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"If a lawyer brought me this file and asked if it was suitable for court, I’d say no. Go back to the source. Do it right. Do a direct export from the original system—no monkey business."

Said Hany Farid, "a professor at UC Berkeley whose research focuses on digital forensics and misinformation."

Quoted in "Metadata Shows the FBI’s ‘Raw’ Jeffrey Epstein Prison Video Was Likely Modified/There is no evidence the footage was deceptively manipulated, but ambiguities around how the video was processed may further fuel conspiracy theories about Epstein’s death" (Wired).
Metadata embedded in the video and analyzed by WIRED and independent video forensics experts shows that rather than being a direct export from the prison’s surveillance system, the footage was modified, likely using the professional editing tool Adobe Premiere Pro. The file appears to have been assembled from at least two source clips, saved multiple times, exported, and then uploaded to the DOJ’s website, where it was presented as 'raw' footage. Experts caution that it’s unclear what exactly was changed, and that the metadata does not prove deceptive manipulation. The video may have simply been processed for public release using available software, with no modifications beyond stitching together two clips. But the absence of a clear explanation for the processing of the file using professional editing software complicates the Justice Department’s narrative...."

If it was manipulated — and still presented as raw — that was done for a reason. What was the reason if not to deceive? You can't say there is "no evidence" of a proposition when there is a basis for inference. If you manipulate to deceive, you try to cover your tracks. Portraying the footage as raw when it is not raw is itself deceit. The question is how far does the deceit go.

The phrase "the metadata does not prove deceptive manipulation" jumps out at me, because it leaves open the proposition that the metadata is probative of deceptive manipulation and certainly doesn't mean that the the metadata proves that there was no deceptive manipulation.

And the phrase "processed for public release" is maddening. What we wanted to see was unprocessed video. Why process it for us? The processing is what makes us suspect manipulation, so it should be the last thing you would want to do. If there were 2 clips, you could give us 2 clips. You didn't need to "stitch" them together. So "no modifications beyond stitching together two clips" sounds fishy.

Finally: "[T]he FBI did not respond to specific questions about the file’s processing, instead referring WIRED to the DOJ. The DOJ in turn referred inquiries back to the FBI and the Bureau of Prisons. The BOP did not respond to a request for comment.... One media forensics expert... put it bluntly: 'It looks suspicious—but not as suspicious as the DOJ refusing to answer basic questions about it.'"

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rhhardin म्हणाले...

It's called chain of custody

Leland म्हणाले...

Don’t really care what the video shows. We knew before his death that Epstein was put on suicide watch. That typically means procedures are put in place to prevent self harm. If you claim he was successful, then where is the explanation of the failure in the procedures? Telling me nothing adverse happened falls flat with the evidence that Epstein is dead of unnatural causes in an environment meant to prevent just that from occurring.

Christopher B म्हणाले...

Well, I'm skeptical of skepticism.

1) Is the export from the camera system in a format generally compatible with modern web viewing? I don't think that's a given.

2) You can always selectively release footage and then make a 'dog ate my homework' claim about the rest (IIRC that's what the initial investigation provided). You don't have to clip it in Photoshop.

3) Exactly what kind of manipulation, beyond binding the two clips into a single file, is actually being alleged? None that I can see. This is more "Just Asking Questions" bullshit.

The DOJ, FBI, and everybody else wants this to go away, and I don't necessarily blame them for not continuing to feed the story. It is really amazing to see the same sources that heaped derision on the theory that Epstein didn't kill himself do a 180 and claim the release of documentation that supports the conclusion that was what happened as evidence of some kind of malfeasance. It's almost like their motive is searching for anything negative they can print about Trump.

Rusty म्हणाले...

At this point the FBI has had so much time to manipulate any evidence that it is likely nothing of any value is left. You can't point a finger at Bondi. She has to work with what she has. I don't know why Bongino and Patel are grandstanding.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Jeffrey Epstein was going to go to trial for crimes he knew the FBI had no evidence of and he would be exonerated. He had no client list and he wasn't blackmailing anyone and there was no child sex going on.

So he killed himself.

Sure.

Epstein was CIA/Mossad.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

"It's called chain of custody"

Correct. The term is used in the article, which I tried to elide as much as possible. I counted on readers here to know what the lawyer is talking about is called "chain of custody." Would you have preferred an edit that included the term?

Achilles म्हणाले...

I will note that King Charles is now free to travel.

Wonder what England paid for that.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

"I don't know why Bongino and Patel are grandstanding."

Why do Bongino and Patel always look like they're hiding something? Their eyes!

Dave Begley म्हणाले...

Both Kash and Dan have “bug” eyes. All the time.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse said...
"It's called chain of custody"

Correct. The term is used in the article, which I tried to elide as much as possible. I counted on readers here to know what the lawyer is talking about is called "chain of custody." Would you have preferred an edit that included the term?

Most of the people here would understand that because there are a lot of lawyers around and this board is generally people who absorb that.

But ideally when I start using jargon from one of the fanciful fields of study I try to be descriptive and put it out in plain words fairly often.

I consider it good practice and it bridges gaps between professional fields.

I think it also helps in sorting out those who want to engage and those who don't. In order for higher level of discussions to occur you need to have a common agreed upon framework for conveying information.

This helps boil down the two questions that should rear up and ask themselves:

1. Why has the story changed on the video so many times? First it was destroyed. Now there is only 1 minute missing.

This is bullshit.

2. Why would you not keep such an important piece of evidence inside a chain of custody? Why would you release a modified video with broken metadata?

if the goal is to create distrust mission accomplished.

And bonus question time Pam Bondi said the videos of child sex were on her desk. Now there are no videos and no files. We have eye witnesses and victims but the evidence is all gone and we are just going to move on?

What the fuck?

There is no way Pam Bondi can retain any credibility after this. She is done. She may take the administration down with her. She has to be fired even in the most charitable interpretation of events.

MadTownGuy म्हणाले...

I asked Grok: Is there a logical fallacy term for the phrase 'without evidence?'

"The logical fallacy term most closely associated with making claims "without evidence" is argumentum ad ignorantiam (argument from ignorance). This fallacy occurs when someone asserts that a claim is true (or false) simply because there is no evidence to prove otherwise. For example:"There’s no evidence that aliens don’t exist, so they must exist."
"There’s no evidence this treatment is harmful, so it must be safe."

gilbar म्हणाले...

IF they wanted a list, and they didn't have one;
they'd be compiling one.. instead, they've closed the case.

IF they wanted to show the video, and the only one was edited;
they'd TELL us it was edited.. instead, they've pretended it was raw

Every Person in Washington is GUILTY, and should be shot.
EVERY SINGLE ONE

Leland म्हणाले...

I agree with you Rusty. I get the notion that Bondi grandstanded on this stuff months ago and now it is embarrassing. But the ones making this more than it should be today are Patel and Bongino. None of this seems to be advancing the agenda that needs to be done. With their budget having problems in committee, this seems like a dumb time to be having an internal fight, if there isn’t is ever a good time.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Rusty said...
At this point the FBI has had so much time to manipulate any evidence that it is likely nothing of any value is left. You can't point a finger at Bondi. She has to work with what she has. I don't know why Bongino and Patel are grandstanding.

She said she had the files and evidence on her desk. She made promises to release it all.

Now there are no files and there is no evidence.

At best she made everyone involved in this in the administration including Bongino and Patel look like stupid assholes.

She must go.

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

It's almost like they want everyone to be suspicious of the video. Who would benefit from that?
Maybe Trump wants the public clamoring for him to expose the clients because it scares them and makes them more cooperative.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

It’s Zapruder de-ja-vu all over again.

Kakistocracy म्हणाले...

Interesting that Trump’s personal criminal defense lawyer Blanche seems to have been installed at DOJ to squash the Epstein investigation.

Wilbur म्हणाले...

Who possessed these videos, when, and what actions were taken with them?

These should not be difficult questions to answer in these extraordinary circumstances. Why are they not being addressed them publicly?

Money Manger म्हणाले...

The mystery to me is how information and evidence that is solar-core hot, and has been disseminated at least beyond a single digit number of people ( see Dershowitz), hasn't leaked. A career-making rocket ship for any journalist.
The chances of any secret being kept secret are 1/(2^X) where X = # of people who know.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

You know what. I’ve noticed the Patel, Bongino eyes too. Hegseth is supposed to be the alcoholic, but he’s the always looking spiffy.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

Yeah. At this point nobody has any good reason to believe anything about Epstein. I'm not even sure he's dead.

Dogma and Pony Show म्हणाले...

"We knew before his death that Epstein was put on suicide watch. That typically means procedures are put in place to prevent self harm. "

It also typically means the person is suicidal.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Ok if Bondi goes, who should be the AG? Serious question.

RR
JSM

Humperdink म्हणाले...

Want a list? Give Ghislaine Maxwell immunity.

mezzrow म्हणाले...

In love, belief without evidence is a fool's pursuit.
Why should justice be any different?
Within the world of Bondi, Patel, and Bongino, the universal question is "how did we get here, and how do we get out."
Trump ran the "forget about this unimportant thing" tactic, like the master he is. Meanwhile, it sits there, as unsightly as the piece of tape some guy left on a door in the Watergate back in 1970 something. The level of tradecraft has to level up, or this is going to start making a a giant sucking sound.

Evidence or confession. Which of these?

Dogma and Pony Show म्हणाले...

This all seems like a huge, worthless distraction that's now being amplified by anti-Trump powers in an effort to divide his supporters.

To those of you who are obsessed with Epstein: What do you expect will be the end result of this pursuit? Do you really think that you'll ever see an authentic list showing names of famous people who paid Epstein to have sex with underage girls, and video of someone hired by one of those famous names going into his prison cell and staging a murder to look like a suicide? And if not that, what else would it take to move on to something a little more consequential to the future fate of the U.S.?

Fred Drinkwater म्हणाले...

I want to hear from Rosemary Woods about all this.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

Bob Boyd--In the absence of a better explanation, I'm leaning towards the Bagoh theory. Trump wants the Dems to demand that the entire Epstein file be made public, so he can do just that.

But the whole thing is baffling.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Chain of custody doesn't solve the problem but you at least get first person testimony about what happened.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

To those of you who are obsessed with Epstein: What do you expect will be the end result of this pursuit? Do you really think that you'll ever see an authentic list showing names of famous people who paid Epstein to have sex with underage girls, and video of someone hired by one of those famous names going into his prison cell and staging a murder to look like a suicide? And if not that, what else would it take to move on to something a little more consequential to the future fate of the U.S.?

I for one am not "obsessed with Epstein." I'm wondering why we are being so blatantly lied to and stonewalled about this. Trump and Bondi didn't have to hype that they were going to release the entire file. They could have just let it go as another "unsolved mystery."
Also--at the time of his "suicide," Epstein was the single most newsworthy prisoner in any prison facility anywhere. Yet they somehow weren't watching and the cameras were turned off.
It stunk then, and it stinks more now.

rehajm म्हणाले...

I reject the analysis. Every grade school photography buff knows every video every image needs some kinds of processing so Adobe is not itself is nor damning in the least. Not even the article makes the claim other than to allege two video files were merged….

…more damming for the accusers is the quotes surrounding ‘raw’. In a world where lawyers find it ‘ballsy’ to reinvent meanings for words and/or apply an inapplicable alternative definition to a word being used, those quotes are important. RAW is a file format that is dark and mostly un-viewable in an unprocessed state. A deceptive media would find no shame in using ‘raw’ for RAW in their deception. Fuck them….and same to you if you don't approve of this explanation. Live by the dan rathet fakery die by the dan rather fakery…

Temujin म्हणाले...

The way to reduce the conspiracy talk is complete and expeditious transparency. We've had the opposite of that. And every step, every utterance from AG Bondi, every media attempt to call out people for questioning the delivery of information only spurs more conspiracy talk.

And it's not just that there is this one instance of hiccups coming from our government when it comes to being open and truthful. Let's face it, there have been decades- a national life full of it. I'm not sure we've had an honest discussion by our government since they debated the Declaration of Independence.

The truth shouldn't be this hard. We all teach our kids (or other people's kids) the difference between right and wrong, and the importance of telling the truth. It's so funny that they think the people cannot handle the truth. The reality is that they cannot handle the truth. But somehow they can. Good of them to 'cover' for us.

Iman म्हणाले...

Mosby… I’m not a lawyer, but… if Bondi goes, I think Harmeet Dillon would be a good replacement.

Cappy म्हणाले...

Very good point.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Iman: Harmeet, yes! Good one! Any senator with qualms can be accused of anti-Sikhism.

RR
JSM

john mosby म्हणाले...

Don’t want the Admin to have too many subcontinentals, though. The MAGA base really resents Urjeet from customer support. And the blacks and Hispanics hate how south Asians are taking over urban elites.

RR
JSM

Iman म्हणाले...

Yes, and I have it on good authority that teh Sikhs are fond of knives too. That would come in handy!

jim5301 म्हणाले...

Boatbuilder - let me get this straight. Trump really wants to release the entire file but didn't because he is waiting for democrats to demand that he do so (some have). And then he will release it. Do I have that right? Do your boats float?

Trump traveled with Epstein Seven Times. SEVEN. They regularly partied together in the 1990s at Mar-a-Lago. Both have been found guilty of sex abuse. Trump was sued by a 13 year old charging him with sex abuse though the case was later dismissed.

Trump decides not to release the file. The next day he berates a reporter who asked a question about it. Gee, I wonder who has something to hide?

Almost as many democrats as republicans believe that Epstein did not commit suicide. It really isn't a political issue. The truth is that a lot of dem and republican politicians are sleazeballs who commit sex crimes.

Iman म्हणाले...

Did Jack Elam have bug eyes?

Space City Girl म्हणाले...

I am not seeing anything sinister here—only an unfamiliarity with technical processes that allow us to upload data to computer form, etc. I use Adobe to change Word documents to PDF form. The Word documents are “manipulated” but the new pdf conveys identical information to the “raw” Word document. I suspect that the equivalent has been done here with the video. And the Dems are now trying to make a big deal out of this for political gain.

Iman म्हणाले...

“The truth is that a lot of dem and republican politicians are sleazeballs who commit sex crimes.”

Since it’s Saturday, let’s get real here:

The only “sex crime” that bothered Democrats was when teh bull elephant mounted the donkey.

john mosby म्हणाले...

Leo Terrell would make a good replacement AG as well. And the hearings would be orgasmic.

RR
JSM

Iman म्हणाले...

Leo underwent quite a conversion.

rehajm म्हणाले...

My guess is they- they being the us government et al, they are obliging a foreign entity, request for discretion, prolly the royal family avoiding more andrew embarrassment at home. Something we all knew already..:

Ron Winkleheimer म्हणाले...

I'm sitting here, next to a bookshelf, with my text book on digital forensics. "Digital Crime and Forensic Science in Cyberspace." Got it when I was getting my masters. Guess what it says about evidence and computer files. Direct export. And there a plenty of tools for that that are certified so that the file can be used in court. The really weird thing here is that there is no way that the metadata wouldn't reveal that it wasn't raw footage. That is easy to detect. So, who is handling this data that they wouldn't know that?

gilbar म्हणाले...

so..
how many days ago, was it?
when they told us; EVERY DAY on EVERY CAMERA is missing that minute?

how many MORE days, will it be?
before they show us another day's video, from another camera?

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

A few random thoughts about what has gone on here:

1. Jeffrey Epstein was a construct. Where did he get his money? What happened to it? Did his origin story make any sense?
2. He mixed with a strange set of folks (Leon Black, Leslie Wexner, Jes Staley, Prince Andrew, Bill Clinton), many of whom had only superficial knowledge of him.
3. If Trump had exposure, the DOJ under Biden would have promoted it to high heaven.
4. Ghislaine Maxwell is an odd companion for Epstein. Her father Robert Maxwell ("Cap'n Bob"), owner of the Daily Express and the NY Daily News, looted their pension plans to keep his sinking ventures going, jumped or was pushed from his yacht, and was buried on the Mount of Olives in Israel within 24 hours. Mossad, anyone?
5. Robert Maxwell is worthy of a thriller novel himself--a completely self-created person who talked , bullied, and blustered his way into the corridors of power in the UK. He won the Military Cross (pinned on his uniform by Field Marshall Bernard Law Montgomery) for his exploits in the Czech army in exile during WWII. He was a Labour MP for six years in the 60s. There was strong evidence (including his burial in Jerusalem), that he had strong ties to the Israeli security services. During the 1980s, two people had permission to fly their helicopters across central London: Prince Charles and Robert Maxwell.
6. Epstein was part of someone's security apparatus, probably Israel but maybe the USA. Nothing about him seems real. He was fishing in political and financial waters to gain leverage for someone. He was such a creep that his security connections would be extremely embarrassed to be exposed.
7. There is a high likelihood that Epstein will just turn out to be an elusive but empty reflection of human vices--no fortune, no clients, nothing but a few sad but wealthy characters (Prince Andrew, Jes Staley, Leslie Wexner) hanging around a low-grade pimping operation.

exhelodrvr1 म्हणाले...

Or, Epstein did not keep a “list” and the accompanying incriminating videos, but just pretended to. Everybody assumed he did, and now they have to figure out how to backtrack without admitting they were wrong. And unfortunately, From a practical perspective, at this point there are many higher priorities.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

The focus on a "list" is misleading. Deliberately misleading?

john mosby म्हणाले...

Prof: "The focus on a "list" is misleading."

Yes, kind of like the use/misuse of "wiretap" in 2016. But this time, it seems like everyone is misusing it, or at least each one is using it sincerely to mean something slightly different.

As another commenter speculated, it could be deliberate FUD on Trump's part, to keep the opposition jumpy.

And it's difficult to tell Kash and Bongino that it's FUD, especially the longer you wait.

RR
JSM

john mosby म्हणाले...

Even/especially if you're a completely virtuous Epstein associate - like you took a free ride from him to bring organs from an accident to an ER - you have something to fear from exposing your association. Best case is having to repeat a thousand times, "no, no, I was just bringing a pancreas to LaGuardia!" Worst case is years of process as punishment when someone crafts a prima-facie civil case or PC criminal one against you.

In a world where you can spend millions on defense even when someone can't remember what year you raped her, this is a real threat.

RR
JSM

Wa St Blogger म्हणाले...

1) Is the export from the camera system in a format generally compatible with modern web viewing? I don't think that's a given.

I work in the digi forensics area of law enforcement, specifically in the technical area. There are many proprietary video systems, and it is frustrating for evidence technicians to deal with, but there are processes in place to deal with that. All systems that I know of that use proprietary formats also provide viewers that will accompany the video. In most situations, law enforcement will (must in most cases) provide both modified video as well as the raw video so that it can be examined. Without that, the material is pretty much inadmissible in court.

The government is trying to weasel out of a sticky situation by equivocation. We will not get the truth because the consequences are too high and they would rather look incompetent than allow the truth out. Think about this. It is not hard to produce the facts, but the truth is worse than what we speculate it to be because there are people everywhere who will create the distraction and disinformation necessary to muddy the waters.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

If there were incriminating videos that could be used to damage someone, any of the people Epstein is known to be connected to, then there would have been leaks of these videos in several instances already- D.C. is a sieve when it comes to sort of shit. Since none of this videos have leaked, the simplest explanation is that there is no one in them of any political importance to damage.

The same goes for the CCTV video- were there any versions at all that supported the claim that Epstein was murdered in his cell, those would have been leaked or a credible whistle-blower would have come forward to explicitly claim illicit editing.

As for the "list"- I am sure that government investigators have Epstein's phone and e-mail contacts but I doubt either of those lists contain decriptions at all about sexual predation facilitated by Epstein. There is zero incentive for Epstein's contacts to make such explicitly self-damaging e-mails and texts, and there is little incentive for Epstein to have done so.

Bondi, Patel,and Bongino appear to have made many claims about what was in these case files before they had actually had the time to look at any of it and, after they had looked at it, figured out that there really wasn't much there that would ever quash the speculation. Think about it- had they released any of the child-porn where none of the adults in the images, if any, were recognizable figures of power or released a simple list of Epstein's phone and e-mail contacts with no incriminating evidence of wrong-doing, would that satisfy the conspiracy theorists? Almost certainly not. I think Bondi, Patel, and Bongino are facing the no-win scenario right now and disagree on how to proceed.

Mr. Majestyk म्हणाले...

If Trump had been on Epstein's list, he wouldn't have campaigned on releasing the list.

Wa St Blogger म्हणाले...

Or, Epstein did not keep a “list” and the accompanying incriminating videos, but just pretended to. Everybody assumed he did, and now they have to figure out how to backtrack without admitting they were wrong. And unfortunately, From a practical perspective, at this point there are many higher priorities.

There is no way they didn’t know. These people are not neophytes. Nothing they say in regards to such a highly prominent issue is not carefully considered. They would not be so sloppy. The only logical answer is that there was other information they did not know that made them have to eat their words.

boatbuilder म्हणाले...

Sure, Jimmy Numbers.
Why wasn't the information regarding Trump's alleged guilt leaked during the Biden administration? Why would Trump make an issue of releasing the files if he knew there was evidence of his alleged guilt there? And who are all of the prominent Democrats calling for the release of the files (before last week)?

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

There are two living persons I am 100% sure are not Epstein clients- myself and Donald Trump.

NKP म्हणाले...

And the Mapes/Rather Emmy for Video Editing this year goes to...

"Cover-up" - Oh when will they ever learn, Oh when will they ever learn ??????

rehajm म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse said...
The focus on a "list" is misleading. Deliberately misleading?


Certainly could be, yes yes…

hombre म्हणाले...

Why does anybody give a shit about Epstein’s “files”. If it’s about Clinton what else is there to know? He’s a sex addict, a crook and an old man. If it’s about anybody else, who cares other than the mediaswine. We used to be able to say the people of the right were generally not as petty as the lefties. By now it’s close and Trump is a leading Lilliputian.

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

Mike Benz - "DOJ-OPR, has the transcribed interview it conducted with Alex Acosta per its Nov 2020 report about the allegations of Epstein’s intelligence ties. Make that Acosta transcript public, so we know what was asked and answered."

https://x.com/i/status/1943930305615724603

loudogblog म्हणाले...

There were just too many rich and powerful people involved with this. We'll never know the truth.

Inga म्हणाले...

There are probably thousands of pages of court transcripts and investigations. Why not publish these? It doesn’t need to be wrapped up with a pretty bow and called a “list”.

Inga म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Inga म्हणाले...

“There are two living persons I am 100% sure are not Epstein clients- myself and Donald Trump.”

Well I’m sure you were never an Epstein client, he didn’t deal with unimportant small fries. As for Trump, how will we ever know? There is most likely a massive coverup directed by Trump himself through Pam Bondi to protect him and his cohorts of powerful pedophiles. Why does Trump get so testy when asked about the Epstein Files? Most people even many of Trump’s own supporters say this makes him look suspicious as hell

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Dingabat- the Epstein files were in the possession of both Obama and Biden's DoJ- only a moron would ever believe neither of them would have leaked any information in them about Trump that was damaging. The same, by the way, applies to any Congressman, Senator, or high profile businessman- if it hasn't leaked out by now it never existed in the first place.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

"To those of you who are obsessed with Epstein: What do you expect will be the end result of this pursuit?"
Epstein was allegedly running a blackmail operation. If so, the fact that he was never prosecuted for blackmail would indicate that it was a successful blackmail operation. The question then arises; Successful how? If he was just working for himself, then it was financially successful. But if he was working for CIA/Mossad, then we can assume that it was successful in achieving the objectives of those organizations. And presumably, until that blackmail operation is exposed, it will continue to be successful, as long as Epstein's "clients" continue to have power or influence.
So, the question is; Are you OK with our country being run by people who are being blackmailed, successfully, by persons unknown? It sounds like a lot of you are, but maybe you just haven't thought it through.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

Once you think it through, you'll realize that Epstein was not killed to protect the people on some "client list". He was killed to protect the value of the blackmail material he had gathered, so that it can continue to be used by whoever has it. And that operation was successful.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Jupiter म्हणाले...

"The same, by the way, applies to any Congressman, Senator, or high profile businessman- if it hasn't leaked out by now it never existed in the first place."
You are arguing that blackmail never occurs, because if it did, you would know all about it.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

The jail video is a total red herring. The question is; What was on all the hard drives confiscated from Epstein's mansion? And if Bondi's answer is, "Kiddie porn", that's another red herring. Epstein placed video recording equipment in the bedrooms in his mansion, and arranged for lots of wealthy and powerful men to have sex with underage girls in those bedrooms. Right now, the DOJ and the FBI are saying, in effect, that they have no idea why he did this, nor who those men were. And they are not the least bit interested in finding out. Is that even remotely credible? Could that possibly be true?

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Jupiter, is the DoJ blackmailing the same people Jeffrey Epstein is alleged to have blackmailed? The DoJ has had these videos for over 6 years now and none of them have leaked? You can't piss on a toilet seat in D.C. without someone leaking it out to WaPo if it serves a political purpose. Sheesh, just given the huge blowback against Trump and Bondi over this would be a prime time to start leaking the materials you claim are being hidden.

Lazarus म्हणाले...

Norm Lubow (a.k.a. "Al Taylor" a.k.a. "Jack Briggs" a.k.a. Ron X) was behind that rape lawsuit and others. He's an inveterate hoaxer. I can't say he's a pathological liar, because I'm not a doctor, but he's made all kinds of spurious claims about Trump, Courtney Love, O.J. Simpson, and Jerry Springer. Leftwing Snopes admitted the story wasn't true. The leftwing Guardian documented Lubow's activities. There's more in the largely leftwing Yahoo News.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

TDS is still raging among some here.
Jeffrey Epstein's lawyer: "“I was hired to lead Jeffrey Epstein’s defense as his criminal lawyer 9 days before he died. He sought my advice for months before that. I can say authoritatively, unequivocally, and definitively that he had no information to hurt President Trump. I specifically asked him!”
I know that won't effect some thinking, but at least maybe it can lead to seeking therapy.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

"Jupiter, is the DoJ blackmailing the same people Jeffrey Epstein is alleged to have blackmailed?"
As far as I know, Jeffrey Epstein is not alleged to have blackmailed anyone. He had a vast fortune. He consorted for years with wealthy and powerful men. His consort Ghislaine Maxwell, daughter of a longtime Mossad asset, is in a federal prison for recruiting and sex-trafficking hundreds, perhaps thousands, of underage girls. The bedrooms in his mansion in NYC were wired for video recording.
So you tell me, Yancey. Did no one but Epstein screw all those girls? Did the video cameras all malfunction? Did Epstein destroy the videos he had taken such pains to gather? Maybe all those guys are dead now? Maybe it was an elaborate practical joke?
Your position seems to be, that since we don't know what happened, nothing happened. That would be my position too, if I were a successful blackmailer. Blackmail only works when no one else knows what happened. So I sure as Hell wouldn't want anyone trying to find out what happened.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

Yancey, your position seems to be, that since we don't know what happened, we should assume that nothing happened. Like, if you walked out of your house tomorrow morning, and your car wasn't there. Was it stolen? Well. Who stole it? Why? How? You still have the key, so they couldn't have stolen it. And no one would want it anyway, it was old. Just forget about it, OK? In fact, buy another, and park it in the same place. No one's gonna steal it. No one steals cars, they'd get caught and go to prison.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Jupiter, you continue to misunderstand what I am writing. I am writing that there are no videos in the DoJ's possession that document what Epstein and anyone associated with him did before his 2019 arrest. I am not saying that they didn't exist, only that the DoJ never obtained them. I am saying that once the FBI had such evidence it would never have gone 100% unleaked in one form or the other. In short, I am claiming there is no coverup being done today or 6 years ago.

Now, how did Epstein get his money? Maybe he was blackmailing high worth individuals but I think it far more likely he was just selling access to young beautiful women in a prostitution ring in return for cash or, more likely, information on which to trade in the financial markets. I have always found the blackmail angle to be unconvincing since you will eventually come up on a mark who calls your bet which has never been documented either.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

What do you think, Jupiter- if Bondi etal. are covering this up, how likely do you think it is that no one in the DoJ with access to these materials in last 6 years will step forward to prove conclusively that Bondi is lying here? If we don't get that evidence in the next month in a leak then there is no coverup going on.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

"I have always found the blackmail angle to be unconvincing since you will eventually come up on a mark who calls your bet which has never been documented either."

Oh, bilge. You get an e-mail, mentioning a certain place you have been, that says you really ought to do X. You go to the police, or the press, and tell them you're being blackmailed. "How?", they ask. "By whom?". Two good questions, and you can certainly answer the first one.

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

The FBI has been run by scum for decades.

Jim at म्हणाले...

You can't point a finger at Bondi. She has to work with what she has.

Then she shouldn't have gotten out front and made promises she couldn't keep.

This is all on her.

Inga म्हणाले...

Bondi doesn’t make a move that hasn’t been approved by Trump first. We all know this… or should.

tolkein म्हणाले...

I assume that if the DOJ or FBI under Biden had anything, anything, that they could have hung on Trump, they would have published it. Look at what DOJ did with the supposed felony indictments. I'm sceptical about the so called suicide. But it may be true, and they were just embarrassed about the incompetence revealed. I would assume that they cleaned up egregious incompetence, at the very least.

Original Mike म्हणाले...

"Bondi doesn’t make a move that hasn’t been approved by Trump first. We all know this… or should."

Inga, your track record at "knowing things" ain't the hottest.

phantommut म्हणाले...

For once I agree with Inga; Bondi isn't doing anything without Trump's blessing. The buck stops with him.
1. There was a coverup.
2. Trump wasn't implicated, or it would have been used somehow.
3. For whatever reason, Trump has decided whatever was covered up should stay covered.
4. He knows it's going to piss off a lot of people who voted for him.
5. He doesn't care because he's got the job and rolling over everyone on the things he does care about.

Inga म्हणाले...

Trump is losing it, his latest Truth Social is a masterpiece of grievance and anger. “What’s going on with my boys and gals?”He clearly states that Pam Bondi is doing a GREAT JOB! “Let her do her job”, hmmm what could he mean by that? Just what is her job, to do what Trump tells her to do? He again tells his followers to not pay attention to the Epstein story. He says nobody cares about Epstein. He talks about the Epstein “files that Obama, Brennen and Comey wrote”.

“It’s never enough, cries Trump”, why’s don’t his followers love him more as he so deserves?! Why hast though forsaken him?

Inga म्हणाले...

Oh yes, and…

“STOP TALKING ABOUT EPSTEIN!”

JIM म्हणाले...

Kamala's 60 minute interview wasn't edited for time, it was edited to grossly manipulate the public perception of her. In other words, it was political propaganda. I'm just sorry they didn't take it to trial. Which would have in front of an Obama appointee no doubt. So, despite many "experts" claiming there was no case, it seems there was in fact a case.
Whatever happened to the video of Epstein in that cell? It's very powerful obviously.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

"3. For whatever reason, Trump has decided whatever was covered up should stay covered."
Yep. Igna finally found a nut.

My guess is that Trump is becoming increasingly aware that the Israeli tail is wagging the American dog, in ways that are very damaging to American interests. But he has decided that now is not the time to try rip that parasite out of the nation's guts. It's too deeply rooted. Maybe try to trim a few of its longer tentacles.

Jupiter म्हणाले...

The first time I heard of Pam Bondi was during the Trayvon Martin hoax. She was a politician then, and she's a politician now. No more, no less. So Igna probably has it right, she is doing what Trump has told her to do, and expects to keep her job as long as she continues to do so.

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