From "Hamas built a massive tunnel network in Gaza. Here’s how Israeli ‘weasel’ forces will fight it" (USA Today).
Human "weasels" and robots... but what about dogs? I'm remembering the killing of al-Baghdadi and Conan the military dog.
No mention of dogs in USA Today, but I'm seeing this in the London Times — "Inside the Hamas tunnel network — where the war may be decided/Using dogs, ‘sponge bombs’ and search-and-destroy teams, Israel’s ground invasion depends on clearing the underground network, which could be as long as 300 miles":
Within [the Yahalom] branch of the Israeli special forces are sub-units such as Samur (“Weasel”) commandos, trained in subterranean fighting and equipped with ground-penetrating radar and tunnel-mapping robots. A canine sub-unit, Oketz (“Sting”), comprises dog-handlers whose charges are able to sniff out entrances.
“Military dogs can detect entrances and sniff out bombs within the tunnels. Dogs can go ahead of their soldiers and attack incoming threats — by, for example, biting [fighters’] arms so they cannot shoot,” [said John Spencer, chairman of urban warfare studies at the Modern War Institute and a former infantryman]....
[T]he IDF has favoured trying to destroy rather than penetrate the tunnels using bulldozers, bunker-buster bombs or even by pouring in wet cement — a tactic used to stop Hezbollah, the Shia Muslim militia, from building tunnels along Israel’s border with Lebanon during Operation Northern Shield in 2018.
This approach is similar to the tactics adopted by other armies facing insurgent guerilla fighters hiding out in tunnels. In the 1970s, the US relied on B-52s to carpet-bomb the Cu Chi tunnels when it became clear that other attempts to flush out North Vietnamese fighters from their jungle hideouts had failed. In Ukraine, Russia bombed the Azovstal steelworks in Mariupol incessantly and waited until its last Ukrainian defenders had run out of supplies, forcing their surrender....
There are also "sponge bombs" — "a very simple innovation to seal a tunnel rapidly.... It’s not like they explode — they just expand, similar to industrial foam sprayed underneath homes to fix foundation problems. Say you pass a small manhole entrance and you want to move past it temporarily, because you never want to leave a tunnel behind you: this is one of the tools you could use."
ADDED: From "How Israel trains introverted ‘weasels’ to crack down on Hamas’s tunnels/'I have been in the tunnels, and once you go down you very quickly lose all sense of direction and all sense of time'" (National Post):Soldiers who can tolerate the claustrophobic environment inside the tunnels are recruited to become “weasels.” IDF has determined that the best candidates for the job are those who are introverted and “disconnected.”
An officer explained that it takes a soldier “who can make that psychological distance from the situation … You have to be able to distance yourself, to turn inward.” A tunnel soldier compared himself to a fighter pilot: “Really, with all the gear you have to know how to operate; it’s … more complicated than operating an aircraft.”
९९ टिप्पण्या:
Yawn: Bilal went out to harvest his olives, an Israeli settler shot him
This is all for show. They can't stop Hamas from existing anymore than they can stop the sunrise. We've just given them another license to kill.
Wet cement and sponge bombs: if you like your tunnel, you can keep your tunnel.
If Trump kills terrorists it's bad.
If lord king obama kills terrorists - the media have a collective orgasm.
Sorry, I couldn't help but think of Sponge Bomb Squarepants.
Sounds like good technology
Shades of 'Nam tunnel rats circa 1970. But then armies have been tunneling under each other for milenia. Constantinople, 100 year war, American Civil War, WWI and WWII (Iwo Jima, et al) and Vietnam as already alluded to. I'm thinking just fill the tunnels - or sections there of - with knock out gas or maybe something more lethal like gasoline vapor and light it off with a tossed satchel charge. Make the tunnels a defensive liability.
Having insulated my house with cans of expanding foam to fill in cracks, the thought of being trapped in a tunnel system with large amounts of this type of sticky material is frightening.
I read yesterday they were pumping purple smoke into tunnel entrances, watching for where it emerged and calling in air strikes on those places.
...but what about dogs?
Islam considers dogs to be unclean animals, like pigs. It would work spectacularly, but would be a PR disaster for the Israelis.
I guess the trick is to destroy or disable the tunnel without destroying or disabling the hostages that are held there.
They can't stop Hamas from existing anymore than they can stop the sunrise. We've just given them another license to kill
This doesn’t have the effect you intend…
Let's see the UN do what it's supposed to do: Provide humanitarian oversight in a place where the functional governing body is so corrupt, it's diverting government funds to build tunnels under infrastructure, instead of providing food, power, water, etc to its (human shield_ population. Take the money from their hands, UN! Or is this too much like....doing your job?
Hamas has adopted the Japanese strategy used for the defense of Iwo Jima and Okinawa. The west is smarter now than it was in 44-45. The use of these robots is just another example of fighting smarter
Completely normal to build elaborate terror tunnels. the poor poor boo hoo death cultists are colonizationized by evil zionists! Up next on NPR, PBS "news" (All Trump all the time), Maddow NBC joke-show(D), and Democracy NOW! They have the recycled footage.
meanwhile - most of the money we send to Ukraine is spent on former Comedian Zelensky's inner circle. Mansions and fancy cars.
Zelensky’s inner circle is buying up expensive real estate in Switzerland
Being chased through a tunnel by a bullet-proof, robot dog with a machine gun sounds like a nightmare. The robot dogs I've seen on Youtube are loud. They're powered by a small gas engine, so you'd hear the thing coming for you. Some robot dogs can talk now. "Hasta la vista, baby." In a Gaza tunnel, no one can hear you scream.
is this Great Escape Redux?
'Steve McQueen' paraglider Superhero!
Gaza is Stalag
is this Great Escape Redux?
'Steve McQueen' paraglider Superhero!
Gaza is Stalag
fill in bingo card for casting call for Col. Hogan, Sgt. Schultz, Col. Klink etc.
Israel is at war and unfortunately, sometimes civilians get killed. Meanwhile, closer to home, a 12-year-old boy died after being shot on Sunday evening in Chicago's Englewood neighborhood.
Directly attacking civilians is a war crime. Prosecution of such behavior and punishment of those who performed these atrocities are necessary, after the cessation of hostilities, or the practice will continue to be abused.
The taking of hostages is a war crime. Prosecution of such behavior and punishment of those who performed these atrocities are necessary, after the cessation of hostilities, or the practice will continue to be abused.
The use of hostages, and Gazan civilians, as human shields is a war crime. Prosecution of such behavior and punishment of those who performed these atrocities are necessary, after the cessation of hostilities, or the practice will continue to be abused.
If Arafat hadn't died in a French hospital and instead had been hung from a rope publicly, in Jerusalem, a lot of the past decade's jihadi activity might have been considered unacceptable by those perpetrating their atrocities.
Sure, use robots and knock out gas and any other novel ideas to attempt to secure the hostages and disable the Hamas tunnels. But prosecute the war crimes, show the world that these "martyrs" are nothing more than bloodthirsty thugs acting savagely, and punish them for their misdeeds. After their unconditional surrender, preferably.
Dogs are too unreliable for these kinds of missions. As the White House commander, German shepherd clearly showed. Bitting his humans secret servicemen as much as a dozen times.
Love dogs. But you can’t have them biting our LGBTQ-plus soldiers in the field of battle. We have enough confusion amongst our own troops figuring out who might be a woke friend of the Palestinians, blue on blue, to worry about.
Let them sniff for drugs at the southern border.
Directly attacking civilians is a war crime. Prosecution of such behavior and punishment of those who performed these atrocities are necessary, after the cessation of hostilities, or the practice will continue to be abused.
The taking of hostages is a war crime. Prosecution of such behavior and punishment of those who performed these atrocities are necessary, after the cessation of hostilities, or the practice will continue to be abused.
The use of hostages, and Gazan civilians, as human shields is a war crime. Prosecution of such behavior and punishment of those who performed these atrocities are necessary, after the cessation of hostilities, or the practice will continue to be abused.
Sure, use robots and knock out gas and any other novel ideas to attempt to secure the hostages and disable the Hamas tunnels. But prosecute the war crimes, show the world that these "martyrs" are nothing more than bloodthirsty thugs acting savagely, and punish them for their misdeeds. After their unconditional surrender, preferably.
They can't stop Hamas from existing anymore than they can stop the sunrise. We've just given them another license to kill.
Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try. It’s not as though the subhuman swine who desecrated Shani Louk’s body deserve to live to a ripe old age so that they can boast to their grandsons how they courageously spat on the seminaked body of a young woman. I hope the Israeli weasel troops pack bacon grease into their hollow point bullets, the better to send their souls to Jahannam for eternal punishment.
Grow up, Crack.
How many thousands of ill children have ben transferred to Israeil hospitals to be cured of cancer and other illnesses.
Now how many Israeli children have been transferred to Palestinian sites to be beheaded.
Right and wrong, moral and immoral may be out of fashion, but I expect more than fashion from you. You're not this dumb.
>"An Israeli army officer gives journalists a tour of a tunnel allegedly used by Palestinian militants for cross-border attacks at the Israel-Gaza border."
"A picture taken on May 6, 2016, from the Israeli side along the border between Israel and the Gaza Strip shows the exit of an alleged offensive tunnel leading into Israel."<
Captions of photos in the USA article which is all about how the Palestinians have built "a warren of connecting tunnels that Hamas has been digging and lining with concrete for more than a decade."
Alleged, of course. Well, hey could be Israeli offensive tunnels going into Gaza, couldn't they... Because, you know, how else would the Israelis get into Gaza if they wanted to?
You be you, USA TODAY.
The Crack Emcee writes:
“This is all for show. They can't stop Hamas from existing.”
I clicked on your link. So now it’s no longer “Israelis killed thousands of women and children”. It’s “look, they killed this one man.” And who knows if that’s a true story.
As for Hamas, the Israelis will stop them from existing. They have to. And the people who live in Gaza will be better for it. Right now they’re all suffering from Stockholm syndrome. As they see Hamas destroyed before their eyes, hope will slowly return to their lives.
The hostages are Hamas' attempt to deflect the tunnel rats. The tunnel entrances are in hospitals and UN offices. Robots sound like a good way to avoid the casualties Hamas is hoping for.
The tunnels in Gaza seem to be mostly interconnected, at least interconnected over a defined area. If not, they merely exist as bomb shelters and isolated defensive bunkers rather than as logistics and troop movement arteries. If the value of these tunnels is in their interconnectivity, I would expect the tactic of the IDF would be to chop them up into individual, standalone bunkers that cannot be supported by reinforcements brought in via other arteries and, thus, make them redundant as regards their original purpose. This tactic would also facilitate the rendering of those isolated sections uninhabitable by terrorists, e.g., flooding the isolated sections or using some type of thermobaric or other device to kill whatever terrorists remain or to collapse them from above. Alternatively, those sections could just be bypassed and starved out or revisited after dealing with more pressing issues in other locations within Gaza. Personally, I would also consider booby-trapping those tunnels to prevent their reuse if they could not be collapsed and permanently destroyed. IOW, this tactic would be similar to the US island hopping strategy in the Pacific during WWII and would likely result in similar tactical successes while requiring fewer assault troops and costing fewer casualties to accomplish. It would also permit a more thorough and systematic search for weapons caches and for hostages, although the hostages are secondary to Israel surviving and their deaths would be the terrorists' war crime, not the IDF's. The technical and tactical innovations mentioned in this article are helpful and could be employed to facilitate this "tunnel hopping" strategy. I suspect this is what the Israeli government has in mind when stating that this is going to be a long war - it would take time to dismantle the underground system. It would likely take less time to turn Gaza into a pile of rubble, but unlike the "Palestinian" God, the Hebrew God does not specifically authorize genocide. Regardless, the Gazans should be careful what they ask for: "from the river to the sea" is an Israeli option as well should they be pressed into exercising it.
The wild card in this game is intervention by the other players in the region, including Syria, Turkey and Iran when Hamas starts to get rolled up. If that happens, Israel would likely have to go nuclear. Pity that, but likely unavoidable given the alternative.
In the Great War, there was a whole separate little tunnel war, especially in the Vosges, and in the ACWABAWS tunneling was used at Petersburg (the Crater) and Kennesaw Mountain.
In Biblical times, sieges always included a lot of tunnel work. Even without explosives, undermining tall city and fortress walls could cause breaches.
But a whole complex of tunnels meant to be a fortress in itself, designed and constructed with modern tech, is a new thing in the world.
The IDF selects weirdos for the tunnel work. Are Hamas fighters natural tunnel rats?
It sounds like Israel is being deliberate and systematic in its pursuit of Hamas. Like painting a house, most of the work is in the preparation.
Israel should announce that unlimited food, water and medicine will be allowed to pass through the Rafah crossing. Further, any non military appearing vehicle that is traveling south towards the aid will be spared, for 48 hours. Any northbound vehicle will be destroyed.
Egypt will never allow this, and Israel will be able to tell the rest of the world to STFU, it has done way more than required for "humanitarian" purposes. Israel can then declare North Gaza a free fire zone, including/especially the "hospitals" that Hamas uses as command headquarters and munitions storage depots.
Once the 48 hour travel period is up, the IDF can pincer north Gaza by clearing a zone along Wadi Gaza by air and artillery and gradually moving north while it continues to move west into north Gaza. North Gaza will be gradually laid waste until Hamas says "No Mas." Any tunnels that connect north and south Gaza will be detected and destroyed once IDF has control of the land around Wadi Gaza.
Likely outcome? Lots of dead Gazans, but all due to the actions of Hamas, who do not allow Gazans to take advantage of Israel's forbearance. Israel creates a desert of north Gaza, and calls it peace, at least for a while
murdering mullahs
the stench is making me clench
Idiocrats suck
A post where an understanding of technology, geography and history is required to effectively participate in the discussion.
That counts out Crack.
Again.
At least these corksoakers are outing themselves now…
“The National Muslim Democratic Council, a nationwide group of Democratic leaders and activists, threatened President Joe Biden that if he does not force Israel to reach a ceasefire with Hamas, a U.S. State Department-designated foreign terrorist organization, by 5 p.m. ET on Tuesday, they will work to mobilize against him in the 2024 presidential election.”
Lem the misspeller:
Dogs are too unreliable for these kinds of missions. As the White House commander, German shepherd clearly showed. Bitting his humans secret servicemen as much as a dozen times.
You're conflating military dogs with untrained and unmanaged pets given a 'blanket pardon' because they're the POS dogs.
Military dogs have shown themselves to be highly effective units, performing admirably.
I thought about the tunnel problem years ago when the first Hamas rocket attacks on Israel. In WWII the German army had an interesting solution that was never, to my knowledge, applied to a tunnel. Very high-tech at the time, the ironically named Golaith was a tiny, battery-powered tracked vehicle that could transport a powerful explosive charge across defended terrain to destroy viaducts, bunkers, barricades, and minefields. Early versions were smaller and used a wired remote control, whereas later models were larger, gasoline-powered, and wireless. The Allies captured many of them and often used them as toys.
The Hamas tunnels will not be the problem some journalists imagine, and they will be deathtraps for Hamas. Hundreds of the enemy will be buried alive when they are collapsed, or suffocated when the ventilators are found and destroyed. The fact that Hamas has come to rely on them shows how profoundly stupid the Palestinians truly are. The worst possibility will be for the hostages that may be confined in the tunnels, but their fates are the responsibility of their captors. The only way to fight and win is to count them as already lost.
Yawn: Bilal went out to harvest his olives, an Israeli settler shot him
I'm patiently waiting for the profiles on the 200 - 300 peaceful and innocent ravers slaughtered by hamas. What license to kill did the terrorists have?
Individual members of Islam have to see a way to retain their religion without agreeing with antisemitism before there will be peace in Israel. This has been done by Christians and and by many in the Middle East. One of the factors preventing this evolution is the social structure that grants cheap status through antisemitism: "Any Moslem is better than a Jew" which functions just as racism used to do: it granted cheap status to poor whites in the South by a hierarchy in which any white was above any black. Economic prosperity based on the work of the middle class makes cheap status seem unreal within societies. This is why we can hope to see Hamas fail. But economic prosperity for a limited group based on the use of power to rip off "the masses" will be accompanied by the use of cheap status to excite and control "the masses" by sanctioned brutality. And as a matter of fact Islamic law does not allow the attacks on women and children Hamas committed so that a better society than the one mow existing in Gaza could easily see itself as returning to real Islamic principles. It's in nobody's interest to keep Hamas in power.
Yawn: Bilal went out to harvest his olives, an Israeli settler shot him
Yeah, if true, that is awful. And I would expect the settler to be prosecuted.
Meanwhile the families of the terrorists that killed anyone they saw on October 7 are eligible for a pension.
Geez Crack. You have been an interesting commenter for a long time. Now? You are becoming a clown.
Sorry, I couldn't help but think of Sponge Bomb Squarepants.
Seinfeld for me: Those tunnels are definitely sponge-worthy.
The NYT actually had a piece yesterday ("Gaza's Vital Tunnels") arguing that the tunnels, in addition to aiding the terrorist activities of Hamas, are important civilian infrastructure. And of course they put some blame on the Israelis:
Israel created further incentive for tunnel construction by tightening the blockade of Gaza after 2007. The main rationale for the blockade was to keep out weapons and related material, but Israel’s definition is so broad that the blockade also restricted the flow of basic items. In response, Gazans have used the tunnels — which extend south into Egypt — to smuggle in food, goods, people and weapons. Some people refer to the hundreds of miles of tunnels as “the metro.”
Left unsaid, of course, is that had Gazans opted to use the Israeli withdrawal to create a functioning economy rather than install Hamas in power, the blockade and the tunnels would have been unnecessary.
rehajm said...
"This doesn’t have the effect you intend…"
Everyday, I beg you guys to stop making assumptions, and, everyday, you keep saying you can read minds - through the internet.
Big Mike said...
"[Israel can't stop Hamas from existing, but that] Doesn’t mean they shouldn’t try."
BWAAAAAAAAAAAAA-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
Tina Trent said...
"Right and wrong, moral and immoral may be out of fashion, but I expect more than fashion from you. You're not this dumb."
Thank you for the vote of confidence, but - since you DO expect more than fashion from me - I wonder why you can't see things as I do: someone comes back after 2000 years and says you have to leave your house. You tell them to fuck off, but they come back with the cops, who also say you have to leave. Now, as this progresses and escalates in blood to the present, at what point in the story do you expect me to abandon you or your claim to your home?
Eva Marie said...
"Who knows if that’s a true story."
I haven't presented one piece of evidence that you guys having paranoidly dissed in some way. Meanwhile, none of you provide information of any kind with your rants about how sorry everything else is. It's amazing you guys think you're credible to anyone other than yourselves.
"As for Hamas, the Israelis will stop them from existing. They have to."
I posted a link here, within the last couple of days, showing our military excursions since 9/11 - and they all suck. We are now nursing a long-standing losing streak, without changing anything. I don't know if you've ever been in a fight, or served in the military, but I've done both and losing without change is NOT a good sign. What everybody has to do is wise-up, but we seem to be very resistant to that.
West TX Intermediate Crude said...
"Likely outcome? Lots of dead Gazans, but all due to the actions of Hamas, who do not allow Gazans to take advantage of Israel's forbearance. Israel creates a desert of north Gaza, and calls it peace, at least for a while"
And all because the Palestinians held an election that they didn't want, that was forced on them by the United States and Israel, that resulted in Hamas winning.
The level of misery the world is willing to drop on those poor people is equal only to the crucifixion of Jesus.
I vote for the robots to carry foo gas down the tunnels and have the robot light a match after dumping a few 100 gallons of it...
I don't know whether it is particularly smart to fight from tunnels. Seems stupid to me- far too easy to simply get trapped underground with no hope of digging yourself out.
JAORE said...
"Geez Crack. You have been an interesting commenter for a long time. Now? You are becoming a clown."
Meanwhile, Glenn Greenwald is making a new career for himself tracking this censorship - now from you hypocritical conservatives - that you guys seem so hot on perpetuating. You get to call everybody an antisemite, or some other name for a while, no matter what our political standing. I got Tina Trent expecting more from me, and you say I've always been an interesting commenter, but - for some reason - neither of you will entertain the notion that maybe (ooops) you're wrong about this. I'm the only person on this blog challenging his own beliefs. All the rest of you are acting as puppets and parrots for something. I looked at the subject fresh and found a different answer than I was looking for. There's nothing I can do about that. Right is right.
I'm still waiting for one of you to explain how a Jew in Brooklyn, who's never left New York, has more of a right to live in Palestine than the Palestinians who've lived there for centuries. If you can't, you really oughtta check yourself before you wreck yourself. Remember: I say atrocities happen because people believe absurd things. If you can't explain how people can come back and claim someone else's land, after 2000 years, then you believe an absurd thing. And that's what's leading to all this violence. NOT Hamas.
Geez Crack. You have been an interesting commenter for a long time. Now? You are becoming a clown.
No he wasn’t, and he’s not “becoming” a clown. He’s never been anything other than a grifter trying to play off white guilt. Works with some people, but not with everybody. Lately he’s discovered that Jews, as reliable a source for white guilt as have ever existed, don’t much like the idea of being murdered just because they’re Jewish. And young women raped, tortured, murdered, and their broken bodies carted around on the back of a pickup truck. And babies killed for being born to Jewish mothers. He’s having a hard time dealing with the pushback.
Just laugh at him. He deserves no better.
Who gave Hamas their license to kill?
wildswan @ 10:31: very perceptive comment IMHO. But it can't be true that it is "in nobody's interest to keep Hamas in power." It is very much in HAMAS' interest that it remain in power! And IMHO it is also in the interest of Iran and other players.
But let's assume Hamas is, and remains, utterly friendless and isolated. Therefore it has nowhere to go and nothing left to lose by fighting to the death everywhere and always. A slow and ugly end, coming at a very high price for Israel, Gaza and the world. And, horrible conjecture, allowing false histories of collective martyrdom to spring up like toxic weeds, inspiring imitators.
Dog is a pretty good movie about a combat dog who is suffering PTSD.
It's kind of like the Rambo of dog movies.
I'm more of a Lady and the Tramp kind of guy, but it's still a nice dog movie. Solid B or B-.
Pig is the best pig movie
(except for Snatch, of course!)
Can they send in Robert Reich?
Tae,
https://halaladviser.com/is-dancing-haram-or-halal/
"Dancing’s connection to music—generally forbidden in Islam—is another factor that leads many Islamic scholars to view it as haram. The majority of dances require music to be performed, and our Prophet Muhammad (peace be upon him) forbade the use of all musical instruments other than the fiddle. Dancing is therefore considered to be against this rule.
Dancing may also be considered as a diversion from Islamic beliefs and values. When someone is dancing, their attention is frequently on themselves and the music rather than on Allah or God.
This may further alienate a person from their faith and cause them to turn away from Islam’s teachings. As a result, some believe that dancing has the ability to cause someone to lose their religion.
Islam has another issue with dancing since it might cause those who are not mahrams to mix with people of the opposite sex, which is against the law. Since dancing frequently entails seeking the favor and pleasure of others in addition to Allah, some people believe that it lowers a person from the dignity that Allah has given to them.
In Muslim gatherings when both sexes are seated together, men and women are not allowed to dance in front of one another. Although some people might think it’s normal for guys to dance in front of ladies, it’s really against the law. This is due to the fact that it may result in improper behavior and relationships between the sexes, which is against Islamic beliefs.
Given that it might result in improper situations and interactions among women, dancing is viewed by many Islamic scholars as sinful conduct by women. This is especially true for guys, as such dancing might be viewed as a sort of gender-imitating behavior that is against Islamic beliefs."
The Crack Emcee writes:
“This is all for show. They can't stop Hamas from existing.”
You know what I've noticed? There are hardly any SS members around anymore. It's like nobody wants to join up anymore.
You're right. They can't. But they can make it very painful to be one. People avoid pain.
“If you can't, you really oughtta check yourself before you wreck yourself.”
If the clown nose fit, you must wear it.
"Geez Crack. You have been an interesting commenter for a long time. Now? You are becoming a clown."
When the narrative being pushed becomes reptitive and tedious I just quit reading. Thewy're not intersted in debate.
John Connor and the resistance used dogs to warn them about Terminators.
Trump Promises VENGEANCE Against Hamas
That's the biggest confirmation WWIII is right around the corner yet,...
Big Mike said...
"Lately he’s discovered that Jews, as reliable a source for white guilt as have ever existed, don’t much like the idea of being murdered just because they’re Jewish."
Yeah, it should be pretty obvious to everybody how difficult that concept is to understand. Especially by me:
Don't Blame Me: We Rappers Love Our Jewish Lawyers
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All That Hard Work For Nothing
Your Moral Leader
L'shanah Tovah!
Mark Twain said "Whenever you find yourself on the side of the majority, it is time to pause and reflect."
Y'all find reflection impossible.
Crack, we understand why you would "challenge your own beliefs" - most likely for the same reason we do. Tt starts with your endless stream of bullshit and intellectual dishonesty and continues downhill from there. Obviously, you're more familiar with the origins of your personality disorder than us, but we have one significant advantage: we don't care. You would likely be more persuasive were you to ply your nonsense in another forum. You're wasting your time preaching to folks who are all too familiar with your vacuous ramblings.
I'm still waiting for one of you to explain how a Jew in Brooklyn, who's never left New York, has more of a right to live in Palestine than the Palestinians who've lived there for centuries.
Because in 1948 the Palestinians waged a war of extermination against the Jews of Israel. And they got their butts kicked. It belongs to the Jews because they won a war that they didn’t even start. Unfortunately the Israelis chose not to exterminate the Palestinians, though the Palestinians would have exterminated them. Could’ve saved a lot of Jewish lives over the next 3/4 of a century if they had.
“I’m 100% Afraid Of Jews!” Says Actor Seth Rogen
Rusty said...
"You know what I've noticed? There are hardly any SS members around anymore. It's like nobody wants to join up anymore.
You're right. They can't. But they can make it very painful to be one. People avoid pain."
You guys talk about things you don't know anything about. I lived in Alsace, remember? The German's mystical part of France? The Nazis are still there. I've met several. There's enough that they still have rallies and they chant their fucking bullshit into the night. I told you our de-Nazification efforts were bullshit. Well, nobody has to "join up" when it never ended.
aydub said...
"Crack, we understand why you would "challenge your own beliefs" - most likely for the same reason we do."
If this is y'all challenging your own beliefs, you'll make some good little Nazis, yourselves, once you relax your standards a little.
I'm still waiting for one of you to explain how a Jew in Brooklyn, who's never left New York, has more of a right to live in Palestine than the Palestinians who've lived there for centuries.
Clear answers to simple queries, like that one, would solve all of our disagreements, you know. Not answering, and continuing to call names, issue threats, and other bullshit, only determines which of us are the assholes.
That's pretty much how this Palestine problem works, too.
Big Mike said...
"Because in 1948 the Palestinians waged a war of extermination against the Jews of Israel."
Prove it. You have the Internet at your disposal. Don't expect me just to take your word for it. Since this began you know I've provided quotes from the first Jewish leaders, saying they have to get the Palestinians out of there, and evidence that the Zionists were bombing the Palestinians as early as 1946. Show me evidence of an unprovoked war of extermination in 1948.
'I'm still waiting for one of you to explain how a Jew in Brooklyn, who's never left New York, has more of a right to live in Palestine than the Palestinians who've lived there for centuries.'
There are no rights. You live and then you die.
Israel holds the land because they can.
If the Arabs can take it, then it belongs to them.
This has been true for the past 40,000 years.
What makes you think it's any different today?
Wishing something doesn't make it so...
Blogger walter said...
about dancing and Islam etc.
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I did not know Islam is also Southern? Baptist!! offshoot or the reverse?
No Jew wants to live in Palestine since it is a mythical land that doesn't exist. But plenty do emigrate to Israel, their historic homeland. People who dispute this are denying the reality in front of their eyes. Why do you think you have the right to tell other people in other lands how to live? Now you're the ugly American.
But a whole complex of tunnels meant to be a fortress in itself, designed and constructed with modern tech, is a new thing in the world.
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so can Hamas claim patent infringment by Elon Musk Boring Company?
is Elon = Hamas wrt Los Angeles?
I'm still waiting for one of you to explain how a Jew in Brooklyn, who's never left New York, has more of a right to live in Palestine than the Palestinians who've lived there for centuries.
Something like 3 million Palestinians live in Palestine now. Israel is 20% Arab. Sovereign nations (except the US when Democrats are in the White House) get to set their own rules for immigration. The Palestinians have been offered their own state at least three times, including in 1948 when the partition plan would have given them much more territory than they have now. They've rejected the offers every time in favor of hoping to exterminate the Jews living there. They (along with 5 Arab countries) launched a war against Israel and lost.
This has been explained to you many times, and you still ask the same question. That's known as trolling.
Crack thinks "Palestinians have lived there for centuries"
History says otherwise:
Israel was not created on Arab land. It was created the same way Lebanon, Jordan, Iraq and Syria were created: out of the ruins of the Ottoman Empire. The Turks are not Arabs let alone “Palestinians” – a national identity which did not exist at the time of Israel’s creation. The language, religion, culture of the Arabs around the Jordan River is identical to that of the other Arabs in the Middle East. The land on which Israel and nations like Jordan were created was controlled by the Turks for four hundred years before the creation of the Jewish state. There was no movement for a nation called Palestine in all that time.
Jordan has a population seventy percent of whom identify as “Palestinians.” They are ruled by a Hashemite minority. There is no Palestinian campaign to free Jordan from its occupation by Hashemites. Nor was there any ‘Palestinian’ campaign to free the West Bank when Jordan controlled it or Gaza when it was under Egyptian rule. The Palestinian movement is a Nazi campaign to destroy the Jewish state and eliminate its Jews. This is the mentality behind the beheading of Jewish babies and the brutal murders of entire defenseless Jewish families.
The actual invention of the Palestine identity for the campaign against the Jews did not take place until 1964 in the West Bank and 1967 in Gaza – 16 and 19 years after the creation of the Jewish state. The newly invented nationality was the brainchild of the KGB and the Egyptian dictator Nasser whose armies spear-headed the 1948 war to destroy Israel at its birth.
https://www.frontpagemag.com/genocide/
Crack: Where is this Palestine that you speak of as I don’t see a country by that name on any modern map? No one has been alive for centuries, the Jew in Brooklyn, the Palestinian in Jordon or anyone anywhere else. So why are you worried about a person who has never left Brooklyn moving to a country that doesn’t exist? If you are referring to the right of Israel or any other country to determine who has a right to legally enter or remain in their territory it’s called “the law.”
Enlighten-NewJersey: "Crack: Where is this Palestine that you speak of as I don’t see a country by that name on any modern map?"
Crack is so invincibly historically ignorant, he literally believes there were no Jews in the Middle East for thousands of years and they just popped up in 1948.
He literally believes that...and he's made it clear that is a belief driven 100% by his racial framework of "whitey Jew bad" and "brown Arab good".
Is there anyone that can connect with Crack in real life? Make sure he is okay. Check in.
As we speak, the Egyptians are making it very clear they will fight tooth and nail to keep the despised "Palestinians" out of Egypt.
Which makes perfect sense since (Crack, you can stop reading at this point since you will just become even more confused than you already are) El-Sisi had to step in and remove the obama-supported Muslim Brotherhood thug Morsi who launched a campaign of actual genocide against the few remaining Christians in Egypt as well as attempting to turn Egypt into another Iran (another outcome obama/biden desperately wanted).
And, of course, Hamas is an offshoot of the Muslim Brotherhood so it all becomes a bit clearer now, doesn't it?
And as for ANY possibility of the Jordanian Hashemites stepping up, you can forgetaboutit. The Jordanians will not allow their gifted British-created kingdom to morph into another Lebanon.
Annie C.: "Is there anyone that can connect with Crack in real life? Make sure he is okay. Check in."
Impossible. Too dangerous. According to Crack, he basically lives in the equivalent of Sarajevo 1992.
The bodies are piled up like cordwood....
Blogger Narayanan said...
Blogger walter said...
about dancing and Islam etc.
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I did not know Islam is also Southern? Baptist!! offshoot or the reverse?
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They tend to have a different punishment structure within their tribe.
And the Southern Baptists not likely to kill partying heathens down the road.
"Impossible. Too dangerous. According to Crack, he basically lives in the equivalent of Sarajevo 1992."
San Francisco has gotten pretty bad lately, but even the Tenderloin is OK most of the time if you're not an idiot.
I'm sure Crack is fine...
He'll be calmer after Tuesday night Hot Yoga.
I seem to recall that Harry Bosch was a former tunnel rat. At least in the books he was.
All the labor and money expended in creating a 300 mile network of tunnels could have built roads, hospitals, or food distribution centers that would have benefited Gazans.
Joe Smith,
San Francisco has gotten pretty bad lately, but even the Tenderloin is OK most of the time if you're not an idiot.
I would differ from that. Granted, I haven't been in SF for more than a decade, but it surely hasn't improved since then. The last time I walked up Turk St. from Market to Van Ness, I wouldn't call what I saw "OK," any of the time. You wanna talk about open-air prisons . . .
A lot of Islamic music has a good beat--you can whirl to it.
walter (625) that's just mean.
Responding to Crack at 2_06:
The Azzam Pasha quotation was part of a statement made by Abdul Rahman Hassan Azzam, the Secretary-General of the Arab League from 1945 to 1952, in which he declared in 1947 that, were a war to take place with the proposed establishment of a Jewish state, it would lead to "a war of extermination and momentous massacre which will be spoken of like the Mongolian massacre and the Crusades."
Took about 10 minutes in Wikipedia. You aren't worth more of my time than that so anything else you want you can stop being lazy long enough to look it up for yourself.
'All the labor and money expended in creating a 300 mile network of tunnels could have built roads, hospitals, or food distribution centers that would have benefited Gazans.'
Not to even mention the at least $1B Arafat absconded with : )
“They can't stop Hamas from existing anymore than they can stop the sunrise.
They’re better off trying that than pretending that they should just try to do a better job of living with those tyrannical sociopathic jihadis.
If Professor Minister Louis Farra-Crack really thinks this war has improved Palestinian or Iranian morale then they must have even less self-esteem than he does.
He literally believes that...and he's made it clear that is a belief driven 100% by his racial framework of "whitey Jew bad" and "brown Arab good".
Professor Minister Louis Farra-Crack actually endorses expelling either all Israelis or at least the Jewish Israelis from their country. Presumably this would also include 164,000 Israeli Jews of Ethiopian descent. Racist? What can be said… victimology is a strong drug. If it requires an anti-POC on POC assault that’s just because Palestinians have decided that they have to be the ultimate victims in everything and even more POC than safely repatriated Ethiopians! And presumably Farra-Crack agrees!
Clearly he’s really thought this through. All feelings, though.
"All the labor and money expended in creating a 300 mile network of tunnels could have built roads, hospitals, or food distribution centers that would have benefited Gazans."
Joe Smith: "Not to even mention the at least $1B Arafat absconded with : )"
ALL the Hamas leaders living in Qatar are billionaires
Modern warfare is governed by the maxim, "If it can be seen, it can be hit. If it can be hit, it can be killed."
You don't make tunnels to fight in. You use them to hide and move unobserved. If enemy ground forces find your tunnels, you gtfo. Otherwise, you are providing your own grave.
>>>They can't stop Hamas from existing anymore than they can stop the sunrise.
Existence is a low bar. What's the point if you've lost the capability to rape, burn, behead, and shoot Jews in their homes and at a music festival? Quality of life has to count for something.
I looked and looked and looked at everyone of these posts, and not one of you have provided anything more than your mouth as evidence. Even big Mike quoted Wikipedia - without a link - just his word that's what it says. Good ol' reliable, trustworthy Wikipedia.
How stupid are you people?
I'm serious: Look at my posts. Check out all the links in them. And then look at your posts - and the absence of any links of any kind to anything. You guys are just talking. And you're talking one-sided nonsense. And thinking that's enough.
That's where your whole argument goes south.
Blogger The Crack Emcee said...
I'm serious: Look at my posts
Good lord Crack, how can we avoid your posts? Don't you ever get sick of talking about yourself? Everyone else is sick of you.
Old and slow said...
"Good lord Crack, how can we avoid your posts?"
Another post without a fucking link in it. Don't you get sick of thinking your opinion is all that I'm gonna fucking accept?
Blogger Old and slow said...
"Good lord Crack, how can we avoid your posts? Don't you ever get sick of talking about yourself? Everyone else is sick of you."
The café, with the table full of old white guys drinking coffee, now has a black guy to tell them they're full of shit and, boy, do they hate it.
Even big Mike quoted Wikipedia …
And you’re so lazy and stupid you can’t even Google “Azzam Pasha quote.”
Crack Emcee: "How stupid are you people?"
You are the utter dumbf*** that literally claimed white people invented lying, slavery and murder.
Sorry chump, not taking any guidance from you or your 7th century death cult heroes.
'I would differ from that. Granted, I haven't been in SF for more than a decade, but it surely hasn't improved since then. The last time I walked up Turk St. from Market to Van Ness, I wouldn't call what I saw "OK," any of the time. You wanna talk about open-air prisons . . .'
I'm in the city all the time. It has gotten worse, yes.
But SF still has a relatively low violent crime rate.
Property crime is off the charts, but you are unlikely to get mugged or knifed unless you do something really stupid. Just act like you've been there before (I have)...
"ALL the Hamas leaders living in Qatar are billionaires"
And if Zelensky and his generals/apparatchiks aren't then they are dumber than they look.
We are spraying unaccountable money all over that country and will for the foreseeable future.
People there are getting really fucking rich.
Michael K said...
"The hostages are Hamas' attempt to deflect the tunnel rats. The tunnel entrances are in hospitals and UN offices."
And probably the AP News offices, too.
The café, with the table full of old white guys drinking coffee, now has a black guy to tell them they're full of shit and, boy, do they hate it.
Good grief. Do you have any hope at all of talking intelligently about any of this or does it always just come down to racialiizing it? And are any of your links to rational or factual content, or are they all just a bunch of mouthing off the same way you do and accuse everyone else of doing?
And since you never answered it the first time, what about Israel’s 164,000 Ethiopian Jews? Do they have to all be expelled and uprooted in order to help the poor oppressed Palestinians feel better about themselves, too? Is that also a part of “the struggle?” Is that how you export your woke justice program halfway around the world from sunny California, based on what you apparently learned from gangs in LA?
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