"'He's got to condemn this shit ASAP,' the younger Trump wrote, according to US lawmaker Liz Cheney, vice-chair of the committee investigating if the former president had foreknowledge of the riot."
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८६ टिप्पण्या:
And then Trump released a video statement telling them to do that.
Talk about a horseshit nothingburger.
She is as good at finding the smoking gun hete as her dad was at finding WMD in Iraq.
according to US lawmaker Liz Cheney
Snort.
Hard pass.
This doesn't even make sense.......
How does Liz Cheney have texts between Don Trump Jr., and the White House Chief of Staff??
This fly-on-the-wall shit is getting old.
The link wasn't working for me, but I don't see how this is a horrible action and worthy of the breathless reporting that is to follow.
He was frantically worried about things and wanted to get things under control.
Now...let's imagine the emails and phone calls between Nancy Pelosi, Chuck Schumer, Barack Obama, Susan Rice, Valerie Jarrett, Joe Biden, Kamala Harris, and a slew of Democrats in Congress, not to mention the entirety of the national media machine, Google, Zuckerface, Apple, and Amazon during the summer of 2020.
The Democrats and media were definitely encouraging, financially aiding, supporting, equipping, instigating, and applauding the rioters, looters, arsonists, and murderers who destroyed American cities in the summer of 2020. They still are. If you don't think the Democrats had their hands all over the Billion dollar, multiple murder event, then you are simply refusing to acknowledge reality. They smiled broadly as the destruction of the cities took place. You can bet there was more than one email and phone call telling them all just what to say as the peaceful protests went on.
How did Liz Cheney obtain these texts?
If it was illegally through surveillance she and the people that did this should all go to jail and she knows it.
Were they provided by the communicators? I doubt they have permission to publicly reveal this and if they did get this sort of permission then it is illegitimate.
They think they have some sort of imprimatur to act like this.
But they don't.
The fall of the regime is coming.
Yep, and trump condemned it, and what did he get for it? Trump got impeached and tried -AFTER HE LEFT OFFICE. And he's gotten sued, and he's getting investigated by Liz Cheney, and nadler or whatever Democrat clown is heading up the committee.
Where is the justice for Ashli Babbitt, who was wroingly executed by the Capital Hill police? Why are Jan 6th protesters still awaiting trial? Why did Buffalo Robe guy get 4 years in Jail for doing nothing more than tresspassing and stealing Pelosi's Gavel?
Why is DOJ not releasing almost 5,ooo hours of security camera footage from Jan 6th? Why isn't the death of another Trump protester, who was badly beaten by the Police not investigated? why isn't Pelosi being investigated for refusing additional security? why isn't FBI being investigated to understand what role its informers and embededed agents played in rioting in the Capital?
BTW, its interesting how Red State and Conservative online sites have stayed away from this topic. Except for Tucker Carlson, the same is true of Fox News. I guess the word has come down. Don't talk about it.
Don Jr. was being a pussy like the character Kendall in the Tee Vee show "Succession." Pops knew that you deplorables would love him even more if he delayed saying anything about the impromptu tour of the Capitol building. Mission accomplished 🤣
That's kinda a broken link. It doesn't go to the BBC.
Well, If Liz Cheney said it...
I know some people who had foreknowledge of the riot:
Nancy Pelosi, the FBI, Chuck Schumer, a bunch of paid antifa and FBI informant operatives.
And it looks like Liz Cheney.
It also looks like the Capitol police had plans to kill a few people and cause violence.
When the regime falls and this investigation actually gets into what happened it will start a lot of fun.
Almost as much fun as when the heart failures from the vaccinations really get rolling.
And he did at 4pm
BBC says that Cheney says that Trump Jr. says...
I never trust a claim made for rhetorical advantage without the evidence to back it up. If Cheney has the texts, she should produce the texts. If she doesn't, she should shut up about it.
Security forces denied, an unarmed woman aborted, an invitation summarily withdrawn and people assaulted, and a riot ("disorder") forced. A probable Whitmer-closet with a compelling cause to deny civil rights and bray a handmade tale.
The link to the BBC is bad. On C-Span you can find a video Trump released that afternoon doing just that. Here's the transcript:
I know your pain. I know you're hurt. I know you're hurt, I know your pain. I know you're hurt. We had an election that was stolen from us. It was a landslide election and everyone knows it, especially the other side. But you have to go home now. We have to have peace. We have to have law and order. We have to respect our great people in law and order. We don't want anybody hurt. It's a very tough period of time. There's never been a time like this where such a thing happened where they could take it away from all of us, from me, from you, from our country. This was a fraudulent election. But we can't play into the hands of these people. We have to have peace. So go home, we love you. You're very special. You've seen what happens. You see the way others are treated that are so bad and so evil. I know how you feel, but go home and go home at peace.
And this is newsworthy, or even remotely interesting, how?
So? Your point is, Professor?
Liz Cheney must be a double agent. Everything she releases reflects well on the GOP.
"Mark Meadows, President Donald Trump’s final chief of staff, used a personal cellphone, two personal Gmail accounts, and a Signal account for official government business, a report released on Sunday by the House select committee investigating the January 6 Capitol riot said."
Why is this news?
So if I send a frantic text to Biden administration people, demanding Biden do something i see as urgent, Biden has to do that? Hmmm. I shall consult my wish list.
The text suggests that Jr. didn't have advance knowledge of the attack. Which makes sense since his dad "incited a peaceful march."
So Trump’s son had no idea that Trump wanted to incite an insurrection. Decent evidence that Trump did not incite anyone.
And Trump put out a video statement asking the trespassers to peacefully leave.
The Committee’s Investigation is going nowhere.
At least they're calling it a riot now, and dropping the foolish word "insurrection."
She is ruining her dad's last name.
Apparently Jr and others knew to communicate with the President's Chief of Staff on his personal, non-government devices. Who'd have thunk it?
'He's got to condemn this shit ASAP,'
And what does he think now?
---BBC Reports
---...according to US lawmaker Liz Cheney, vice-chair of the committee
--- The 65 days that led to chaos at the Capitol
Uh huh.
Also, It was actually 1,460 days.
Taking rides and all the kicks was so precious
But you know I was shittin' bricks 'cause I'm precious
As soon as the Rs take over the House, they need to subpoena every phone from every D member.
Including the Capitol police chief, Wray, DC Mayor, etc.
Put it all out in public.
Game is fucking on.
P.S. Subpoena Joe's and Hunter's tax returns.
Apparently Jr and others knew to communicate with the President's Chief of Staff on his personal, non-government devices.
You're the second lefty on this thread to bring this up as some sort of gotcha. It isn't.
Believe it or not, you can communicate government things on personal devices. I mean, just ask Hillary.
What you can't do - or at least you're not supposed to - is communicate personal things on government devices.
Got it now?
Liz Cheney is even more repulsive than her Dad. And almost as macho. She looks like Stephen Colbert in a wig and glasses.
Good thing she's providing the Democrats "Bi-partisan cover" and helping them destroy a Republican President and everyone in his administration. Hope those Wyoming Republicans are smart enough to re-elect her. Utah gave us Mittens, maybe Wyoming can give us Cheney for another 2 years.
BtW, Chicom Mitch and the Senate R's played their usual failure theater game today. After helping the D's get rid of the filibuster on the Debt ceiling, McConnell and 9 other R's voted AGAINST raising the debt ceiling. So, it passed 50-49. Clever no? Well, not to anyone with an IQ over 100. Anyway, Mitch and his gang will now trumpet they OPPOSED raising the ceiling by $2 trillion, when in fact they helped the Democrats do it.
Blogger readering said...
Apparently Jr and others knew to communicate with the President's Chief of Staff on his personal, non-government devices.
At least he didn't "wipe it" like Hillary and Weissmann and the rest of the clown car riders. Where are all those Hillary emails? Other than Putin's files, of course.
Russia Russia Russia readering: "Apparently Jr and others knew to communicate with the President's Chief of Staff on his personal, non-government devices. Who'd have thunk it?"
OMG!!!Eleventy1!11!!1!1!!!
People who know each other have the private phone numbers of those individuals!!!!
Revolutionary!!
Unprecedented!!
Unheard of!!
We must put an end to people knowing each others phone numbers!!
Shampeachment IV on the way!!
Exit question for readering: did Putin provide Mark Meadows with his private phone number? Is Putin in the room with you right now?...........
mccullough: "So Trump’s son had no idea that Trump wanted to incite an insurrection. Decent evidence that Trump did not incite anyone.
And Trump put out a video statement asking the trespassers to peacefully leave.
The Committee’s Investigation is going nowhere."
The Committee IS going somewhere.....railroading and "punishing via an illegitimate process" anyone who supported Trump, covering up what the dems pulled to fake this hoax insurrection (particularly what Pelosi did), hide the FBI's role, and keeping their media minions focused on anything and everything that does not draw attention to the abject failure that is the Biden's Earpiece (obama in abstentia) administration and its results.
But I take your point.
Also, this is the last hurrah and opportunity for Cheney and Kinzinger to fully establish their future MSNBC/CNN contributor role curriculum vitae.
Howard: "Don Jr. was being a pussy like the character Kendall in the Tee Vee show "Succession." Pops knew that you deplorables would love him even more if he delayed saying anything about the impromptu tour of the Capitol building. Mission accomplished"
Hmmmm.
Makes even less sense than usual. Is that on purpose?
My point is just that it was obvious that he should have told them to get the hell out of there much sooner than he did, so he must have wanted some of that activity to go on. Doesn’t mean he planned it or encouraged it but it does mean at least that he passively approved or enjoyed it.
holdfast: "And then Trump released a video statement telling them to do that.
Talk about a horseshit nothingburger."
Whenever we actually see what went on behind the scenes, we see the Howards/readerings et al were simply piling lie upon lie upon lie.
The hoax "problem" with the phone call to the Ukrainian President (the democraticals/LLR's hid the transcript of that one for 2+ years)
The hoax "problem" with the phone call to Zuckerberg/dem lackey Raffensberger in GA (the democraticals/LLR's/NeverTrumpers hid that transcript for 6 months)
The way Schiffty-Schiff and the /democraticals/LLR/NeverTrumpers kept the under oath testimony of all the participants in the impeachment hoax under wraps for years which showed that under oath, they all admitted they had zilch/nada information regarding the non-existent Trump Russia hoax collusion.....and then, only at the very end of the Trump admin, after the election, all the documentation came out which proved the lie.
And the media went Full Hunter Biden Laptop "10% for the Big Guy" "coked up videoed sex with underage ChiCom girls provided by Hunters ChiCom handlers" mode and simply moved on to the next set of lies.
We are living in Vaclev Havel's "Green Grocer" world now with our Maoist lefties.
I don’t think he did want “some of that activity to go on”. I think he knew how many people would show up to support his speech, but I believe the push &shove, the tunnel aggression on the part of the Capitol police &the removal of barriers and invite into the building by those very same Capitol police all took place during the speech- meaning, by the time Trump was made aware of the “insurrection”- it was way beyond anyone’s control. But hey, that’s my reading of the evidence.
What’s very sad and - not puzzling, but mysterious?- is that a 4th Capitol policeman committed suicide recently. That’s- just, wow. They are the law, they were there- in the right to serve and protect, so why why why??
Are they truly suicides? Or, is Hillary up to her usual hijinx, again?
I reject your conclusion that Trump “must have wanted” some of the out-of-control behavior because he called for peaceful protest explicitly. I can mind-read as well as you and I think he thought any excess disorder would dissipate quickly. He likely had no idea the Capitol Police and FBI would open the halls of Congress to them. We know the one guy who was running around inciting violence and urging people to “burn it down,” Ray Epps, who was never even arrested. Neither Trump nor anyone associated with him took such actions or voiced insurrectiony instructions. Every bit of evidence uncovered so far supports the Occam’s Razor version of events you can only connect Trump to the riot by supposition and mind-reading. The man has enough faults without projecting BLM-like intentions on him.
Weren’t the trespasser or vandals too busy trespassing or vandalizing to stop and see if Trump was saying anything?
Some of them had cellphones. Did they have Twitter?
Lot of assumptions going on in this investigation.
Putting aside the assumption that the trespassers or vandals would have followed a Trump stand down order, where’s the evidence they would have received it? How many would have received it? Was their a Chain of Command among these people? Guy with the Buffalo hat gets the message from the Head of Communications that Trump just tweeted stand down so then Buffalo Hat orders the heads of the five battalions to instruct their minions to go home?
This investigation is theater.
Trump should not have spouted the We Was Robbed stuff anymore than Obama should have shit on the police and promoted Black Lives Matter. The BLM adherent in Dallas killed 5 police officers.
But bad judgment is not a crime.
And Political Investigations are pointless.
Sure, Althouse. The whole thing was the fault of Trump. LOL.
What may be obvious post facto is not necessarily so clear in situ. It does not mean that his only feelings could have been the two you offered up. You are assuming something you have no knowledge of, his state of mind.
Joe Smith: "P.S. Subpoena Joe's and Hunter's tax returns."
It will never happen.
The IRS will "lose" those tax returns and anyone who dares to look around to try and find those records will be arrested by the Praetorian FBI.
"Doesn’t mean he planned it or encouraged it but it does mean at least that he passively approved or enjoyed it."
Unlike the rioters who were burning down cities in the summer. Those folks were actually encouraged, because it fit into "someone's" political agenda. But hey, no more mean (or even comprehensible) tweets amiright?
Mike (MJB Wolf): "I reject your conclusion that Trump “must have wanted” some of the out-of-control behavior because he called for peaceful protest explicitly. I can mind-read as well as you and I think he thought any excess disorder would dissipate quickly."
Well, you don't possess Law Professor Mindreading Skills, which are quite admissable in a court of law if that court of law is in DC with an obama judge and an obama FBI and obama grand juries and obama juries.
Anywhere else?
A bit more problematic.
Next up for readering/gadfly/howard: did Don Jr cross state lines to make that phone call?
Because as we have learned, crossing state lines, for whatever reason, is now basically a felony.
John Sullivan was there, too. I just had a discussion w/a friend about this- Antifa was on the grounds- evil Johnny Sullivan filmed everything- you know what she told me? Antifa was just an idea- it’s not an organized group. Huh! In-f/king-believable. I started to tell her otherwise, but I stopped and said I wasn’t going to get into it- talking to someone who watches MSM is never an exchange of thought. It’s a : “Rittenhouse should have been shot, Capitol protesters should have been shot, Trump is the devil.”
All the while this country is sinking deeper into a black hole. What’dya gonna do?
AA asked at time if Trump knew there was a plan to storm the Capital. In view of documents showing plan to call in the military, interesting question whether Trump knew of that and also expected violent counter-demonstrations. That would provide excuse to call in the military, but such counter-denonstrations did not happen.
Liz Cheney should be arrested for releasing these or any private texts. We are living in Bolshevik Russia right now. It would be frightening except that I see the end coming fast and hard.
But this woman deserves prison.
but it does mean at least that he passively approved or enjoyed it.
You say that like it's a bad thing.
I am not interested in Jan 6, unless some of these questions get answered:
Don't know who entered the Capitol. Don't know why DC and Capitol police were not prepared. Don't know how many antifa were on scene. Don't know how many FBI were involved in instigating the riot. Don't know how many were at the Trump rally. Don't know how many people were at the Capitol. Don't know who planted the pipe bombs. Don't know how many are still in the DC jail awaiting trial or disposition.
The only person I know who was at the Trump rally on the Ellipse was home in Mclean by 2:00 pm on Jan 6.
Could be Don Jr. sent those texts to establish his alibi.
What is the purpose of this Jan 6 commission - to see if Trump invited the riot or to see if he took too long to respond to the one that occurred without his knowledge? What is the threshold for response - 30 min, an hour, 3 hrs? What’s the guideline or rule? And who are the judges? Again some of the same people who were victimized by the event. There are no objective observers on that commission…. It’s a mess. A calculated and political mess.
This shit is really tiresome and a waste of time for people with a brain and a life.
Gunner said...
She is ruining her dad's last name.
12/14/21, 5:53 PM
Given that Dick Cheney presided over the second-most feckless American military intervention (so far), the name is pre-ruined. What she's comprehensively destroying is the idea that Bush-Cheney held any loyalty to the American people, and destroying her father's legacy alongside GWB's is a necessary step to purging Washington in general.
"How does Liz Cheney have texts between Don Trump Jr., and the White House Chief of Staff??"
Mark Meadows, the White House Chief of Staff, produced them for the House Committee.
My point is just that it was obvious that he should have told them to get the hell out of there much sooner than he did, so he must have wanted some of that activity to go on.
I remember clearly when the VP told a reporter that the BLM riots would not stop when they were elected, nor should they stop. I also remember Democrats giving freely to bail out rioters that were arrested, keeping rioter on the streets to demolish private businesses. Democrats declared the riots were NEEDED. Democrats refused to use law enforcement to protect private property. DC Mayor forbid the National Guard on City property. Democrats live on violence.
Jan 6 there is one indisputable truth. Pelosi and Schumer were the two people that decided how much police and National Guard presence would be on hand.
Those two people decided on less than the bare minimum.
You lose, Althouse. Your Trumper customers have every angle of his considerable ass covered.
@Althouse (6:59), now if only you felt the same way about the "fiery but mostly peaceful" riots in Madison and Kenosha.
Was Trump even aware of it while it was occurring? Did it take time to filter up through the White House staff to him? If so how long?
Were Don Jr.'s texts sent because he suspected that Trump hadn't seen what was going on?
1) The January 6 riot was disgusting and I’m happy DOJ is throwing the book at the rioters.
2) If Trump had advanced knowledge of the plan to invade the Capitol Building and if he encouraged that, then he should be prosecuted. However, no such evidence has come to light and I doubt any will.Trump is much too cagey to openly break the law. He prefers ambiguous conduct that can be interpreted different ways.
3) Trump’s real offense was his campaign of lies about election fraud, which was intended to pressure GOP congressmen and senators (and Vice President Pence)into voting to reject Biden electors and installing Trump as the president. If the Democrats had the brains that God gave sand, they would go through each and every claim he made and show that it was false and he knew it was false.
Howard: "You lose, Althouse. Your Trumper customers have every angle of his considerable ass covered."
Howard is having a very difficult time adjusting to the increasing speed at which his precious hoaxes are collapsing.
Howard is not very adaptive. I'll bet he is still stuck on "there are no Americans trapped in Afghanistan", "inflation is very low and temporary", "Russia Russia Russia!", Rittenhouse is guilty because "he crossed state lines with a machine gun", "Biden's Earpiece's BBB is fully paid for!" and "Biden is pushing back hard against the ChiComs!" (LOL)
All positions Howard has taken over the last 10 months and then dropped like a hot potato and never revisited.
So give the lad a bit of a break here. He desperately needs the Insurrection! hoax to be true...and it just isnt as demonstrated by his precious precious precious Hoax Commission released tweets so its natural he falls back on "republicans pounce!"
Thoughts and prayers for him at this time.
"You lose, Althouse. Your Trumper customers have every angle of his considerable ass covered."
As one of her non-Trumper customers with zero interest in covering Orange the Clown's Death Star sized butt, I also think that the 2nd impeachment was a dangerous exercise in partisan power politics. This miss use of Constitutional power for the purpose of scoring meaningless points is (ironically enough) the kind of thing Trump himself might do. From here on out, impeachment (without the power to convict in the Senate) is a worthless threat.
Drago said...
Next up for readering/gadfly/howard: did Don Jr cross state lines to make that phone call?
as we have learned, crossing state lines, for whatever reason, is now basically a felony
Not Only might he have crossed state lines (a FELONY!), he did it without proof of vaccine!
(since they weren't vaccinating people his age back then)
TRAVELING WITHOUT PROOF OF VACCINE is a crime that could/should send you to a concentration camp!
Maynard said...
This shit is really tiresome and a waste of time for people with a brain and a life.
12/14/21, 8:53 PM
Cosigned.
""Doesn’t mean he planned it or encouraged it but it does mean at least that he passively approved or enjoyed it."
Unlike the rioters who were burning down cities in the summer. Those folks were actually encouraged, because it fit into "someone's" political agenda. But hey, no more mean (or even comprehensible) tweets amiright?"
Kamala was helping to bail them out. SHE should be on trial for that. I wish I could count on Republicans to pay back the Karma the propagandists deserve, but with the RINOS in office today, that will NEVER happen because they will cave like they always do...angering the middle of the country even more than we are pissed off now.
"The Democrats and media were definitely encouraging, financially aiding, supporting, equipping, instigating, and applauding the rioters, looters, arsonists, and murderers who destroyed American cities in the summer of 2020. They still are."
Ha! Where's your dossier of communications and financial transactions and photographic evidence of "destroyed cities" proving your outlandish claims?
'Your Trumper customers have every angle of his considerable ass covered.'
He's skinny now. You haven't (as always) been keeping up.
At least you have low IQ as an excuse.
It also looks like the Capitol police had plans to kill a few people and cause violence.
It was very chaotic that day, but that's most unlikely. One hothead guard killed someone. Others were more restrained. Still other guards were letting people in. And we don't know what was happening in the tunnel.
Mollie Hemingway:
I *love* how last night's big coordinated-with-media reveal was that there was definitely no insurrection, but there were people texting POTUS folks saying "this is bad, say something." And then POTUS saying something (and getting banned). Some real Columbos up there on the Hill.
Interesting how text messages from two third parties gives Althouse the ability to not only read Trump’s mind but garner his emotions from months ago. Next trick.
Whatever. I'm more concerned about the political prisoners the Dems are holding. They've dropped all pretense. Every American regardless of political stripe should be concerned.
If the Democrats had the brains that God gave sand, they would go through each and every claim he made and show that it was false and he knew it was false.
It's in the nature of election fraud that it's difficult or impossible to prove. Democrats and the media do their best to simply repeat over and over that the claims are unproven without ever bothering to take them seriously.
Ask why the counts in key counties of key states were stopped and you have an enigma that will probably hang over the election results forever, so it's in the Democrats' interest not to mention that.
I think it’s doubtful Howee, Readering, Cook and a few other lefties here are religious people… but in any case, it would be wise for them to humbly pray that they each see a shred of credibility return to them in the coming years.
And?
The test messages released are "so very very damaging" to Trump (LOL) and his supporters that Adam Schiff is, once again, going Full Gadfly and doctoring the quotes to try and create controversy!
Is anything more predictable than Adam Schiff reading into the record his made up quotes?
Meanwhile the work of the January 6 Committe proceeds apace.
Ha! Where's your dossier of communications and financial transactions and photographic evidence of "destroyed cities" proving your outlandish claims?
Gimme the power of the IC and I'll serve it to you on a tray.
As Kevin Williamson writes, stealing Nikes is one thing, stealing the presidency is another. Trump was evil and crazy enough to think that if he could not persuade Pence with exhortations, insults, and legal gibberish, then a mob could do the trick.
Robert Cook said...
"The Democrats and media were definitely encouraging, financially aiding, supporting, equipping, instigating, and applauding the rioters, looters, arsonists, and murderers who destroyed American cities in the summer of 2020. They still are."
Ha! Where's your dossier of communications and financial transactions and photographic evidence of "destroyed cities" proving your outlandish claims?
You're joking, right? Or you live in an utter left wing bubble. You've not seen the CNN Chyron about "mostly peaceful protests" while the town literally burns in the background?
Ann Althouse said...
My point is just that it was obvious that he should have told them to get the hell out of there much sooner than he did, so he must have wanted some of that activity to go on. Doesn’t mean he planned it or encouraged it but it does mean at least that he passively approved or enjoyed it.
To actually make that point, you must provide time stamps on when the texts were sent.
If The texts were sent 3 PM or later, then Trump getting a video out by 4 indicates a pretty quick turn-around.
If the texts were sent at noon, that would be "Trump dragging his heels because he wants violence".
Now, not one of the articles I saw gave a time stamp for any of the "smoking gun texts". Do you have some evidence as to when they were sent?
Because if not, your claim is unsupported by the facts available
BBC is >>right<<(left) up there with AP, Grauniad & NPR as a dispenser of Approved Woke Narrative.
Amadeus 48 said...
I am not interested in Jan 6, unless some of these questions get answered:
Don't know who entered the Capitol.
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EXCEPT : do you know that Ashli Babbitt was killed in the Capitol that day / body present
Readering: "As Kevin Williamson writes, stealing Nikes is one thing, stealing the presidency is another."
LOL
Kevin Williamson!!
"stealing the presidency!!"
"colluding with Russkis!"
"Crossing state lines!!"
"telling people to drink bleach!!"
Do go on. It's hilarious.
Remember everyone, first team to plant a viking helmeted guy in the speakers chair gets to run the nation!!--Readering
Readering said...
As Kevin Williamson writes, stealing Nikes is one thing, stealing the presidency is another.
Yes. but since your side was the one doing both, the comparison is only academic
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