They looked, and they did not find what — I presume — they were looking for.
Much more at the link. I cherry-picked — that is, I found what I was looking for.
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"The audible portions of the Fulton recordings reviewed by The Post do not appear to directly implicate Trump."
"At one point in [Sidney] Powell’s interview, she said Trump really believed he had won — a statement that could help his defense."
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The reason for the plea deal offering by the government may be they didn’t want to go through the discovery process?
They are hostage videos. In the year 2023, in these United States of America. Unbelievable.
It is hilarious and kind of scary at the same time that this case hinges on determining what Trump thought about the election in 2020. It seems blindingly obvious to me that Trump really did believe he was cheated out of the victory in both Georgia and a couple of other states or more, and I agree with him- the Democrats stole the election with an avalanche of fraudulent mail-in ballots, and the right to examine the actual ballots has been almost completely denied to his legal team, and it is hard to explain this denial as anything other than a coverup of what transpired.
How exactly do you prove that Trump didn't really believe this?
Let's Face FACTS. Trump is GUILTY! guilty of being a republican that won an election.
WaPo publishes a charitable cover-up of another nonviable impeachment by the Democratic establishment in progress.
They'll find what they were looking for, even if they have to make it up.
MAGA calling it “hearsay” already. Team MAGA is already responding as if it's the only evidence against Trump. Wapo clickbait….
They looked, and they did not find what — I presume — they were looking for.
That's because the time of Obama has come and gone.
Unless...
I post anonbymously so I can speak honestly. I think Biden probably won the election. But I think chances are 90% he did not legitimately win Georgia and maybe 65% he did not legitmately win Pennsylvania. I think he probably won Arizona (we have incompetence but not enough systematic deep-seated corruption here for Dems to try and steal it here).
I think what happened in Fulton county was absolutely corrupt and it's amazing that Trump is on trial there for questioning it.
They stole it straight up in Georgia.
How wrong to believe in himself. Now WaPo, do Hillary Clinton.
Trump "thought" he won the 2020 election...because he DID win the 2020 election.
Now we have video leaks from the prosecution. Understandably it is from those wrongfully accused but don't have Trump resource$, so they took misdemeanor plea deals. Sydney Powell, Jenna Ellis.
Yesterday ABC "obtained" video of Jenna Ellis providing hearsay evidence that Dan Scavino said that Trump said he just wasn't going to leave the White House.
Problem is...Trump did leave the White House...peacefully. And of all of our leaders, he chose not to attend Biden's bullshit inauguration.
2020- Millions of people watched the left cheat... after days of... "counting."
Millions.
do we all belong in the Democrat-Soviet thought crime gulag?
They want to gag Trump, and leak audio and video recordings of testimony. They also don't want to televise the proceedings.
I think they're trying to hide... VOTER FRAUD. Some things aren't complicated.
Is there anybody that REALLY believes the trials / court cases are about anything else?
Other than Rich of course... He's loves the outcome of the fraud and the lawfare.
it is hard to explain this denial as anything other than a coverup of what transpired.
My suspicion is that it's less about covering up a steal, and more about covering up that the elections in these big counties are a mess because the people working there are incompetent and corrupt. See also: Maricopa county. The problem is that no one in charge actually knows or follows the law, while money provided for things like training, equipment, and supplies is squandered or embezzled.
Gawd sometimes I really hate our judicial system. Worse than snail’s pace. Can’t find out in a reasonable time what happened in 2020 in order to fix or mitigate any fraud in time for the next election. The fraud will only increase until the sunlight and legitimate prosecutions stop it. Or until the R’s are the ones who win fraudulently.
I have no doubt there were the usual shenanigans. The Democrats stole as many votes as they could and may have stolen enough to turn a loss into a win. But the biggest culprit in Trump's loss was simply that he got outhustled. All the changes introduced during the COVID era had the effect of empowering get-out-the-vote efforts over citizens choosing for themselves to cast a vote.
Trump told Republicans to vote in person while the Democrats went out and got every person who wasn't determined to vote Republican to vote Democrat (or at least made sure their ballot was cast for the Democrat). That's why Trump lost and if Republicans continue fixate on the stolen election, the Democrats will steal the next one too.
I think he probably won Arizona (we have incompetence but not enough systematic deep-seated corruption here for Dems to try and steal it here).
Cmon Virgil. The person in charge of making sure Maricopa County followed the election rules, and we know for certain they did not follow the correct procedures, is the lady now sitting in the Governor's chair. Machines only "failed" in Republican districts. The ballots provided Republicans couldn't be read by the those same machines when they weren't broken. How "deep" does it really have to be to get across the cheating line? AZ = fucked up. They admitted it in Kari Lake's lawsuit depositions but there is no recourse now that we were denied hearings at the moment they were needed.
One thing to consider, as someone who follows the fulton county information, is that this county seems incompetent, and that it's hard to distinguish incompetence from fraud.
Example: NYC city in 2021 accidently counted 150,000 test ballots in the real election.
They had to run all the ballots again and remove the test ballots.
Now, just imagine Fulton County making the same mistake in say, 2020. (And they have so many places to make these mistakes, BTW)
But because if that was found to be the case, it would help Trump, hurt GA GOP, you could see everyone line up to stop this from being found out.
There are still court casing dragging on to let people examine ballots
Remember those "perfectly printed, no crease" ballots people claim to see?
I could see those being test ballots.
If NYC can make that mistake, why not Fulton County?
Note I am NOT saying it was done on purpose. Because there is so much incompetence, though, you realize how much could be done on purpose.
Gusty you are using facts. That don't work with progressives. Or Trump haters.
It is not a stretch to believe Trump won. In addition to Zuckbucks shenanigans, there is a mountain of evidence of "irregularities." Regardless of Democrat claims, judicial cowardice and media propaganda the election looks pretty fishy.
Perhaps a telling factor is the unwillingness of thoughtful people to believe 80 million people were stupid enough to vote for QuidProJoe.
It is not a stretch to believe Trump won. In addition to Zuckbucks shenanigans, there is a mountain of evidence of "irregularities." Regardless of Democrat claims, judicial cowardice and media propaganda the election looks pretty fishy.
Perhaps a telling factor is the unwillingness of thoughtful people to believe 80 million people were stupid enough to vote for QuidProJoe.
The whole trial is nonsense. Trump wasn't trying to OVERTURN an election. He was trying to get Sec of state of GA to do his job. One was which was to audit the mail-in ballots for matching signatures.
The charge is bogus. The DA is a hardcore Democrat operative who only took this to trial to destroy to Trump. Its "Lawfare".
One expected the GA legislature or Governor Kemp to stop this travesty, but they are as corrupt as The Democrats. Kemp is nevertrump, and GA leglislature is bought off. They don't care if biden is re-elected. Nor do they care if GA Republicans never win another US Senate Seat.
My family was involved in Philadelphia Democrat politics going back to the 1960’s. I can assure you that everything that happened in Milwaukee and Fulton County on election night was perfected in Philadelphia from way back then. Only the technology has changed.
I believe that Trump won the 2020 election. Does that make me a criminal?
Democrats always like to stand up and proclaim: "Voter Fraud? Voter Fraud? Why, show us the evidence ! Where are all the court cases, then ? ", etc.. That was the beauty of the crime, that the essence of the crime was the destruction of the evidence, the obliteration of the custody chain intrinsic to the integrity of each mail-in ballot. As soon as the envelopes were opened and signatures were not vetted, as soon as the lawful processing procedures of checks and balances and ballot controls were circumnavigated, the crime was complete, over in an instant - as the opened ballots were simply added to the pile, the anonymity of their provenance guaranteed.
And without video evidence of this happening, it is a crime without record. Who's going to testify as witness? We know the stories of Republican observers being run out of the room, sometimes aggressively. We know the stories of the resumption of counting, in private, in the wee hours where the spike in cumulative votes appeared. We have the film of the windows being papered over to prevent witnessing the activities inside. Of course the Democrat poll workers are staying mum. They've seen what happens to whistleblowers.
To Virgil Hilts @ 10:46.
I was a poll worker and told to ignore the fact there no witness signatures on absentee ballot envelopes as are required by law in Wisconsin. Now, I only worked 1 poll location but knew procedure since I have been a poll worker in Dane County for 10 years.
When I asked the village clerk why procedures were being changed she said the UNELECTED WI ELECTION COMMISSION said it was fine because of Covid.
How many absentee ballots were processed in Wisconsin under rules changed at the last minute by an unelected person named Megan Wolfe?
I don’t know if Trump would have won Wisconsin or not but it was WRONG, WRONG, WRONG to change the rules in the middle of the election.
I have never attempted to read, let alone understand, Finnegan's Wake but I have learned to read and understand the Washington Post and "do not appear to directly implicate Trump." means that they absolutely do not implicate the ex-president. It's just hope with no justification, kind of like me watching the current version of the Badger football team in the fourth quarter and saying " well, there's still time".
One of the channels at the gym was breathlessly reporting last night that Trump "planned to not leave" the White House.
But when the appointed hour arrived, he did leave.
So how is this even relevant to thinking human beings?
Rich’s steaming opinion aside, i.e., truth be told, Fanni cooked up a nothingburger. She done fucked up.
The Sunday before the Senate runoff, North Fulton Annex. I saw them setting up, reviewing ballots, I was rushed and almost physically attacked, while savage democrat apes bellowed for my hide. I’ve told the whole story before. After years of learning the corruption of that election, democrat goon squads stole the 2020 election.
"Whether the Scavino story about not leaving the White House will be admissible in court is likely to become a topic of debate between Trump’s lawyers and prosecutors, given that it could be deemed hearsay."
Given that it could be deemed hearsay? It's hearsay within hearsay. It's an out of court statement about an out of court statement being offered for the truth of the matter asserted. So, it is hearsay. The question is whether an exception applies.
I suppose they may be offering it for some other purpose separate from establishing the truth of the matter asserted, but, at present, I can't think of any. As well, I suppose they will argue it's an admission by a party opponent, but, again, it's not Trump's alleged statement. It's an alleged statement of an aide at a Christmas party. Anyway, it seems these charges are a joke (Again, I speak from near total ignorance of these prosecutions since I've paid almost no attention to them). My 0.02 anyway.
That’s the thing about grifting — it’s a team effort until there are consequences to be suffered. Then everyone is on their own, ignored by former compatriots who are putting as much distance between them and the resulting damage as possible.
Always rely on U2.
"The audible portions of the Fulton recordings reviewed by The Post do not appear to directly implicate Trump."
That sure does sound like disappointment, doesn't it?
Anyone want to attempt a neutral rewrite?
"Blogger Lem the artificially intelligent said...
They are hostage videos. In the year 2023, in these United States of America. Unbelievable.
11/14/23, 10:29 AM"
And EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN running against Trump is condoning it.
Looks like LLR-democratical Rich/C**** was really counting on that hilarious triple (yes, TRIPLE) hearsay to play a bigger part in this particular New Soviet Democratical hoaxed-up Show Trial.
Tsk tsk tsk
Perhaps Rich/C**** should simply return to spreading fake news lies about Elon Musk as he has done repeatedly or figuring out ways to make the New Soviet Democratical party's open alliance with islamic supremacist terrorist groups more politically palatable (a tough lift, to be sure) to normies instead?
Thoughts and prayers, as always.
Dude1394: "And EVERY SINGLE REPUBLICAN running against Trump is condoning it."
Every single republican running against Trump is not just condoning it, they are counting on it as that has been the explicit joint GOPe/democratical plan since Jan of 2021.
Surely, they can discover a black hole... whore h/t NAACP, if they try.
Every sane person thought he won.
We all went to bed in CA without a doubt.
And then we had the 'water leaks' and the last-second ballots with no provenance that were 99-1 Biden.
I will go to my grave knowing that Trump was royally screwed.
If you think elections is America are above-board, you are a moron.
The lead quote in the story: "A former attorney for Donald Trump [Jenna Ellis] has told Georgia prosecutors that a top presidential aide [Dan Scavino] said to her in December 2020 that 'the boss' did not plan to leave the White House 'under any circumstances.' "
This is not hearsay, not even double hearsay. It is hearsay of Dan Scavino's reading of Trump's mind.
I don't know what kind of courts they have in Georgia, but it is mindblowing that a prosecutor would even attempt to use Ellis as a witness to get this into evidence.
Blogger Gusty Winds said...
Trump "thought" he won the 2020 election...because he DID win the 2020 election.
Blogger Mike (MJB Wolf) said...
Gusty you are using facts. That don't work with progressives. Or Trump haters.
It's a shame. The crux of the entire matter is about...whether the 2020 Presidential election was fraudulent in targeted swing states. How stupid is it that the question now is, "Did Trump really believe the election was fraudulent in targeted swing states?"
Fucking of course he did...and still does.
Has Trump changed course or trajectory since 2020 on the subject? No. Because he's right, and Trump knows...and thinks...he's right. WE know he's right. Even the people who say he's wrong and trying to put him in prison and bankrupt him...KNOW HE'S RIGHT.
That's the multiple layer bullshit crux of the entire matter facing the Nation.
We're all dancing around the edges...
The economy and world are blowing up while America ponders.
I recall that early on, during the Florida recount between GWBush and AlGore, the Dems attempted to lock observers out of a precinct count. Republicans mobbed the room and refused to leave, and the rest is history with GWBush accurately winning the Florida vote and that election. Never forget that the NY Times exhaustively demonstrated about 2 years post-election that the ONLY way Gore could win was to selectively recount just a few south Florida precincts, which was Gore's desire until slapped down by the courts. Had the Repubs not stopped that one observer-free vote count with a Yuppie Riot, as it was called, Gore likely would have "found" enough votes to win. Gore tried to steal the election.
That said, the Georgia vote count this time around damn well better have a few dozen Repubs at each vote count site, willing to barge in on shenanigans and ensure a correct count of actual votes.
It's pretty obvious from the account that the inaudible portions directly implicated Trump, and that the audible ones indirectly implicated him. Guilty!
I want to know when Trump will be indicted for reckless driving and endangerment for that time someone SAID he insurrectionally grabbed the steering wheel of his limo from the Secreeeeeeet Service. Is there no justice in this land?
News article: "In stunning testimony delivered Tuesday at the sixth public hearing on the Capitol assault, Cassidy Hutchinson, a former aide to Trump White House chief of staff Mark Meadows, said recounted hearing about how President Trump tried to grab the steering wheel of the presidential vehicle and lunged at his head of security."
Rich thinks this account of how dangerous Trump was, by virtual of hearsay, should be added to the list of felony counts against the former president, someplace, some time, somehow.
And lastly, back in 2018, a judge issued a gag order against rode hard and put-away wet porn "actress" Stormy Daniels (through her attorney). A simple Search on PornHub would have shown the judge that attempts to gag Daniels have always failed.
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“I think he probably won Arizona (we have incompetence but not enough systematic deep-seated corruption here for Dems to try and steal it here).”
Then you weren’t watching the 2022 elections very closely, where Kathy Hobbs, as Sec of State, certified her own election as governor, the Maricopa election supervisor had a heat map on his wall showing where the Republicans were, and those were the precincts where the election machines were illegally updated after being certified (and never retested), and ended up printing one size of ballots, but tried (fairly unsuccessfully) to read them at a different size. Where the resulting long lines prevented thousands of Republicans from voting (esp after a judge refused to extend polling hours). Where a judge banned Republicans from watching drop boxes, and phone GPS tracking showed hundreds of ballot drops of bundles of ballots, by the same people, day after day. Where signature verification was done at better than one per second at at least one location. And where the signatures being verified against were not those in their voter registrations (as required by AZ law). Where there was no chain of custody of the mail in ballots from pickup to counting, and evidence that the contractor collecting the ballots had employees introducing ballots into the stream as they processed them. Etc. There were hundreds of thousands of questionable ballots counted in 2020, and more in 2022, with victory margins by the Dems as low as several hundred, and mostly less than a couple thousand.
Imagine Trump (regardless of circumstance) believing failure.
This is a really bad angle to attack Trump from.
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