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"She realized that the sounds were different than those heard during the usual rocket attacks on the kibbutz.... So [Inbar] Lieberman rushed to open the armory, distributed guns..."
"... to the 12-member security team and coordinated their decisive response amid the unfolding attack.
She placed her squad of kibbutzniks in strategic positions across the settlement and set up ambushes that caught the gunmen off guard.... Lieberman killed five terrorists by herself, while the others gunned down 20 more over four hours as they turned Nir Am into an impenetrable fortress.... '[Others] heard the shots and made contact on their own with other members of the standby unit and with Inbal — and they understood that they were told to be on standby. But Inbal made a decision not to wait and be jumped operationally....'"
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Yes. That's all I need to hear about. Fuck all the talk.
Be not afraid of any man
That parachutes from the skies
Though big he be
Or female you be
A gun shall equalize
(play on the "equalizer" poem by Anonymous)
Why the 2nd amendment is so important.
Gun and ammo up, all. The sleeper cells Biden let in, they are preparing.
Jimmy Carter's surrender of Iran to the mullahs has had some very long term negative outcomes. Having to pre-emptively prepare for an assault on civilians is one of them. Modern nations should not have to expect attacks on civilians by insane barbarians. However, successfully repelling an assault on civilians is a repudiation of Carter and the mullahs, and an affirmation of Western Civilization. Continue to support life!
That's been out there a couple of days. It's notable that there's been no mention of this young woman in the usual outlets that constantly promote Feminism, Girlbosses and Strong Women.
Life imitates art.
Red Dawn (1984) -- The USSR invades the USA and the USA fights back effectively with small arms.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0087985/
Armed resistance plainly can work.
A hero in an era when we really need heroes.
I want to believe that this is a true story. If so, it is too bad that the same result did not occur at the other kibbutzim. It also highlights the fact that gun control only helps the criminals or in this case the terrorists. If every house in the kibbutz had weapons, the slaughter of innocents would not have occurred.
This is the way.
She is a smart and decisive lady. I hope the entire story is true and, at this moment, I have no reason to believe it isn't true. It is unfortunate that there weren't more of her and her colleagues with rapid enough access to weapons of defense.
She realized that the sounds were different than those heard during the usual rocket attacks on the kibbutz ..."
Part of this horror for me is it tells us of the life led prior to the attacks. This is not the only report of a survivor comparing the sounds of the attack to other rocket attacks. I also saw various stories of people running for the shelters and then being ambushed there. The same with "safe" rooms in houses. In my life once a month a siren goes off, someone asks if it is Wednesday, and 99.9% of the time the answer is "yes". Once a month they test the tornado sirens on Wednesday and there is no other reason to expect to hear that type of siren.
The Israeli people live with terror every day but still live their lives. This attack not only called into question the intelligence community failures but also will cause its citizens to question the few things they could count on for keeping them safe.
I am old enough to remember the 6 day war as it happened and everything that has come after it - including the murder of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. Former Prime Minister Golda Meir said "Peace will come when Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." More than 50 years later, it still appears to be the case.
Excellent!
Why her kibbutz had about the same number of guns as I have.... oh, I live in Texas where everyone has a gun (or several) and if some terrorist tried that s*it there would be lots of shooting on both sides.
Forget the police or army or whatever.. you are the first responder.
Many of our schools now have armed teams (in fact Texas now requires that now of schools.)
Bad people with weapons are stopped by good people only if the good people have weapons to and the will and training to use them.
Ms Lieberman is the Judy Maccabeus for a modern Israel!
A woman in full. A woman to be admired.
"Let's Roll!" - Todd Beamer
When BLM was holding a "rally" at the Publix near my house a 90+ year old neighbor came over to borrow some Hoppes ... for his M1 bring home from Korea. Which is its own kind of terrifying for neighbors, but I like the moxie.
-XC
RoseAnne "I am old enough to remember the 6 day war as it happened and everything that has come after it - including the murder of Israeli athletes at the Munich Olympics. Former Prime Minister Golda Meir said "Peace will come when Arabs will love their children more than they hate us." More than 50 years later, it still appears to be the case."
I remember as well. And Peace is as far away now as then.
I spent 7 months in Israel 20 years ago as part of a engineering cross-pollination effort after the company I was working for bought an Israeli start-up. The lab was located roughly mid-way between Tel Aviv and Jerusalem and one day, while in the lab, we heard gunfire in the distance. Everyone stopped what they were doing and listened intently. After hearing a few more reports, one of the guys said, "It's shotguns." and everyone went back to work. I was a little freaked out and asked one of the Israeli engineers, "What does that mean?" and he said that shotgun fire is most likely a farmer shooting at birds or some other pest. The bad guys use automatic weapons which sound very different.
I have no doubt that if it had been automatic gun-fire, several of my co-workers would have rushed out toward the sounds while I headed to the basement shelter.
Girl power in action is a wonder to behold. Not to be messed with, as the baddies came to learn.
Most Israelis do military service and are well familiar with guns of all types
Yet their government doesn't trust them to have guns in their homes. And especially not outside their homes.
Good on the lady for issuing arms. But why was it necessary?
As someone else said upstream, thank God we have the 2nd amendment.
John Henry
The Swiss have compulsory military service with everyone in the reserves to about age 45.
When not on active duty they keep their military weapons and a sealed store of ammunition at home.
In addition to most homes having a military weapon, they have a high rate of personal sporting arms ownership.
(this was true 20 years ago. Not sure of current practice)
Might be a model for Israel.
John McPhee's book place de Concorde suisse is an excellent book on Swiss national self-defense. It was written in the 80s so out of date now. Still very interesting.
John Henry
A well-regulated militia.
I have an idea.
How about we shut the fuck up about her name and location, so Hamas doesn't put a price on her head and that of everyone else at that kibbutz?
Careful, folks. This is not a 2A firearm in every home situation. It's a common open armory alternative 2A situation.
Q: Why would anyone need an assault-style weapon?
A: Joe Biden’s domestic and foreign policies?
Many of our schools now have armed teams (in fact Texas now requires that now of schools.)
@Paul, it’s not as though Uvalde left anyone with a warm, fuzzy feeling about the willingness of the police to perform an armed intervention in the case of a school shooting.
How about we shut the fuck up about her name and location, so Hamas doesn't put a price on her head and that of everyone else at that kibbutz?
@Jason, +1. But it’s good to know that there are still very tough women in this world.
@Wince - II get sooooo tired of ignorant anti gun (not you) people yammering on.
have an actual no fooling assault weapon from WWII - the M1 Carbine. It fires pistol rounds at a lower rate than the glocks carried by the cops. It's maybe accurate to 100ft, like shooting a lever action Daisey BB gun. It weighs 11 lbs and if you run out of ammo from the 10 round GI magazine, you could beat someone to death with the oak stock.
I also have a Ruger 57 pistol that fires (basically) rifle ammunition similar to the round found in the dread black rifle AR15. But with a much higher cyclic rate. It weighs 2.2lbs fully loaded with 27 rounds. And a good marksman can shoot you in the face at 250ft. Not me, but someone good. And fits in the pocket of my cargo pants.
But, yeah, regulate that AR.....
-XC
It's a good story and if it's true these very brave people got very lucky.
Sorry to be Debbie Downer but while an armed civilian response can well stop a school shooter or a handful of crazed killers, these were reasonably well trained assault units with a plan, drone surveillance, automatic weapons, RPG's, mortars, grenades, mobility and a willingness to die for their perverted cause.
You might pick off a few and go down fighting but they would take your hunting rifles and Glocks and shove them up your ass before you could cry Wolverine! A fairly heavy police presence at the festival was overwhelmed and they overtook at least one IDF facility and the automated MG's at the border.
This required a military response and when the time is right the lack of such will, I hope, eventually be addressed.
A squadron of Apaches in the air would have made a Hell of a difference. Looks like they have one stationed just 30 miles away from Gaza.
Left Bank of the Charles wrote:
"A well-regulated militia."
Yeah, that is what Kibbutz Be'eri had, too, you dumb fuck.
Good story, but unsatisfying article. What's Inbal's background? Where did she learn tactics? Israel has strict firearm control, was the armory legal? Or were these twelve security personnel members of the military reserve?
And the use of "slaughtered" in the opening para is unwarranted. It implies that these armed aggressors were helpless, which is not true.
I'm totally stealing "kibbutzniks".
One wonders why every kibbutz, village and town doesn’t have a well trained militia. I had always assumed they did. Apparently the Leftist government is afraid of its people. Hopefully the people learn a valuable lesson from this.
Careful, folks. This is not a 2A firearm in every home situation. It's a common open armory alternative 2A situation.
@Indigo Red, and there are scores, if not hundreds, of Israelis who would be alive today if it had been a “2A firearm in every home situation.” I get it when an Israeli sniffs and proclaims that they “don’t want to be America.” But why not be another Switzerland? Upon completion of their mandatory military service the former soldiers are permitted to (if not encouraged to) retain their service rifle. They are also issued a sealed carton of ammo. As I understand it, there are periodic inspections, and if that seal is broken you’d better have a damned good reason. Something like that might have kept down the Israeli death toll (and raised it among Hamas terrorists).*
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* Or “gunmen,” if you’re writing for the New York Times
kwo said...
Where did she learn tactics?
Halo.
Big Mike,
And I also understand from a reliable source, that (at least at the time when I was told this) the Swiss reservist was more than welcome to buy additional ammo at their expense to practice with. The sealing and the audit was almost entirely about it being government issue ammo to be used for -- and much more importantly, reserved and available for-- genuine national security issues.
This Israeli bullshit of only being allowed to possess 50 rounds at a time -- now "generously" doubled for certain select individuals -- is completely ridiculous. Which one of the hypothetical kibbutz defenders wouldn't have shot off 50 or 100 rounds in this incident? 50 rounds is only three standard issue magazines for the most likely handgun for them to own.
You might pick off a few and go down fighting
@Rabel. I pick off a few before they get me, and the guy across the street picks off a few before they get him, and the next door neighbor gets a few, and … they’re all gone because there weren’t that many to behin with. And my wife is alive and not raped, and the wife across the street and her five pretty daughters are alive and not raped And maybe my next door neighbor lives and sees his daughters and very young son grow up.
I know my limits and I’m for sure not an action movie hero. If I’m going to die anyway I’d prefer it with a gun in my hands and one or more dead terrorists in front of me. Beats being discovered unarmed and cowering under a bed.
This Israeli bullshit of only being allowed to possess 50 rounds at a time
An afternoon practicing at the range can can burn through four or five times that much.
Badass!
I’m still contemplating “usual rocket attacks on the kibbutz.” What must life be like when you — and your children! — regard death from the skies as “usual”?
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