१ डिसेंबर, २०२३

"Music, I regret to say, affects me merely as an arbitrary succes­sion of more or less irritating sounds."

Wrote Vladimir Nabokov, quoted in "Who Doesn’t Like Music? Nabokov, For Starters On the Odd Case of the Musical Anhedonic" (via Metafilter).

The article is by Michel Faber, who says:
Musical anhedonics are thought to account for up to 5 percent of the world’s population....  The syndrome is often discussed in the same articles that pon­der the mysteries of autism. The subtext is that normal people feel and react in certain ways (e.g. laughing at the “right” mo­ments, getting chills when they hear “sublime” sounds), and that abnormal people—the autists, the anhedonics—don’t.... 
[N]otions of normalcy are used by dominant social groups to maintain control and to organize systems in ways that suit them.... 
The music lovers assume you’re no different from them and, to keep the peace, you let them believe that.... In our society it is considered shameful not to appreciate music....
... Friedrich Nietzsche declared that “without music, life would be a mistake.”  ... Billy Joel described music as “an explosive expression of humanity. It’s something we are all touched by. No matter what culture you’re from, everyone loves music.”... 
The self-appointed elite speak for us all, and never hear the silence from those who don’t share their values.... [M]usic is...  tremendously overhyped. Every day, heaps and heaps of superlatives are shoveled onto it by people who, in truth, did not feel what their words tell you they felt. They heard a record/went to a concert and had a pleasant time, whereupon they tell you that their mind exploded into a million iridescent fragments, propelled around the cosmos on waves of dervish ec­stasy....

५० टिप्पण्या:

n.n म्हणाले...

Auditory dissonance is a universal perception.

Jamie म्हणाले...

I love to sing and love certain kinds of music, but I don't especially enjoy live music venues - especially when the music is stopped to be background. I HATE talking over music. Unfortunately my husband loves love music, so we often have to compromise.

His ideal evening out is shirtsleeve weather at a brewpub on water, with a band playing.

Lyssa म्हणाले...

Interesting. I certainly wouldn’t go as far as Nabokov -there are plenty of songs I enjoy (though mostly in the performative sense; I like songs that are fun to sing along with), I find background music generally pleasant, and I can appreciate that some musical segments are quite pretty. I love musicals (though again, I think that’s largely where they’re fun). But I’ve never really felt like I “get” the pure appreciation of music itself (despite having spent my youth in band and theater) the way a lot of people seem to. I could largely take music or leave it; it doesn’t mean much to me. Even in my teens, I was mostly bored by discussions of the popular performers of the time (though, funny enough, I really enjoy hearing those songs now, as they seem, well, fun).

I have a minor hearing impairment, and I’ve often wondered if there’s some aspect that I am literally not hearing, because what it does for people, I just don’t get. And it’s the sort of thing people largely make you feel like you might be a little bit of a sociopath for not getting.

SeanF म्हणाले...

"Every day, heaps and heaps of superlatives are shoveled onto it by people who, in truth, did not feel what their words tell you they felt. They heard a record/went to a concert and had a pleasant time, whereupon they tell you that their mind exploded into a million iridescent fragments, propelled around the cosmos on waves of dervish ec­stasy...."

I'll admit that I am not "moved" by music the way other people claim to be, although I do enjoy it. I'll also admit that I'm self-diagnosed as borderline autistic. :)

But I see no need to go as far as Faber and assume they're lying about their experience. I'm not in their head any more than they are in mine.

Narr म्हणाले...

He also reported that he hated sleep.

I'm with Fred on this one, but VN's lack of appreciation for something dear to me affects my love of his art not a whit.

The historian John Lukacs--usually a very careful writer, and like VN a refugee from the Reds--once complained of "the too-diversely talented Nabokov," apparently confusing the writer for a musical cousin of his.

That's an irony both might have appreciated.

US Grant claimed that he only recognized two pieces of music--one was "Yankee Doodle" and the other one wasn't.



Paul Zrimsek म्हणाले...

One of the many things this thumbsucker of an article needs, is an explanation for why the capitalist forces which induced me to buy Peter Gabriel's album have been powerless to make me buy any of Taylor Swift's.

Narr म्हणाले...

He also reported that he hated sleep.

I'm with Fred on this one, but VN's lack of appreciation for something dear to me affects my love of his art not a whit.

The historian John Lukacs--usually a very careful writer, and like VN a refugee from the Reds--once complained of "the too-diversely talented Nabokov," apparently confusing the writer for a musical cousin of his.

That's an irony both might have appreciated.

US Grant claimed that he only recognized two pieces of music--one was "Yankee Doodle" and the other one wasn't.

Kathryn51 म्हणाले...

My mother taught piano lessons for years - in our home. 3:00-6:00 pm every Monday, Tuesday Wednesday - first would come the highschool/junior highers, then elementary students.

My father was absolutely "tone deaf". He could not distinguish one melody from another. I don't know whether that classifies him as an "anhedonic" but it worked for mom and dad because Dad would come home from work, sit down and read the newspaper and all of the mistakes (wrong chords, notes, etc) didn't bother him at all.

I enjoy music - but don't enjoying listening to songs (the words). One of my girlfriends is involved in one of those adult choir/singing groups that competes nationally. When she describes the overwhelming joy she feels when singing with the group, I just nod my head and smile - I don't get it at all.

William म्हणाले...

I recently read parts of "Speak Memory". Nabokov came from an aristocratic Russian family that lost everything in the revolution. He seems to have been remarkably cultured. On just about every page he made use of some obscure word that I had to look up. And English wasn't his first or even second language....There was something a little creepy about Nabokov. He spent far too much time studying butterflies. Only Bond villains do that, and he became a recognized authority on lepidopterology. He killed and mounted thousands of butterflies... There was an adolescent girl that he had a crush on, and she occupied more of the his attention than the Russian Revolution that was going on around him or even butterflies.....It's just as well he didn't like music. I could see him playing Bach on the organ in his castle and telling his young captive that he was going to fix it so that her ephemeral beauty would last for eternity.

Laughing Fox म्हणाले...

Ulysses S. Grant found music irritating. As a child, he was excused from church by his parents, because the music upset him. This was a big parental concession in those times.

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

"Music, I regret to say, affects me merely as an arbitrary succes­sion of more or less irritating sounds."

That can happen, especially if you spend a lot of time working with it. It takes a LOT for me to say "no more" but, when I get there, it's real. Another one is the tyranny of the 4/4 beat in western music. It can drive me crazy. That's why I keep Zappa or someone else of that caliber around.

"The self-appointed elite speak for us all, and never hear the silence from those who don’t share their values...."

Ain't THAT the truth.

"[M]usic is... tremendously overhyped."

Pop music, definitely, but music overall? Not a chance.

"Every day, heaps and heaps of superlatives are shoveled onto it by people who, in truth, did not feel what their words tell you they felt."

Bullshit. I know where I was, when I heard certain songs, the way other people remember the Kennedy assassination.

"They heard a record/went to a concert and had a pleasant time, whereupon they tell you that their mind exploded into a million iridescent fragments, propelled around the cosmos on waves of dervish ec­stasy...."

That totally depends on the band, record, concert, song, and/or drugs, but - believe me - it can happen.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

What Shawn F said…

CJinPA म्हणाले...

"Music is none of my business." - Marge Simpson

[N]otions of normalcy are used by dominant social groups to maintain control and to organize systems in ways that suit them....

Or, they organically organize due to the fact that the vast majority of people observe commonalities. (That's less satisfying to OPPRESSOR v. OPPRESSED simple minds, but it's true.)

Robert Cook म्हणाले...

It's a good thing Nabokov didn't hear any of Frank Zappa's music, as even many music lovers (me, for one) are apt to experience it as "an arbitrary succession of more or less irritating sounds." Zappa's music might have driven him to stab his eardrums to induce deafness.

Narr म्हणाले...

Fortunately for me, apparently, I didn't get the memo about exploding minds and dervish ecstasies. I'd be disappointed in music too, if that's what I expected.

Rocco म्हणाले...

Jamie said...
"[My husband's] ideal evening out is shirtsleeve weather at a brewpub on water, with a band playing."

Yo, bro!

OTOH, my wife hates loud noises, drinking, and crowds in that order. Said brewpub would be her vision of the 3rd circle of hell.

MadisonMan म्हणाले...

Any article about music and Nabokov will of course remind me of a great lyric:

"Just like the
old man in
that book by Nabokov"

Dear Mr Nabokov, please don't stand so close to me.

Narr म्हणाले...

I think sports affect me like music did Nabokov. Back in the 2Blowhards days, there was a fellow there who liked to say that an inability to enjoy and appreciate sport was a form of spiritual impoverishment.

That's got to be one of the Internet Breakers of all time.

Speaking of Russian Revolutions, I'm about halfway through Sean MacMeekin's "The Russian Revolution: A New History." MacMeekin's a bar-setting revisionist. Excellent work.





Readering म्हणाले...

Feel bad for him and the 5%. As i get older i lose connection with latest in American pop music, but find myself exploring new genres. I'm not someone who has the radio or wifi playing in the backround at home or work, but in the car station tuned to local college classical or jazz stations.

Sheridan म्हणाले...

Music for me involves the evocation of emotion. I studied history in college (no money in that so turned to E&C project management) and learned to tie my enjoyment of specific types of music (no Taylor Swift) to historical epochs. For example, if one enjoys military history try not to understand/enjoy "Men of Harlach". Or Beethoven's 7th Symphony. Or Tchaikovsky's "Solemn Overture, Op. 49".

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Barring Mozart's Elisa, Ave Maria, and Bohemian Rhapsody, I am entirely uninterested in music. I don't know why. They seem to be enough?

PM म्हणाले...

Music is man's greatest invention.

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

Robert Cook said...

'It's a good thing Nabokov didn't hear any of Frank Zappa's music, as even many music lovers (me, for one) are apt to experience it as "an arbitrary succession of more or less irritating sounds."'

You do know I'm here to counter everything you say about the man's music, right?

On topic: I'd feel sorry for anyone who can't feel this.

Jaq म्हणाले...

"Another one is the tyranny of the 4/4 beat in western music."

A lot of times musicians evolve beyond their audiences and become "musicians' musicians" Not a way to pack in the crowds, but as Joni Mitchell once said "Nobody ever said to Van Gogh, 'Paint Starry Night again!'"

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Crack: some songs are too beautiful. My dad used to play the jazz classics every Sunday, and Patsy Cline, and Dean Martin, and Johnny Mathis, which may seem lowbrow to you but is as pure as an angel.

He was raised in a workhouse but made a family and could sing as well as any mid-century crooner.

It is too much to hear them now. This is also why I don't sculpt anymore. Some things are too much to revisit.

I don't know if there's a word for that, but if there is, it's probably German and has 16 gutteral syllables, during which we can dry our eyes.

Dogma and Pony Show म्हणाले...

Good music can play upon your emotions in at least six ways, all at the same time:

1. Melody - Can be sweet, sad, evocative, etc.;
2. Harmonics - Ditto;
3. Rythm/beat - Can create a sense of excitement or one of steady comfort, for example;
4. Instrumentation - A violin affects us (westerners) differently than, say, a trumpet.
5. Lyrical content; and
6. Subjective associations - E.g., you hear a song and it takes you back to a certain place and time that you associate it with.

That's a lot of literally "moving" parts. I'm sorry that some people don't enjoy it the way most of us do.

Narr म्हणाले...

How are we sure that Nabokov never heard Zappa? (Not that he would have known, granted.)
Zappa had been active for years when VN died.

As long as we're talking about him, he didn't much care for Germans either. (VN, not Zappa. I don't know how Zappa felt about them.)

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

"Music lovers" hold this (Jazz) and this (Speedbass) or this (Pig Fuck) in the same esteem. It's not about pretty, or uplifting, but the artists articulating unknown experience accurately, utilizing sound. And there's a lot of unknown experience out there.

I mean, I'd hate to live in a world with jThe Beatles but no Laibach. Or The Stones but no Devo. Or just a world of Pop.

Give me the magic.

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

Tina Trent said...

"Crack: some songs are too beautiful."

I agree: I can't play this enough.

"My dad used to play the jazz classics every Sunday, and Patsy Cline, and Dean Martin, and Johnny Mathis, which may seem lowbrow to you but is as pure as an angel."

Nothing's too lowbrow for me: I love music. This has made me cry.

If anything, I just wish I'd had a better opportunity to make more of a contribution, than I did. I think the world would be different. I know I would've been.

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

Narr said...

"As long as we're talking about him, he didn't much care for Germans either."

I can't see them caring much for him, either.

Two-eyed Jack म्हणाले...

I love music and wish there were a lot less of it.

Let me shop, eat a sandwich, and get my teeth cleaned without music playing in the background (or, increasingly, in the foreground).

Robert Cook म्हणाले...

"You do know I'm here to counter everything you say about the man's music, right?"

Hahahaha! Fine...more's the fun!

I do very much like the SLEEP DIRT album art (and have done so since I first saw it in the late 70s) . It was painted by Gary Panter, who was the principle designer and artist for the Pee Wee Herman stage show in Los Angeles, and then later on the TV show, which was produced in NYC.

Narr म्हणाले...

How could I forget the great Alexander von Humboldt? Out to explore and discover in South America, having to endure politely when wealthy and sophisticated hosts in Caracas insisted that he enjoy the latest quartets from Paris and Vienna with them. It was just noise to him.

It would make a nice scene in a movie of his life. (Just don't let Ridley Scott near it.)

Narr म्हणाले...

I don't get it, Crack. But hello to you too.

Narr म्हणाले...

I don't get it, Crack. But hello to you too.

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Crack, thank you.

Rocco म्हणाले...

Paul Zrimsek said...
"One of the many things this thumbsucker of an article needs, is an explanation for why the capitalist forces which induced me to buy Peter Gabriel's album have been powerless to make me buy any of Taylor Swift's."

It's the Nuances of Intersectionality (*).

Your White Male Sexism that blocks you from enjoying Taylor Swift overrode your robotic Capitalist Stooge programming to buy more stuff.


(*) - This is the title of my next concept album.

Brian McKim and/or Traci Skene म्हणाले...

Probably a decent overlap with gelotophobes (people who fear laughter).

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Crack, you made your contribution. And there's more to come. You're a spaceman.

Meanwhile, back on, and under, the earth: https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OEQmbKw_Qqw.

Oligonicella म्हणाले...

An interesting topic and one that struck me enough to think about it before I posted anything.

I'm half-assed with a harmonica, I was lead singer/dancer for two stage productions and I believe I sing well. Yet, across my life I don't really DO a lot of music. When I spend my time writing, it's in silence. When I drive, no radio. Yet #2, I either cannot or will not fathom what that would be like. It strikes me very sad.

No Zappa appreciation. :(

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

Tina Trent,

The Rev. Al Green covering Hank Williams, Sr.

Narr म्हणाले...

Love the Cheikha Rimitti cut, Crack. Ululation never sounded so good.

Oligonicella म्हणाले...

@ Narr:

This gal does ululation on other pieces of hers but I'll link this since I found it quickly.

Her range of vocalizations is rather beautiful to listen to - Olena Uutai.

She's got a page of her own.

Oligonicella म्हणाले...

A much better video of Olena UUTAi. A very wide range of vocalizations, not as stage-production-ish and longer time than she got on BGT.

Olena UUTAi

typingtalker म्हणाले...

"Musical anhedonics are thought to account for up to 5 percent of the world’s population.... The syndrome is often discussed in the same articles that pon­der the mysteries of autism."

I wonder if there is some relation between musical anhedonics and presence or absence of absolute (or perfect) pitch. Those with perfect pitch can be annoyed (or worse) by music that is pitched different (even slightly) from where it "should" be -- for example when played from a turntable running slightly slower or faster than normal ... so slightly as to be unnoticed by most people. A problem that has been erased by digital systems.

Long Live the A440.

Tina Trent म्हणाले...

Of course Al Green. Who couldn't? I know he's sort of second tier, but I did like Jackie Wilson.

I met a guy in Sarasota once who said he filled in as a Pip. As in Gladys Night and the Pips. He proudly brought an album with his name on it to the pizzeria I was managing. And boy could he sing. But I never could find him online.

I guess I've gotten used to the idea that everything is on the internet.

Ralph L म्हणाले...

Wikipedia: "Much to his patriotic father's disappointment, Nabokov could read and write in English before he could in Russian."

Despite being almost entirely ethnic Germans, the later Romanovs had English nannies, which made them fashionable. Nicholas & Alexandra's letters to each other are in English.

Narr म्हणाले...

Thanks, Oligonicella. Something completely different.

The Crack Emcee म्हणाले...

Tina Trent said...

"Of course Al Green. Who couldn't? I know he's sort of second tier, but I did like Jackie Wilson."

He had it hard. Quincey Jones said he walked into an office one day and gangsters were holding Jackie Wilson by the legs outside the window. Quincey asked what they were doing. "Renegotiating his contract" was the reply.

Narr म्हणाले...

It's easy to understand how the non-musical or tone deaf would react to opera, but I'm wondering about how that condition might affect enjoyment of movies, many of which rely heavily on music.

Nabokov could write a funny passage that reads like a film scenario--IIRC, the luggage-packing scene in . . . Glory, or was it Pnin? Glory I think, when the protag loses the girl. In Pnin the protag loses his girl to the Nazis, not his own fecklessness.