"... for much more of the winter. Once you have inflicted this upon them, they will think deeply about the issue. They’ll hate it (and possibly hate you) and they’ll demand a reversal, as... they sought and promptly received the last time we tried this. Even autocratic governments can’t withstand the wrath of a public that’s sure to hate permanent DST. Vladimir Putin and his sometime minion Dmitry Medvedev were able to impose [it]... on Russia for about three years, from 2011 to 2014.... But even Putin repealed this change under pressure from a groggy public that was sick of getting up in the fucking dark, changing instead to permanent standard time.... [Some argue] that people can adjust their schedules if they don’t like getting up in the dark. School or work could start later in the winter.... But do you realize you are just inventing a shittier version of DST, where the clock changes happen not all at once but at sporadic times? So your work might shift its start time by half an hour three weeks after your kid’s school shifts by an hour.... Finally, I want to address the nerds who claim that 'science' means we should have the same time all year.... First of all, what the 'experts' say is we should have permanent standard time (with stupid, useless sunrises at 4:24am in New York in June)...."
Write Josh Barro and Sara Fay in "Actually, Changing the Clocks Is Good..." (Very Serious).
And in WaPo: "Sleep experts say Senate has it wrong: Standard time, not daylight saving, should be permanent." So who are these "sleep experts" and how much do they know about clock policy (as opposed to "circadian rhythms")? There is something called the American Academy of Sleep Medicine....
Its reasoning, in part, is that standard time is more closely associated with humans’ intrinsic circadian rhythm, and that disrupting that rhythm, as happens with daylight saving time, has been associated with increased risks of obesity, metabolic syndrome, cardiovascular disease and depression....
The AASM position was supported by "more than a dozen other organizations, including the National Safety Council and the National Parent Teacher Association." Based on what? Apparently, it's just the idea that if there's more light in the evening there will be less crime!
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I hate the Spring Forward; I'm tired for a week.
But I equally hate all these articles telling me permanent daylight saving time is good or permanent standard time is good or permanent switching twice a year is good.
You know what sucks? Winter. Darkness. It's going to be dark in the morning or dark in the evening, but one or the other is going to be dark.
Seriously, I'm over it. Just keep what we have and never talk about it again.
What's the harm in getting up in the dark? I've done this for years. Winter simply has fewer daylight hours and involves non-optimal tough realities.
Seasonal Affective Disorder (SAD) is a recognized medical/psychological condition. Coffee is popular in gloomy Seattle. Heavy Metal is popular in cold and gloomy Scandinavia.
It's not the clock that matters, it's having too little daylight for half the year.
". [Some argue] that people can adjust their schedules if they don’t like getting up in the dark. School or work could start later in the winter.... But do you realize you are just inventing a shittier version of DST, where the clock changes happen not all at once but at sporadic times?"
I think that's right. People think they are clever and can improve upon existing customs or nature. In most cases, they just make things harder and more complicated. A sage once said, "Better than nothing is a high bar" (or words to that effect). She was right.
Agree! When they moved daylight savings forward to the current weekend I lost the ability to bike in the morning before work.
No, lights don't work when you're going fast on country roads.
I could live with year round standard. Or at least move it back to end of March or even April.
Science indicates to me that the social-distancing rule should be changed permanently from six feet to five feet.
Previously, the science was this:
* Five feet would be too little.
* Seven feet would be too much.
* Therefore, six feet is just right.
Now, however, the science seems to be that each of those distances should be reduced by one foot.
Now five feet is just right.
Wasn't this tried previously somewhere some time ago and people hated it? Wasn't it in the 70s?
What's old is new again.
Sunrise. Sunset.
I think changing the clocks twice a year is stupid. But if given a choice I would prefer standard time. I am an early bird and I don't enjoy the late morning darkness, or the late evening sunshine. But if we finally settle on one clock for the whole year I can deal with it!
Looking at the history of DST and considering all the back-and-forth arguments, let's just split the difference and move the clocks ahead (from standard time) 30 minutes and be done with it. Everyone is just a bit unsatisfied at that point. Who says 60 minute movements are sacrosanct?
I live in the north, where DST does very little to change the fact that everyone wakes in the dark half the year. We get up, get dressed, and start our day without cursing anyone.
Another WaPo whine. Boohoo, a Republican proposed something, I must object; otherwise people might forget I exist, or worse, realize they could live just fine without me.
Well it’s only 8-9 hours of sunlight in the dead of winter, so pick your poison, it’s either dark until 8-8:30 or dark by 4:30-5 … I’m not sure there’s an ideal answer in there anywhere. It’s a short day, it sucks no matter what.
More useless and unneccessary change. DST has been around for 45 years. Just keep it. I don't like the idea of having sunrise at 830-900 AM in December.
I vaguely remember when we didn't have it in the 70s and can remember shivering in the dark/cold waiting to go to school.
Somehow AZ manages to survive the horror of leaving the clocks alone. Are you really this afraid of the natural progression of the seasons?
Fortunately, I’m in Arizona where Barry Goldwater wisely observed gets enough daylight.
When daylight savings time was extended into December last time, parents were not willing to let their kids wait in the dark for the school bus in the morning. They opted, en mass, to drive the kids to school, which led to massive traffic jams around schools that did not have roads or driveways to handled the increase. This was mostly a problem in northern schools, such as Boston, where I lived at the time.
Or, you know, just change when school starts when it's dark out.
I admit to being somewhat indifferent to the fuss over the switch. I’ve moved to a place where sunset was as early as 4:10 pm this winter - that was a shock, especially since it’s more rural and really, really dark. Sunrise as late as 7:25 am. Would I want sunrise at 8:25 to get 5:10 pm? I don’t think so. I like mornings, and I like later sunsets in the summer. I did make a point of buying one of those lamps to ward off SAD. Not really worried about that, but I use it first thing as I have coffee, and I find it does help perk me up quicker.
I don’t follow all of these complaints about getting up and getting kids up in the dark. Our schedules have us getting up in the dark pretty much year round. My kids catch the bus at 6:45; other than maybe the first and last few weeks of school (when the days are the longest), it’s dark then, regardless of the time change. But it sure would be nice if it weren’t pitch black before dinner time.
I have a dream. I dream of a fictional place called Arizona. In my dream Arizona does not celebrate the changing of the clocks. Maybe in my dream I will also dream about all these issues and how they play out. If only we could see if the people were happy with not changing the clocks, where we could see if there are increased instances of injury or death.
Changing\Keeping the conversation away from Covid is good.
Yawn.
Let's split the baby and be half an hour out of phase with everybody! (Except Newfoundland, famous for giant dogs you can saddle and ride, and their kooky timezone.)
I live in Ireland. In the depths of winter it's not really light until close to 9am. I can handle the early sundowns. But the late sunrises get to me like nobody's business.
Why impose changes on every region as if there are equal problems with sunlight?
If your region has problems with it being dark in the morning for kids, your school district can easily enact a policy that all school start times are pushed forward an hour. As can workplaces.
We are taking very regional concerns and making it everyone's problem.
Springing forward and Falling back are like face masks for time.
Well, I said it the other day. I have two steps to suggest:
1) Stop this asinine twice-yearly clock change;
2) As a one-time adjustment: If Step 1 puts solar noon more than an hour off of clock noon, your state or region moves one time zone until it isn't.
Our solar noon is now 1:46 PM. We belong in CDT or EST, and I don't care which we call it.
I love Daylight Savings Time and will be happy if we change over to it permanently. I hate that it gets so dark so early in the Fall and Winter.
Well, look on the bright side- when winter disappears due to global warming, the kids will at least be warm while waiting for the bus in the dark.
Lived in AZ for 20 years. It was great never changing the clocks. Standard time all the time.
The Amish don't change time so if you deal with them you have to remember their schedule. Very confusing.
"Why impose changes on every region as if there are equal problems with sunlight?"
Arizona demonstrates that no one is currently imposing anything - they've opted out.
If states really wanted to, they could join Arizona.
It's too cold, too hot... too dark, too light, change is afoot. Sleepy and dopey.
"Lived in AZ for 20 years. It was great never changing the clocks. Standard time all the time."
Sure, but the down side was having to live in Arizona.
This whole issue is morning people vs night people. It's a conflict as old as artificial lighting and there is no solution that will please everyone.
Me, I'd prefer my daylight when it's warm enough to enjoy it, and if I see the sunrise it means some huge dislocation in my life has happened for me to be awake that early.
What's funny in Arizona is that the Navajo Nation does use daylight savings time, but the Hopis, whose reservation is entirely inside the Navajo Nation, follows Arizona time and does not. So there are a lot of clock changes in a very small area...
Changing\Keeping the conversation away from Covid is good.
The pandemic ended with planned parent/hood in the majority, a politically incongruent strategy with "benefits", and scientifically unsound tactics that sustained what should have been a minor infarction.
I don't care either way...just pick one and stick with it.
The north-south divide is way more important to this debate than any other factor. When we moved to Seattle in a long-ago November, we didn't see the outside of our apartment in daylight for months, except on weekends. We raised our kids in Pennsylvania, and put them on school buses in the dark for a couple of months a year - and since our kids never played football, complained all the time about how they ought just to start school later. Now we live in Houston and even in the depth of winter still see light in the sky by 7 or so.
We are a federal republic. Let the states decide. Lots of states will decide to do it the same way as one another, most likely based on latitude and climate. I get the benefit of knowing everyone's work schedule is based on the same clock - but we also just came out of two years' worth of home offices for those who work in offices and are a couple of decades in to "professionals'" being always in contact with work even in line at Disneyland (I'll never forget the time my husband had to join a conference call while we were waiting for the Dumbo ride), thanks to our phones. It's more complicated for jobsite work, but it's also a custom of long standing now that if your clients are in a different timezone, your work operates on that timezone too, even if it's across the world.
If we are going to make the change to "saving time," I'm with Jaime, shift 30 minutes for the entire year and be done with it. India is a giant country that is 30 minutes off from most. We can join them.
If we’re keeping the current time change system (Spring forward, Fall back), I suggest we move forward or back on Saturday 2am instead of Sunday 2am. This will give everyone a couple of days to adjust before the work week starts.
I lived in Ireland for many years and hated the clock changing nonsense. Yes, days are short in winter and long in summer. I gather that they have now had to settle on a single clock setting (EU rules I believe). How has it worked out in Ireland?
I will again say the problem is less the changes, admitting there are people who want one or other permanently, than the timing of the changes post 2007.
After the Winter Solstice, more daylight is added after noon than before noon each day. In Louisville (admitted a little odd since we're on the western edge of the Eastern Time Zone) on 12 March the sun is setting *an hour and twenty minutes* later than on 21 December but sunrise is less than an hour earlier. That means when we spring ahead on 13 March, we prolong the period where the sun rises after most people get up without really gaining anything that wasn't already happening naturally. The traditional change at the end of March comes after the sunrise has advanced faster than sunset. On 31 March sunrise comes over twenty minutes earlier than on 12 March. The same thing happens in reverse in October with the sunset happening almost immediately at the end of the work day instead of diminishing gradually if we returned to standard time two weeks earlier.
A few thoughts:
1) I hate the DST change because it puts Arizona three hours behind the East Coast instead of two.
2) The school kids thing was a problem in the 1970's. More kids walked to school in those days, very few do that now.
3) I don't know why they're crying about it being dark. I get up when it's still dark most days. I grew up on the East Coast and can well remember the sun rising about 6:30 AM, but it not getting full light until close to 9 AM because of the tree line. I guess if you live NYC or DC you don't crawl out of bed until 8 AM or so.
Wouldn't a redefinition of the second/minute/hour solve everything? Have hours be shorter in the daytime, and longer at night. A sunlit day could be defined as 16 hours long in the winter if each minute was defined as 30 seconds. Then at night, each minute would be defined as two minutes long. Presto! 12 hours or so of sunlight in the daytime in winter.
Science is your friend.
I live in Wisconsin. Sometimes its dark in the morning. Sometimes its dark in the early afternoon.
There is decades of research that schools start too early. Especially for teenagers. If this encourages schools to start later that would be wonderful. But first, we need to confront the ugly truth that a child's educational needs and a parents childcare needs are not always in alignment.
Having spoken up at meetings on this issue, it's very easy for parents (and teachers) to poo poo "the science" when they don't like it.
Blogger Yancey Ward said..."Well, look on the bright side- when winter disappears due to global warming, the kids will at least be warm while waiting for the bus in the dark."
I think global warming will make it dark all the time. At least, that's what I heard.
"I love Daylight Savings Time and will be happy if we change over to it permanently. I hate that it gets so dark so early in the Fall and Winter."
You love it because it fits the sunrise and sunset times that occur in the part of the year when we been using DST. But when you see how those times correspond to the light and dark patterns of winter, you won't love it. You currently hate that it gets so dark so early in the fall and winter, but if DST becomes law, you hate it gets stays dark so long in the morning.
We don't appreciate the benefit we have in the current system.
I can't believe all the whining about changing the clocks there is in social media. In the old days, we had to remember to reset all our clocks and watches. Now, we have electronic devices that reset automatically. It's much easier, but there's much more bitching... because it's also -- because of these same devices -- much easier to bitch.
And lo and behold, the U.S. Senate responds to this bitchery.
And what's the big deal about dark evenings in winter? If it's cold out, you'll probably want to go somewhere indoors after school/work. You have artificial lighting. You can have a cozy dinner and snuggle up with a book or television or warm companion. It's more important to have light as you set out in the morning.
No matter how much you try to extend daylight, the weather has a way of not going along. Good example is along the Northwest coast, when the fog rolls in and lingers, for days on end. This happens frequently from May to August (when you might have expected long sunny days). You travel to San Francisco to see the famous bridge at sunset, but during much of the Summer, it's shrouded in fog ---which I like--- it's a mood !!! Actually, I love the fog, but others pay a lot of money to travel and see SF's famous sunsets and very disappointed with the dark murkiness.
It's the same thing in the Upper Northeast. New England light is usually wonderful in the morning, but then the fog rolls in, which in the Northeast, tends to turn into fairly heavy rain, and the rest of the day you're bathed in dark storminess. Very typical to get fairly severe Summer rainstorms, usually every other day, in those parts.
Go ahead, change the clocks all you want. Mother Nature has a way of not cooperating.
I think the problem is that we're changing the clocks too early in the year. Congress moved it up to March (and back to November) fairly recently, no? I think that's why the bitching is so intense lately. We should wait another month or so, when the shift won't be so noticeable, plunging us early risers into darkness again.
"And what's the big deal about dark evenings in winter? If it's cold out, you'll probably want to go somewhere indoors after school/work. You have artificial lighting. You can have a cozy dinner and snuggle up with a book or television or warm companion. It's more important to have light as you set out in the morning."
Yep.
Blogger MadisonMan said..."Wouldn't a redefinition of the second/minute/hour solve everything? Have hours be shorter in the daytime, and longer at night. A sunlit day could be defined as 16 hours long in the winter if each minute was defined as 30 seconds. Then at night, each minute would be defined as two minutes long. Presto! 12 hours or so of sunlight in the daytime in winter."
And while we're at it, let's make the day 100 hours long. Cuz decimals are easier.
Set clocks up half an hour and let it go at that. Synch with Newfoundland.
Robert Cook said...
Sure, but the down side was having to live in Arizona.
But the upside is that you live in 3/4ths of a continent away in NYC!
It would be nice to have a national conversation about this subject. Without Big Tech censorship for views that are different than the "consensus".
What would be even nicer is if the Feds would get the f*ck out of the way, and let the states decide for themselves.
If a half-dozen states were to join Hawaii and Arizona, the ball would probably get rolling to eliminate it across the country.
I say we go for broke and just get ride of the tyranny of the Long Island Railroad which imposed what became standard time. Everyone go back to Local Time driven by the local apparent noon at their longitude. As it is, people who live on the boundaries of the standard timezones are getting earlier or later sunrises and sunsets than the privileged central meridian denizens.
I was messed up for more than a week when I had to sort thought all the various times learning celestial navigation. And working ships, I've had cruises that changed timezones every few days. Or as in one instance not changing time for a quick jaunt out the Aleutians where the sun came up as you were getting off the 8-12 watch. As well as doing beach landing in relatively good light at 4 am in Alaska. Or not wanting deal with all the payroll paperwork for changing the date, for a weekend dash over the Kwajalein, sailing into tomorrow, then back to yesterday. And having Saturday on the ship but Sunday on the pier.
Clock time is a construct, probably some white privilege, western hegemony, ... thing so let's just get rid of it all and live uncoordinated lives.
"And lo and behold, the U.S. Senate responds to this bitchery."
A fine example of a democratic government responding to the Will of the People.
Or at least the People's bitchiness.
"Sleep experts say Senate has it wrong: Standard time, not daylight saving, should be permanent."
WRONG! Daylight savings means we rely more on solar energy for light in the evening (think evening / night baseball). That's better for the planet, right? Fight climate change! Go DST!
"Its reasoning, in part, is that standard time is more closely associated with humans’ intrinsic circadian rhythm..."
WRONG! For Pete's sake! We use light -- of all kinds -- in the mornings and evenings anyway (houselights, store lights, television, computers, phones, and so on). Our circadian rhythms gave up long, long ago.
Never mind all the business travelers who change times zones more often than they change underwear.
When I was a kid, if you forgot the jump to DST, you were late for things on Sunday.
This Sunday, my kid texted, on his way to church, "why is it so bright at 5PM!" He wasn't late, because his watch and phone automatically adjusted. He was just confused.
So now that changing clocks is mostly done automatically, there is one less argument against DST.
I don't care if it is permanent ST or DST, but the issue isn't about the exercise of changing clocks. It is about changing sleep patterns. Rebuttals that suggest changing sleep patterns is not a problem from people that don't have set work schedules comes from a place of privilege. If you don't have set work schedules, then adjust your activities to fit daylight. Why do you even care what time it is?
The whole world should switch to Zulu time (UTC) and then set local schedules accordingly. Then we will never have to wonder what time it is in New York, Chicago, Denver, Los Angeles, Phoenix, London, Moscow, Beijing, or Bangalore. UTC is already the way your computer and cell phone keep time.
" It's more important to have light as you set out in the morning."
Look. If the government were to pass a new law, saying that quarts would be 33 oz on Monday and Tuesday, 30 oz on Wednesday, 35 Thursday, Friday and Saturday, and 32 on Sunday, would you bellyache about how inconvenient it is having to crate around those huge quarts in the middle of the week? Or would you maybe say that the fucking idiots running our government should quit messing around with our system of weights and measures?
As some of the more thoughtful theorists of law have noted, what the law says is often less important than that it say it consistently, so you can plan accordingly. When I agree to meet someone at noon, he and I both know what we have agreed to. How does it make sense for the government to decide we really should meet at 1:00?
"We get up, get dressed, and start our day without cursing anyone."
You must be a saint.
“What’s the big deal about dark evenings in the winter?” In New England, sunset in many places is before 4PM. It’s incredibly depressing to have it pitch black out long before the dinner hour. Now I live much further south, and not on the east edge of this time zone, so winter sunsets are 5:30 or so. Much easier to take. That said, I appreciate afternoon/evening light much more than morning light, so I’d be fine with permanent DST.
"There is decades of research that schools start too early. Especially for teenagers. If this encourages schools to start later that would be wonderful."
And every Athletic Director and Football coach in the nation [or at least northern areas of the nation] would fight this + sports parents are rabid [remember that line about hockey moms?].
Sports and the need for multiple after school daylight hours [esp in spring seasons] are one major reason why high schools still start much earlier than the research suggests is ideal. When it's been brought up in our district it's instantly crushed by the after-school sports parents
The entire country of China, larger than the US east-west has 1 time zone that never changes.
Mornings are for work. Evenings are for leisure. As noted in the comments, it's more important to have daylight in the morning for families needing to get kids off to school and to work than for you to have daylight during cocktail hour.
I'm all for permanent DST. More light in the evening. When I worked in an office I hated leaving in the dark. No experience of daytime at all. Plus, I'm a night person. I don't even see the early morning.
I actuallly would prefer we just keep standard time all year long, but I seem to be in the minority of that. Picking one or the other is better than doing both.
In the old days before the old days people didn't change their clocks, they just lived with what nature gave them and dealt with it without making other people have to bear their burden
Humans went many millenia without doing the “fall back” and “spring forward” not worrying about this and several centuries of not setting their clocks twice a year once clocks were invented. Here in Wisconsin, I went to work when it was dark outside around 7 am and left work when it was dark outside around 5 pm in the winter time. Hell, in Alaska in the winter, the residents up there have so little daylight during first shift waking hours that changing the clocks probably doesn’t matter (conversely, the amount of daylight during the summer in Alaska is most of the day). I would prefer to set the clock to one time - I don’t care if it is DST, CST, or a one-time adjustment of 30 minutes fall back in the autumn or spring forward in the spring.
"If states really wanted to, they could join Arizona."
I'd want that but again people seem to prefer DST. States apparently can do standard time all year long, but can't do DST all year long without Federal permission. And I'm not sure about standard time as there seems to be barriers besides just legislatures voting for it
States really want to, since a number of them have passed goals to switch to DST, including a recent proposition vote by the people of California.
I'd prefer that we eliminate the switch and we stick with standard time. Where I live, switching to permanent daylight savings time would mean that it would be dark until about 8 am rather than 7 am in December. On the other hand, switching to permanent standard time would mean that it would be light until 8:30 pm rather than 9:30 pm in June. I could easily live with that. I appreciate the extra hour of light when getting going in the morning on a cold winter day. I could easily live with the hot sun going down an hour earlier in the peak of the summer.
standard time is more closely associated with humans’ intrinsic circadian rhythm
People make these general statements about what's optimal, but there can be close to an hour's difference between sunrise and sunset times within the same time zones (Boston vs Detroit, for example). So how can one or the other be best? If standard time is closest for people in Michigan and Ohio, then permanent DST is best for New Englanders. Seems to me DST is a compromise.
@ MadisonMan : "Wouldn't a redefinition of the second/minute/hour solve everything? Have hours be shorter in the daytime, and longer at night."
Let's make it really simple : continuous time zones!! Say, for every 100 miles you move west, the clocks go back 6 minutes or so. Smartphones/watches will have no problem keeping up with it. There may be some downsides, however...
Personally, the time of sunrise or sunset didn't impact me as it always seemed that half the year I was travelling to/from work in the dark and the other half of the year I was in the dark both ways. The hardship of switching to to/from DST came from having to adjust the clocks, most don't change automatically in my house, and disruption to my sleep cycles. I did lots of travel for work and had lots of opportunity to experience the tie shift of more than an hour multiple times a year, but those shifts were easier to deal with, even though the sleep issues were sometimes severe, since they were for a specific purpose.
The mandated time shift is not for any concrete reason (see all of the many different reasons given for having to do the shift or prefering one over the other). Because there is no particular reason my preference is to pick one and stop changing the clocks just because you can! For those of you that prefer morning daylight to evening daylight, rant on/ shift your sleep schedule accordingly - don't force everyone else to accomodate your desires. /rant off
Apparently, it's just the idea that if there's more light in the evening there will be less crime!
Uh-oh. Disparate impact.
Personally, I sleep till noon, go to bed after midnight, so I don’t care. The sun’s not the boss of me.
We should keep DST, but shorten it from eight months to four--from May to September. That's when we have the "extra" daylight while we normally would sleep that could be moved to the evening when we are normally awake.
Mark: "Why impose changes on every region as if there are equal problems with sunlight?"
Arizona demonstrates that no one is currently imposing anything - they've opted out.
If states really wanted to, they could join Arizona.
AZ is on Standard Time all year long, which is allowed by federal law.
Other states don't want to join AZ, they want to go on Daylight Saving Time all year long. That is prohibited by federal law.
Pick one. ST or DST. I don't care which. Move school times to adapt. It's time to end the tyranny of time change!
"The hardship of switching to to/from DST came from having to adjust the clocks, most don't change automatically in my house, …"
Hardship? I don't think that word means what you think it means.
“Sure, but the down side was having to live in Arizona.”
Bet you that you would get a lot more votes here for AZ these days, over NYC, at maybe twice the population. Probably over a half dozen Arizonans have spoken up here today. Urban squalor and horrible winter weather versus being much closer to nature, but hotter than heck in the summer (except that it’s still a relatively dry heat - I moved to PHX from Austin to get out of the summer humidity). I will admit though that we have maybe the best of both worlds, spending the hot half of the year in MT.
If I recall correctly, the whole point in changing time was to benefit farmers to bring in their crops. Now that we have more advanced technology, such as lighting, what is the point?
After growing up in Chicago, I moved to Arizona in retirement. I like that Arizona has a sense of independence from the prescribed wisdom.
Of course, New Yorkers hate it because they are the font of all prescribed wisdom. Eh Cook?
“ If I recall correctly, the whole point in changing time was to benefit farmers to bring in their crops. ”
No. Farmers oppose DST; that’s why, when I lived in Indiana in the 1970s, there was no DST.
"Other states don't want to join AZ, they want to go on Daylight Saving Time all year long."
Actually, Rubio wants us to go to DST permanently and all the people objecting (mostly) want Standard instead.
Thus my statement. Currently any who want to quit changing clocks can go to standard ... yet they do not, because it isn't about stopping changing clocks it is about forcing DST universally.
Grew up in the midwest. All in favor of standardizing on standard time. Hell no to all-year daylight savings time.
These snowflakes who suffer for a week after the time change puzzle me.
How do they possibly take a road trip that crosses a time zone? Or do they just stay home and sleep the exact hours every night of their life?
Before I retired, I would get ocular migraines every year right after the Fall time change. They caused flashing zig-zag visual effects that made it difficult or impossible to read or do computer work. I finally figured out that it was caused by all my meals being one hour later than previous. The effects went away when my body got used to the new schedule. Now, I don't care what time is chosen, but leave it the same all year.
Scott G. said..."Lived in AZ for 20 years. It was great never changing the clocks. Standard time all the time."
Robert Cook said...Sure, but the down side was having to live in Arizona.
Wow, just wow Cookie. Methinks if Althouse did a poll, a majority of her commenters would agree that NYC would be no major loss if Putin took it out with a nuke. Just saying don't be so uppity.
"Methinks if Althouse did a poll, a majority of her commenters would agree that NYC would be no major loss if Putin took it out with a nuke"
Wow. You consider yourselves patriots yet welcome the loss of your countryman.
That will be an interesting claim to explain at the Pearly Gates, my friend.
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