But oddly enough, "that thing" is sitting in the White House after Republicans fought amongst themselves and Walz badly lost the election to him after Democrats went out of their way to avoid fighting amongst themselves. It would make more sense to use the epithet "that thing" to refer to the unwholesome agglomeration that is the Democratic Party.
The three-day meeting of the Democratic National Committee, held to welcome new members and start building the 2028 primary calendar, was the first under new chair Ken Martin.... The party, Martin vowed, was now bringing “a bazooka to a knife fight,” and would no longer “play by the rules” if Republicans broke them.
I'm guessing Martin deployed his "a bazooka to a knife fight" metaphor — in Minneapolis — before the the shooting of children that took place nearby.
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Bazooka (Wikipedia):The name "bazooka" comes from an extension of the word bazoo, which is slang for "mouth" or "boastful talk"...
That's fitting, for politicians.
During World War II, "bazooka" became the universally applied nickname of the new American anti-tank weapon, due to its vague resemblance to the musical instrument invented and popularized by 1930s American comedian Bob Burns.
Video of Burns playing the bazooka here.UPDATE: In the comments below, Olson Johnson is right! observes that Semafor has taken Walz's words out of context: "The meaning in the Semafor quote (and the title of the Althouse post) is directly opposite the meaning in the full quote." Whoa! I checked, and he's right. From the text of Walz's speech (video here):
"And I have to tell you, we can have our internal decision making, our internal healthy debates. But I refuse to believe we do not have the luxury to fight amongst ourselves while that thing sets in the White House. So, I'm not telling anyone not to raise their voice."
The author of the incredibly misleading Semafor piece was David Weigel.
And as long as I'm looking at the full text, let me also quote this:
And I will have to tell you the privilege of my lifetime was [to] stand beside someone we know was the most qualified and would have been a fantastic president in a President Harris. And look, we wouldn't wake up every day to a bunch of shit on TV and a bunch of nonsense. We would wake up to an adult with compassion and dignity and vision and leadership doing the work. Not a manchild crying about whatever's wrong with him. May his fat ankles find something today. Petty as hell.
I wasn't sure if "his fat ankles" should be capitalized. Is it a title, like His Majesty — His Fat Ankles? Anyway, I thought that was rich, Walz denouncing Trump as "petty as hell" when he had just called him "His Fat Ankles."
I put "shit" in italics because Walz said it very intensely. Listen for yourself. It's at 1:12:47 in the video.
पोस्ट्स
९५ टिप्पण्या:
They keep running against the one guy that they won’t ever actually compete against again.
Dear Democratic Party,
Your commitment to your principles and your opposition to that thing are not in question.
Here's my question:
How is all this working out for you?
Followup:
How long do you plan to hold out on this line?
Sincerely,
A Concerned American
I can't read the Semafor article due to a paywall. But I did read the RCP article and they transcribe Waltz's speech. The meaning in the Semafor quote (and the title of the Althouse post) is directly opposite the meaning in the full quote.
The full quote is "But I refuse to believe we do not have the luxury to fight amongst ourselves while that thing sets in the White House. So, I'm not telling anyone not to raise their voice. I'm not telling anyone to say, you are too damn old, man."
In context Waltz is in favor of Democrats to "have our internal decision making, our internal healthy debates."
So Walz DOES believe that democrats DO actually have the luxury of fighting among themselves. Which is backwards from what David Weigle wrote in his Semafor article.
Wow they’re a mess…
…no mention of changing unpopular policies I see…
…knife fights are close quarters combat. Those shoulder fired bazookas aren’t real maneuverable. I’m thinking even if you manage to get off one shot you’ll probably miss your opponent before you’re stabbed…
This pathetic sounding tough talk is simply in response to demands from their pathetic base to Do Something!!! They can't deal with the recent political reversals they've undergone.
Bottom rail on top now Massa.
LOL - that thing in the White House has, in seven short months, effectively shown how anti working class American the Democrat party is. Whine all you want, Walz. It won’t change that fact.
Olson Johnson, it makes a lot more sense for Lil Timmy to take the stance from the full quote you provided than the one that, as our hostess points out, makes him and the DEI VP 100% responsible for losing to President Donald John Trump. 'Cuz we've all seen how much Lil Timmy takes responsibility for the results of his actions.
Their party's pronouns are that/thing. It's name needn't be spoken...that/thing is a failure.
Thing 1 would be a great nickname for Trump. He’s created a “chaos” that pushes back against the globalist socialist framework that the left has put in place.
Though we don’t want this chaos boxed up again, of course.
Of course, the Democrats are a party whose very bywords are "playing by the rules."
What will Walz say when Trump wins the Nobel Prize?
Tim Walz is gay. He's a big fat hairy gay man.
"What will Walz say when Trump wins the Nobel Prize?"
What will he do when Hillary Clinton nominates Trump for the Nobel Prize and then he wins it?
Kay Corleone:
Oh, Tim. Tim, you are blind. It wasn't an election loss. It was an abortion. An abortion, Tim. Just like our Party is an abortion. Something that's unholy and evil. I didn't want your candidate, Tim! I wouldn't bring another one of your nominees into this government! It was an abortion, Tim! It was a half-black woman who could have been President! A half-black woman! And I had the Democrat Party killed because this must all end!
@rehajm (4:59), no, their base loves policies that stick it to middle class and American blue collar workers so the policies are going to stay. Here’s Will Rahm subbing for Nellie Bowles at Bari Weiss’s Free Press:
The Democrats have a messaging problem in that they have no coherent message. That can be an asset at times—Trump’s GOP is not a model of ideological consistency—but right now, the Democrats seem unable to cobble together any sort of theme. There’s no banner. There’s barely a flyer. Where are they on immigration? On Israel? What’s their plan to lower grocery prices? Are they the party of free trade, or would they just like tariffs to be applied in a less slapdash manner?
If Trump puts a serious dent in crime in Chicago as even Mayor Bowser concedes he ,has done in Washington, then they’ll have to find a better message than “Defund the Police!” and Chicago Mayor Johnson’s assertion that putting people is “raciiiiist.”
“We can fight amongst ourselves, just not in front of the children!
Our lies don’t work when the children know that they are lies!”
All they have to do to give themselves permission is to accuse the other side of being even worse, because “ we’ve got to protect our phony baloney jobs” doesn’t work to make their base suspend their morality, which is what they are demanding,
"But I refuse to believe we do not have the luxury to fight amongst ourselves while that thing sets in the White House. So, I'm not telling anyone not to raise their voice. I'm not telling anyone to say, you are too damn old, man."
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Wow. So much for going to the source materials, annie.
Ya got played by Dave Weigel. Northwestern, Medill... lol.
You should try reading/thinking for yourself, proffy.
DNC: I want to get Trump! I don't know how to do it.
Waltz: You wanna know how to get Trump? He pulls a knife, you pull a gun. He sends one of yours to the hospital, you send one of his to the morgue. *That's* the *Democrat* way! And that's how you get Trump. Now do you want to do that? Are you ready to do that? I'm offering you a deal. Do you want this deal?
DNC: But we're already doing that!
Hillary was trying to bait Trump into doing what the neocons wanted, which was to blow up any peace deal. She seems to really believe that she is playing eleven dimensional chess, and Trump is stupid. Meanwhile the Ukrainians seem to have suffered WWI like casualties and are losing ground every day, but they still demand that Russia hand over Putin for trial, a trillion dollars in reparations, and NATO a couple of hundred kilometers from Moscow.
I personally think that Trump is highly intelligent, cares about Americans, and Ukrainians, and Hillary is a fool who was promised power if she went along with the neocons.
I'm not telling anyone to say, you are too damn old, man."
He characteristically made a mess of the negatives here. "Anyone NOT to say" is too awkward. What I think he meant to say is, someone should have told Biden he was too old much earlier. Or is he still talking about Trump?
"The full quote is "But I refuse to believe we do not have the luxury to fight amongst ourselves while that thing sets in the White House..."
Wow. If true, a big failure by Semafor. Will check
AS IF they played by the rules in 2015! AS IF they believed in the Russia gate hoax in good faith! As if they didn't know the Blob was working behind the scenes to fix the elections!
Did any of the Dems at the meeting tell Walz that he was a big part of the problem? Because he is. He is a living, breathing symbol of what is wrong with the Dems.
It's like the DNC wants to lose the midterms and anoint JD in 2028. This big bold beautiful plan will fully blossom in 2030 when the no illegals census will create more Republican congressional districts.
Remember that dehumanizing your opponent is not encouraging your supporters to assassinate him. Oh yeah, and Tim Walz sat by while people like Bolton brought their color revolution techniques, formally used in countries like Ukraine and Romania, home to the United States and cities burned in his state.
Same as the governor of Michigan worked up a false flag kidnap plot. Somehow these tow are near the top of the Democratic Party. These are techniques perfected in the '30s in Germany.
With the corrected quote, he gets credit for stating the obvious in a convoluted way that doesn't really make sense.
"when the no illegals census will create more Republican congressional districts."
Remember when one of Biden's first official acts was to rejigger the census numbers that Trump's people had worked out. Then, after the congressional seats had been safely apportioned to the state, it turned out that he had mad a few mistakes. Now this is the part you are not going to believe, *all* of his mistakes were in favor of the Democrats! Basically, and coming from such an upstanding guy as Joe Biden this is hard to swallow, but Biden's people, innocently, apparently, gave the Democrats three or four extra votes in Congress, just by cooking the census.
I wonder what this playing dirty thing that they are proposing is going to look like?
The characterization of Trump as"that thing" is notable. First, it skates by the problem of having to articulate what Trump is doing that is offensive. That way, he can't be criticized by one or another faction for understating, overstating, or misstating the problem. It also removes Trump from the human race, transforming him into a mere thing that has no entitlement to moral reciprocity. Tough Tim is laying the groundwork to justify asymmetrical conflict.
The cautionary point here is that one must be careful about starting open ended conflicts outside previous norms. The previous methods for ending conflict are no longer in force. L
The reason for all of the dirty tactics is that the Democratic Party has been taken over by its extremists, and rather than compromise with the American people, which is obviously unacceptable, they have to rejigger the population by refusing to enforce the immigration laws duly passed by Congress, and use lawfare, etc, etc.
The way back for the Democrats is to find the center, and snuggle in just a little to the left of it. What they have learned, though, is that it is far easier to go left on economics than it is to go right on culture. That's an iron law, and it redounds to the benefit of the Republicans. If we could just pry a few of the ancient warmongers like McDonnell and Graham out of their perches.
"We do not have the luxury to fight amongst ourselves while that thing sits in the White House." --Tim Walz
Thing? That is pretty dehumanizing. Leftist really are sweet people who certainly would never use rhetoric incite their mentally ill base towards violence. Maybe Walz should shut up and try to provide decent governance to Minnesota and forget about the rest of the country for a bit.
"...while that thing sits in the White House..."
What leadership looks like in the Democrat Party. Meanwhile, 'that thing' has all but eliminated street crime in DC in 2 weeks, and most of its citizens look like they've just emerged from a bunker and are seeing daylight for the first time in months.
A fetus, a thing, a dehumanizing label. Will no one abort my "burden"!? Is a Shakespeare line and Democratic play, ploy.
They forget nothing and learn nothing.
Has she "corrected" the quote?
"Florida Man" at least had a goofy charm in his heyday.
"Minnesota Man" is a different beast entirely.
They keep running against the one guy that they won’t ever actually compete against again.
Well, what else are they going to do? Klein's Abundance thing sounds a whole lot like what Trump is actually doing. Mamdani's thing, OTOH, sounds like the USSR of Stalin - I'm just waiting for him to start talking wreckers and hoarders. And every other version of actually being a Democrat these days sounds like saving all your love for criminals, embracing the mutilation of children, relegating women and Black people to second-class citizenship, driving productivity offshore, vampirically sucking the soul out of the nation... They can't actually run on being Democrats.
But also: I don't want to hear one more word about "Minnesota nice" or "Republicans erase people" or "Coexist" or "In this house we believe no human is illegal." "That thing" indeed.
Weigel seriously messed up that one quote - but unless the point of his piece was to shake a disbelieving head at the Democrats for believing they're not unified enough (as our host began her post), I think I got the overall picture: Democrats think they're not being horrible enough.
Big Mike, that quote from Will Rahm is complete gaslighting. Everybody knows the Democrats are on the 20% side of those issues.
Trump's pronouns are I/Won.
I'm happier every day I stopped supporting the Free Press
.."while that thing sits in the White House."
some people accuse the dems of dehumanizing their opponents because they think it's fun!
other people assume that the dems dehumanize their opponents to justify their REPEATED assassination attempts
you be the judge
Martin looks like he couldn’t punch his way out of a wet paper bag, teh BIG Silly.
Jazz-hands Elmer Fudd says what?
Stolen Valor chickenshit coward Walz inciting violence against the President is just more proof that the anti-American scumbag assholes, degenerates, and lowlife criminals that comprise the Democrat Party are The Good Guys!!!!
The fight that Democrats have been avoiding since 2020, is between the Progressive/Socialist Bernie bro wing and the professional consultant/corruptocrat wing of the Party. The latter can see that the flaming Socialist (Bernie in 2020, AOC in 2028) is unelectable, even though that's what the Democrat primary voters want. So, all the jiggery-pokery that ended up with Biden in 2020 and Harris in 2024, and the need to stifle all intraparty doubts or debate. That "thing in the White House" is the only thing holding the Democrat Party together. I see no reason to expect that any "centrist" (i.e., dull Party functionary like Biden: Klobuchar, Walz or Butteigig) will get the nomination in 2028. All the energy of that Party is with the socialists and the identity groups.
Martin looks like he couldn’t punch his way out of a wet paper bag, teh BIG Silly.
That means David Hogg is weaker than a wet paper bag. Which is about right I guess.
Hogg wanted to have more primaries and bring more woke politicians into the party. Not surprisingly, the party didn't want any primaries.
See also the 2024 election.
“It was a half-black woman who could have been President! A half-black woman!”
Incorrect. It was a quarter black woman. At most.
At a minimum there should be all kinds of discussion about how the party did whatever Joe Biden wanted, including hampering lifelong Democrat Bobby Kennedy Jr. in the primaries. And chasing him out of the party and into the Trump administration.
How did the Democrat party insiders miss all of Biden's medical issues? There ought to be a big internal stink about that.
Ted Kennedy ran a primary against Jimmy Carter. 44 years later, the Democrats have become far more anti-democratic. And brazenly dishonest. And the party was caught with its pants down, trying to run a senile old man up on the debate stage.
I don't think people are leaving the Democrat party because of a sharp ideological change. It's outright embarrassment.
The fact that the democrats see everything thru the lens of fighting with a gun or a knife - for their power they assume they should always possess...
they forget about Americans.
But please - don't link the Democratics non-stop violent rhetoric with trans insanity mass killings.
As so often happens, the story was written before the event actually occurred.
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High school kids were always wondering what went on in the teacher's lounge (apart from -- in the old days -- smoking). I guess Tim Walz gives us a pretty good window into what that world's like today. And no, he's most likely not gay.
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Bazooka Joe, the comic strip character, probably fits somewhere in the etymology. Did that come after the musical instrument and the instrument of war? I always assumed the comic strip came before the Panzerfaust. Can you still buy the bubblegum with the comic strip in it?
All the energy of that Party is with the socialists and the identity groups.
And that's an uneasy, Stalin-Hitler pact. All it needs is for somebody to call AOC a white female, or a Karen, for it to blow up.
She's already removed her pronouns. If she had a half a brain, she would celebrate July 4, 1776, and tell the NYT and the rest of the 1619 brigade that America is the land of the free and the home of the brave.
(I don't know why I'm giving her tips)
Study the damn singing Commies of the 20th century. Sure, you can wear the tax the rich dress. But why is it that the Socialists took down the 1619 project, while you said nothing?
(Just trying to help)
The original saying was, "Don't bring a knife to a gunfight".
If you say you are going to be bringing a bazooka to a knife fight, one that you were challenged to and accepted, it means you know you can't win in a fair fight. It means you are not going to follow any rules. You are just going to destroy the opponent with overkill. It means you recognize your opponent has skills you can't hope to match and you are terrified and desperate.
Once you show up and obliterate your opponent in such a manner, all his friends and supporters are going to have something to say about it. Now you're going to have to obliterate them too. And they are going to bring the biggest weapons they can find and they are not going to recognize any rules either.
What you have done is, you have started a war.
Maybe Walz wouldn't be so cavalier about a war if he had seen one up close, but he hasn't.
Philosopher Leonard Peikoff called William Buckley that entity
"someone we know was the most qualified and would have been a fantastic president in a President Harris."
There's your problem right there, democrats. You're an awful judge of talent.
Thing 1 would be a great nickname for Trump.
"It's clobberin' time."
while that Thing sits in the White House
Orange Man Not Bad
Call him Rocky if you want!
“ …the unwholesome agglomeration that is the Democratic Party.” “Unwholesome agglomeration.” That is perfect!!
Walz said...
Not a manchild [sic] crying about whatever's wrong with him. May his fat ankles find something today.
Ankles? What about thighs?
"You got no way to make a man, honey
You got to understand
I'm your man-child, lord of the thighs
Zap!"
Would Klobuchar and Buttigieg be the worst electoral ticket ever?
Or would that be Buttigieg and Klobuchar?
"And I will have to tell you the privilege of my lifetime was [to] stand beside someone we know was the most qualified and would have been a fantastic president in a President Harris."
Tim Walz has a very long tongue.
I am just glad Walz is still considered a leader in the democrat party.
We just need one good result in the midterms and we can have congress pass laws enforcing paper ballots and voter id.
At that point the democrat party collapses and something potentially useful will rise from the ashes.
Lazurus, it was Joe Palooka though I always thought the comic strip was connected to bazooka by rhyme. Will check out the bazooka video shortly.
Walz is so outclassed by the Republicans I almost feel embarrassed for him. Almost.
"Would Klobuchar and Buttigieg be the worst electoral ticket ever?
Or would that be Buttigieg and Klobuchar? "
Potato /turnip
Tim Walz.
Jacob Frey.
Keith Ellison.
Tina Smith.
Amy Klobuchar.
Ilhan Omar.
Just some of the reasons for the decline of Minnesota.
My suggestion is this: We offer a trade to Canada. A one for one trade.
We offer them Minnesota. They send us Alberta. I see it as a win-win for both the state and the province, and both countries. Canada will get a deeper penetration south, a state with bizarrely deep progressive attitudes. People who would love more governmental oversight and control.
The US will get a province more aligned with the current administration. A people who want to break from Ottawa, seeking more freedom. And a province rich in natural resources and a high producer of energy.
I think it would work for everyone.
If Tim Walz spoke like this before the election, Trump would have won by even larger margins. I wouldn't let this guy near children. He sounds physically violent and unstable. He talks about how easy it is to be a Republican, you 'just get out of bed in the morning and do cruel things.' Was the word cruel or evil? I can't stand to watch it again. Wow. He was a worse candidate than Kamala. Props for that, Democrats: they said it couldn't be done.
You forgot Garrison Keillor, Temujin.
Given that the Dems see Trump and Vance wreaking political and economic havoc, they might take a cue from Dr. Seuss's "The Cat in the Hat" and call them Thing 1 and Thing 2.
From the post:
"It would make more sense to use the epithet "that thing" to refer to the unwholesome agglomeration that is the Democratic Party."
This goes beyond Alinsky's Rule #13: "Pick the target, freeze it, personalize it, and polarize it."
Making the target an unperson is a step outside the pale. Remember when John McCain was pilloried for referring to Barack Obama as "that one?"
Saint Croix asked...
How did the Democrat party insiders miss all of Biden's medical issues?
this question raises a Even More Serious Question:
What Ever Happened To joe biden's stage 4 cancer?
It's been 3 MONTHS since they told us about it..
I've only known ONE person with stage 4 cancer (my brother).
3 months after my brother was diagnosed, he was bed ridden..
4 months after, my brother was dead..
now,
i'm NOT saying that Biden's stage 4 cancer scam was a scam
(wait, well i guess i AM saying that),
but i AM saying; how can we Miss Him.. If he won't LEAVE?
What Ever Happened To joe biden's stage 4 cancer?
was joe biden's stage 4 cancer the equivalent of:
"she turned me into a Newt".. "i got better"
???
Big Mike said...
"...Here’s Will Rahm subbing for Nellie Bowles at Bari Weiss’s Free Press:
The Democrats have a messaging problem in that they have no coherent message."
The real problem is that they dare not disclose their radical left agenda. If they came out and declared the underlying philosophy that they really stand for, I believe a lot of Democrats would find it revolting, and bail on the Party.
While I think it's of some interest whether or not Walz thinks it's okay for Democrats to fight, or to not fight, the scandal ought to be his reference to the president as, "that thing" which either sits or sets, "in the White House".
Iman said...
"You forgot Garrison Keillor, Temujin."
And Al Franken, but he is kinda forgettable.
My first thought was the Adams Family.
Walz, with those jazz hands, should not be calling anyone else "thing."
A debate, a healthy debate over the issues is what the Democrats need. Unfortunately, when it comes to crime, homelessness, open borders, DEI, Trans rights no one at the DNC wants to take the "wrong" side of any of those issues. The only problem, of course, is that anywhere from 60 to 80% of the voters are on the wrong side of those issues.
Walz speaks "petulence to power."
Waltz speaking style is....i don't know...maybe like Lucky in Godot? It almost makes sense till you listen to it.
High Quality Horse Shit from the good governor.
We are blessed to have such stupid and obnoxious enemies like Tim Walz.
You go, boy. Keep running your mouth.
Ah Coach Walz. He's got the dancing hands. He's light in his loafers. He is not all that smart. But I tell you, he's got a big lead on Bozo for the biggest clown in the Clown Hall of Fame.
hes like Elmer Fudd breaking bad, or John Candy's mao indoctrinated booster in Volunteers,
Touché, MadTownGuy!
his refusal to lend assistance to the private and independent schools two years, puts a not so humourous twist on the matter,
"Most qualified" again. I don't think they know what that means. Who could be more qualified to serve as President than something that had already been President once? Now, if we are talking who the most effective, the most helpful, the most leaderful, then maybe but "most qualified" is meaningless bullshit.
this rotten fortune cookie should just shut it for a day or a week,
Minnesota has the same problem as a number of other states, say Washington, Oregon, Illinois, New York, where the political power is concentrated in one very blue urban area. The rest of the state Is just a long for the ride.
Since 2015 their sole purpose was keeping Trump out of the White House. Thats all they talked about.
They failed miserably and haven't leaned a thing. For that, I am happy.
"Maybe Walz should ... try to provide decent governance to Minnesota"
That is waaaaaay beyond his skill set.
Dave Weigel is a liar. He reported on a meeting I attended, even sat next to me, and his article ignored every issue raised, even those with which he could find some ok reasons for disagreeing with, if he was more educated and ethical. He epitomizes the modern lefty journalist. No nothing; learn nothing, lie a lot.
Tampon Tim is trying to sound tough by saying bad words but he remains Tampon Tim.
Walz is just a horrible human being.
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