Also: "I created a male persona that was saturnine, cerebral, a bit remote, a bit owlish, possibly ‘quirky,’ coming close to asexual despite my best intentions."
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"Maleness did not appeal to me at all, with its acrid musk, its stubble, its needful dangling genitalia, its oafishness and clumsiness, its sense of mission and conquest, its resemblance to the aspects of myself I most despised."
Writes Lucy Sante, formerly Luc Sante, quoted in "How Lucy Sante Became the Person She Feared/In her memoir of transitioning in her sixties, the writer assesses the cost of suppressing her identity for decades" (The New Yorker).
Also: "I created a male persona that was saturnine, cerebral, a bit remote, a bit owlish, possibly ‘quirky,’ coming close to asexual despite my best intentions."
The article is by Emily Witt, who says: "On the other side of her transition, Sante is finally able to assess the cost to her social life and well-being of keeping a secret from herself for nearly six decades. The book is most powerful as a depiction of the agony of suppression.... Her inability to be herself in public made her retreat from social life.... Her difficulty accepting her gender was compounded by a sense that it was too late in life to indulge in what she still thought of as fantasies.... Now, she says, 'I am the person I feared most of my life. I have, as they say, gone there.'"
Also: "I created a male persona that was saturnine, cerebral, a bit remote, a bit owlish, possibly ‘quirky,’ coming close to asexual despite my best intentions."
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Without giving a thought to maleness, I somehow wound up doing male things. Flying, math, science, philosophy.
Vicki Hearne on dangly things:
... I was once involved in a panel discussion at which the idea was voiced and elaborated that riding horses was a good way for girls to prepare for marriage because it gave them practice controlling something powerful and dangerous between their legs. I thought, and at enormous risk of self-exposure said, that controlling something powerful and dangerous between my legs didn't characterize either marriage or horsemanship as I had experienced them. It is true that some activities that fall under the heading "sex" can be dangerous, but before AIDS it was the thing the man sometimes had in his hand, and not the thing between his legs, that was worrisome. And there are some differences between husbands and horses that I thought worthy of consideration, including the fact that in the case of husbands direct mutual genital contact is to the point, whereas it interferes with horsemanship. I don't doubt that it is possible, only that it is horsemanship.
Vicki Hearne, _Bandit_, p.205
seems like trans men transition in their sixties (ish).. the end of their reproductive life
seems like trans women transition in their teens.. the start of their reproductive life
isn't THAT interesting?
"...possibly quirky"
An evasive way to admit to perversion.
Get over yourself, really.
Married twice with an offspring. Identifies as lesbian?
Well.... Why didn't you say something?
"Acrid Musk"
Is she referring to Elon's sharp tweets?
I read the "Maleness did not appeal to me . . ." quote and thought of my nephew who said almost the same thing, but in the context of explaining why he never contemplated having gay sex.
"Now, she says, 'I am the person I feared most of my life. I have, as they say, gone there.'"
All well and good. Now stay there.
---The danger of revelation was particularly acute for Sante in areas where a person longs to be most open: in intimate relationships, in sexuality, in drug use.
Three equal categories to Emily Witt, the NYer author? But excuse my right-wing hatred. : )
Can't judge this difficult life, and wouldn't even try. She does look like Patti Smith.
Please God spare from progressive self discovery.
Sante was kicked out of a NY Jesuit high school. Good!
Weimar to the nth.
"I created a male persona that was saturnine, cerebral, a bit remote, a bit owlish, possibly ‘quirky,’ "
I just wonder whether the "female persona" "she" has created is also "saturnine, cerebral, a bit remote, a bit owlish, possibly quirky." Or is "she" now "herself" and is that real self a happy-go-lucky, instinct-driven, touchy-feely repeater of cliches, and a conformist? What is this former-he now doing that makes him think: "Now I am a woman?" It doesn't come out in the article.
Fake-gender identity is just a new version of multiple personality disorder. Instead of a traumatized person creating a "Mitch" personality with a macho personality, she is creating a male personality as a defense mechanism. The traumatized person needs mental health counseling to understand the trauma and deal with it, not changing to a fake gender, dressing and acting the fake gender and eventually having surgery.
Fake gender activists are deeply trouble people. Normals need to push back and not indulge the FGA's mental illness.
How did Sante get into Columbia after getting kicked out of Regis? I guess Mark Rudd had a lingering affect on applications.
Sometimes people can obsess about something so much they believe it's real.
For instance, we are familiar with people who fall in love with a famous person and think about them so much they start feeling they have a relationship with that person. It's not a real relationship, but they are emotionally obsessed. This is the belief of the subconscious mind which does not distinguish between the real world and the world of imagination. Repetition and visualization, imagining being with someone, sets up the fictional relationship on a deep level.
I'm not saying this person doesn't identify with aspects of the female gender or she doesn't deserve to live as a woman if she chooses to do so. But she is not a female.
The story reveals that she had a solid male identity through her profession. I think this is genuine, not a defense. If she was really the stereotypical woman she imagines, she would not have been able to do have her writing career, IMO. You can't create a completely different personality in conflict with your instinctive interests without some kind of psychological breakdown. She would not have been a successful writer if the topics she wrote about had not been truly interesting to her.
IMO this person is essentially male and would have been a writer of the same kind of books and behaved the same socially no matter what her external gender appearance was. I think she instinctively knew this and did not want to give up or threaten her career to become transgender. If we weren't liviing in such a politically fraught era about transgenderism she wouldn't be so judgmental towards herself for not transitioning sooner, imo.
I was curious to learn more about Lucy Sante so watched part of an interview on Youtube where she says she has had eclectic interests since she was 14 and that's why she's written about such diverse topics. She's an interesting person and the trans aspect is the least interesting part. There is no way she will ever be mistaken for a woman, and that's OK, I accept her as a trans woman. I only object to the aggressive insistence that being a transwoman makes someone female.
It's not that there is any aspect of the human condition that is devoid of interest. It's just that most people aren't all that interested in people who have built a lifestyle around, say, toenail fungus. It's out there, it's real, it's naturally repellant, for whatever reason pathology is naturally repellant. It may impel a certain horrified fascination. But most people aren't all that interested.
I guess it's your blog, and I read it. So who's not interested? We're all in this together. Does this Lucky Saint pervert have some kind of labia in its crotch, left over from whatever surgical atrocities it has purchased? Are they pierced? Are they tattooed? What color? How often does it wash them, and with what? Can you buy the soiled cloths on the internet, with a credit card? Let's GO there!
Functional definition of mental illness: Intellectualism disconnected from biological reality.
All the body cutting and cosplay in the world can't change your chromosomes from XX to XY or from XY to XX or to XXX or some sterile mule variant. The transgender era resulted from state-funded surgery and doctors/politicians who profit from mental illness and mutilation.
Obamacare was the direct cause. In the words of CNN in 2014:
https://www.cnn.com/2014/08/26/health/obamacare-transgender-surgery/index.html
Antifa picked the wrong targets. The left let foxes into the henhouse.
I have come to the scientific fact that there are three sexes, male, female and retard.
But why should we care? Or more specifically, why would we want to read about it?
Boundaries are needed, respect towards value of individual personal privacy ignored by too many people thinking they've a sensational story that must be told, that must be documented.
Explain it again, I still don't get it.
Sante registered for the draft and pissed standing up. That's the male experience. The female experience is monthly periods and the possibility of getting pregnant and giving birth. Otherwise, do what you want.
By transitioning at 66 years old, what is Sante gaining?
Sante is a few years older than me, and I'm pretty certain that nobody cares how I live. If I transitioned, the only difference is that I could invade the women's locker room at Planet Fitness.
A cynical person might suspect that Sante is transitioning because it is a performative act open to her and will yield some attention. I wish her well.
NYT: All the news that's fit to print... and a whole lotta click bait crap.
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"... a person longs to be most open: in intimate relationships, in sexuality, in drug use."
A person longs to be most open in drug use? As in pass me that needle, Claude, and I'll tell you about my "funny Uncle Fred"?
Whatever. Welcome to the Ladies room.
Sounds like a classic autogynephile.
(For those unfamiliar with autogynephilia, it’s what pretty much all the late-transitioning men have - they are sexually excited by the thought of themselves as women. All of those videos that Libs of Tik Tok links to that have the very entitled man proclaiming that he’s a woman, and is extremely belligerent to those who deny his female nature…that’s autogynephilia. It’s extraordinarily politically incorrect to say it, but that’s what is going on.)
Why are we listening to crazy people?
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