Writes Trump, at Truth Social.
Meanwhile, at X, Elon is posting about Trump more than I'm keeping up with.
Everyone was talking about how close they were — too close! — and now they're big enemies.
Are you watching these 2 drama queens? If so, carry on in the comments. I'm averting my eyes.
पोस्ट्स
१२४ टिप्पण्या:
Ooh, I love drama. More kabuki! With a musical number!
It's like a train wreck, I can't look away.
They'll be making up next week, if not next month.
Whenever they need each other first. Musk is right, but Trump is President.
Musk doesn't play well with limits. Or, this could be an op. Live in the moment.
mutual assured destruction—
TWO LOVERS SPURNED
Two lovers spurned
A lesson learned
On love you've got
Your fingers burnt
Shed bitter tears
Now love has turned
The sweet revenge
Of two lovers spurned
A passing phase
Several months of love
But all at once
You two had enough
"2 drama queens." One of whom is serious. The other is less serious but understands the public, which has no taste for real cuts, and politicians, who worry about reelection by a public that wants the money, and American politics, where you succeed better if you promise more of other people's money (or alternatively, no tax on tips etc. etc.). But maybe Elon's pressure can help turn public opinion around. Of course, not just Trump, but Dems will vilify him, and have. But Musk has guts.
I must be too cynical because I believe that the spat is about 80% staged.
Idealize, devalue, discard. Idealize, devalue, discard. Idealize, devalue, discard.
This all seems incredibly fake to me, but I guess we'll find out.
Drama Kings..
Agree with mezzrow, for every Siege of Magdeburg there's a Peace of Munster. When they're done beating each other up the amity fostered will be epic.
Sometimes you don’t get the hero you want.
Sometimes you get the hero you need.
And if you live long enough you become the villain.
Musk is just moving the discussion on actual cuts to government forward a bit. It will happen. Just a matter of when.
And we know Trump is in the Epstein files. Epstein obviously tried to groom Trump. But Epstein got kicked out of maralago for trying.
The real geopolitical earthquake right now is Trump is purging the warmonger Israel lobby from his administration. Now is when the knives will come out.
Maynard said...
I must be too cynical because I believe that the spat is about 80% staged.
Schrodinger's cats, with laser pointers, in a sack.
Related; wonder if any of the folks who were burning Teslas are having second thoughts? Or are they awaiting further instructions, as usual?
I voted for Trump because the alternative sucked. But I am getting tired of his bullshit. He really is a special kind of asshole.
I guess Trump won't be having Musk's baby.
Whooooo doggie, pass the popcorn! Could this get any better? I’m watching with rapt attention, who knows where it will end. Will ICE snatch Musk and deport him? Will Musk’s bodyguards guards get into a shooting war with ICE? So many way this could play out.
Neither of these guys know how to back down.
Keep the popcorn deliveries coming.
Handmade tales. Will JournoLists bight? Hook, line, and stinker.
The news cycle just got upgraded from "dumpster fire" to "we're losing Pasadena", as if there weren't bigger fish to fry. Yay.
Musk is right about the debt ceiling and Trump's bill is about what can realistically be expected. As for the tax credit for EV's, I can see Musk being upset from Tesla's point of view. However if Musk can get his autonomous vehicle drive to level 4+ it will just be a matter of time before insurance companies will demand that it comes with new cars. I see Tesla making a ton of money licensing and or manufacturing the systems for other makes and using his AI system. Autonomous Driving is not limited to electric vehicles only.
Musk is middle age. Trump is old. Their falling out entertains.
Don't care, Musk helped get Trump elected. Thank you. That's what I wanted. Trump is still President, still winning. Musk can post whatever he wants, just know Trump will respond. And he will still be President.
I'm guessing this is mostly theater that benefits both Musk and Trump:
1. Musk and his companies benefit from lessened consumer rage. He wants to sell to both left and right customers
2. Trump benefits because DOGE was becoming a liability and a distraction. It has become clear to everyone DOGE could only deliver modest cuts.
3. Trump benefits because the anti-Trump screamers are distracted by yet another triviality for a while.
Downsides? Just some bad publicity, which neither seems to care about. Each is carrying on with real projects that actually matter to them.
I'm with mezzro
An op.
A distraction to kill the big beautiful bill and shut down govt.
A shut down govt would be a perfect opportunity for the DOGE team to go in and root through offices without intetferencr
John Henry
Has Musk ever needed to compromise with someone before? He's run his own companies as he sees fit, and he's certainly never lived with a wife long enough to face the give-and-take.
If this is 4D chess, the scenario plays out as follows: the Muskovites rally behind Elon and kill that Big Beautiful Bill. This gives Trump the cover to submit another with real spending cuts.
FDR told civil rights leaders that, while he shared their goals, if they wanted an integrated military they'd have to rally the public to make it seem like hde was forced to do it.
No matter how cynical I get, I just can't keep up. -- Lily Tomlin
“The easiest way to save money in our Budget, Billions and Billions of Dollars, is to terminate Elon’s Governmental Subsidies and Contracts,”~Donald Trump
I rarely agree with anything that Trump says, but this time he hit the nail on the head!
This is just standard for Republicans and MAGA types. Look all the Liberal/left Billionaires who support the D's. Do they ever throw temp tantrums? Very few. Do they always get their way? No.
Musk is obviously super-smart. But like most business types concerned with taxes, business regulations, and Government spending aka MONEY, he didn't do his homework. Compare him to billionaires who own media companies or run hedge funds. Notice how the Addlesons, always get/got their way on Israel.
Politics isn't run like a business. Politics isn't a science. Its not "Pragmatic". And businessmen who aren't liberal/leftist always lean toward losertarianism. Which is a dead end.
An op for sure. Everybody understands that Democrats can be endlessly sucker punched just by crying Trump! Do you think either of these men don’t understand this? Indeed, don’t delight in the ease of it? A politician’s and a tech oligarch’s dream.
My Tesla stock is down 14% lol. Musk, please zip it!
I'm self-invoking the 72-hour rule.
The deficit is a problem. Government spending or more accuately the gap between spending and taxes is a problem. But the R's aren't going to solve it with a razor thin majorities in the House and Senate.
If we don't stop the massive importation of poor 3rd worlders and Democrat voters, and the D's attempt to rig the elections, their wont' be any country to save from bankruptcy.
Trump was the only R in 2016 to understand that you're not going to get elected by telling people we need to let in millions of illegals, and invade the world - but cut social security and medicare so we can be "fiscally responsible".
So they the liberal/leftists go back to liking Musk, now that he's broken with Trump. LOL of course not. The liberal/Left never forgives and never forgets.
Grumpy or genius old masculine gender males.
It's a trap. Time will tell.
You leftists HATE Trump and MUSK - so this must be fun.
"President vs Elon. Who wins? My money's on Elon.
Trump should be impeached and JD Vance should replace him."
Insurrection Barbie
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It’s amazing the left took a blowtorch to this country and instead of going after them we [are] infighting. Democrats are the luckiest motherfckers alive.
I would have liked the left to be correct about Trump the dictator when it came to the budget. Alas, the left was lying again…sads…
It’s all WWE but in the Whitehouse and the world stage.
Nazi Oligarch exposes child rapist.
Pass the popcorn indeed!
Who could have possibly predicted that our fascist boy genius would turn on Donnie Dementia
I’m lovin’ it!
Trump and the left have something in common:
they both don't give a rip about our impending doom. Our public debt.
D-bag- The real Nazis are you leftists. Do piss off.
Big Beautiful Buncha bull
You have about as much proof that Elon is a fascist as Elon had that Trump is in the Epstein files. Or is it all "double secret"?
Who doesn’t love watching two bitchy drama queens going at it?
This is like Zeus vs Thor. And about as real. What a great time to be a political cartoonist or meme-maker.
Honestly, I don't care if it's real or Olympian theater. Trump is President (and Kamala isn't). The border is closed. Common sense has returned and is reversing much of the craziness despite the attempted daily desperate obstructions. Rejoice.
Peachy, that shit is so tired.
No thinking person believes that the GOP gives a flying fuck about our impending debt doom because their only coherent economic position is that wealthy people shouldn’t pay taxes.
Peachy is saying crazy stuff like "The real Nazis are you leftists" because Mom and Dad are fighting.
Meanwhile, the Big Beautiful Bill continues to emphasize that all that hot air about cutting spending is just hot air.
My money is on the girlfriend of Roy Cohn and Roger Stone.
I would rephrase this as: "No thinking person believes that Donald Trump gives a flying fuck about our impending debt doom because his only coherent position is that wealthy billionaire people like himself shouldn’t pay taxes."
I'm genuinely surprised that the relationship between two emotionally mature well adjusted family men could become so acrimonious.
Make no mistake about it: Trump's presidency is in trouble.
He now faces a very real threat of removal from office.
Lonejustice,
Do the republicans in the house even know that they are the bastions of fiscal responsibility?
"My Tesla stock is down 14% lol. Musk, please zip it!"
Tesla board must be happy to have the boss back in the office 24/7 again.
Somebody needs to take away their phones.
FormerLawClerk said...
"Make no mistake about it: Trump's presidency is in trouble.
He now faces a very real threat of removal from office."
I would agree except the Democrats can't quit reminding us that they are no better with them all racing to get there tell-all books out say how dysfunctional the last 4+ years have been.
How long until a district judge rules that Trump can't kick Elon out.
It’s a good thing the EV mandate is getting revoked. So I guess Trump wins this round.
Vance called Trump Hitler at one point so there's that.
If the government is so sure that it will lead to a surplus then there is no need to increase the ceiling on borrowing by $5tn.
I suspect it is all kind of fake... but then after four years of Biden fakes I am kind of jaded...
Blue on Blue is way more fun than Red on Red.
I don't look at Red on Red. Y'all play nice!
It's funny all the Reds who don't believe in Red on Red. I think they fake a lot of stuff, and they entertain, but they also got egos, way big egos, egos that are too big for the planet to contain. That's probably why Musk wants to go to Mars. "My ego is too big for this planet."
Make no mistake about it: Trump's presidency is in trouble.
He now faces a very real threat of removal from office.
LOL. What the fuck? Now he does?!
After all the impeachment attempts, criminal prosecutions, and a couple of assassination attempts, now it's getting real?
Okay!
They're playing four-dimensional Real Housewives.
Tesla's Biggest One-Day Market-Cap Decline ~ WSJ
A $152 billion Twitter feud.
Bob Boyd (4:59) wins the thread!
"How long until a district judge rules that Trump can't kick Elon out."
Once again, that will happen after the plaintiff somehow ended up in CECOT first. Perhaps South Sudan, as thats closer to his country of origin.
It's all explained by the absence of the Epstein files that the deep state successfully bullied Trump into accepting the big beautiful increase the deficit by 5 trillion dollars while scuttling Doge. Didn't you guys all see the terror in Kash Patel's eyes when he claimed that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?
Leviathan Speaks
Today, Silicon Valley legend TJ Rodgers talked about the probable elimination of the solar tax credit for home solar. He said that after much thought, "Free at last, free at last, thank God almighty free at last."
I thought Elon didn't care if the EV subsidy went away.
I’m not paying much (or any) attention, but none of this means anything. Come back in a week or two and see how things stand.
"He now faces a very real threat of removal from office."
He is being dragged towards WW3 in a "Sum of All Fears"* style plot from Zelensky a, who approved the bombing of a civilian train in Russia, and an attack on Russia's nuclear triad, which fizzled, but had it done what the Ukrainians claimed at first, would have been a serious blow, and Lindsey Graham, who is egging Zelensky on to get the fireworks started.
He is being dragged by Netanyahu towards a war with Iran, which would be a disaster.
It wasn't just Democrats benefitting from all of the corruption and complete lack of standard accounting controls that Doge uncovered.
Trump needs a vacation, and I don't see the world letting up on him, so yeah, I think that Lindsey Graham is privately threatening Trump with impeachment and removal if he doesn't play ball with the neocons.
The tragedy of Trump is that he has taken on too much, and so has made way too many enemies. That these people are execrable, and are, in fact, the enemies of the American people, doesn't change the calculus.
"The Sum of All Fears" was the Tom Clancy novel where Ukraine tried to drag the US and Russia into a nuclear exchange, in order to complete Hitler's vision for Europe. The press is full of stories about neo-n**is in Ukraine, BTW, all you have to do is set the search criteria to prior to Feb of 2020, when Biden shut down accurate reporting, probably empowered by the gutting of anti-propaganda laws by Obama and Pelosi.
Also Ukraine is experiencing military collapse, so like the last two minutes of a hockey game, when the team that is losing pulls its goalie in an all out effort at offense, Ukraine is doing a "Tet Offensive" gambit. And remember, even though Tet didn't accomplish a whole lot militarily, politically and diplomatically, it was quite powerful, so the military aspect didn't matter.
It's nice to see the libtards enjoying themselves for a change. A post like this brings out all the shitheads to ululate and cheer for the downfall of our nation. They needed this bad news to cheer them up.
Jaq said...
The tragedy of Trump is that he has taken on too much, and so has made way too many enemies. That these people are execrable, and are, in fact, the enemies of the American people, doesn't change the calculus.
6/5/25, 5:34 PM
I'm surprised you think this. For the most part, President Trump's enemies in Canada, the EU, the Democratic Party, Zelensky's Ukraine, the New York oligarchy, and the NGO/ academic sphere are all strongly linked with each other. It is a hard battle but the alternative is surrender. Weakening one dramatically weakens the others. And what they all have in common is existential dependence on American subsidy. China is their ally for the sake of convenience, but as China loses popularity in America that won't last. By contrast, friends in the Arab world, Asia, Eastern Europe, and his American voting base are much more reliable.
It should be noted that not only are President Trump's tariffs very popular with the American working man, the Democrat response to them is simply insane flailing. Boosts to the American economy in general and American industry in particular might permanently relegate the Democrats to the lunatic fringe while their DEI coalition cannibalizes itself.
In other news, president Trump today had a press conference with the chancellor of Germany. They spoke of mutual agreement for military security and economic growth. The chancellor reminded trump it was just a few days before the D-Day anniversary. Donald said it probably wasn't a very good day for the chancellor. In responses to questions about Musk and Doge and the big beautiful bill was an app prologue where Trump indicates his friendship with musk was behind and that although musk hasn't been personal he said that Elon would get personal very soon. This was after Donald blamed elon's grief with the BBB all had to do with subsidies and appointments.
Yes, Jaq. Tet really was the end of the line before the NVA lost lol.
What a bizarre example given how Vietnam turned out for US.
lonejustice said...
I would rephrase this as: "No thinking person believes that Donald Trump gives a flying fuck about our impending debt doom because his only coherent position is that wealthy billionaire people like himself shouldn’t pay taxes."
Makes sense.
That is a rephrasing I would expect from a really stupid person.
"What a bizarre example given how Vietnam turned out for US."
I never said that the Tet offensive was a military success, but I think that it was a propaganda success. But sure, I could be wrong, let's say that it's not true that Tet was a propaganda success and my example is bad, doesn't change the fact that Ukraine has launched multiple attacks, including attacks on purely civilian targets killing women and children, as a propaganda offensive out of desperation.
Musk is correct about the Big Beautiful Bill. It is a joke but the truth is that the BBB was about all that was going to get a majority of the House- otherwise it will just be continuing resolution after continuing resolution til the sun extinguishes itself. Trump has squandered a big opportunity but that opportunity always required the assent of Congress and if you can't even get Congress to pass recission bills suggested by DOGE then what is the point of anything?
I'm with Althouse; I am simply turning my head away.
To get the fiscal house of the United States in order is going to require either a President or a House majority to say enough is enough and shut the government down for months or even a year or more. It takes a strong man or men to do this and I don't see it in D.C. If Trump tries to be that man, Congress in its current makeup would likely just trump his veto with 2/3 votes. A House leadership trying this has, at most 2 years before being turned out. Like it or not, we do get the government we deserve- good and hard.
Professional wrestling at its best.
Remember when the haters said Elon was the actual President?
Musk-rat has the fatal flaw of ego. He fully wasted DOGE per his arrogant ignorance, and he discovered exactly nothing.
He is now single-handedly destroying the value of all his businesses, and literally risks having them (at least SpaceX) nationalized with his threats and Trump's focus on national security.
Trump is an angry blow-hard, but also a softy who always compromises. This was apparent from 2017 and it continues with his Big Beautiful plan to spend-spend-spend-spend.
I never would have imagined this 6 months ago, but Musk-rat is making Trump look more like an (elected) adult.
“Didn't you guys all see the terror in Kash Patel's eyes when he claimed that Jeffrey Epstein killed himself?”
Nonsense, Howard. Patel is a little walleyed, is all.
Actor Jack Elam had that same look in every film he appeared in.
Bongino looked spooked at his interview on Fox. He is an honest man and was desperately trying to convince himself that he was telling the truth. Someone got to him.
"Broooos please noooooo 🫂 We love you both so much" - Kanye West
Two powerful men with big fat egos. Their natural state is jealousy and skepticism unless one publicly kissed the other's sss.
Who *didn't* think this would happen? Took longer than I expected tbh.
Until Russia drops the big one on Kiev. Recommend everyone go out and buy the flashlights, space blankets, canned goods, toilet paper and plastic bags, and gallons of rubbing alcohol and bleach on that Survivalist list, or is that the Mormon 1-year supply in your basement storeroom list? Anyways, seems like a HUGE distraction from the really bad things going on in our world today.
Anyone else watch that dystopian Netflix series set in Argentina, regarding electromagnetic pulse taking down electrical grid, along with cold poisonous snow and ginormous cockroach creatures destroying the city? Yup, strange times we live. Musk has his Texas bomb-shelter, Trump has his top-secret Federal underground city, we've got our puny resources.
They must settle this like gentlemen---Duel with pistols.
If Trump was in Epstein, Biden admin would have released the files within a week of Joes inauguration.
I bet German Chancellor Merz couldn't believe his luck. Not enough time left to humiliate him.
Musk learned the hard way that a high-profile industry titan becoming a high-profile politico doesn't end well. He should also have taken a closer look at every other person of note to associate with Trump and how that went. Trump is a reverse alchemist and always has been.
I'm not the least bit sorry for Musk, but he should have known better. Fools and their money...
I'm ignoring it all, though it probably is a great opportunity to buy some Tesla stock.
I'm with Althouse
0% of my attention
"Will Musk’s bodyguards guards get into a shooting war with ICE? "
Leftists always dream of violence. If it really turns violent, it won't end well for them.
Larry Correia wrote this in a 2018 post on his Monster Hunter site:
"...A friend of mine who is a political activist said something interesting the other day, and that was for most people on the left political violence is a knob, and they can turn the heat up and down, with things like protests, and riots, all the way up to destruction of property, and sometimes murder… But for the vast majority of folks on the right, it’s an off and on switch. And the settings are Vote or Shoot Fucking Everybody. And believe me, you really don’t want that switch to get flipped, because Civil War 2.0 would make Bosnia look like a trip to Disneyworld."
It's fun, sorting the common taters from the commentators.
"If Trump was in Epstein, Biden admin would have released the files within a week of Joes inauguration."
Its mutually assured destruction. That's why the files will never be released. Both parties stuck their dicks in teenager girls.
Trump literally praised Epstein l's tast on "young" women. You know were swapping gige me a break. If Elon is wrong let's have Donny sue.
Elon Musk says SpaceX will decommission Dragon spacecraft after Trump threat ~ MSNBC
This is a reason for Trump to try to nationalize SpaceX and Starlink. Several political and legal steps would need to occur for this to happen. However, it is feasible and could ultimately benefit Musk, which might explain why this situation feels oddly orchestrated.
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wildswan said...
"I'm with Althouse; I am simply turning my head away."
Yes, always ignore when your guy acts poorly.
Has there been a daily Biden post? Seems like one almost every single day since he has been out of office.
Wouldn't want to pay attention to Trump.
@TaeJohnDo, another Larry Correia fan! Cool.
And in this case, as in so many, I suspect Larry’s right. The Left came pretty close to the “Find Out” part of FAFO when the Butler shooter was an about 7 mm too far to the left last summer.
“Yes, always ignore when your guy acts poorly.”
This has been her pattern since Trump came on the scene. I remember when she started not watching the Sunday news shows because there was too much negative news about Trump…or something.
Otto von Bismarck once called politics “the art of the possible, the attainable.” I’m not sure Elon Musk understands that, or grasps what it means. When he took over Twitter he sacked anyone and everyone who was even slightly out of line in dealing with him, and he could get away with that because if you mistakenly fire someone that it turns out later you need badly, it isn’t hard to find people eager to work for a tech firm in Silicon Vslley. The federal government workforce, while certainly bloated, operates under Civil Service rules, and what a President can and cannot do is very circumscribed. There is an apocryphal story about a government worker who killed his boss but Civil Service rules prevented him from being fired, and nearly everyone in the District of Columbia is aware of it. Based on stories I’ve seen first hand or heard of second hand, that story is shockingly plausible.
Trump learned a lot, the hard way, during his first term. Musk maybe should consider that the federal government doesn’t work like a techie business, and listen using his ears instead of his mouth.
The more this escalates, the more it seems like it's all an act.
"Ooooh! Look at that shiny object over there!" and while everyone runs to look at the shiny object, real things are happening elsewhere.
I guess we'll find out.
Love the transparent Epstein ploy. Get hysterical Progs to absolutely demand the release of the Epstein list. Patel releases it. No Trump, just a bunch of Donks and a smattering of GOPe. Midterm gold. Donks can’t claim weaponization. Their constituents demanded it. Beep, beep.
We know Republicans won’t be demanding that the Epstein files get released anymore.
Only Althouse wants to lower the temperature of the Trump-Musk War by calling them drama queens. Keeping MAGA types adangle is unwise when transgenderism might be inferred. It might even result in deporting Musk and Trump's third impeachment.
One of my crazy friends opined that this business is staged for the purpose of getting EM some of his billions back before a relaunch of the 'bromance' (as crazy Kanye apparently described it). I come here for a modicum of reason and, lo, see a not negligible number of folks who agree with him. Eh.
Have Trump and Elon fallen out? Is their entire relationship so callow and shallow, the complex strategy that won a national election really reduces to just a couple of drama queens having a tantrum? How readily is this to be believed? Well, we only need to read the comments: All the usual addle-pated geniuses are just as pleased as punch that there's drama, so easily digestable. Both the gloating and the schadenfreude is the sure sign of a mark advertising their readiness to be chumped.
Trump is perfectly happy to drop rhetorical bombs on people and then turn around and be friendly to them again a minute later -- it's a kind of performance to him, and I don't think his rhetoric is necessarily reflective of his true feelings one way or the other.
My impression of Musk is that he's much more impulsive, verbally, much less calculated in what he says publicly, and much more likely to double down and become defensive about things he has said in the past (cf. that whole bizarre episode with the rescue diver he called "pedo guy").
So from Musk's end, I think the rupture is real. From Trump's end, I imagine he's probably thinking about it like a useful but somewhat irritating teenager acting out.
So Musk denied that story that he was doing drugs and then goes off like this......It's almost like he wanted to prove that story correct.
Musk is acting like your classic, hard case, Libertarian. They either want to get 100% of what they want or nothing. Most people know that politics doesn't work like that. You take the wins that you can get and keep negotiating for more. What you don't do is throw tantrums like a spoiled child.
Plus, Musk was never a part of the DOJ, so he should never have had access to the Epstein files.
Inga said...
"Will ICE snatch Musk and deport him?"
ICE can't deport Musk because he's a United States citizen. (They're only going after people who are in the country illegally.)
Ha!
US citizens have been snatched by ICE, you don’t know this?
Politco: It remains unclear just how effective Musk’s attacks will be with Republican lawmakers, especially after he openly attacked Trump, suggesting without evidence that the president was implicated in wrongdoing with the late sex predator Jeffrey Epstein.
Epstein was first arrested and convicted in 2008, but received a lenient prison sentence brokered by U.S. Attorney Alexander Acosta, which also provided anonymity to Epstein’s powerful friends like Donald Trump, Prince Andrew, Bill Gates, and Bill Clinton. However, when President Trump nominated Acosta for the position of Secretary of Labor in his first cabinet, journalists suddenly began investigating third-hand stories about Epstein and Trump. The Mar-a-Lago parties, the accuracy of Epstein's pilot logs, and the Katie Johnson rape by Trump at Epstein's mansion all got chased but were either not true or well covered up. But Epstein had powerful friends who didn't want to be mentioned. Ghislaine Maxwell's trial details and conviction didn't help either. Elmo the Musk may have read the Epstein papers, so stay tuned for round two.
Inga said...US citizens have been snatched by ICE, you don’t know this?
No they haven’t, not in the sense you are using the term. That’s like saying the police are arresting innocent people every time they stop the wrong person for questioning.
gadfly said...Epstein’s powerful friends like Donald Trump,
It’s cute the way you types try to pretend Trump and Epstein were great buddies because they sometimes went to the same galas.
I don't waste any time on X. I don't want an electric car. YMMV, but for me if taxes go up or down a bit it's not a big deal. Musk did a big service by shining a light on egregious waste. Trump has delivered on border control (if not on the other things he promised early). I think this is staged. Just a way for Musk to get back to his main gig and take the heat off (Molotovs do generate a lot) Tesla dealerships.
Trump was the only celebrity who responded negatively towards Epstein. He banned him from Mar-a-Lago because of Epstein's behavior towards young women. Epstein and Weinstein sat on the board of The Robin Hood Foundation, the largest and most prestigeous foundation in NYC, a small, powerful board of important people, including famous news anchors and actresses. They both spent years being given the green light by these board members to focus on projects in middle and high schools. Ask Gweneth Paltrow or Katie Couric why they handed over access to poor public schoolchildren to these two men. And try telling the truth.
@Tacitius: "Just a way for Musk to get back to his main gig and take the heat off (Molotovs do generate a lot) Tesla dealerships."
It is clear that every billionaire who touches politics does it in large part to preserve their wealth and defend against government actions (e.g., anti-trust). This applies to Gates, Bloomberg, Soros, Musk, Dimon, and indeed Trump. This also applied to the old-school barons of industry such as Stanford, Carnegie, JP Morgan, etc.
It isn't different from the non-billionaires who get into politics to enrich themselves either. See the Clintons, Obamas, Bidens, Pelosis, and how "election denier" Stacey Abrams got $2B and funneled millions to her lawyer friend.
Power corrupts. It's easier for a rich man pass through the eye of a needle than stay out of politics.
We know Republicans won’t be demanding that the Epstein files get released anymore.
You don't know shit.
We want them released. We've always wanted them released.
If there was any dirt on Trump, it would've been leaks years ago.
Release the damn files.
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