"Avoid instructing children to give their friends hugs at the end of each play date, for example, and make sure they understand that they don’t have to be embraced if they don’t want to be, said Emily Rothman, a community health scientist at the Boston University School of Public Health. It’s also wise to talk to kids about pornography from a young age — even as young as kindergarten, Dr. Rothman suggested. You can frame these early discussions as being more about nakedness than about sex, though. 'You can say, "Sometimes grown-ups like to look at naked photos or movies of other grown-ups, and they do it because it’s fun for them and makes them feel good, but we don’t think it’s that good for kids’ brains,"' she said."
From "'Sex Talks' Should Start Earlier Than You Think/Some parents feel awkward and reluctant to discuss bodies, consent and sexuality; their kids pay the price." That's written by Melinda Wenner Moyer, who is "a science journalist and the author of 'How To Raise Kids Who Aren’t Assholes.'"
If because it’s fun and it feels good is the reason to do something, why wouldn't the kid proceed to do whatever seems fun or as if it might feel good?! A silly answer would be: Because it might not be "good for [my] brain." What kid could possibly think: My brain is still developing, so I need to avoid doing the things that adults do for fun and pleasure. They'd have to think it with their incomplete brain. How is that supposed to work?
As for pornography, I should disclose once again that in my childhood home, in the 1950s and 1960s, the new issue of Playboy Magazine was always on the living room coffee table — alongside Life and Look — and we kids, at any age, were completely free to look at it as much as we wanted.
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In the 50s and 60s "Playboy" was pretty innocent compared to what is in a school library today.
Heroin probably feels great (I wouldn't know), but I'm not sure little Timmy should be given a 'My Li'l Hypo Kit' for his 7th birthday : )
'Playboy' would hardly be considered 'pornography,' especially in the early years...
We just told our kids it was their body and they decided what to do with it. We never told them they had to "kiss Grandma" or anything similar. If they didn't want to be hugged or kissed by an adult, we made sure the adult respected that.
Of course, we also told them their toys were their own and they decided what to do with them. There were no commands to "share" if they didn't want to.
so..
Tell your children, that there is this WONDERFUL thing.. That's FUN! and will make you feel Good!
OH! but that little kiddies can't do it.. Because, it's Only for the Big Kids.
Yep, Can't Really think, of Anything you could do; to make kids WANT to do something, than this.
a) it's FUN!! and will make you 'feel good'
b) it's Only for the Big Kids, Not for little kids like you..
c) because it's Naughty! and you need to not tell your mommy about how we play together
it kinda reminds me of how i used to get freshmen addicted to my wares*
my wares* to the best of Your Knowledge, gilbar is speaking rhetorically when he says this
gilbar does Not condone nefariousisms
Joe Smith said... Heroin probably feels great
it DOES! it REALLY does!
"Sometimes adults like to move hot pans around on the stove while it's lit. They do that because it makes yummy dinners, but we don't think you should do that because it's bad for your skin."
Playboy was pornography in the 50s and 60s? I remember nudity, not pornography.
Playboy was considered pornography in the 50s and 60s. What passes as advertisement for bras and panties in the current weekly coupon circular was considered pornography in the 50s and 60s.
Yeah, I'm not sure teaching young children to just do what is fun and feels good is the lesson they need to be learning. Lots of people die of unnatural causes doing what they thought was fun and felt good until it killed them. How about teaching them to read, write, and do arithmetic? It isn't necessarily fun nor feels good at first, but over time, it leads to better success, which people seem to mistake now as privilege.
"science journalist"
Free porn is widely and freely available today. Play the Porn Hub into music in a crowded room and see how many people react.
My main abjection to porn is that the writing and acting is awful.
In one breath, they deny they are sexualizing children.
In the next, they openly advocate for sexualizing children.
In the 50s and 60s "Playboy" was pretty innocent compared to what is in a school library today.
Playboy's first full frontal nudity centerfold was in 1972.
It is fun to have fun, but you have to know how.
"Avoid instructing children to give their friends hugs at the end of each play date... 'How To Raise Kids Who Aren’t Assholes.'
Hmm...I'm not sure she's on the right track. We've gone a little overboard with the "a touch is a violation" attitude and would be helped by dialing it back a little.
When we look around the world and see some crazy cultural mores--honor suicide in Japan, say, or those huge lip and neck rings in Africa--it comes about slowly as some societal value gets exaggerated over time--yesterday's outrageous is today's normal, so in the competition to be on top, we have to continually ratchet it up, add another ring to that neck, cancel that person for an infraction so petty it wasn't even an infraction yesterday.
The right to bodily autonomy is becoming "any touching is rape." We're more than half way there.
Spoken like someone who only has to give advice to other people about how to raise their children and not like anyone who has raised children of their own that they love.
Is Althouse becoming the new “LIBs of Tik Tok”? First Piketty and now this. Way to fill the void, Ann!
Never take advice about parenting from people who aren’t parents.
"Emily Rothman, a community health scientist at the Boston University School of Public Health."
So, an overeducated, overpaid groomer. Now we know what she thinks. Did she mention her pronouns?
My church put out this video, but has a disclaimer at the beginning that it's meant as a resource for parents, not classrooms. We've talked about pornography with our kids, because it is important that I can frame the topic according to our values.
Do people really make their kids kiss and hug people? It seems like a relic or the past.
The "fountain" of youth, reimagined.
"Emily Rothman, a community health scientist at the Boston University School of Public Health."
An influencer... a paid influencer, for industry?
Good for social progress and progressive profit in the multi-billion dollar pornography industrial complex and transnational planned parent/hood federation.
Our parents left "Everything you always wanted to know about sex. . ." on the bookshelf, so once each of us became interested we read it. I still remember being mystified by the description of some primitive tribe where the mean practiced birth control by soaking their testicles in really hot water. So how the heck did that practice ever evolve? Did the tribe members, over the centuries, just come to notice that men who routinely soaked their balls in really hot water had fewer offspring? It made me skeptical that some of the information in the book might not be accurate.
These people insane liberals. But i repeat myself.
Hey! Teacher! Leave them kids alone!
Ann Althouse said...
"It is fun to have fun, but you have to know how."
Hee Hee!
I liked this Corrie ten Boom quote posted on Don Surber’s blog this morning:
So the line had stuck in my head. “Sex,” I was pretty sure, meant whether you were a boy or girl, and “sin” made Tante Jans very angry, but what the two together meant I could not imagine. And so, seated next to Father in the train compartment, I suddenly asked, “Father, what is sex-sin?”
He turned to look at me, as he always did when answering a question, but to my surprise he said nothing. At last he stood up, lifted his traveling case from the rack over our heads, and set it on the floor.
“Will you carry it off the train, Corrie?” he said.
I stood up and tugged at it. It was crammed with the watches and spare parts he had purchased that morning.
“It’s too heavy,” I said.
“Yes,” he said. “And it would be a pretty poor father who would ask his little girl to carry such a load. It’s the same way, Corrie, with knowledge. Some knowledge is too heavy for children. When you are older and stronger you can bear it. For now you must trust me to carry it for you.”
I have numerous early 1954-57 Playboy magazines. While racy and groundbreaking then they are utterly tame in 2022. The writing and record reviews are still fabulous - Frank Sinatra at the height of his career, Sarah Vaughn, John Coltrane, Miles Davis, et al. What a time capsule! And, a very good investment in magazine memorabilia.
Summers in high school, I worked across the street from the old Playboy offices. I would see the girls getting on the bus to go home as I was leaving work. They all looked a bit pudgy. I think nude photos make girls look thinner. Maybe that was just the style then.
"The Cat in the Hat" taught us all we need to know about keeping the fun we have secret from Mother.
"Avoid instructing children to give their friends hugs at the end of each play date, for example..."
I don't know anyone who instructs their kids to hug at the end of a play date. Is that even a thing? Or are we once again inventing solutions for problems which do not exist?
Neither of my parents were great readers and after my father's death the only magazines I recall in the house were Ladies Home Journal or Redbook. Not exactly great fare for four boys. My older bro the Eagle Scout got Boy's Life, and I think I did too for a while even after quitting.
My widowed mother and I never talked about sex (except for her oft-repeated declarations of undying loyalty to my father and disdain for all other men). In fact, I never talked to any adult about sex. Come to think of it, after the age of 13 when I became senior male on the premises I rarely consulted my elders about anything important.
A couple of my friends had access to Playboy, thank goodness, and were willing to share.
I still like looking at photos of attractive naked women.
I don’t think we ever forced our children to give anyone a hug, though we would tell them that their grandparents would really appreciate one. After that the decision was up to them.
As for pornography, I should disclose once again that in my childhood home, in the 1950s and 1960s, the new issue of Playboy Magazine was always on the living room coffee table — alongside Life and Look — and we kids, at any age, were completely free to look at it as much as we wanted.
Cool story Ann.
And this means that we should have no problem with Ann and her NYT's caste pushing a grooming gang on our kids at school.
There is clearly nothing wrong with CRT or the trans groomers in schools talking about playboys with grade school kids because Ann's family had a playboy in her house.
Ann and the rest of the leftists will never honestly deal with what the NYT's and the progressives are trying to actually do.
AA: "When we look around the world and see some crazy cultural mores--honor suicide in Japan, say, or those huge lip and neck rings in Africa--"
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I remember an old cartoon of two Ubangi women with those huge lip rings. One says to the other:
"Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers"...."Peter Piper picked a peck of pickled peppers".
OK, you fan me for a while."
Couldn't get away with that today!!!
I too remember looking at Playboy when I was young. A couple observations--
My sisters and I loved sneaking peeks at Playboy. We liked seeing the naked women! Would we be told today that we are gay? Younger children have a jumble of feelings about nudity and nakedness. I'm not gay, but in today's environment, would someone try to convince little girls who enjoy a peek at Playboy that they are? (I think little girls are wired to not be attracted to older males and older naked males, because that is a threat to them)
It really did reinforce the idea that the ideal is absolutely the ideal. I'm not sure it's great to let little kids get the idea that mommy and daddy want to see perfect people, and that mommy and daddy aren't enough for each other. Kids needs reinforcement that their family is stable, and their mom and dad love each other!
'They all looked a bit pudgy. I think nude photos make girls look thinner. Maybe that was just the style then.'
No Skeletors back then.
36-24-36 would not fly for a model today unless it was for a woke campaign featuring the 'full figured gal.'
: )
My brothers and I had to endure a lot of hugs from old ladies--grannies, aunts etc.--at least until we were old enough to fight them off.
I still don't much like physical contact with adults other than my wife, and even with her the practice is limited. Those who mistake my size and affability as invitations to hugs only make the error once.
(BTW, the Life magazine World War One 50th anniversary series was AWESOME.)
Probably more kids are damaged by too much sex talk as by too little.
That's written by Melinda Wenner Moyer, who is "a science journalist and the author of 'How To Raise Kids Who Aren’t Assholes.'"
The more often one uses the phrase "asshole" the more likely one is one. I toss it around sometimes when I don't care what people think of me.
"To instill an understanding of consent and body autonomy, we should also let our kids make their own decisions about who they touch (and are touched by)."
Negative decisions, yes. Which is to say they should always be free to say "I don't want to be hugged by X".
Positive decisions? No. Not when it comes to sex / sexual touching
From "'Sex Talks' Should Start Earlier Than You Think/Some parents feel awkward and reluctant to discuss bodies, consent and sexuality; their kids pay the price."
And other kids pay the price because their parents impose no boundaries
That's written by Melinda Wenner Moyer, who is "a science journalist and the author of 'How To Raise Kids Who Aren’t Assholes.'"
How many "non-asshole" kids has Melinda Wenner Moyer raised?
mccullough said...
Never take advice about parenting from people who aren’t parents.
THis. 1000 times this
This woman seems to not understand children at all. As a kid there were so many things that you were aware of that you knew you just couldn’t look at directly….Santa Claus might go away if you said he wasn’t real, parents of friends have relationship problems because he’s seeing another woman but you don’t want to explore why for fear it might happen to your parents, some kids are strange because of their home life but you don’t want to know the details because it seems so unfair and you can’t do anything about it, some kids lie and cheat and feel it’s OK but you don’t want to understand why because you want to believe in moral absolutes and could not yet deal with the nuances of no absolutes, etc. Forcing kids to confront things for which they individually do not voluntarily show that they want to deal with them is a form of child abuse.
Touched- sounds very wrong.
Melinda Wenner Moyer has two kids. They're nine and six.
She has NO f'ing clue who to raise kids who aren't assholes, and won't possibly know that she does for at least another 15 - 20 years
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