Great news for Val Demings, who's only been a couple points behind Rubio in the polls.
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"It’s so fundamental, life. I would rather be right and lose an election than wrong."
Said Marco Rubio, quoted in "Rubio co-sponsors Graham’s federal abortion ban at 15 weeks" (Orlando Sentinel).
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Buh-bye little Marco. This isn’t for Congress to regulate.
There's no way Val Demings beats Marco Rubio here in Florida. Look elsewhere for a lefty glimmer of hope.
Florida already has a 15 week limit to killing babies. If you can't figure it out in 15 weeks, you probably should keep your legs crossed. As for Val Demings, what's she going to do, campaign for unlimited abortions here in Florida and nationwide?
Like all Democrats, her best chance is to not sound like the person she actually is.
What's so bad about 15 weeks? Seems a reasonable compromise. America just learned that's about the average allowed in Europe, who liberals love to envy and subsidize.
Are pro-abortion feminists really all in on "up until the moment of birth"? Who can actually stomach the thought of that?
But good for Rubio. Most of our elected officials are willing to, or who have already sold their souls...perhaps he's trying to hold onto a piece of his.
Good for Rubio. The great separation needs to be highlighted. Divide us from the party of Moloch.
Jesus: Do you suppose that I've come to give peace on earth? I tell you, No; a division. "(Luk 12:51)
The Gospel of Jesus Christ divides men. Those who are saved, and those who are lost. Those who believe, and those who do not believe. Those who have a hope in eternal life, those who have no hope of eternal life. The Gospel of Christ is a divider of men. (Chuck Smith 1982)
It "great news for Val Demings" only if you believe, without evidence, that Floridians are clamoring for loose abortion laws.
Or not.
Well Marco, keep on being right. There's probably a retirement career for you---somewhere.
The question is whether this is self sabotage by the GOPe. They like being in the minority. No work and the graft is still good.
He always knew the right thing to say in 2016....
It’s simple impossible to believe that some people place such a high value on life when it’s only existence is that of being bound up inside the life of another human.
"Great news for Val Demings, who's only been a couple points behind Rubio in the polls."
The same polls that are wrong every single time, in the exact same way (overstating New Soviet Democratical support) every single time.
Rubio and DeSantis are in zero trouble in FL, much to gadfly's dismay no doubt.
Professor Althouse properly corrected me on the law. Yes, the federal government can legislate on the issue of abortion. My point - apparently not well made - is that with Dobbs the *political* issue of abortion has been sent to the states.
If the GOP at the federal level loses seats or doesn't win seats because of Lindsay's stupid idea to federalize abortion, I will be upset.
Because of Biden's idiotic handling of the economy, inflation, crime, the border and foreign affairs, the Dems should be crushed in the midterms. It looks like Lindsay may blow the GOP's political advantage.
Don't think so, most people in this country support a ban after 15 weeks. Same as the MS Dobbs case. More liberal than European laws.
Dobbs was all about Federalism. The Right planted their flag there. Then comes all this talk of National laws. The left can rightly ridicule us for duplicity.
Still, probably won't hurt Rubio in Florida.
Marco Rubio has always been a part of the Uniparty Regime.
He is scum and should never be trusted.
I thought the point of overturning Roe was so abortion could be dealt with at the state level. Stupid Republicans should let that happen.
I was in Daytona Beach yesterday, once so reliable a democrat bastion that it was targeted by the Gore campaign for a recount in 2000. Val Demmings won’t get 42 Percent there. You have no idea just how wrong your last statement is Ms Althouse.
At least he is being honest about wanting to lose and election.
These scumwads are so transparent. The split screen between Biden declaring victory over inflation and the dow crashing because of inflation is a landslide in the making.
And you will see every Republican Senator in the Regime supporting this unconstitutional distraction.
We will not get our country back until all republican voters understand what is going on here.
How many people here are going to keep pretending the Republican establishment is not pumping up Desantis now with cash and consulting for a reason?
Wake up sheep.
Rubio will win. As he should.
He may get his druthers.
It does mean that he may lose the opportunity to represent his constituents on a lot of other issues. But most of us probably have some hill to die on. I can think of worse ones than this.
I suppose, for me, the question is, "What is the role of an elected representative?" (I say it that way to avoid both "politician" and "statesman," which I've seen described as two ends of a spectrum of principled action.) You're elected, in theory, because your constituents agree with your principles as you present them publicly. Or is it that you make a point of having (or at least acting on) no particular principles, but instead commit to representing the majority of your constituents' principles?
We hold up people of strong personal principles as "statesmanlike," but if they act on personal principles that aren't representative of their constituents', aren't they breaking an implied promise to those constituents?
I dunno.
So, does Rubio think abortion should be legal -- or illegal -- during the first 15 weeks?
HOW can abortion be a FEDERAL issue? didn't the courts JUST decide this?
Dobbs was a win. This is loserville.
Where does Demings set the limit? Nine months? Or never asked?
"My point - apparently not well made - is that with Dobbs the *political* issue of abortion has been sent to the states."
The political issue is completely open to Congress as well, subject to a federalism-based argument that could (like the Obamacare case) end up in court.
The idea that the Dobbs Court "sent" it to the states is wrong. The Court had no power to send it into one political process or another. It left it to be decided by legislation, and both the state legislatures and the Congress can take it up if they choose, and it is Congress that can preempt state law, not the other way around. That is, if Congress wants to do it with a uniform national law, it can (subject to possible judicial intervention in the name of constitutionally enforceable federalism).
Are there really people from the “no abortions ever” crowd and the infanticide crowd that were going to vote for Rubio but hear “holy shit…he proposed 15-weeks! That’s not short / long enough for me! I don’t care how bad inflation, crime, or COVID mandates are…I’m all about abortion and that’s it!!!”
I’ll admit I was going to vote for Rebecca Kleefisch in the WI GOP Gubernatorial Primary until I saw her cozy with Mike Pence. Then I voted for Tim Michels.
Maybe I shouldn’t criticize. Mike Pence is my abortion.
"HOW can abortion be a FEDERAL issue? didn't the courts JUST decide this?"
The Commerce Clause.
Here is how the Florida elections this Fall play out. At midnight of Election Day, Rubio and DeSantis will be 100K+ votes ahead. All the counties will be finished counting except for Broward, Palm Beach, and Dade. They will continue to count for days afterward slowly eroding the leads of both Republicans until the Democrats take the lead by a few thousand votes. This is what they did in the two races in 2018, and it would be Governor Gillum and Senator Nelson today if the governor at the time, Rick Scott, hadn't sent the Florida state law enforcement people to check out what was going on (they counted and counted for 5 days before he finally acted, at which point the Democrats suddenly shut down what they were doing as observers showed up to investigate). DeSantis will have to do the same thing Scott did in 2018, but when he does, the DoJ will step in with court orders to allow the counting to continue into late November until each Democrat wins.
This is going to happen- count on it. And it won't be only Florida- the Democrats do not intend to allow themselves to lose this election in any significant fashion- they are playing for all the marbles now, while the Republican Party leadership is playing tiddlywinks.
Me thinks he is targeting his Hispanic supporters as in Cuban Americans in deep south florida as in Hialeah. They will vote in massive numbers to keep Rubio in the senate. Cuban Americans may in the majority support a woman's right to abortion but not unlimited abortions to age of viability.
I don't know who is included in the samples used in those polls, but speaking from calle 8 and surrounds i assure you that there's no way in heaven Demings is within striking distance of Rubio.
Bad timing. The media can talk about this instead of the latest economic news.
Me thinks he is targeting his Hispanic supporters as in Cuban Americans in deep south florida as in Hialeah. They will vote in massive numbers to keep Rubio in the senate. Cuban Americans may in the majority support a woman's right to abortion but not unlimited abortions to age of viability.
I don't know who is included in the samples used in those polls, but speaking from calle 8 and surrounds i assure you that there's no way in heaven Demings is within striking distance of Rubio.
Me thinks he is targeting his Hispanic supporters as in Cuban Americans in deep south florida as in Hialeah. They will vote in massive numbers to keep Rubio in the senate. Cuban Americans may in the majority support a woman's right to abortion but not unlimited abortions to age of viability.
I don't know who is included in the samples used in those polls, but speaking from calle 8 and surrounds i assure you that there's no way in heaven Demings is within striking distance of Rubio.
I'm not making myself clear. I only want the states to deal with this. I don't want to see the GOP lose federal elections because of the abortion issue. If Marco Rubio loses his Senate seat over this, I'll be sick.
The Dems, of course, want abortion to be a federal election issue because Biden has performed so poorly. Abortion, frankly, is a distraction that the Dems need.
Far be it for me to come down on the same side as Marco Rubio... But,
Once you've got companies and people willing and able to cross state lines, you've got three choices.
1. As long as it's not in my back yard, call it a W then call it a day.
2. Make it a crime to have an abortion in another state.
3. Federal backstop.
Going with option 1 is stagnant and morally myopic, hands the initiative back to the pro abortionists. Option 2 is great but never going to happen or be approved by most Americans.
A 15 week federal backstop otoh takes a lot of wind out a left sails as a national issue. It curbs the progressive states on something I find abhorrent, and makes it harder for them to gain traction among the center. And it doesn't interfere with pushing for more stringent restrictions in states where GOP is able and willing to do so.
It's basically using the Democrat ratchet of state but for my side for once. I'm in favor. Still looking for the poison pill if Graham and Rubio are the ones advancing it, but in favor nonetheless.
I find it interesting that legal abortion before 15 weeks is called a "federal abortion ban".
Many incorrect posts here. The truth is that federalism was the issue for SOME Republicans. For others, it was something else.
I am unable to think of a single issue in a single election in all of American history where federalism concerns (i.e., the belief that the issue should be decided at some particular level of government, as opposed to substantive beliefs about the right answer on the issue), have had the slightest weight. If Prof. Althouse is suggesting that abortion is that one historically unique issue where voters flock to polls to register their concern about federalism, that is a bizarre idea, to put it politely.
If she is suggesting that a ban on abortion after 15 weeks is substantively so unpopular that it will turn Florida Democratic, that is contrary to any polling data that I have seen.
Ann Althouse said...
"HOW can abortion be a FEDERAL issue? didn't the courts JUST decide this?"
The Commerce Clause.
So you think the Commerce Clause is more definitive and clear than the 9th and 10th amendments?
Do you really think the 9th and 10th amendments were intended to be completely ignored because of "The Commerce Clause?"
Do you honestly think that is the intent?
People go to law school so they can learn to make shit up and get their own way.
Rs are shooting themselves in the foot with this. It is best left to the states. The timing is even bad just before the election. It is like they want to energize the other side. WTF.
Priscilla said...
Rubio will win. As he should.
Rubio should have been primaried.
A case of US Senators not being able to resist the idea of telling everyone everywhere what to do.
Ann Althouse: The Commerce Clause.
Equal Protection and Due Process clauses are probably better fits.
Including abortion seems to me to stretch the term "interstate commerce" to the point of being completely meaningless.
Ann Althouse at 1:49 PM
The Commerce Clause.
How long will it take for the US Supreme Court to reject that stupid argument?
Great news for Val Demings, who's only been a couple points behind Rubio in the polls.
You give the regime propaganda so much respect and you post their garbage as if it is honest information. The polls have been obvious garbage for decades.
ABORTION is so important to Ann Althouse. IMPORTANT.
Why?
Free Speech doesn't get you all wee weed up like this and it is far more important.
The only reason to allow abortions past 15 weeks is so the baby part selling industry can keep selling baby parts.
I am honestly trying to understand why Planned Parenthood selling baby parts is so important to people like you.
Mike Sylwester said...
So, does Rubio think abortion should be legal -- or illegal -- during the first 15 weeks?
Rubio wants to keep the Democrat controlled Regime in power.
It is acceptable to Rubio to have a republican in control as long as that Republican supports:
1. Open Borders/Amnesty
2. Endless Wars
3. Free trade with China
4. A Convoluted Tax Code that places the tax burden on the middle class and small businesses.
Rubio is a tool and is just waiting for more opportunities to screw the people that vote for him.
I thought it was dumb for the Dems to propose a national codification of Roe, particularly because it would require killing the filibuster, meaning that thereafter any party with a bare majority in both houses and the White House could then swing it in either direction. (No abortions allowed! All abortions allowed!)
For the same reason, it's dumb for the Republicans. (Although maybe the Republicans wouldn't try to kill the filibuster to push it through, in which case it's all for show, which also seems pretty dumb.)
Glad to hear Val Demmings has a good chance of winning the Senate seat. Democrats may be reaping the rewards of the overreaches of the extreme right.
LATEST DEVELOPMENT:
Do to her total devotion to 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions, Senator Elizabeth Warren is putting forth and proposal that would outlaw abortion PRIOR TO 15 WEEKS.
Warren is a huge fan of 2nd and 3rd trimester abortions and stated in a loud shrieking voice, "Who is Mark Rubio to tell a woman that she has to get an abortion before a fetus is viable and can feel pain? Whether or not the fetus actually suffers is between a woman and her doctor. We'll show that chauvinistic son of a bitch who's really in charge here. NO ABORTIONS UNTIL IN HURTS!!!"
Althouse is right The political issue is completely open to Congress as well, subject to a federalism-based argument that could (like the Obamacare case) end up in court.
I'm not a law professor, I just play one on TV. But, congress can pass and abortion law. If the Supreme Court can (Roe V Wade) why can't congress??
And it would be nice if these assholes could set it between 14 and 16 weeks and then STFU.
>>I find it interesting that legal abortion before 15 weeks is called a "federal abortion ban".
Remember that in Government Financing, if you ask for a 20% budget increase, but only get a 10% increase, that's a "budget cut".
’It is like they want to energize the other side.’
Funny that.
I know the Left craves as many abortions as possible, particularly among minorities, and will fight tooth and nail to kill as many fetuses as possible, but a 15 week limit seems reasonable. With exceptions for crime, health risks, etc., I think the vast majority of Americans would find this reasonable. Not the abortion advocates of course, their bloodlust will never be satisfied.
The 1-2 compromise.
That said, "our Posterity". Six weeks to baby meets granny in a state of law, in a state of physiology, if not in a Forward process.
Rubio beat Christ in the Republican primary by being against Amnesty and open borders.
Once elected, he immediately joined McCain/Grahamnesty to push for Amnesty for illegals and open borders. He opposed every popular trump position in 2016, calling it racism/bigotry etc.
once trump got elected, he changed his tune.
Now he's back with graham. Loserville, indeed.
How about winning an election first, and then doing the right thing?
Twelve to fifteen weeks is the norm in most advanced democracies and, coincidentally, the mean in American polling, so it's hard to understand how it would cut either way in a Florida election.
Congress has no business legislating abortion, and I could even see a court challenge on that basis. It is stupid for Graham et al. to approach the issue this way, especially now.
But if there is to be legislation, what is wrong with a 15 week limit as such? It is a comprise not too different from enlightened European models. It gives women ample time to exercise their autonomy by killing their babies before they are viable. It prevents both actual bans and Dem-orchestrated promotion of infanticide up to the moment of birth. Isn't it in some way the sweet spot?
Wouldn't it be something if a federal abortion law like the one being discussed here became the vehicle by which the Supreme Court returned the reach of the Commerce Clause to something resembling its scope prior to FDR, including Wickard v Filburn, because of a lawsuit by Democrats in blue states that challenge the federal law because they want abortion up to the moment of birth and assert the law is beyond Congressional power, and violates the 10th Amendment/States rights?
Say, you don't think that's part of the calculation taking place here, do you?
Glad to hear Val Demmings has a good chance of winning the Senate seat. Democrats may be reaping the rewards of the overreaches of the extreme right.
It is extreme to ban abortion after 15 weeks?
I guess that Inga wants to allow abortion up to and during delivery a la Ralph Northam. That's moderate in the minds of the leftist kooks.
Ann is very smart, but I think she has a blind spot on killing babies and lines up with the D and media in characterizing a bill that allows abortion up to 15 weeks to be an abortion ban. As to Rubio, it seems like a politically advantageous place for a pro-life politician to stand - claiming to oppose abortion but supporting a bill that allows abortion up to 15 weeks. It is possible that D's and the media will cause Rubio to lose some votes on this, but unlikely that he loses.
Blogger Sebastian said...
How about winning an election first, and then doing the right thing?
Here's where I remind you that the GOP has a long and pathetic history of repeatedly failing to do the right thing according to their own stated principles, no matter how many fucking times we elect them.
Yay! No "whoops that's an error" today!
I just saw Ann's prior post on 15 week limit on abortions was much more reasonable. The only difference between her and Graham is that she wants a federal right to abortion up to 15 weeks, while Graham wants to allow the states to decide on the first 15 weeks. Still, the only way it hurts Rubio is if the D's and media successfully mislead Florida voters.
Abortion isn't a magic wand that democrats can wave to win any election. Between voters who haven't heard this, voters who agree with Rubio, and voters who interpret it correctly and not as bull interprets a waving red cloth, Rubio should be just fine.
I don't think most people like late or later-term abortions. I think the proposal is reasonable.
Val Demmings is a bit of a freak.
"I would rather be right and lose an election than wrong"
Every Far Left Greenie says the same thing about their cause. I don't care if I agree 100% with Rubio's stand. His job is to represent his constituents, not himself. If he wants to plant a moral flag, he can do it in private employment.
Inga: "Glad to hear Val Demmings has a good chance of winning the Senate seat."
LOL
It's bad politics because it only helps the Republicans who don't need it while harming those who are in tight but winnable races. As others here have pointed out, it isn't the the courageous stand Rubio wants us to think it is. He'll win with or without this legislation.
“ Do you honestly think that is the intent?”
No. But I’m talking about case law.
“Equal Protection and Due Process clauses are probably better fits.”
Not under existing case law. Congress can’t create new rights, only enforce rights that courts define. And there’s no way to reach private businesses.
You could do something with taxing and spending.
I would have thought that pushing this to the states would have killed abortion as a national issue.
Rubio seems fairly bright for a senator, but this is stupid.
The next argument will be that 15 weeks isn't enough. It's oppression by the patriarchy.
Between voters who haven't heard this, voters who agree with Rubio, and voters who interpret it correctly and not as bull interprets a waving red cloth, Rubio should be just fine.
I think you're neglecting the voters who wouldn't hear about it as it actually exists, but who will hear about it in USA Today or on Facebook or wherever low-information voters go as "Marco Rubio, extreme right-wing MAGA Republican senator from Florida, supports eliminating a woman's right to choose - not just in his own state, but throughout the country. He is backing a bill that would ban abortion nationwide" - with the 15-week part hidden in paragraph 23.
Hunter Biden's tax payer funded Hooker: "Val Demmings is a bit of a freak."
Does Val shower with adolescents?
Because to really gain Inga's support you have to shower with adolescents. You know, what Inga/gadfly/victoria described "perfectly normal" family behavior.
Graham is not up for re election so he can do what he wants for now. Rubio does not want to loose an election, he could have just retired if he wanted out. He is ahead by 2.5% but still in the moe.
I suspect Rubio has better private polling available and can make a dramatic stand. Florida is 1/3 Alabama, 1/3 Old people, and the Cubans offset the gays and the ex New York Rich for the last 1/3. The Southerners, Old people, and Cubans are not a big abortion constituency, they vote for other things. Non Hispanic POC's will favor abortion in general.
This bill will put the skeer in blue voters nationwide, but they are motivated to vote blue already. Like it won't affect red voters, as they are already motivated to vote red.
Just my opinion, anyway.
If the Commerce Clause was a viable route for federal laws on abortion then why wasn't that taken in the original Roe decision?
Elective abortion is the new slavery, where the latter progressed, and people went along to get along, until the external existential threat was mitigated. Unfortunately, demos-cracy is indeed aborted in darkness (i.e. murder), and the "burdens" of evidence are sequestered in order to keep women affordable, available, and taxable, and underage girls raped... rape-raped without forcing catastrophic anthropogenic climate change. History revisits in rhyme.
I swear these idiots really are deathly afraid of being in charge of anything.
And why do they think that the Fed hover has the right to regulate thus?
I posted on this in the Lindsey Graham thread, but apparently it didn't take.
For a Senator to say "it's for the states to decide" may be correct as a legal/jurisdictional matter(I'm not sure and I think Althouse has this right), but that doesn't mean that they aren't supposed to have a position--hell, since Roe every national politician has been put on the spot, even though the "law" was supposed to be settled by the Court.
Taking the "state decision" position is and will rightly be seen as a cop-out. A senator--the Republican senators--need to have a position. I won't pass-not until the Dems are in the minority--but it's not radical and is in fact what the vast middle seem to be able to live with.
I think Lindsey is setting out a marker--and providing cover for Republicans in close races to say "I'm pro-life--I support the Republican bill--rather than having to make a loyalty pledge to the absolutist position on either side.
@Mike NTH --
I'm not sure what you even mean. The commerce clause vests certain regulatory powers in Congress, not the federal courts.
Also I'm thinking that Lindsey must be doing something right if Jen Rubin thinks he made a mistake.
RINOs counter attack to keep the senate in Dem majority. The blue states still permit all abortions so this tactic is only relevant in the blue states Senate races. If GOP has the Senate majority RINOs cannot hide their secret uniparty deals to divide the loot. That would be as bad as Trump’s winning.
so Lindsey wants to limit abortion at 15 weeks
and Lindsey wants to shoot people who come to Capitol without his permission
All Cardenas' open borders bag boy.
Longtime Tallahassee low rent crook.
State University grifter.
Sansom, anyone?
'Lil Marco needs to go away and let an adult or a better whore take his job.
"If the Commerce Clause was a viable route for federal laws on abortion then why wasn't that taken in the original Roe decision?"
From the NLRB decision in 1937 until 1995, the Supreme Court did not invalidate a single law on the basis of the Commerce Clause. In 1995, the Supreme Court attempted to curtail Congress's broad legislative mandate under the Commerce Clause by returning to a more conservative interpretation of the clause in United States v. Lopez, 514 U.S. 549 (1995). In Lopez, the defendant in this case was charged with carrying a handgun to school in violation of the federal Gun Free School Zones Act of 1990. The defendant argued that the federal government had no authority to regulate firearms in local schools, while the government claimed that this fell under the Commerce Clause, arguing that possession of a firearm in a school zone would lead to violent crime, thereby affecting general economic conditions. The Supreme Court rejected the government's argument, holding that Congress only has the power to regulate the channels of commerce, the instrumentalities of commerce, and action that substantially affects interstate commerce. The Court declined to further expand the Commerce Clause, writing that “[t]o do so would require us to conclude that the Constitution's enumeration of powers does not presuppose something not enumerated, and that there never will be a distinction between what is truly national and what is truly local. This we are unwilling to do.”
I am not a fan of Graham and this is obviously calculated to help R's in election. However, the more I think about it, the more I think it could work for R's. It allows R's to say they support a federal law that allows states to permit abortions in the first trimester and later for rape, incest and life of mother. That position has majority support in the country. The challenge will be overcoming the biased media characterizing it as simply a federal ban on abortions.
Reasonable German in 1934:
Its stupid for Jews to discriminated against but...
If there is going to be discrimination, why not just kick 50 percent out.
Seems pretty gosh, darn, "Moderate".
Miss ladybugs Graham isn't proving "cover" for anyone. Why can't people accept these R senators aren't playng 4-D chess? They are NOT conservative, and they're responding to their big Donors.
Judas Priest, we gone through on issue after issue. for almost 20 years now. Everytime they stab conservatives in the back, someone pretends its all part of some "super-sophisticated" plan to help us.
No, its not.
As always the question in this election cycle is "Can the Republicans snatch defeat from the jaws of certain victory?"
What Michael K says, except I don't think there is any question about it. Purposeful.
Face it, young, old, black, white, in utero, in nursing homes doesn't matter. Dems like killing. Part of the culture.
Asian tossing is the latest phase in the news. Hundreds of thousands O.D.ed? No problem. If Josef Mengele(D), Chicago, ran he'd be elected.
The conservative Cuban vote in the Miami region is very diminished. The children and grandchildren of the anti-Castro immigrants vote majority Leftist. Most of the legacy radio stations and print media are either gone or flipped blue, as is the case with later generations of other anti-communist immigrants.
It's reverse red-diaper Baby syndrome: unlike, say, David Horowitz, who was raised to be a communist and a victim but saw the light and rejected these poisonous views, the children of the brave Bay of Pigs fighters have pulled on the diapers of dependency, race privilege, and America bashing.
It pays better than their parents' principles.
That said, Rubio is likely to stay in office. He is very good at talking out of both sides of his mouth, with the Party establishment wedged firmly in the middle. If that isn't Senatorial, what is?
RC--He's providing cover for "moderate" Republicans. You don't have to agree with the position to see that it makes political sense.
15 weeks is arbitrary as shit.
If there’s one thing Roe v Wade has taught us, you can’t be arbitrary.
You need to be rational, think about homicide, and take homicide off the table.
Think about your death statute, Congress.
It’s there for a reason.
I haven’t read the bill.
If it’s just a ban I would vote for it.
Same principle as banning partial-birth abortion.
Will any moderate Democrats propose a right to abortion early in the pregnancy?
Are there any moderate Democrats?
Graham is usually a posturing idiot. I have had a low opinion of Rubio since he walk in the door of the Senate and allowed Chuck Schumer to make a madness of him. Don't these dolts realize that THE ENTIRE POINT of Dobbs is to state that there is no Federal role in abortion. What idiots. Posturing fools with no credibility.
What enumerated power does Congress have to regulate abortion?
Republicans are politically stupid!! Hoards of pink pussy hats will turn out to protest this absurdity at the polls.
Democrat women and others demand the right to have unprotected sex with men they deem to be unfit as fathers for one reason or another. They say, "Screw the borders, inflation, crime, debt, etc. The country is all about our right to screw - indiscriminately."
Here’s a proposal for Rubio: make every unborn baby in the U.S. a citizen of the U.S.
Under current law, babies born in the U.S. are citizens of the U.S. Even if the parents are here illegally.
So you’re just making the babies citizens several months early. And you might find common ground with people who want to provide healthcare to pregnant women regardless of citizenship.
Our federal government continues to define unborn children as sub-human property. You want to be pro-life? Talk about the humanity of illegal immigrants, and their babies. “It’s a bad idea to come into this country illegally. You are outside the law, and bad things happen when you are outside the law. But your baby is an innocent. Babies commit no crimes. We recognize your baby’s humanity. And we acknowledge your child is a citizen of the United States.”
SMURF: "Don't these dolts realize that THE ENTIRE POINT of Dobbs is to state that there is no Federal role in abortion."
Yes, they do.
But their purpose, along with McConnell's, is to help their New Soviet Democratical allies maintain control of the Senate so as to really stick it to those icky deplorables that won't do what they are told to do.
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