Meanwhile: "Rudy Giuliani targets Donald Trump for ‘unpaid legal fees’ in new bankruptcy filing/Mr Giuliani filed for bankruptcy last month after he was ordered to pay $148m to Georgia election workers he defamed" (Independent). The filing lists a "possible claim for unpaid legal fees against Donald J Trump" in an amount that is "undetermined."
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"Donald J. Trump might one day have to pay E. Jean Carroll the $83.3 million she was awarded, but that day is not today...."
"Mr. Trump can pay the $83.3 million to the court, which will hold the money while the appeal is pending. This is what he did last year when a jury ordered him to pay Ms. Carroll $5.5 million in a related case. Or, Mr. Trump can try to secure a bond.... It would... require Mr. Trump to find a financial institution willing to lend him a large sum of money at a time when he is in significant legal jeopardy.... He has enough cash to cover the verdict in various accounts, a person close to him said. In recent years, Mr. Trump has unloaded several assets, including his Washington hotel, which sold for $375 million.... The New York attorney general is seeking a $370 million penalty from the former president and his family business as part of a civil fraud trial that wrapped up this month...."
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Trump will post a bond. And both of the E. Jean verdicts will be reversed. A sure thing.
And obtaining a bond is NOT the same as a loan.
I thought MSNBC’s Chris Hayes was going to have an orgasm on air last night. Weirdo.
Wow! Just caught Molly Jong Fast on MSNBC. “Women are believed.” What about Tara Reade.
Molly is a complete nut job. No sane or fair person believes E. Jean.
Look what they've done to my Trump.
Also on Friday a Philadelphia jury awarded a plaintiff $2 Billion in punitive damages ($250 Million in actual) against Monsanto (parent company Bayer) because its weed killer product supposedly gave him cancer.
Where's the outrage?
And now applying for an appellate bond will give Trump an exciting new opportunity to misstate his assets. This is a substantial judgment and will be a real liability to the extent there is a still a court system that enforces judgments against him in 2025.
How does the honorable judge Althouse view the underlying case subsequent award ceremonies? I see the ability of someone to charge, defame, distract and shake down a leading presidential candidate with a unwitnessed crime, on a non specific date and time from the 1990's and limit the defendant's free speech rights to publicly rebut?
Totally fair award. She was disrespected. No one dares disrespect a vagino-American. Especially about something she can’t prove.
trump will fail both appeals,Alina Habba,a really incompetent lawyer may face penalty for her incompetent representation,and next up the 370 million from fraud asset case.trump will need his loyalists to send him more $$$ thats how he rolls.Good luck finding institution lending this fella big bucks!Pay back is a bitch.Kaplan dont take no prisoners! The fella grabbed the wrong woman by the pussy as he likes to state, even if he is a star.
You've got to stay on topic. Don't use a thread to say that I am talking about this topic instead of some other topic. If you think there's a good topic that I could cover, say so in a post that gives you an open thread. Don't weigh down this post! I've seen that kind of comment for 20 years, insinuating that there's something wrong with me for choosing this topic instead of something else the reader thinks is more important. It only makes me LESS likely to write on the other topic.
$148 million seems reasonable based no doubt on lost earnings due to the defamation. Our legal system is so impressive, especially the judges. It makes me proud to have been a lawyer. /S
Nice one, Lem.
At least the 80 year-old EJC's surviving cats will be well taken care of when the time comes for any money to change hands.
Can someone please clarify: what was the proximate source of the claimed defamation.
Was it Trump calling her a "nutjob" or something else?
Marshall's Iron Law Of Collections:
The easier it is to get the judgment the less likely you are to collect.
I see NPR was leading with the Trump trial this AM. PBS newshour was leading with it yesterday or Thursday,.
Who cares about actual issues affecting the country. Lets salivate over the hated Orange man having to pay money for a fake defamation verdict.
Given the absurd unfairness, maybe Dumbo cons will finally wake up and do something about the biased jury pools and judges in DC,NYC, Delaware. But don't count on it. Republicans and conservatives never look past their nose, and only care about themselves. That's why the organized Left/Democrats have them for lunch.
Carroll will never see a dime of money. The appeals process will go on for the next 10 years at a minimum, and Trump will likely eventually win because of the ex post facto nature of the the law change that allowed Carroll to sue in the first place, not to mention the clear bill of attainder nature.
Lying liars like Carroll should get nothing.
Lawfare at its best.
Unless you can show my an equivalent case where someone on the left in a similar situation has received similar treatment at the hands of the judicial system.
Lay persons don’t get it. It is one thing to get a judgement and another thing to collect it.
vagino-American
Vagino- is a transgendered pronoun that refers to the male sex with a carved [front] hole... whore.
Vagina- is a gendered pronoun that refers to the female sex of Nature's... Her choice.
Those Georgia election workers would be lucky to make 1% of that figure if they lived to be 120. So yeah, seems a bit excessive.
He needs to get the compensetary damages reduced a lot in order to get larger punitive reduced. Ratio here well within the limit the USSC requires of 10 to 1.
Blogger Levi Starks said...
Lawfare at its best.
Unless you can show my an equivalent case where someone on the left in a similar situation has received similar treatment at the hands of the judicial system.
Well said. This all reminds me of VD Hanson calling Trump a "tragic hero."
These judgements seem excessive. If allowed to stand it will bankrupt the elites on the left since they are guilty of actial crimes and to a person guilty of defaming conservatives. Liberal courts can’t reach everywhere…
I will today predict the most costly own goal in human history…
Can Trump’s campaign just deposit the money with the court?
All these cases are campaign related
Thank goodness he didn’t shoot himself in the foot during the trial and had top notch counsel from his well qualified attorney, or things could have gone much worse.
Arthur McKinley said...
"limit the defendant's free speech rights to publicly rebut?"
Trump could have testified under oath at the trial on the merits. He chose not to.
I take a different lesson from this.
Both Trump and Guliani are large men, larger than life, who have made bold, and because they made bold, achieved big things.
People look at the money and say: "Oh! 83 million!" and "Oh! 148 million". They look at bankruptcy, lost court cases and say "These men are ruined! How can they go on?"
And yet Trump and Guliani DO go on. They continue to make bold, and to achieve more. They have seen numbers like this, and know that they are not definitive. They have seen labels such as "ruined" and "finished" -- many times, and know they are just labels, applied by little people, unimaginative people, people who cannot envision the future, who cannot see the important things, whose judgement is of no worth.
83 million and 148 million are just numbers, and not the important ones. The important numbers are how many years of life remain, how many years of vigor -- and no one knows exactly what THOSE numbers are.
So what about us? We are, generally, not young. How will we spend our last years and our last vigor?
I have seen so many in their old age who hide in their senior residences, compulsively counting their money and worrying it will not last, afraid to come out and confront the world, to wrest one last victory, to gather up the last of the blessings bestowed upon them and risk them once more to attempt one last triumph.
Do you feel that fear yourself? We must fight against it.
rehajm said...
" These judgements seem excessive. If allowed to stand it will bankrupt the elites on the left since they are guilty of actial crimes and to a person guilty of defaming conservatives. Liberal courts can’t reach everywhere…
I will today predict the most costly own goal in human history…"
Bring it on- can't say the Know Nothing Litigation track record is very impressive. Will Habba be representing you?
This is a good lawsplainer from Mitchell Epner on that big Trump verdict and what he’ll have to do to appeal it.
Frequently Asked Questions About The $83.3 Million Verdict Against Donald Trump For Defaming E. Jean Carroll
https://mitchellepner.substack.com/p/frequently-asked-questions-about?utm_source=post-email-title&publication_id=612934&post_id=141108147&utm_campaign=email-post-title&isFreemail=true&r=9w60&utm_medium=email
In the future, when Trump Towers is an abandoned, piss soaked dump filled with junkies and homeless people, New Yorkers will wonder how this came to be.
Y'all are ignoring that this isn't just he-said she-said. If Trump had just said he was innocent, it might have ended up that way. But, being Trump, he had to go out and say that he had no idea who she was, had never met her and she was too ugly to rape. When it was shown that he absolutely knew who she was and confused pictures of her with Marla Maples, his credibility was destroyed.
Bunkypotatohead said...
"In the future, when Trump Towers is an abandoned, piss soaked dump filled with junkies and homeless people, New Yorkers will wonder how this came to be."
Does that mean Trump, Melania, Paul Manafort, the Eurotrash, and the other grifters are going to be gone? Great, I'll take the junkies and the homeless people.
Blogger Mutaman said...
Bunkypotatohead said...
"In the future, when Trump Towers is an abandoned, piss soaked dump filled with junkies and homeless people, New Yorkers will wonder how this came to be."
Does that mean Trump, Melania, Paul Manafort, the Eurotrash, and the other grifters are going to be gone? Great, I'll take the junkies and the homeless people.
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In cities like San Francisco, Portland, LA, Chicago, etc. are already at your preferred state. I guess they are just anticipating your happy ending to Trump et al.
NYC will fill it with illegals. They don't care about you Mutaman. Suffer. You deserve everything coming your way. You voted for it.
Giuliani "Targets" Trump by listing outstanding legal fees in bankruptcy?
Isn't that what you are required to do when you file for bankruptcy?
Also--how much did Judge Engoron decide the Washington hotel was worth?
I think we can ALL agree that Trump is a braggart and a loudmouth, and often behaves like an intemperate fool. These are not crimes, and in my opinion do not disqualify him from being a good president. I often wish he behaved more modestly, but then he really would not be Donald Trump, would he? The bottom line is that the legal moves being made against him are unprecedented and extremely damaging (or perhaps just revealing) to the reputation of our judicial system. Democrats laugh and revel in the fact that he cannot even hire decent lawyers, and is getting crucified (figuratively, of course, I don't think of him as a Christ figure, and shouldn't even have to write something so stupid). I think this is terribly short sighted behavior.
Trump paid touching tribute to his lawyer on Truth Social. In lieu of paying her, no doubt.
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
trump takes a 5,000,000 fine to 83,000,000 because his ego and big mouth.The team for Carroll said the main premise against trump is he is a bully and cant control himself.A self predicting claim as the jurors and judge watched him act a fool.Habba is the most caustic incompetent lawyer who may be brought on sanctions,made a false claim about judge and had to walk it back and trump now seeking new counsel.These are the only type of counsel he can get ,the Guilianis,Habbas,the smart ones ran away.Soon the big mouth will(Letia james 370,00,000 probably more and abolis his fraud organization) add to the pile and have his minions pay for his fines.They'll send it in gladly and the donors are being conned with their money going to pay his fines(already over 5,000,000 pain.Whats the saying "theres one born every minute" :(
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