and that may be part of why Erika converted from Catholicism, where the rigid structure of the church makes changing with the times much more difficult. Mention was made of the Puritans, and one of their legacies was local church governance. You get a bunch of people together, and they hire a minister. In the 1600s and 1700s in New England, each village had a church, and their theology and practiced might differ slightly from that of the next village over.
Truer and more timeless words never spoken, Quayle @10:30AM
murderer is antifa.
What was interesting to me is their understanding of Scriptures. Watched a debate last night between Charlie and someone else on Christian nationalism. He string cited (from memory) a series of Old Testament verses supporting nationalism. His opponent cited one New Testament verse, and they got into a discussion of the relationship between the two Books. He was impressive. But Erika is the one with a doctorate in theology.
“ murderer is antifa.”
Imagine my surprised face. Except that so far, I might not go further than AntiFA adjacent. Routinely communicating with AntiFA and adjacent members. But maybe not yet full fledged AntiFA.
Keep in mind that AntiFA fought in the streets of German cities against Nazi Brownshirts for control of European socialism. They were the communists’ paramilitary wing, and were thus controlled and funded by the Soviet Union. With the fall of the Soviet Union, their loyalty switched to the PRC. This loyalty can be seen at times, with the Red Chinese hammer and sickle painted on their helmets and ballistic shields, along with a modified version of their almost 100 year old AntiFA symbol.
To summarize, AntiFA is a Red Chinese affiliated paramilitary group trying to destroy this country from within. They are our enemy, and the enemy of every truly patriotic American.
“My understanding is that the family belongs to the Dream City Church, based in N PHX…”
Dream City Church
“The Guardian updated an article on September 12, 2025, to remove quotes describing Tyler Robinson as a "leftist" after the source, an anonymous former classmate, said they could not accurately remember details of their relationship with him. The newspaper's live blog and related articles now reflect this clarification.
Details about the retracted claims:
Original claim: A high school friend of Robinson's, who remained anonymous, was quoted as saying Robinson was "pretty left on everything" and "the only member of his family that was, like, really leftist".
Reason for retraction: The source later contacted The Guardian to say they could no longer verify the accuracy of their memories of their high school relationship with Robinson.
Current state: The quotes were removed from the article, and an editor's note was added to specify that the quotes were deleted "after the verified source... said after publication that they could not accurately remember details of their relationship".
Gemini
Inga said...
Reason for retraction: The source later contacted The Guardian to say they could no longer verify the accuracy of their memories of their high school relationship with Robinson.
Real reason for the retraction: threats by leftists around her.
She remembered exactly what she remembered. She was just told she better check her memory or else.
It is shocking to me how depraved people like Inga are and how determined they are to change the truth so that they can justify their murderous bullshit.
THEY will get what THEY will deserve. In the long run.
"This is a message to the center-Left. I'm assuming it still exists.
Following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you guys may be the only faction in American politics who can move to prevent a hot civil war from happening."
"That means that you're going to need to break with the hard Left. Don't buy the myth. Denounce Antifa terrorism. Withdraw your support from Democratic politicians who celebrate and excuse assassination."
"Please. Wake up and do the right thing."
Original Mike said...
"This is a message to the center-Left. I'm assuming it still exists.
Following the assassination of Charlie Kirk, you guys may be the only faction in American politics who can move to prevent a hot civil war from happening."
I read this twat's message. He starts it out with: "I don't like Charlie Kirk."
He also adds in some excuses for why it is OK to not like Charlie Kirk.
He is worse than the antifa murderers. He is a dishonest coward who gives them cover and has been for decades.
All of the decent people on the left are already Trump supporters. Trump is a JFK democrat and RFK jr and Tulsi Gabbard are a part of the Trump administration.
He can surrender. That's about it.
Eva Marie said...
When Erica was acknowledging the mourners along the side of the motorcade route she was seen with a rosary clasped in her hand.
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That wasn't a rosary she was holding. That was the simple, silver cross necklace Charlie wore daily.
Musk dialed in to Tommy Robinson's London rally today. Inter alia, he said "Whether you are interested in violence or not, violence is coming to you. You have to decide if you're going to fight back." CC, JSM
Inga will stick to the "Robinson is rightwing" no matter what evidence you cite. Inga is committed fully to the big lie all the time. Have you ever once seen Inga admit to any of her hundreds and hundreds of errors over the last 13 years?
People in the crowd were holding up, in addition to the usual British nations' flags, framed photos of Charlie Kirk (pbuh), like the Shia do with their martyrs. CC, JSM
Eva Marie said...
“Some Protestants, particularly in higher church traditions like Anglicanism and Lutheranism, use rosaries or prayer beads as a meditative tool to focus on prayer, with modifications to avoid praying to Mary or the Saints.”
I find a lot of people would be lost at "higher church traditions". I find if I'm I'm talking to an evangelical trying to convert me who is from a "low church" that they've no clue.
There is no set definition as to whether a Protestant church is high, middle, or low. Generally, the closer the church organization and service is to Roman Catholic, the higher it is. Anglican, Episcopalian, and some Lutheran are high churches. Methodist and similar middle. And if they dance in the aisles and speak in tongues during the service- they're a low church.
I'm finding it increasingly common that some low churches don't identify as Protestant, with members insisting they're "Christian", not identifying with any other traditions at all, or any denomination. Often, the leader of such churches is a self proclaimed minister with no official ordination.
It's worth repeating. After Pearl Harbor the architect of the attack, Admiral Isoroku Yamamoto is supposed to have said that he feared they had only awakened a sleeping giant, and filled it with a terrible resolve.
Worth remembering and repeating.
Has Inga ever been right about anything?
I couldn't watch the whole thing. There is something cringy about her. I'm sorry if I'm offending anybody. I'm just sharing honestly.
Since the framework of a subversive organization is beginning to take shape in the fog - ANTIFA and Trans-tifa and transgender activistism, and the usual Progressive Democrat litanies - perhaps it's time to being wondering whether a campaign of violence could be designed, with increasing activity, with the same linked organizations as the well-supplied Floyd riots, to hopefully trigger an application of martial law - just in time to be made nicely unpopular, for the purpose of midterms. Electioneering will be starting soon, and issues are wanting - if you're a Democrat.
If an awakening and realignment of conservatives actually happens, when people start to view this conflict in a hard-eyed way, the way that one man sizes up another before the punches start, they're going to come to a conclusion about the Hard Left: However loud and obnoxious these pink-haired, tattooed & pierced, flabby weirdos might be, they mostly stand out in a crowd. However effective their dirty tricks have been against the unprepared and unaware, a mostly peaceful and tolerant crowd, there are actually not very many of them, compared to us. There are even fewer with actual battle-hardened experience, compared to us, who are now motivated to solve the problem.
Lem: "I couldn't watch the whole thing. There is something cringy about her. I'm sorry if I'm offending anybody. I'm just sharing honestly."
That's understandable. She is literally a beauty queen (Miss Arizona-USA), still with a lot of that way about her. I personally never like the whisper-to-indicate-emotional-intensity thing that she was doing, because I usually hear it from women who aren't really experiencing an emotion and just want to manipulate mine. But I stuck with the video because I know she really is in deep deep grief and all she can do at this point is string words together.
Maybe if you read a transcript? CC, JSM
Inga will stick to the "Robinson is rightwing" no matter what evidence you cite.
It seems Robinson was created in a lab to be the perfect left-wing villain. (I mean, carving messages on the shell casings? That's supervillain stuff.)
didn't mangione do the thing with the shell casings, as well
Effingayright: “Being guided by God doesn't make you right, just oblivious to your mistakes.
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So, people who don't believe in God are acutely aware of their mistakes?
Parse that out for us, will you?“
if A implies B that does not show that not A implies not B, make a truth table and you will see.
Yes, mangione put deny, delay, depose on his shell casings.
To refine my argument above, as a logic puzzle
• Original statement: If someone believes in God, they may be overconfident in their decisions and thus oblivious to mistakes (believing their actions are divinely sanctioned).
• Question: Does this mean that people who don’t believe in God are deeply aware of their mistakes? Not necessarily. An atheist could be oblivious to their mistakes for other reasons ( arrogance, lack of self-reflection), or they could be aware but not “acutely” so. The original statement doesn’t preclude non-believers from being oblivious, nor does it require them to have heightened awareness.
So the second statement does not follow from the first.
One man, one woman, and unPlanned babies... fetuses. No womb farms or sperm banks required. Evolutionary fitness is a prime directive across all religions (Her Choice... uh, choice).
it was painful for me the first time I heard Mrs. Kirk's comments. The second time I realized my pain had more to do with the fact that I do not talk about God and Jesus as freely and often as she, and her example made me a bit ashamed. I just finished "Gospeler" by Willie Robertson and between Erika and Willie I realize I am not centered enough in Christ. Anyone willing, please pray for me (Mike).
If you think we are one nation, read the “Charlie died” obituary in the execrable New York Times and the disgusting accompanying comments. “Too bad, but remember he was divisive.” The left is populated by illogical, immoral people and their silent enablers.
“Anyone willing, please pray for me (Mike).” You got it, Mike.
“Too bad, but remember he was divisive.”
If you (in general, not directed at anyone specifically) disagree with something Charlie Kirk advocates, that means Charlie Kirk disagrees with you.
Why aren't *YOU* the divisive one?
“Too bad, but remember he was divisive.”
"If you say things we don't like, remember- we might kill you for it."
Maybe I’m horribly naive but I think a civil war is quite unlikely. It’s one thing to say scary and threatening things anonymously on a blog. Quite something else to start shooting people you think are on the “radical left”.
Achilles- you don’t have the courage. Incite others to commit violence is about all you can do. Makes you feel tough I guess.
Quite something else to start shooting people you think are on the “radical left”
When I woke up Wednesday morning, I would have thought shooting someone like Charlie Kirk for being on the "radical right" would have been "quite something else. I was wrong.
Charlie wasn't my cup of tea, but he was very effective. In his Biblical authority mode, he reminded me of the Campus Crusade for Christ folks from the mid 60s at my high school. Like many evangelicals, he was very conversant with both the Old and New Testaments (my church tended to focus on the New Testament). He was a great listener and very good at meeting people at the crossroads.
I think that a generation starved for meaning and mired in materialism needs more of the spiritual material that Charlie offered. He clearly wanted to have a new Great Awakening.
https://dailycaller.com/2025/09/13/army-suspends-reserve-officer-charlie-kirk-trump-admin/
its an eldritch paper, no surprise,
https://legalinsurrection.com/2025/09/comcast-issues-warning-to-nbcuniversal-employees-after-matthew-dowd-incident/
https://x.com/IanJaeger29/status/1965907851907580411
Unknown Mike: " I realize I am not centered enough in Christ. Anyone willing, please pray for me (Mike)"
I will, and also note: the minute you said that, you started re-centering yourself on Him. CC, JSM
Original Mike said...
Has Inga ever been right about anything?
9/13/25, 2:02 PM
Yes:
Inga said...
Known Unknown, I may have zero proof that (it) happened, but you also have zero proof that it didn't happen.
5/12/17, 3:29 PM
jim5301 said...
“Maybe I’m horribly naive but I think a civil war is quite unlikely…”
Oh, I’m thinking the Murderous Mooks of the left will continue picking people off, but will be overcome with their insanity and speed things up, which will be their biggest mistake.
Well, there is that …
Narciso: His hair is perfect. Aoooo, Werewolf of Buenos Aires....CC, JSM
The bullet casings - leftist/Antifa specific
Trans gF - leftist
The friend said - leftist. Retraction? yeah whatever. I'll bet that was a coerced retraction. why say it in the first place?
Conservatives don't want to kill other conservatives. It's desperation by the corrupt left.
Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi is fine with her and her vile party's violence inspiring rhetoric.
Bonchie
@bonchieredstate
Once again, it turns out that what Robinson wrote on his bullet casings was not secret right-wing code.
"Notices bulge, oWo, what's this?" was a reference to his trans partner/roommate, who is also a furry.
You can all apologize to the ATF now. That includes the NYTs.
@bennyjohnson
Just spoke with top FBI official who made it very clear that they have NOT ruled out co-conspirators in Charlie Kirk’s assassination:
“That assumption is premature. This investigation is just beginning. An enormous amount of evidence has been seized both digital and physical.”
FBI sources assure me the public will “know everything” about the dark internet history, chats and affiliations of Kirk’s left-wing political assassin.
The source then alluded to some online groups attempting to delete or destroy evidence.
“We have everything. We are focused on the radicalization element. The truth will not be hidden, or buried or classified. The public will know.”
jim5301 said...
Maybe I’m horribly naive but I think a civil war is quite unlikely. It’s one thing to say scary and threatening things anonymously on a blog. Quite something else to start shooting people you think are on the “radical left”.
Achilles- you don’t have the courage. Incite others to commit violence is about all you can do. Makes you feel tough I guess.
You people killed Charlie. I am sure you feel pretty tough right now.
All I am doing right now is promising to treat you like you have treated us.
Peachy says;
”Conservatives don't want to kill other conservatives. It's desperation by the corrupt left.
Meanwhile Nancy Pelosi is fine with her and her vile party's violence inspiring rhetoric.”
Not meaning to get into the elementary level of insults but I’ve pretty much written Peachy and Achilles off as out of touch cultists but for whoever might fall for their gaslighting, let’s come down to earth (or up from the rabbit hole) and face the light of day realities.
Thomas Matthew Crooks, killed after attempting to assassinate Trump in Pennsylvania last year, was reportedly a registered Republican. Ryan Routh, who tried to shoot Trump in FL was aligned to MAGA and once supported him. Tyler Robinson came from a MAGA family. So when you say conservatives aren’t wanting to kill other conservatives, that doesn’t square with the facts.
I'm sure this wasn't the beginning but it was my first realization that politics as practice by Dems is dirty (and yeah, I know there are R's that act the same but I think they are on the margins). This is how we got where we are.
bork
/bôrk/
verbinformal•US
past tense: borked; past participle: borked
obstruct (someone, especially a candidate for public office) by systematically defaming or vilifying them.
Oh Ronald, you try so hard to do something with what you are spoon fed. You really do deserve a participation trophy.
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