"The children were all born to surrogates and staff say it is unclear when their parents will be able to collect them."
There are many ways you might become separated from your children in wartime, but these are newborns who were never united with their parents in the first place.
The basement shelter is owned by the BioTexCom fertility clinic.
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The countries around Ukraine, like much of Europe, are generally hostile to fertility treatment and do not recognize surrogacy. The babies would be deemed legally the custody of the gestational mothers if they were taken out of Ukraine into one of those countries.
I had no idea that this was such a big business.
I'd like to know if these are Ukrainian women contributing their own eggs or whether they are bearing the children of couples who've had fertility problems. That is, is there some kind of idea of tapping the Ukrainian gene pool for the benefit of rich people outside of Ukraine, where it's simply an artificial insemination procedure.
Because that could be a big business. All you need is healthy beautiful young women and rich outsiders. It could be quite exploitative.
Wow the country of Ukraine sets high standards for corruption.
More Crisis Actors no doubt. Tune into Tucker Carlson tonight.
The Scandal-Plagued Company behind Stranded Surrogacy Babies is Also Promoting a Controversial IVF Technique, Center for Genetics and Society, 05 Jun 2020
Poor country with high corruption being used to bear the children of wealthy people.
Why are we sympathetic to Ukraine's government?
Don't get me wrong, Russia is terrible, but this is a case of can't they both lose?
I can't speak to Ukrainian practice, but surrogacy in the US almost never uses the surrogate's eggs. If the requesting mother's eggs are available, hers will be used. If she cannot produce viable eggs, or if the couple is two gay men, then a separate donor's eggs will be used. This became best practice in an uncertain legal environment, to reduce the surrogate's genetic, psychological, and legal connections to the baby.
It's exploitative in the sense that any economic labor on someone else's behalf in return for money is exploitative. My guess is that western couples go to Ukraine for the same reason your cell phone is built in Asia, because it's a lot cheaper than doing it in the US. Surrogacy here will run about $100,000. The ability to go to other countries more cheaply puts the process within reach of people who are not rich.
This Biden Regime and its supporters want war. They are making this war happen pushing oil to 130$ a barrel.
Then they want to send Trump supporters to fight the war.
And they want to call Trump supporters traitors for not wanting to fight the war they started.
It is time for Howard to do something with his worthless life and go defend those babies in person.
It is exploitive, which is why the Catholic Church opposes these kinds of methods.
In December 1917, my grandparents were living in Dartmouth, Nova Scotia, when two ships collided in the Halifax harbor and exploded. My grandfather was a plumber and had left for work. My aunt had left for school. My grandmother and my pre-school age uncle were at home. My aunt had a head injury when her school collapsed that would cost her an eye. My uncle had a severely broken arm. My grandmother had glass shards in both eyes. All three were taken to different hospitals. While my grandmother would retain the vision in both eyes, she was blinded by her bandages for weeks. Grandpa wasn't hurt, but his skills as plumber were needed to help secure gas and water lines throughout the area. It was several days before he could even begin to search for his family. He found them one at a time, and his wife was last.
When I was a child, my grandmother lived with us. A half-century later she still had severe PTSD. Thunder frightened her to the core. She had to be sedated during the Cuban Missile Crisis. Her fear wasn't that all of us would die. It was that we'd all be separated and never find each other again. She implored all of us not to leave the house until it was over. At least these babies won't remember being abandoned.
No war over these babies!
Geoff Matthews said...
Poor country with high corruption being used to bear the children of wealthy people.
Why are we sympathetic to Ukraine's government?
Don't get me wrong, Russia is terrible, but this is a case of can't they both lose?
You don't understand the point.
The Biden Regime needs war. It is failing at home and they need the distraction. Their supporters cannot defend the embarrassment that is their economic and social policy so they need something emotional and mindless because the regime supporters are idiots.
But don't worry.
After starting a war in Russia or the middle east Biden will be against that war within a year.
It is what he does every time.
Because that could be a big business. All you need is healthy beautiful young women and rich outsiders. It could be quite exploitative.
Get rid of the artificial insemination part of it, and it could be a reallly big business.
No one else is seeing a row of bassinets bearing the names Joe, Jr., Jim, Jr., Beau, Jr., Hunter, Jr., Mitt, Jr....?
Eleanor- that makes my heart hurt.
My 1st reaction to this story and IVF:
Animal husbandry.
It’s not nice of me. Working a lifetime w/in animal husbandry, I would think humanity wouldn’t want to be linked to what makes genetics profitable. I understand it’s individual. It’s choice. It’s also perfunctory to generations beyond wanting what one wants- now.
It kind of reminds me of a CSA. Pick up when ripe… investment. But, when it’s all you have?
Are they hot nurses?
Asking for a friend...
Another supply chain disruption. America really needs to bring these jobs back home.
32 trimesters since the war began in the Slavic Spring, which disenfranchised half of the population, and normalized a progressive assault (e.g. denial of services, military and paramilitary attacks) on those regions by a post-coup government and forces aligned with the Kiev axis.
Blogger Howard said...
More Crisis Actors no doubt. Tune into Tucker Carlson tonight.
Only if you want the truth. I doubt you do, Howard. Tulsi Gabbard might be on.
This is a terribly sad story for the poor babies and there is probably plenty of blame to go around. But it wouldn't have happened if rich westerners didn't treat babies as commodities. Most of them grew up listening to the Rolling Stones "You Can't Always Get What You Want". Too bad they didn't take it to heart.
Blogger Achilles said...
It is time for Howard to do something with his worthless life and go defend those babies in person.
Wasn't Howard a Marine? In all fairness, he has had his ticket punched. No matter what other disagreements we may have, give him credit for that.
I think I am in general agreement with you otherwise, Achilles. We have absolutely NO interest in saving Ukraine. We especially have no interest in sending Americans there.
A pox on both countries. Let's gather up all our obsolete weaponry, give half to Russia, half to Ukraine and encourage them to beat each other senseless.
To the Europeans sitting there cold and in the dark, I would just quote US Govt chief mischief maker, Victoria Nuland "Fuck the EU"
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They might even be able to recycle some of the pictures from Kuwait in 1989 of babies being dumped from incubators.
Ukraine has always exported hot young hookers, along with thugs to manage them. Perhaps this is just a brand extension?
Google the company's name, BioTexCom, and I don't think you'll like what they are doing. The page on the company's own site, showing videos for the selection of egg donors is disturbing, as is the price scale charging extra for sex selection, and the news that most of the donors are "Caucasian."
From the company's own site: "The cheapest surrogacy in Europe is in Ukraine, the poorest European country. No wonder it involves numerous intermediaries and various misdemeanors, as well as any other business in Ukraine." https://biotexcom.com/how-surrogacy-business-works-in-ukraine/
It’s not that it COULD be big business. It IS big business. Surrogates who are under contract to go where their babies will be safe…possibly leaving their own families behind in order to fulfill contractual obligations. It’s an industry in which it’s almost impossible to avoid exploitation of poor women for the benefit of wealthy. First with young egg donors, where risks are not fully outlined (no long term studies exist). To surrogates, who may be required to “ reduce” if too many implanted embryos are viable or who may experience higher risk pregnancies with twins or triplets, etc. People hate to be critical because the end product is a baby. They don’t want to know about or hear about exploitation.
Wanting to have a baby so badly that you're willing to pay for an egg or a surrogate does not make the baby "a commodity." It makes the baby an extremely wanted child, and it baffles me that some people see that as a bad thing. The recipient parents are terrified for their newborns just now.
As for the company's practices, it is universally the case that every company offers pictures and ethnicities for egg donors (and sperm donors), in the US and everywhere else. Couples want a donor who looks like the recipient mother (or father), so that the child looks like the couple. This is equally important (indeed, perhaps more so) to minority couples.
And as for the cost, one can either complain that the process is only available to the rich, or one can complain that some companies compete on price. Doing both in the same thread suggests that one's real objection is actually something else.
Ann Althouse said...
Because that could be a big business. All you need is healthy beautiful young women and rich outsiders. It could be quite exploitative.
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spaketh wise Professora.
in Dune they have Tleilaxu and Ix who do such stuff.
So, I was right.
so the babies have been born but the would be "parents" are not present : shows how much they care!
why don't they plead for a humanitarian corridor to get these tykes to safety?
farmgirl, you've met IVF families without knowing it. They're just like everyone else, and "animal husbandry" has nothing to do with it. One's morality is unrelated to the vagaries of one's reproductive health.
BioTexCom creating life bad. Planned Parenthood destroying life good.
This is right up n.n.'s alley.
"BioTexCom creating life bad. Planned Parenthood destroying life good."
IVF and surrogacy almost always do both, whether it's implanting multiple embryos because they won't all survive the implantation process, pressuring the parent to "reduce" (i.e. kill some of them) if more than two do survive the implantation process, or discarding the ones who weren't transferred and became an unwanted item to be dealt with.
I knew a couple who did a few rounds of IVF, and while the embryos were in petri dishes waiting for transfer, they were "the babies." The mother would sit in her car in the parking lot of the lab to "be close to my babies." They knew the sexes of "the babies." As soon as one of "the babies" survived and was born, the babies still in the freezer at the lab suddenly stopped being "babies" and turned into irrelevant clumps of cells. The thought of "having children in a freezer somewhere" weirded the parents out. The thought of allowing another subfertile couple to raise "the babies" also weirded them out. So they donated the rest of their offspring to The Science(tm) because knowing the unwanted cells formerly known as the babies had been experimented on and thrown away did not weird them out, apparently.
Some commenters find it baffling that others would do anything other than coo at the surviving baby in the war zone basement clinic. It's not P.C. to contemplate how the sausage is made.
I knew that was coming- Tom T.
I’ve no doubt- when it’s probably the last choice someone has of a “family”.
I’m pretty sure I do know IVF families. Just not my business.
I’m the type of person that accepts when G*d says- no.
I don’t agree 100% w/your last statement. I have a friend who’s always telling me there is no right or wrong, only different.
The problem is too few believe in G*d to the degree that He has the right answers.
Did you know there are different viability scores for embryos? That #1 embryos are prime and the others all less. Do you think embryos are destroyed b/c they won’t bring the top $$ per viable pregnancy? Did you know that when multiple embryos are “planted” and snugged down in the uterine lining to grow- as the heartbeats are found- certain ones are chosen to be eliminated and are punctured w/a long needle? Man may have put 7viable embryos into the female system- woman may only want one or two coming out… multifetal reduction.
Not to be confused w/the many other ways of demise of embryos or the unborn.
I’ve seen a cow flushed. Lots of hormones and impeccable timing to catch unseen embryos that shine like glowing grains of sand under a microscope. To the cattle industry it’s big $$. To Biolabs- it’s big $$.
It isn’t that anyone is different from me-
It’s that the sanctity of human life is so markedly different from all else.
Not a marketable commodity.
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