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"They said the film ['Barbie'] promoted homosexuality and insulted the image of women."

Said the mayor of Noisy-le-Sec, France, quoted in "Muslim youths shut down Barbie screening for ‘promoting homosexuality’/The incident in a Paris suburb plays into anxiety about cultural conflict in France, whose government says Islamists may be trying to undermine society.

This article is in the London Times, which I subscribe to and would like to trust to report the relevant facts, but I can't figure out what the "Muslim youths" did that shut down the Barbie screening. We're told there was an "incident" but not what it was and why it was enough to shut down what was to have been a free outdoor screening. The article quickly moves to the topic of "widespread anxiety" about Muslims "impos[ing] their traditions on French life."

The mayor is quoted saying "An incident at Noisy has been taken over by the far-right fringe to stigmatise a neighbourhood." If the "far-right" is spinning the incident, tell us what is the left-wing or moderate spin? Is not detailing what happened the best you can do? As for the mayor, he made a point of saying that "he had not mentioned the religion of the youths."

With 2 great search terms — Noisy-le-Sec and Barbie — I easily found an article in the Brussels Signal – which some sources identify as right wing — "French mayor cancels Barbie film screening due to threats of 'disruption.'" Here, we find more details, but word "Muslim" does not even appear:
According to [Mayor Olivier] Sarrabeyrouse, several municipal workers received direct threats from opponents who vowed to block the screening and destroy the equipment.

That's vague.  

“The officers called me because they felt they were in danger. I was the one who decided to cancel the screening,” he said. Sarrabeyrouse dismissed the protesters as an “extreme minority of hooligans” driven by “obscurantism” and “fundamentalism”...
“All over the world, the film sparked debate and gave rise to numerous interpretations. It provoked a reaction from the most reactionary and conservative ideologues, especially far-right, causing yet another moral panic,” he said....

The Brussels Signa presentation makes it hard to distinguish the critics of the disrupters from the disrupters!

"Obscurantism" is an important word in France, as discussed on this blog here and here. Both old posts quote this definition of Obscurantism: "the practice of deliberately presenting information in an imprecise, abstruse manner designed to limit further inquiry and understanding." Ha. That's my problem with these news articles!

ADDED: If I may rely on Grok...

The screening was abruptly cancelled just before it was set to begin at 9 p.m., after a group of approximately 10 to 15 young residents from the neighborhood confronted and pressured city workers who were installing the equipment. According to Mayor Olivier Sarrabeyrouse (from the French Communist Party, or PCF), the group encircled the agents and issued verbal threats, stating something to the effect of: "If you install [the equipment], we will dismantle everything and put an end to your session." This implied potential physical disruption or damage to the setup, and the mayor described it as threats of violence against public service agents, noting that similar incidents had occurred in the same neighborhood in the past... 

The opposers' stated reasons centered on the film's perceived promotion of homosexuality, transidentity, and what they called an "attack on the integrity of the woman," viewing it as too "woke" or ideologically objectionable. The mayor denounced these motivations as rooted in "obscurantism and fundamentalism instrumentalized for political ends," though he avoided explicitly labeling it as Islamist, instead attributing it to a "tiny minority of thugs" who likely hadn't even seen the movie....

ALSO: I asked Grok about the French use of the English word "woke." Answer:

In French, the concept of "wokeness" is most commonly referred to as "le wokisme," a direct borrowing and adaptation of the English term, where "woke" becomes "wokiste" (as an adjective for a person or idea) or simply "woke" in informal contexts.... 

Opinions on "wokisme" in France are highly polarized and often negative, framing it as a controversial ideology rather than a neutral awareness. Critics, including politicians from the right (e.g., Éric Zemmour, Marine Le Pen) and some on the left (e.g., former Education Minister Jean-Michel Blanquer), decry it as an imported threat to French republican universalism, accusing it of promoting division through identity politics, "cancel culture," and excessive focus on race, gender, or minority issues. It's seen as anti-French, leading to "submission" to foreign influences or even linked to broader cultural wars....

On the other side, supporters or those sympathetic to its principles (often from progressive, feminist, or anti-racist circles) argue that "wokisme" is a strawman term used to dismiss legitimate fights against discrimination, inequality, and systemic biases.... 

Polls show low support—only about 4% of French people identify with it positively—yet its ideas (e.g., inclusivity, environmental activism) influence education, media, and policy debates....

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BUMBLE BEE বলেছেন...

What, no beheadings?

john mosby বলেছেন...

I mean, the town is called Noisy - what was anyone expecting?

I'll see myself out....

RR
JSM

Leland বলেছেন...

“extreme minority of hooligans”

One? If such a small minority, how were they able to impose their will?

approximately 10 to 15 young

Maybe that's extreme minority; how many were supposed to be there? At a movie screening in my area; 10 to 15 people would probably be the entirety. If none of them wanted to watch it, then why even propose showing it? I'm confused as to whether these were "hooligans" or the people wishing the local political representations offered movie options that they wanted to see.

Yeah, the article is very poor in getting its point across.

Big Mike বলেছেন...

an "attack on the integrity of the woman”

By which they mean that the women must be subjugated and kept in their proper place relative to men.

Jersey Fled বলেছেন...

Hehehehee…..

I love it when the Left tries to deal with contrary views from a favored minority.

Jaq বলেছেন...

The London Times is no more trustworthy than Rachel Maddow when it comes to immigration or war or Trump. The UK media has been utterly captured, even The Guardian is a neocon rag now. European media is afraid to print any story that would offend any of their leaders, even Starmer, whose unpopularity is historic, and who has driven Britain off a cliff, is treated as the infallible arbiter of truth.

Jaq বলেছেন...

Labor and the Tories are both in on this policy, so the voters had no place to go to stop it. That's why Starmer has such a huge majority based on getting such a tiny percentage of the vote. Nobody turned up to vote because there was no real choice offered. No matter how unpopular Starmer becomes, his government will not fall because he got such a large number of seats in that sham election.

Lucien বলেছেন...

Wow. Imagine if there were scores of incidents of black American “youths” taking over stores to loot them, or doing “street takeovers” and the media reported on them without saying that 90% of the hoodlums were black?

Mary E. Glynn বলেছেন...

Ann, you know all grok is doing is a search of internet-accessible news stories and social media posts, right?

It's not like grok has access to some facts that have otherwise gone unreported in the stories you can find with a search. That's why you get so many "wrong" answers, because it's not an independent brain, just a quick search tool of what is currently available online...

Most info is not available online, and timely. You have to go to the local sources. Hth.

Mary E. Glynn বলেছেন...

(for someone who called herself a critical thinker, you sure do take grok as gospel...)

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

The French are just now figuring out what the Islamists are trying to do?

Iman বলেছেন...

We are all fallen angels in their eyes and must bow down to them. Better that they go home.

Leland বলেছেন...

The French are just now figuring out what the Islamists are trying to do?

Yeah, get to the UK, so they are helping them with boats.

Jaq বলেছেন...

Maybe, just maybe, if we stopped fighting wars in their countries, turning countries like Syria, Libya, Afghanistan, Iraq, Lebanon, etc, etc, to rubble...

Naah! That's too much!

This is how Rome fell, but easy transportation and mass communication is speeding up the process.

Jaq বলেছেন...

Qaddafi warned us, told us that he was holding back the tide. We didn't care and the "peaceful alliance" NATO took him out, and he was sodomized with an AK-47 before he was killed.

Randomizer বলেছেন...

Threats from Muslim youths have forced a Paris suburban council to cancel a screening of the film Barbie,

The suburban council in Paris simply had no other choice. The only possible action was to obey the teenagers. Yes, we sometimes have that problem in America.

Usually this happens when the people in charge agree with the thugs.

boatbuilder বলেছেন...

Oh those horrible "right-wingers!"

boatbuilder বলেছেন...

"Obscurantism" sounds like the editorial policy of the NYT and NPR.

Howard বলেছেন...

Pfffffft. Another obscure trifling anecdotal scrap of local news blown out of proportion to ignite agita. Prepare to remain independent. Resistance is mandatory.

Iman বলেছেন...

surrender monkey
will cheese and fine wine save you?
you are all hebdo

Iman বলেছেন...

muslim invasion
days of the jackals writ large
SEND THEM ALL BACK HOME

Wince বলেছেন...

Obscurantism against the Barbie Girl music video is no vice!

https://youtu.be/ZyhrYis509A?si=Q0vo3HqXwPte1mnr

EdwdLny বলেছেন...

Islam is poison to every civilized society everywhere, every single time. Throughout history islam has been poison to every civilized society everywhere, every single time. They aren't the only danger. Those who support unrestricted immigration did this, deliberately. The outcome was entirely predictable. Perhaps America can save itself, despite democrat collusion. Time will tell.

MadTownGuy বলেছেন...

Howard said...

"Pfffffft. Another obscure trifling anecdotal scrap of local news blown out of proportion to ignite agita. Prepare to remain independent. Resistance is mandatory."

No, it's a symptom of a larger ailment.

If you're not outraged, you're not paying attention.

Achilles বলেছেন...

What do the rulers of Europe do when they figure out that their native residents cannot defeat Russia for them?

They get new soldiers.

Achilles বলেছেন...

boatbuilder said...
Oh those horrible "right-wingers!"

The rulers of Europe know who their true enemies are.

They are the people between them and power.

In this case people who oppose the idea of Europe conquering nearby countries to steal their resources.

If you want to know the real reason that Europe is so hell bent on getting the US to subdue Russia all you have to do is look at the recent history in the Sahel Africa.

Russia just kicked France and the other colonizers out of the Sahel.

Ralph L বলেছেন...

Ronald Colman's cameo in "Around the World in 80 Days" included the line "I didn't read it in the Times" or something like it. It's because they'd be arrested if they criticized Muslims.

I'm not sure whom I want to expel more, militant Muslims or their Western Quislings.

Achilles বলেছেন...

One interesting thing is that instead of going for African Muslims from freed colonies Europe is going for central Asian Muslims to be their soldiers.

Could it be that central Asian Muslims were the creators of slavery and have a long history of conquering surrounding kingdoms and no recent history of kicking France out of their country?

Spiros বলেছেন...

I think Trump should forbid first cousin marriages among immigrants and green card holders. If you're a Muslim migrant to the U.S., you have no business bringing over your wife who is also your first cousin (or, even worse, half sister). These people are having too many retarded and mentally ill children. Too many handicapped kids. Enough is enough.

Oh and guess what? Right now, all of sudden and for no apparent reason, the medical schools are telling us that inbreeding contributes nothing to the etiology of complex diseases such as schizophrenia. Inbred kids are no more likely to be mentally ill than other kids!!! Does anyone seriously believe this garbage?

Temujin বলেছেন...

France has accepted a lot from their new Muslim rulers, including summer-long riots, entire arrondissements where no others are welcome, stabbings, rapes, and murders ranging from an old lady tossed over her own balcony, to a grocery store mass murder.
But they're now at a crossroads because the reality of the gay world colliding with the Muslim world is here. The French will accept a lot. But THIS? This might be a bridge too far. Or not. It might simply be their future.

Bob Boyd বলেছেন...

The Charlie Hebdo attackers won. The terrorists conquered the French.

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

What Churchill said.

Achilles বলেছেন...

Bob Boyd said...
The Charlie Hebdo attackers won. The terrorists conquered the French.

The French people were conquered by an alliance of imported Muslims and the French Political Elite.

What will be interesting is watching the French Elite try to rebuild the foreign legion with a more Muslim flavor.

The French Elite will never forgive their people for not fighting hard enough to keep the Sahel under control.

Vance বলেছেন...

1) Barbie wasn't a great film, but to threaten to chop off the heads of the projectionists? Man, that's a harsh review.

2) Where are Inga, Freder, Rich, and the like to speak out against this? They certainly sprang to the defense of the LGBT community yesterday, spewing attacks against me and many others for daring to question their sacred LGBT friends. Here? Dead silence. Why is that?

Achilles বলেছেন...

Temujin said...

But they're now at a crossroads because the reality of the gay world colliding with the Muslim world is here. The French will accept a lot. But THIS? This might be a bridge too far. Or not. It might simply be their future.

You think gay people are going to join the army and invade Russia now that the US has made it clear they wont be Europe's invasion force?

They were a means to get votes and win a few elections. Otherwise they serve no purpose to the people who rule France.

n.n বলেছেন...

Liberal ranges and progressive projections. Transgender spectrum (e.g. homosexual) angst. Is it Barbie or "Bob"? We see the same problem in politically congruent ("=") communities that socially distance themselves through proffering of faded symbols. #NoJudgment #NoLabels #EquivocalInclusion

hawkeyedjb বলেছেন...

If it really was a "small minority," the problem could be solved - now and for the future - by splitting a few heads. Or you could just surrender.

Kirk Parker বলেছেন...

Begley,

> What Churchill said

Churchill said many things--a veritable torrent--billions of words, perhaps.

I assume you were thinking about his famous quote from The River War?

narciso বলেছেন...

the ban lieus version of siskel and ebert are quite harsh, I thought that oppenheimer was not given the due attention

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent বলেছেন...

What if, in this instance, it wasn’t Muzzies that shut down the screening, but ordinary conservative French people? Wouldn’t that be far more frightening to the Establishment?

narciso বলেছেন...

well that would be the next coming of vichy,

Aggie বলেছেন...

"...cultural conflict in France, whose government says Islamists may be trying to undermine society....."

You mean they're not certain, yet?

narciso বলেছেন...

oh the Communists are involved, they will kill those kuffars next,

Dave Begley বলেছেন...

Kirk Parker:

Of course.

And I knew the Althouse community would know the quote.

Quaestor বলেছেন...

“extreme minority of hooligans”

When hooligans stop being a minority they stop being hooligans, don't they?

Muslims hate homosexuality; Hitler was a vegetarian who banned smoking anywhere near him. Tis an ill wind, as they say in Scotland.

n.n বলেছেন...

They have a lot of reconciling to do.

Lazarus বলেছেন...

Everybody's a critic ...

I'll have to weigh my dislike of fundamentalism, obscurantism and hooliganism against my loathing for Margot Robbie, but I guess free speech is more important.

Anyway, if your village gets too Noisy, I've heard there's a city in the south that's very Nice.

narciso বলেছেন...

I liked her in the Tarzan film, less in Suicide Squad,

hombre বলেছেন...

Surrender monkeys meet their emerging masters.

Sebastian বলেছেন...

“All over the world, the film sparked debate" LOL. Like, among Muslims? Anyway, this is nothing. Wait till EU Muslims start canceling not the promotion of homosexuality but actual gays and lesbians. So far, they've mostly been going after white girls/women, easy targets, no longer enjoying prog protection. But will progs do when their actual sacred cows start being slain?

Lazarus বলেছেন...

She lost me with that cameo in "The Big Short," but to be fair, that was probably the idiot writer/director's idea, not her fault.

Jaq বলেছেন...

Howard is right. If these events of which you speak are not reported in the media, they must not exist! Who knows what the London Times is hiding in its coverage? Not me. Probably a simple editing error. One thing that I am sure of is that it couldn't possibly be what you lot think it is! Because reasons, did you get that? Because reasons.

The Middle Coast বলেছেন...

One man’s obscurantism is another man’s paper of record.

Craig Mc বলেছেন...

Screen El Cid instead.

Levi Starks বলেছেন...

Mayor: we’re going to insist you ignore the actions of the people we insisted you accept.

Achilles বলেছেন...

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent said...
What if, in this instance, it wasn’t Muzzies that shut down the screening, but ordinary conservative French people? Wouldn’t that be far more frightening to the Establishment?

If it was ordinary conservative French people Macron would happily throw them in jail and declare them NAZIs.

WhoKnew বলেছেন...

What Aggie said. "The incident in a Paris suburb plays into anxiety about cultural conflict in France, whose government says Islamists may be trying to undermine society." Everyone in France knows the Islamists are trying to undermine society. They are quite open about wanting sharia law and transforming France into just another outpost of the coming caliphate. If there is any spine left in the French political body, this will end in a bloody civil war because Islam is incompatible with civilisation française. Or any version of western civilization , including ours.

Narr বলেছেন...

No planet can exist, half free and half Muzzie.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

I dont see any reason why the "Muslim Community" should be attacked for trying to gatekeep and censor. How are they different from the other french "communites" that do the same thing? If a small "minority of thugs" shut down something because they thought it was "antisemitic" everyone here would be cheering.

You're either in favor of religious diversity or you're not.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

I was listening to Greenblatt of the ADL on Youtube, and he proudly brags about disrupting and censoring any group he doesn't like, or any group he thinks is "Bad for Israel" or "Bad for the Jews". That includes anyone who doesn't like open borders or wants to restrict immigration. And the ADL has now labeled "America First" an "extremist phrase".

This is the USA, not France. The french have never believed in free speech. They've tried to charge Le Pen, who ran 2nd in the last race for President, with "Hate speech violations" in the past. IRC, her father was sent to jail for "Disrepecting the Holocaust".

Meanwhile, in England, bobbies are montioring everyone's twitter accounts for "hate speech". LOL.

Kirk Parker বলেছেন...

Narr: you and Samuel Huntington, eh?

Narr বলেছেন...

IIRC, Huntington was actually rather squishy on the whole issue of what would be necessary to cope with the threat.
Correct me if I'm wrong.

There's no way this ends without violence all over Western Europe at a minimum.

Biff বলেছেন...

The Daily Mail may be a cheap tabloid, but they do tend to share more information than many other sources. Some samples from their article on the incident:

"The mayor said a group of some 10 to 15 individuals 'surrounded the offices' and threatened to 'take everything down and put an end to your session'."

"According to the mayor, several municipal workers received violent threats from the group of 'hooligans' who vowed to stop the screening and destroy equipment."

"'I condemn this kind of moral censorship, but I also condemn this exploitation,' he added, noting that 'transphobia and homophobia are not reserved for a section of the population' and that 'the extreme right and the right have been fighting these battles for years.'"

"The mayor of Noisy-Le-Sec, a suburb of Paris with a large North African community, did not identify the 'aggressive' group who made the threat."

"The mayor also commented on how the film had 'provoked a reaction from the most reactionary and conservative ideologues, particularly on the far right, by provoking yet another moral panic.'"

Biff বলেছেন...

Those darned "reactionary and conservative ideologues". Always creating a ruckus when everything is just fine!

Iman বলেছেন...

“You're either in favor of religious diversity or you're not.”

Muslims believe non-Muslims to be “fallen angels” who must be made to bow down before them. They tolerate no one. They add nothing. They are takers, not givers. You give them an inch and they’ll take your country.

Narr বলেছেন...

Shitty ideas and practices don't stop being shitty because someone says they are religious ideas.

Islam is an ideology at odds with modernity (not to mention common sense) and should be treated as a mental and moral menace.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

"Islam is an ideology at odds with modernity (not to mention common sense) and should be treated as a mental and moral menace."

I'm sure the 2 billion muslims in the world, including the millions in the USA will be glad to know your opinion.

Narr বলেছেন...

So what?

Tina Trent বলেছেন...

It's an impressively stupid film.

They should alternate nights of forced viewing of it with Sex and the City and Just Like That at Gucanamo Bay.






RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

So what?

So there.

RCOCEAN II বলেছেন...

Maybe they thought it was the film about Klaus Barbie. He didn't like Muzzies either.

Bunkypotatohead বলেছেন...

Next time they should show some Mohammed cartoons before the main feature. Something to pacify the "Muslim youths".

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