Speaking as a Jew, I maybe felt like black people do when white people use the N-word. There was absolutely nothing Chappelle said that wasn't completely true, and nothing that I wouldn't say myself. There was nothing antisemitic about it. But I felt uncomfortable hearing him say it. But, that's his job. I can't cheer when he does it to groups I don't like, and complain when he does it to me. Well done.
I sincerly doubt Chappelle did a "fake monologue". Sounds like CYA by NBC execs. usually, you don't "fake it" since the technical people have to know how long the monologue will be, and where to place cameras, etc.
So they were spying on him to know what he was going to say, and if he didn’t at least pretend to say what they wanted to hear, they would have censored him. But he’s evil and tricked them, so they are not responsible for anything he said in his monologue. Believe it. Please.
So he wrote two monologues, the real one and a decoy?
Not unusual. Politicians often have variations between the "prepared remarks" and their speeches "as delivered". Often, it's significant variation.
And the decoy had to be sufficiently funny AND politically correct for the powers-that-be at NBC and SNL to go forward with. (The "real" one, as delivered and departing from the expected text, had no need to be funny in the judgement of anyone but Chappell. )
From wikipedia. "Chappelle converted to Islam in 1991. He told Time magazine in May 2005:
"I don't normally talk about my religion publicly because I don't want people to associate me and my flaws with this beautiful thing. And I believe it is beautiful if you learn it the right way."
This reminds me of when Elvis Costello got banned from SNL because at the beginning of his performance he said something like "there's no reason to play this song", and switched from the SNL/Record label preferred "Less than Zero" to "Radio, Radio".
Quick Google:
Instead, Costello and his band rolled into a performance of the song 'Radio Radio' which, controversially, includes lyrics that criticized the commercialization of the airwaves in both television and radio as well as pointed the finger at corporate-controlled broadcasting.
Costello refused to be censored. Of course Elvis C was later welcomed back to SNL...and they won't ban Chappelle.
"Dave [Chappelle] does a fake monologue during the dress rehearsal, because he doesn’t want [‘SNL’ creator] Lorne Michaels, or anyone else, to know what his real monologue is."
This is also a charitable interpretation of what Joe Biden does.
I wish FNC would let Greg Gutfeld do a comedy sketch show, using his writers and comedians, on at the same time as SNL. I wish Dave would come on the Gutfeld show.
MikeR at 1247 is on to something important. A search for "Jewish Political Donations" brought up an article in the Jerusalem Post that Jews contributed 50% of all donations to the Democratic Party, and 25% to the Republicans (this was in 2016, but still...) It's easy to make this a case that Jewish people are using their assets to have a seat at the table so as to avoid being on the menu again, but it's also possible to have a much more jaundiced view of this. No society that has persecuted Jews has prospered, but they have sometimes done better than the Jews that they persecuted.
So.....he did a fake monologue that included a couple of jokes at the expense of the joke-scribbling pussies that were upset with his gig (because 'things'), and then he did a completely different monolog during the Live Performance, triggering the scribblers into another, completely different tizzie? My estimation slips up a few notches. He had one gig, but stuck his thumb in Cancel Culture's eye twice. Awesome.
The two words you can't say together were also a Chappelle homage -- does anybody remember homages?? -- to Lenny Bruce. To is a preposition, Come is a verb. Not a Hall of Fame routine but it became famous later on as part of the mystique.
I agree with Mike R, way back at 12:47. Chappelle didn't say anything (in that segment; he seemed to go into dystopian fantasia bout Trump's Russia collusion after that) -- he didn't say anything in this whole first 10 minutes that wasn't true. What do you cancel him for? Telling the truth that is massively common knowledge about Jews in powerful positions in Hollywood? Since Carl Laemmle.
"So Islam is like Communism - it is perfect, it just hasn't been done properly yet here on earth?"
And Christianity, as well. Only a relative few even try to do as Christ did, and many act in direct contradiction to his teaching. Being the fallible fucks we are, humans will (almost) always practice our creeds in a say that falls away from the prescribed plan of thought and behavior, (which is aspirational), tweaking and interpreting it to align with our beliefs, wants, resentments, prejudices, and fears, diluting, perverting, or violating our expressed philosophies. It's mind and intent versus human animal drives.
I look at this controversy from the Good ol' american perspective of truth-telling, support for the underdog, and satirical attacks on the rich and famous. In the old days, American comics were supposed to "Speak truth to power". Now, we're supposed to support censorship and and hugely powerful interest groups and business execs crushing anyone who says anything they disagree with it.
High powered record company executives, the multimillion dollar ADL, and pro sport team owners/execs, don't get to present as victims when they are destroying Irving or Ye's career and business. Sorry you don't like their tweets, but you don't get to destroy their livlihoods because of that. Or more accurately you can do it, but don't expect average people to sympathize or take your side.
I think that's been most people's reaction, which is why Chappelle will survive unscathed.
I Still haven't watched the monologue. I must've intuited that it was not going to be funny. What i was commenting on, admiringly 👆🏽 was Chappelle going around the sensors.
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Dave Did or Dave does? Why is this person using the present tense? Is this more fucking around with the language?
The real reason why the writers refused to work with him. Asked and answered.
The source is clearly Lorne Michaels but give him credit for putting Chapelle on and letting him say what he wanted.
Speaking as a Jew, I maybe felt like black people do when white people use the N-word. There was absolutely nothing Chappelle said that wasn't completely true, and nothing that I wouldn't say myself. There was nothing antisemitic about it. But I felt uncomfortable hearing him say it.
But, that's his job. I can't cheer when he does it to groups I don't like, and complain when he does it to me. Well done.
Hmmm. Dave was concerned or knew the liberals at SNL might censor his monologue? Shocking.
You probably have to self-censor any presentation you give on a college campus.
Chapelle upstaged EVERYTHING SNL has done in the last six years. AND it was funny too.
Good for Dave.
Oh, the horror!
People get more upset about comics than they do about politicans who truly say terrible things that they aren't joking about.
cool.
So he wrote two monologues, the real one and a decoy?
I like this guy.
He's been around the block a few times...
I sincerly doubt Chappelle did a "fake monologue". Sounds like CYA by NBC execs. usually, you don't "fake it" since the technical people have to know how long the monologue will be, and where to place cameras, etc.
The fake monologue was probably good, too.
Perfect. I love that. Fight the power!
So they were spying on him to know what he was going to say, and if he didn’t at least pretend to say what they wanted to hear, they would have censored him. But he’s evil and tricked them, so they are not responsible for anything he said in his monologue. Believe it. Please.
So he wrote two monologues, the real one and a decoy?
Not unusual. Politicians often have variations between the "prepared remarks" and their speeches "as delivered". Often, it's significant variation.
And the decoy had to be sufficiently funny AND politically correct for the powers-that-be at NBC and SNL to go forward with. (The "real" one, as delivered and departing from the expected text, had no need to be funny in the judgement of anyone but Chappell. )
From wikipedia. "Chappelle converted to Islam in 1991. He told Time magazine in May 2005:
"I don't normally talk about my religion publicly because I don't want people to associate me and my flaws with this beautiful thing. And I believe it is beautiful if you learn it the right way."
Huh. I just thought Chapelle was satirizing black antisemitism. Like, you know how we are, right?
Because its not exactly kumbaya.
This reminds me of when Elvis Costello got banned from SNL because at the beginning of his performance he said something like "there's no reason to play this song", and switched from the SNL/Record label preferred "Less than Zero" to "Radio, Radio".
Quick Google:
Instead, Costello and his band rolled into a performance of the song 'Radio Radio' which, controversially, includes lyrics that criticized the commercialization of the airwaves in both television and radio as well as pointed the finger at corporate-controlled broadcasting.
Costello refused to be censored. Of course Elvis C was later welcomed back to SNL...and they won't ban Chappelle.
Now add Kanye and Kyrie and you get the drift.
I might have liked the dress rehearsal one better.
Elvis Costello... Radio Radio - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eD_24nDzkeo
Got some attention.
And I believe it is beautiful if you learn it the right way.
So Islam is like Communism - it is perfect, it just hasn't been done properly yet here on earth?
"Dave [Chappelle] does a fake monologue during the dress rehearsal, because he doesn’t want [‘SNL’ creator] Lorne Michaels, or anyone else, to know what his real monologue is."
This is also a charitable interpretation of what Joe Biden does.
#fake is trending
I loved the part where he made the SNL audience laugh with Donald Trump's Hillary jokes.
If you want to know who rules you, ask whom you may not criticize.
The woke elite whom control the world can't seem to cancel Chappelle. Frank Underwood couldn't be reached for comment.
I wish FNC would let Greg Gutfeld do a comedy sketch show, using his writers and comedians, on at the same time as SNL. I wish Dave would come on the Gutfeld show.
MikeR at 1247 is on to something important.
A search for "Jewish Political Donations" brought up an article in the Jerusalem Post that Jews contributed 50% of all donations to the Democratic Party, and 25% to the Republicans (this was in 2016, but still...)
It's easy to make this a case that Jewish people are using their assets to have a seat at the table so as to avoid being on the menu again, but it's also possible to have a much more jaundiced view of this.
No society that has persecuted Jews has prospered, but they have sometimes done better than the Jews that they persecuted.
So.....he did a fake monologue that included a couple of jokes at the expense of the joke-scribbling pussies that were upset with his gig (because 'things'), and then he did a completely different monolog during the Live Performance, triggering the scribblers into another, completely different tizzie? My estimation slips up a few notches. He had one gig, but stuck his thumb in Cancel Culture's eye twice. Awesome.
Chappelle was not condemning or endorsing antisemitism.
The two words you can't say together were also a Chappelle homage -- does anybody remember homages?? -- to Lenny Bruce. To is a preposition, Come is a verb. Not a Hall of Fame routine but it became famous later on as part of the mystique.
I agree with Mike R, way back at 12:47. Chappelle didn't say anything (in that segment; he seemed to go into dystopian fantasia bout Trump's Russia collusion after that) -- he didn't say anything in this whole first 10 minutes that wasn't true. What do you cancel him for? Telling the truth that is massively common knowledge about Jews in powerful positions in Hollywood? Since Carl Laemmle.
"So Islam is like Communism - it is perfect, it just hasn't been done properly yet here on earth?"
And Christianity, as well. Only a relative few even try to do as Christ did, and many act in direct contradiction to his teaching. Being the fallible fucks we are, humans will (almost) always practice our creeds in a say that falls away from the prescribed plan of thought and behavior, (which is aspirational), tweaking and interpreting it to align with our beliefs, wants, resentments, prejudices, and fears, diluting, perverting, or violating our expressed philosophies. It's mind and intent versus human animal drives.
I look at this controversy from the Good ol' american perspective of truth-telling, support for the underdog, and satirical attacks on the rich and famous. In the old days, American comics were supposed to "Speak truth to power". Now, we're supposed to support censorship and and hugely powerful interest groups and business execs crushing anyone who says anything they disagree with it.
High powered record company executives, the multimillion dollar ADL, and pro sport team owners/execs, don't get to present as victims when they are destroying Irving or Ye's career and business. Sorry you don't like their tweets, but you don't get to destroy their livlihoods because of that. Or more accurately you can do it, but don't expect average people to sympathize or take your side.
I think that's been most people's reaction, which is why Chappelle will survive unscathed.
And Christianity, as well.
Fair point.
"So Islam is like Communism - it is perfect...?"
Except maybe for the killing all the Jews part...
I Still haven't watched the monologue. I must've intuited that it was not going to be funny. What i was commenting on, admiringly 👆🏽 was Chappelle going around the sensors.
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