Dame Edna emerged when the young Mr. Humphries, under the sway of Dadaism, was performing with a repertory company based at the University of Melbourne.... On long bus tours, he entertained his colleagues with the character of Mrs. Norm Everage — born Edna May Beazley in Wagga Wagga, Australia, sometime in the 1930s — an ordinary housewife who had found sudden acclaim after winning a nationwide competition, the Lovely Mother Quest.
Unthinkable as it seems, Edna was dowdy then, given to mousy brown hair and pillbox hats. But she was already in full command of the arsenal of bourgeois bigotries that would be a hallmark of her later self...
I loved Dame Edna. (Click my "Dame Edna" tag.) But not everyone appreciated this sort of humor:
In February 2003, writing an advice column as Dame Edna in Vanity Fair, he replied to a reader’s query about whether to learn Spanish. “Who speaks it that you are really desperate to talk to?” Dame Edna’s characteristically caustic response read. “The help? Your leaf blower? Study French or German, where there are at least a few books worth reading, or, if you’re American, try English.”
A public furor ensued, led by the Mexican-born actress Salma Hayek, who appeared on the magazine’s cover that month. Vanity Fair discontinued Dame Edna’s column not long afterward.
In an interview with The Times in 2004, Mr. Humphries was unrepentant. “The people I offended were minorities with no sense of humor, I fear,” he said. “When you have to explain the nature of satire to somebody, you’re fighting a losing battle.”
Mr. Humphries drew further ire after a 2016 interview with the British newspaper The Telegraph in which he denounced political correctness as a “new puritanism.” In the same interview, he described people who transition from male to female as “mutilated” men, and Caitlyn Jenner in particular as “a publicity-seeking ratbag.”
Here's that Telegraph piece from 7 years ago:
[Germaine] Greer attracted fury after claiming that “trans” women such as Caitlyn Jenner (formerly the Olympic athlete Bruce Jenner) are men “who believe that they are women and have themselves castrated”, with students at Cardiff University describing Greer as “transphobic” and someone who should make all right-minded people feel “sick to [their] stomachs”.Humphries is supportive of Greer in the controversy. “I agree with Germaine! You’re a mutilated man, that’s all,” he says. “Self-mutilation, what’s all this carry on? Caitlyn Jenner – what a publicity-seeking ratbag. It’s all given the stamp – not of respectability, but authenticity or something. If you criticise anything you’re racist or sexist or homophobic.”
Some video:
During Dame Edna’s theatrical performances she would inform middle-aged women in the audience that they had no fashion sense and smelt like a week-old cleaning rag. “Tell me the story of that frock,” she would order a victim. “It’s obviously an old favourite. You were wise to remove the curtain rings.”...
One Australian critic said that the character was so successful because she was “a perfect parody of a modern, vainglorious celebrity with a rampant ego and a strong aversion to the audience, whom celebrities pretend to love but actually, as Edna so boldly makes transparent, loathe for their cheap shoes and suburban values”.
Dame Edna and Humphries’s boorish Sir Les Patterson, “the cultural attaché to the Court of St James’s”, who had a blotchy face, oversized dentures and rumpled, ill-fitting clothes were among the most famous theatrical Australian characters....
Audiences throughout the English-speaking world knew to avoid the front rows of his solo performances, unless they wished to risk being the recipients of Dame Edna’s sarcastic comments or Sir Les’s spittle, as he recounted his erotic adventures involving his all-too obvious “trouser snake”. Karen, his lesbian daughter, was dismissed as a “sausage dodger”.....
Humphries never lost his passion for Dadaism: “I still consider myself to be a Dadaist and always put it down as my occupation on immigration forms — no one ever queries it.”
In his seventies Humphries wrote his own obituary under the name of “Bronwyn Praxilities”, in which he described himself as “a self-indigent and inaudible has-been who lacked any sense of Progressive Social Relevance”....
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That was then. This is now. Standards change, then we get to dehumanize, mock, and vilify those who lived under the prior standards. Welcome to the 21st century.
I didn't think this was what it was going to be about, but there you are. Dame Edna was murder on toast funny. Too spicy for these times. RIP.
Thurber loved his difficult bitchy women.
Dame Edna was a *character* and we all knew that. It was ok to criticize Dame Edna, and it was ok to criticize Barry Humphries. Can
But there there is a lot of political/social pressure not to criticize Dylan Mulvaney (from Megan McArdle! Perhaps from Althouse) and it is not really acceptable to call Dylan a character. We call Dylan "She" and celebrate his girlhood. Is it even acceptable to call Dylan "he" if this is a bit? Or she?
"who lacked any sense of Progressive Social Relevance”...."
But of course, much of her popularity came from the fact that she was part of a long line of intellectuals and performers dumping on middle-class life--a set that has a substantial overlap with Progressives.
Very funny. The 'Vanity Fair' bit is hilarious.
People don't have a sense of humor anymore.
The left has killed comedy...
I always thought of Dame Edna Everage as a full frontal assault on Dame Barbara Cartland, and nobody deserved it more. (Well, at least Fabio made a living out of it.)
Comedy gold. Love Dame Edna. Great timing...
back when it was OK to laugh at a man dressed up as a woman... and not needed to hide the children from sexual assault from the modern woke left mafia.
"born Edna May Beazley in Wagga Wagga, Australia,"
Pronounced 'Wogga'. The second 'Wagga' is silent (or is it the first?).
Yah, Dame Edna was amusing in the Love Boat/Mike Douglas Show kind of way. That wearing the drapes joke- Carol Burnett did it better, wearing the drapes and the curtain rod like shoulder pads, tassel for a hat. My dear, that gown is gorgeous! Thank you, I saw it in the window and couldn’t resist…
…a close friend trained Selma when she lived on the North Shore while filming a movie. He would attest she is not worth talking to…nice boobs, though…
Buwaya once made a comment here that the US was unique in the openly expressed hatred of the proletarian classes in its popular culture. Usually in history the elites just ignore these people and leave them alone, but maybe it's the old bit about strivers feeling an imperative to create distance with the demographics from which they emerged. What's easier than mocking the people who raised you, you know them intimately, the only hard part is working up the will to sell them out for money, but the money, and insider status among the better classes is incentive enough, I guess.
Dave Chapelle has a couple of pretty good bits on this, though it is kind of hidden by his camouflaging it as Trump bashing, when it really isn't.
diversitism
Humphries never lost his passion for Dadaism: “I still consider myself to be a Dadaist and always put it down as my occupation on immigration forms — no one ever queries it.”
So, if a women pretends to be a male character is that Mamaism?
A neighbor of mine is an Australian expat whose first name is Les. He becomes livid whenever anyone mentions Sir Les Patterson, as if Humphries was doing a minstrel act in Aussie-face.
We laughed with Dame Edna. We laugh at Dylan.
Now ask yourself; would he have had the same freedom to insult the women in his audience if he weren't appearing as a woman? If he was dressed as a man onstage, that kind of bitchy act would have played very differently.
Great stuff. Long live mockery and derision!
Oh I loved Dame Edna too. Such a rich character.
The high water mark of transgender art, humor and culture. Transcendent comedy.
It was a kind of minstrel show, wasn't it.
I watched a few old Dame Edna videos, and she is a character brilliantly done. It's a rare comedian that can so convincingly immerse themselves. But the character is made up, out of whole cloth, and very well-done as a showpiece. Mulvaney is just a shallow, creepy shadow by comparison, with none of the redeeming humor, none of the quick sarcastic wit, none of the talent that Humphries had - and it shows. Mulvaney depends on the media system that keeps thrusting him to the forefront and putting him in our face, in the advertising and news cycles. There is nothing that he brings to the transaction, no additional value, no entertainment, no commentary, no deeper purpose than to simply watch Mulvaney. He won't last long.
I view politics with cruel neutrality, which is my minstrel act in Althouse-face.
I recall seeing the “Dame Edna” routine on TV a couple times decades ago. Bless my little Normal, Deplorable, heart, I don’t recall thinking of his schtick as particularly funny at the time.
There is, of course, a huge difference between an actor like Barry Humphries or RuPaul or Patrick Swayze (in “To Wong Foo, Thanks for Everything! Julie Newmar”), actors who acknowledge that they are biological males but who are playing roles that require them to dress — exaggeratedly — as females, as compared to Dylan Mulvaney, a biological male with testes pumping out testosterone and who can pee standing up, but who claims to identify as a female eight or ten years younger than his actual biological age.
Dame Edna was a gay man in a dress. All the banter and insults are how gay men talk about women. 2/3 of the gay men I knew growing up spoke about women like that and the rest didn’t acknowledge their existence. If you are a fag hag or the mother of an overly attached gay son who you think loves you more than your other kids know Humphries schtick is tame in regards to how your loved one talks about you amongst his gay friends.
The most catty, nasty, vain, resentful and manipulative people I’ve known have all been gay men. Gay men incorporate the very worst qualities of women and the very worst qualities of men. As a woman nasty women still get under my skin more than gay men, but that’s just because gay men have zero influence or power in my personal life. Unfortunately they are being given more and more power in public and political life. This will not end well.
'So, if a women pretends to be a male character is that Mamaism?'
It's a mannerism...
I'm just going to reiterate what some people on this thread have already stated.
It's ok to mock the bourgeoisie, after all their values and concerns are simply bigotries. But of course, the bourgeoisie cannot be allowed to mock their betters. That would be unkind.
There's nothing like the whistle and thwack of a gladdie.
Barry Humphries was at his best on talk shows, and from what I gather from all the "Dame Edna" clips viewable online, he must have insisted on being in the center of a triad featuring the show host on one hand and one another guest (or a second banana) on the other so that Edna could hurl live grenades (aka barbed questions and venomous compliments) at both celebrities alternately. Watching Humphries work was like watching a Hollywood swashbuckler battling the King's guards Errol Flynn-style -- first one, then another, then three at once, then a battalion -- running them through until finally our hero is forced to escape by way of a graceful swan dive from the highest parapet into the moat far below.
I think the first time I saw a Dame Edna performance was on the Tonight Show during its heyday with Johnny Carson and Ed McMahon. Carson was wearing one of those miserable pastel-colored sports jackets that everyone with a modicum of good taste will swear on a stack of Bibles they never owned. Dame Enda praised Carson's fashion sense in her own inimitable coutume, in other words, like a grappling hook thrown at your head. Then "she" turned to McMahon and said something like, Oh, Ed (Are we long-lost siblings, do you think?) I so admire your wonderful work with that wonderful magazine company that awards all those wonderfully deserving people with those wonderful cash awards. It's so refreshingly honest. To which McMahon the let fly with one of his signature booming guffaws, though one could not but help perceiving his telepathic complaint, There goes my real career down the shiter.
Notice how a performer in drag was:
1) Funny when geared towards adults.
2) Funny when attacking politicians, celebrities, liberal elites.
3) Making slight innuendos (again to adults).
Notice how a performer in drag was not:
1) Appearing with minors
2) Twerking in front of minors
3) Forcing minors to twerk with them.
4) Molesting minors
5) Getting the teacher unions and leftists to force schools and libraries to help procure minors.
6) threaten to shoot people who advocated against against or criticized their attempts to procure minors.
7) shoot high school kids because they were angry about all of the above.
Funny how this all works out when reality reigns and not leftist rage/insanity dumps.
Castrated males are called eunuchs regardless of what sex they identify as.
Notice how all the correct thinking American progressives have fallen back to the eugenics of the 20th century prior to WWII. Sterilization of the mentaly ill and undesirables. How all the progessives were dry humping Hitler's eugenics programs and showering him with awards and cash grants.
Let's all get on the Biden Tranny Train.
Edna was funny and in the drag tradition. I don't remember any preformances to third graders.
“The people I offended were minorities with no sense of humor..."
Awful
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Funny
Says some MexicanJewCatholic
Tim,
I miss Buwaya. He had interesting insights on the US.
I had not thought of him for a long time.
wish he would show up now - i wonder what he would this of all this?
"Dame Edna was a gay man in a dress."
That'll come as a shock to his numerous wives. The man had an eye for attractive blondes.
His biographies are a good snapshot of growing up in post-war Melbourne to a rigidly myopic, stay-at-home mother and professional father in a middle-class family. In fact, it appears to me that plain un-damed Edna, was initially modelled on his mother.
Of course it wasn't just Dame Edna and Sir Les, there was a whole menagerie of characters, each with their own voice. Aside from Edna, they were all male.
His "Back with a Vengeance" show is still the funniest thing I've seen.
It used to be fun nee.
Hunter Biden's tpfH, thanks for the Jim Carrey link. I laughed so hard at his first exercise move. I belong to the generation that tried to follow along with the Jane Fonda workout videos and because I'm directionally challenged (right foot? left foot? help, I'm lost already), I cracked up at his athletic backward flop to the floor.
Lee Goldberg, one of my favorite mystery authors, co-wrote a script with Barry that could have launched a Dame Edna movie series. It didn't happen, but he found the man delightful, if peculiar.
"'Dame Edna was a gay man in a dress.'
"That'll come as a shock to his numerous wives. The man had an eye for attractive blondes."
The comment was made as a description of the Dame Edna character, not as a statement of Barry Humphries' sexuality.
I said this before, but I wish we could hear Dame Edna on the subject 0f Dylan Mulvaney. Then we would see some real cruelty--neutral, perhaps, but to the point. Sir Les Patterson (Australian Cultural Attache) would have had a few vulgar but apt observations.
Dame was a dude in drag- for moola and laughs. From the clip I heard ridicule of Norm’s needle(dick).
The reaction of the men he was talking to was the icing on the cake.
Edna always knew who she was.
Very refreshing.
Rest In Peace.
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