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"Mr. Musk, who wore a suit and tie to Thursday’s meeting instead of his usual T-shirt after Mr. Trump publicly ribbed him about his sloppy appearance..."
"... defended himself by saying that he had three companies with a market cap of tens of billions of dollars, and that his results spoke for themselves. But he was soon clashing with members of the cabinet. ... Mr. Musk and the transportation secretary, Sean Duffy, went back and forth about the state of the Federal Aviation Administration’s equipment for tracking airplanes and what kind of fix was needed.... Mr. Duffy said the young staff of Mr. Musk’s team was trying to lay off air traffic controllers. What am I supposed to do? Mr. Duffy said. I have multiple plane crashes to deal with now, and your people want me to fire air traffic controllers? Mr. Musk told Mr. Duffy that his assertion was a 'lie.' Mr. Duffy insisted it was not; he had heard it from them directly. Mr. Musk, asking who had been fired, said: Give me their names. Tell me their names. Mr. Duffy said there were not any names, because he had stopped them from being fired.... In a post on X on Friday, Mr. Duffy praised Mr. Trump and the work Mr. Musk’s team is doing and said it was an effective cabinet meeting.... Mr. Musk, who later claimed on X that the cabinet meeting was 'very productive,' seemed far less enthused inside the room...."
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Obama wanted to be Lincoln so bad. He repeatedly talked about wanting to build a "Team of Rivals". Seems like Trump has actually done it.
Interesting article. Slash and burn is not always effective. Musk has a big ego and so do these Cabinet officers. I agree that authority for their agencies has to be the Cabinet heads. Not Musk. I like Musk's energy and drive. Yet he sometimes gets weird ideas like trying to get involved in the Thailand disaster where the kids were stuck in flooded cave.
Isn’t it great that the Trump admin has open disagreements and doesn’t attempt to hide or paper them over! What a refreshing thing.
Fact, fiction, or a handmade tale.
Doo-Dah! Doo-Dah!
If Trump, Musk, and the cabinet heads can't learn to play nice together, then IMO Trump's grand plans to "drain the swamp" will be overcome by emboldened resistance. What a pity that would be.
Meanwhile, back at the ranch ...
"The president quickly moved to rein in Mr. Musk".
Gee, we were assured by some of our best and brightest that that would never happen.
Twain was right, if you don’t read the paper you are uninformed. If you read the paper you are misinformed.
I can say with 99.99% confidence given past performance measured statistically that this article is going to be fundamentally dishonest. Everything the NYT's has printed about Trump has been proven to be fundamentally dishonest in the past. It is so boring and trite at this point.
There is no reason to even give these people the time of day or space on this blog unless you just want to watch a dying animal in it's last pathetic death throws.
You will see in the press conferences in the White House dozens of new reporters and new media institutions that have orders of magnitude more readership than the NYT. The streamer Asmongold gets millions of views for his live commentary of political events. He dwarfs the NYTs for reach. He is an apolitical gamer who without trying provides the kind of non-partisan news coverage and commentary the old media pretended to provide.
Now that media entities in the white house press core have access there is no reason to waste time analyzing something like the NYT's.
The only question is when they shut the NYT's down not if.
The level of detail and the insight into the minds of the attendees at the meeting is phenomenal work by Swan and Haberman.
I suspect tabernanthalog was involved.
It's one thing to layoff people and Twitter crashes for a few days until you get it sorted out, it's another thing to layoff air traffic controllers and need to keep the nation's air traffic running safely. Of course, Musk would just blame any resulting tragedy as malicious compliance.
Big cuts need to be made but there are many areas that the slash and burn approach will cause real harm.
more mind-reading and BS.
Haberman and Swan are the best. They get people to talk to them. NYT in better shape than LA Times and WaPo for sure.
was Vindman in the room? I hear the Vindmans are the real authoritarian leaders of our nation.
Trump loves feeding Maggie H what he wants her to write.
The NY Times works for Trump
I laughed, thanks for that.
So if there were no dissenting opinions in the Trump cabinet, I suppose the NYT would be complaining about the lockstep uniformity it exhibited. Sounds like Trump is wrong no matter what. But that's the way it operates: heads we win, tails you lose. Journalisming at its finest.
Anonymous sources knows everything happening in a Trump cabinet meeting, but had no idea what Creepy Joe's henchcreeps were up to.
R C Belaire said...
If Trump, Musk, and the cabinet heads can't learn to play nice together, then IMO Trump's grand plans to "drain the swamp" will be overcome by emboldened resistance. What a pity that would be.
If you put together an actual cabinet with actual leaders there is going to be friction. This cabinet does not sound like a bunch of beta cuck Desantis/Romney GOPe type losers although Rubio is showing his lack of mettle in my opinion. He let Zelenski get the better of him.
It looks pretty clear that everyone in the room knows who Alpha is and what the ultimate goals are.
And any air traffic controllers that were recent DEI hires need to be fired. It would be better to have nobody than to have an idiot or incompetent. Worst case is someone who cannot do that job who thinks they can do that job.
Oh, brother. The reporters are drama queens. This is how management meetings go, and in my experience the more "robust" the debate the better the results.
Based on a true story.
No word yet on whether the five people with knowledge of the events were purposely disseminating a pre-planned story to the reporters, for the purposes of holding them and the NYTimes out to further ridicule and derision.
But even if we assume the five people and the reporters were giving accurate information (a large assumption given the NYTimes's bias and track record). I also note that these reporters seem to not know that a meeting with discussion and disagreement, where even unified teams might vigorously discuss and balance the various interests, are very normal and are usually the most productive kind. The most unproductive meetings are those where everyone nods in agreement, and no one says anything in disagreement. Yet, the reporters seem to discount and scoff at Musk's characterization of the meeting as productive.
The whole thing appears to me to be a "dog bites man" story.
Anybody that believes a word of what they write when it's attributed to anonymous sources, is a chump that has had at least 10 years to learn, and hasn't learned much.
Today on the way home from clearing some land, I heard someone on NPR with a plummy Eton accent tell me all about Trump's problems with governing the intelligence services. He informed us listeners that Trump had an unfortunate friendship with Jeffery Epstein, they were 'quite close' you know. I guess this Upper-Crust phoney hadn't heard that Trump had banned him from all Trump properties years before Epstein was indicted, because he found him predatory and disgusting. Or maybe he has such a low opinion of American listeners that he thought maybe they hadn't heard - it was that kind of accent. Yes, Doo Dah indeed.
Achilles: "I can say with 99.99% confidence given past performance measured statistically that this article is going to be fundamentally dishonest. Everything the NYT's has printed about Trump has been proven to be fundamentally dishonest in the past. It is so boring and trite at this point."
Articles like this are precisely the reason it is wise to apply a 72 hour rule to any legacy media "report".
I was going to weigh on the veracity and credibility of the NYT, but I see other Althousians have already done so.
"seemed far less enthused inside the room....""
who was in the room? were these NYT reporters?
This has all of the hallmarks of a coordinated legacy media story line. Just like the golden showers in Russia Russia Russia.
- Krumhorn
Quayle @ 2:56 - that.
Democrat party meetings are Kiss the Ring meetings. Kiss the narrative meetings. Kiss each other's butts meetings.,
Set the big binder in the middle of the room- gather 'round and worship. ... meetings.
The left cannot fathom a meeting where people might argue their points of view - and be allowed to do so.
,i>"If Trump, Musk, and the cabinet heads can't learn to play nice together..."
According to the NYT: "This account is based on interviews with five people with knowledge of the events.”
Really? Sounds serious. And impeccable sources, too.
The NYT hates both Trump and Musk like poison. And we're supposed to believe what "five people with knowledge of the events" are saying? Only if you're gullible. And, for the record, the word "gullible" is not actually in the dictionary.
Chaos. The walls are closing in on Trump.
Secretary Duffy is doing a great job. I-40 is open, FAA is on an upgrade path, he’s on the scene when transportation incidents happen, etc. What a dramatic change from Mayor Pete….
Ann, as a long-time reader and analyzer of NYT articles, have you ever seen one about Trump that objectively and accurately describes a meeting such as this one? Every single one I have ever seen is slanted so that even the smallest details (like clothes worn or lighting in the room, etc.) always seem smudged with negative colorations. If you have ever seen one that wasn't written with such smudging, please share it so we can have an example that counters our instinct to now automatically dismiss all of them as tiresome propaganda.
Haberman and Swan are the best. They get people to talk to them.
Of course, they never quite tell us just who those people are, for some reason...
NYT's just making it up. 5 anonymous sources with "First hand knowledge". LOL. They've lied for 4 years (2017-2021) about President Trump and they did it using anonymous sources.
But this time its true. Honest Injun.
Trump just told an NBC "Reporter" that Rubio and Musk did not clash. Guess the NBC Reporter who claimed it happened relied on the NYT's.
BTW, they played this game before in the 1st term. NYTs and other media outlets would talk to the same 2 anonymous people. And then ABC or the WaPo would state in the newspaper/TV show that they "Confirmed" the NYT's story.
They did this constantly during Russiagate.
And I should give one iota of credibility to the New York Times on this? Can you spell Walter Duranty?
At least they're having cabinet meetings, as opposed to not having meetings to hide the boss's dementia.
I guess trying to drive a wedge between Trump and Musk with the "Who is really the President?" tactic didn't work so they need a new tactic. Dissention. That's the ticket!
And if Elon was wearing a tie Trump must have really reamed him out. The end is near dear lefties.
I'll give it two weeks before they have to switch tactics.
And in less than a month every single Dem will be telling us how unfair it is to have males in women's sports. "It's unfair I tell you."
I'm running low on popcorn.
"And in less than a month every single Dem will be telling us how unfair it is to have males in women's sports."
And how many more months will it be before they actually do anything about it aside from running their lying hate-filled mouths?
it's another thing to layoff air traffic controllers and need to keep the nation's air traffic running safely.
Got any proof this is actually happening?
"And in less than a month every single Dem will be telling us how unfair it is to have males in women's sports."
One more thing- three days ago, there was a vote on the Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act. No Senate Democrats supported the bill.
"And how many more months will it be before they actually do anything about it aside from running their lying hate-filled mouths?"
Uh, never.
Bongino is posting about the article as if it was credible. But then Bongino is buds with Steve Bannon, who is upset that Musk is getting all the attention Trump used to give him. Perhaps Bongino is a source...
Tools of the proggie commentariat. Haberman and Aussie Swan are both handmaidens.
And that did not take long. Trump put the kabash on this bunch of stupidity.
Really anyone that pays attention to the NYT's, NBC, or any of the dead legacy media is just breathing life into a dying diseased animal.
The new media is so much more alive and entertaining and honest. Everyone everywhere knew DC was corrupt but now it is in the open and everyone can see it. This election was just as much about how we get information and who controls it as it was about who controlled Washington DC.
This war is over and it was largely bloodless. Trump has led the greatest and most peaceful political revolution in history. The globalist technocratic uniparty that controlled DC has been driven out and utterly defeated. The only thing they can do now is give us a reason to hang them all by doing something like assassinating Trump.
Protection of Women and Girls in Sports Act. No Senate Democrats supported the bill.
Democrazis (e.g. DEI, wicked solution, political congruence, redistributive change,, etc) passed the no sexusl discrimination act (e.g. transgenderism, incest, pedophilia, sadomasochism, grooming, etc). They are transhumane.
They believe that women should be kept affordable, available, reusable, and taxable, and the "burden" of evidence aborted and sequestered in sanctuary states. They are misogynistic.
Progressive sects operate under the Pro-Choice religion at the twilight fringe. Let them bray.
This from the two most truth challenged & sufferers of extreme TDS? Swann & Haberman!
"According to anonymous sources" is so passé. Wake me up when someone goes on the record.
Mr. Duffy said there were not any names, because he had stopped them from being fired.
He could still have named the people who were under threat of firing. Reporting that he said there weren't any names does make the story easier to pass on. Keep out details that can be fact checked.
So, a handmade tale. Last time they went so far as using domestic and foreign sources to impeach the president, twice. They didn't have time for the third in formal fashion. They went so far as to carry out an insurrections against the government, against the People, through Diverse, diverse channels. Deja vu.
Differences of opinion are how you get at the truth and also how the guy in charge gets educated about issues and personalities. What DO they teach in journalism school these days?
What DO they teach in journalism school these days?
All's fair in lust and abortion.
…and thus Doge’s slow death by a same number of cuts as Republicans in Congress begins….
"Mr. Duffy insisted it was not; he had heard it from them directly. Mr. Musk, asking who had been fired, said: Give me their names. Tell me their names. Mr. Duffy said there were not any names, because he had stopped them from being fired."
Someone who employs childish evasions like this will have a short stint at the Department of Transportation, unless this so-called report is just more standard NYT bullshit.
Haven't we learned by now that 'anonymous sources' are almost always fictional? Why do we keep treating them like they're real, honest, and credible, especially when reporting on contentious issues?
Joe Biden enforced a policy of hiring persons for ATC positions with severe emotional and intellectual deficiencies, in other words the stupid and the mad. That's no way to run an air traffic control center. Before any further billions extorted from taxpayers are spent (i.e. flushed down the crapper) on new equipment, these Biden hires must be discovered and terminated. Sean Dufy ought to be busy conducting that search rather than whining about what he sees as insufficient expenditures, but it seems he is not.
mccullough said...
“Trump loves feeding Maggie H what he wants her to write.
The NY Times works for Trump”
The more I think about it, the more I think this take is exactly right. Well observed, mccullough.
Strong people with strong egos will clash. I've read that Trump is "afraid of strong women"--and yet he's appointed strong women. I've heard he's "anti-gay' but a number of his most important appointments are of gay men. I don't think that his Cabinet picks are a "team of rivals" that hate each other; but they are strong enough that they will rub up against each other from time to time.
NYT trying to drive up the price before Musk/Trump purchases it.
I love the wide disparity of takes here all aimed at disparaging the NYT but going in different directions.
rhhardin said..."Chaos. The walls are closing in on Trump."
Inga hacked hardin's account.
House Speaker Mike Johnson advised Republican members of Congress not to hold in-person meetings in their districts, after a number of lawmakers were subjected to loud protests over DOGE’s cuts at town halls in Georgia, Texas and Kansas, among other red states.
“If you're running in fear of your own voters, there is nothing America can do for you.” ~ JD Vance (Munich Security Conference)
Delaware Corrupted Court of Chancery Fanboy Readering: "I love the wide disparity of takes here all aimed at disparaging the NYT but going in different directions."
Given the history and performance of the NYT, every criticism and disparagement of the NYT from every angle offered, and from other angles yet unoffered, are completely justified and irrefutable.
"I love the wide disparity of takes here all aimed at disparaging the NYT but going in different directions."
That's because the contemptibility of the Nooyawk Toims is limitless, thus the axes of the defined space are infinite. One may aim anywhere within that space and hit the target squarely.
LLR-democratical Rich, the Harry Sisson of Althouse blog, is , unsurprisingly, lying again. This time about the New Soviet Democraticals and their astroturf campaign to overrun Republican legislator townhalls with bussed in agitators.
Readers of Althouse blog will recall how the kamala campaign would pay for bussed in fake "supporters" to kamala "rallies", which our hapless LLR-democratical Rich would hype in the cringiest fashion possible on this blog.
This is simply the reverse of that tactic and comes as no surprise given our New Soviet Democraticals are mired in the low 20's in terms of approval polls and couldn't generate an organic support crowd for any issue if their lives depended upon it.
And dont even get me started on ActBlue and their criminal smurfing operations.
This is journalism today.
BINGO! I had that on my Trump Cabinet Card.
Readers of Althouse blog will recall how the kamala campaign would pay for bussed in fake "supporters" to kamala "rallies"
Of course they were bussed in. You wouldn't expect Democrats to pay their own way, would you?
If this is true, it makes Duffy look like a jackass. Is this another loser appointed by TRump? He's picked a lot of them.
From Trump's reaction in the Oval Office with the FIFA head, the one take that's wrong is that Trump fed Haberman.
The subtext in this piece is that Trump (not surprisingly) is a terrible manager. He’s bad at everything except lying.
It was addressed upthread, buy as Hugh Hewitt said "I'd expect such an interaction at the meeting".
LLR-democratical Rich: "The subtext in this piece..."
The only "subtext" in this make believe "piece" in the Walter Duranty Times is the same subtext we've been witnessing for 10+ years: its made up.
But dont worry Abacus Boy, the New Soviet Democraticals on the Pulitzer Committee will be happy to reward the New Soviet Democraticals at the the NYT for their Pravda-like explication of the latest New Soviet Democratical hoaxes.
Its a tight and well-worn little loop there.
As also noted above, it's the NYT reporting this... and nobody was peeing on the bed?
Jeebus. Talk about Gell-Mann amnesia!
“U.S Transportation Secretary Mr. Duffy said the young staff of Mr. Musk’s team was trying to lay off air traffic controllers. What am I supposed to do? Mr. Duffy said. I have multiple plane crashes to deal with now, and your people want me to fire air traffic controllers??” ~ NYT
But far funnier was the fact that the exchange ended with Trump telling Duffy that he had to hire people from M.I.T. as air traffic controllers. These air traffic controllers need to be “geniuses,” he said.
Trump is so eye wateringly unintelligent.
"Really anyone that pays attention to the NYT's, NBC, or any of the dead legacy media is just breathing life into a dying diseased animal."
I'm trying to make sure I understand you here, Achilles. So, basically, you're saying that paying for a subscription to the NYT, and reading it regularly, is like putting a mental liplock on a rabid sewer rat? Is that kind of the idea?
LOL
Looks like we have another (ANOTHER!) "Suckers and losers" hoax being pushed by the desperate New Soviet Democraticals.
Its all so very tired and worn out, isn't it?
So very emblematic of a failed political party that literally just voted in David Hogg into a position of actual leadership!
No party that pathetic will ever be in a position to extricate themselves from the lunacy quagmire into which they voluntarily and gleefully thrown themselves.
Note how the tactics of our New Soviet Democraticals, like LLR-democratical Rich, dont deviate an iota from all the other debunked and discarded hoaxes they've launched for a decade.
"So, basically, you're saying that paying for a subscription to the NYT, and reading it regularly, is like putting a mental liplock on a rabid sewer rat?"
Imagine being forced to choose. The mind boggles.
All this hoo-rah, but does anyone know if the supposed sources were even in the room? All I see is the descriptor "knowledgeable", which of course, means less than nothing by itself.
Jupiter said...
"Really anyone that pays attention to the NYT's, NBC, or any of the dead legacy media is just breathing life into a dying diseased animal."
I'm trying to make sure I understand you here, Achilles. So, basically, you're saying that paying for a subscription to the NYT, and reading it regularly, is like putting a mental liplock on a rabid sewer rat? Is that kind of the idea?
Yes. I would liken it to performing CPR on a particularly vicious and stupid rodent.
But Rats get a bad rap imo. They are actually kinda smart as compared to your average New York Times reader. At least clever.
NYT readers are more like a cross between a yellow jacket and a koala bear. Just really stupid and nasty little creatures that will bite and sting anything around them but in a stupid slow dull eyed way.
Some people are just stuck in the past and cannot get over the fall of a Regime. It is over. These articles are all the same the lies are so transparent and tedious and the commentary is all the same.
NYT, so maybe it happened and maybe not, but whatever happened this the most negative way of spinning it. You might as well get the story from Adam Schiff.
In a comment over on the other post about Mudk Inga wrote:
So, running the government like the running of X hasn’t worked out as well as anticipated, eh?
Even a blind pig can find an acorn, or so they say. But she’s quite right. Musk’s business success doesn’t matter because the federal government is more like a collection of principalities than a top-down, hierarchical business organization. Each cabinet officer has an idea about how they plan to run their department or agency, and the idea that they should try to realize their vision using whatever staff Musk’s kiddies care to leave them is not going to be acceptable.
As to the specific statements alleged to have been made by Musk, and the details of his interaction with Duffy, they come across to me as pretty fanciful.
The fact that the media keeps running the angry town hall line on these stories tells me it's made up. The angry town hall in Georgia did not happen in a red area. That's Kamala country. They're trying really hard to establish a narrative.
Upon further consideration, I think there is a better analogy, which does not involve the mouth of the diseased animal, of whatever species. The technical term is "felch". Reading the New York Times is like felching a rabid animal.
I find it somewhat surprising, that many of the commenters here attempt to minimize the extent of the conflict within the Trump cabinet. As if they really just cannot get their minds around the idea that the whole story, from start to finish, is a complete fabrication, and the sainted New York Times hires people to lie, pays them to lie, and would summarily fire them if they failed to concoct a confection of absurd lies.
Lying liars lie and lie.
Doo-dah! Doo-dah!
NYT. Bull****.
"Today, the New York Times claimed, without evidence...."
"Inga hacked hardin's account."
Only if his password was "password."
They keep saying “deep red Georgia”. Roswell is definitely no “deep red” and those protestors were not disaffected Trump voters.
When does the Crab Rangoon show up?
Little coprophilic. What is the job of the FAA?
Do you really want people whos main concern in life is transitioning their gender rather than the next plane in the que?
The pilot of the private jet that crossed the runway at Midway while a Southwest jet was touching down will never pilot another plane. He won't even co pilot an airplane.
If you think there was a dispute between the FAA boss and Musk, just wait until he digs into Pentagon spending. And hey, is he also auditing the CIA by any chance? That should be worth a few sensible chuckles when reported.
Trump says the fight between Rubio and Musk/Duffy and Musk didn't happen.
I’m guessing the only part of this article that’s true is that there was a meeting and Elon Musk and cabinet secretaries were there.
But, let’s say some of it is true. It exposes the difference wbreeen alignment and agreement. Alignment means the parties share a common alignment to a strategy and a core set of values and principles to achieve that strategy. It does not mean the parties are in agreement on the tactics necessary to execute the strategy and, in fact, may vehemently disagree. This is what successful organizations look like. Bad organizations force agreement on tactics to appear united while parties stab each other in the back. Great organizations stay aligned to the strategy while having robust debate on the tactics.
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