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"UW-Madison told its employees on Thursday that they must be vaccinated by early 2022 to comply with a vaccine mandate for federal contractors."
"The university said the order applies to all workers, including student employees, those working remotely from home and part-time workers. About 95% of employees are already fully vaccinated.... Roughly 1,800 UW-Madison employees have not yet provided proof of vaccination.... The University of Wisconsin System last month said it would comply with President Joe Biden’s executive order to avoid jeopardizing millions of dollars in federal contracts."
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So they are pretending the 5th Circuit Court of Appeals does not exist as well.
The leftists are going to drive every person that values personal freedom out of their companies.
The square root number of total employees do half the work at any given corporation.
These people are the ones with a strong sense of moral integrity. They work hard because they want to and don't have to be told.
Kneelers watch porn.
We are all going to be in Texas. The productive companies that do things are all going to be in red states.
We really don't need you kneelers.
Every new Federal regulation applied to universities raises the cost of tuition. Students are stupidly ignorant of this fact of life, but if there is a regulation, people have to be hired to make sure that it is followed, and tenured professors, who all support the party that promulgates these regulations get replaced with adjuncts, due to cost considerations, and these purportedly intelligent people are like abused spouses, who defend their abuser.
Joe Biden pushed through the bill to make student loans non-dischargeable, at the same time his fresh-out-of-college son was given a well paying job as a vice president at a bank, which job I guess he juggled this the Amtrak directorship George W Bush named him to.
Never mind that the vaccine mandate is strictly about politics. Most voters have an IQ right around 100, and this stuff is all based on polling and political calculation.
I like the line in ghostbusters where Bill Murray suggests the mayor can save the lives of millions of registered voters. Beiden is going to fire millions of registered voters.
"The principle that sustains compulsory vaccination is broad enough to cover cutting the Fallopian tubes. Jacobson v. Massachusetts, 197 U.S. 11."
So the virus is the biggest threat this country (and the world) has ever faced, and Joe mandates a vaccine effective.............in a few months.
Absolute incompetence all the way down.
And kind of backdoor proof that this is about more than a virus.
The 8th Circuit will probably rule next week and stop this foolishness; the OSHA "rule."
WI is not, however, in the 8th Circuit. But many states are plaintiffs in this case.
Look, there is no reason UW/Madison should care about whether their working-from-home workers are vaccinated except that they can. We need to stop pretending that this is all about public health. Power is involved, too.
Same thing my company is mandating. Since we do government contract work all employees have to provide proof of vaccination status by (some date I don’t recall) in December. Whether or not you actually do all your work remote or never support many of the government work. I am waiting until the last day to comply. Not their business.
And what my company is responding to is not the OSHA rule but federal govt not allowing contractors on site or to do remote work unless vaccinated. Not sure I am seeing that executive order being challenged.
"it would comply with President Joe Biden’s executive order"
Eager to comply with any Dem commands, law be damned.
"those working remotely from home"
This is what totalitarianism actually looks like.
Hence the deep slide in consumer confidence numbers, now well below the lowest point of the 2020 CCP virus panic.
Hard to be confident when you have to choose between your health and your job.
A court rejection of this cattle prod might help somewhat.
I blame Trump. If it wasn't for the success his operation warp speed rushing the process before absolute safety was determined, we wouldn't have the dangerous ineffective clot shot approved yet.
"The University of Wisconsin System last month said it would comply with President Joe Biden’s executive order..."
How many of Trump's EOs were immediately challenged in court? They are not challenging this order because they just want to use it as cover to do what they want but don't have the courage to defend on their own.
Blogger Howard said...
I blame Trump. If it wasn't for the success his operation warp speed rushing the process before absolute safety was determined, we wouldn't have the dangerous ineffective clot shot approved yet.
Yes and he was seen frequently at that Wuhan virology lab. I think it was just before the lab leak. Do you dream of Trump?
Serious question
When they want Proof of Vaccine
Is that proof of the useless and obsolete 2021 vaccine?
Or the new 2022 vax?
Or, the upcoming 2024 vax??
Or just proof of submission to the will of Allah??
"I blame Trump."
No need to type that out, it is assumed in all of your posts. But thanks for the additional clarity, I guess.
Or as my kids like to say, "Thank you Captain Obvious".
The University of Wisconsin System last month said it would comply with President Joe Biden’s executive order to avoid jeopardizing millions of dollars in federal contracts.
Way to speak truth to power, UW Madison!
Serious question
When they want Proof of Vaccine
Is that proof of the useless and obsolete 2021 vaccine?
Or the new 2022 vax?
Or, the upcoming 2024 vax??
Or just proof of submission to the will of Allah??
There are one or two sets of circumstances in which I might be required to fly etc (I detest commercial air travel, probably because I have to buy the cheap seats) and who knows what the regulations might be in those eventualities: so I've decided, at last, to get the plague vaccine; first dose is Sunday at 1240.
I was in the hospital for almost a week last month and had two COVID tests while there: on the day I was admitted before being wheeled to surgery, and then, to make sure I hadn't contracted the disease while an inmate, I guess, on the last afternoon, literally about 30 minutes before I was discharged.
@WK, that's my interpretation of what UW is reacting to as well. I work under contracts from the Federal Govt to the UW, and money always has strings.
Executive order? WHAT executive order?
The reason OSHA's being use to promulgate a new "regulation" (published in the Federal Register) is because Biden's people knew an EO would immediately be challenged, and would almost certainly be voided by the Supremes.
@ Ferdinande: the Jacobson case held only that local health agencies could require people to be vaccinated IF the STATE LEGISLATURE had passed laws giving public health bodies that power under certain emergency conditions.
It is not precedent for the EXECUTIVE branch of the FEDERAL government issuing orders, mandates---call them what you will---to all citizens to get vaccines, or to all states. Moreover, the only penalty in Jacobson for non-compliance was a $5 fine---not loss of jobs, pensions and the like.
Finally, the quotation you offer does not appear in the Jacobson v. Mass. decision. It's actually Oliver Wendell Holmes's in the "three generations of imbeciles are enough" eugenics case: Buck v. Bell, 274 U.S. 200 (1927).
Again, that was a state case---and it's one that has long been repudiated, if never expressly overturned. The Americans with Disabilities Act of 1990 now protects the disabled from such forcible treatment. One would think "abled" Americans would be protected as well.
FASCISTS gotta FASCIST. Remember when they claimed Trump was going to be an authoritarian?? Progressives were screaming at the sky, and crying in schools...so they got puppies to soothe their fragile egos.....Good times...Good times.
Josephbleau said...
I like the line in ghostbusters where Bill Murray suggests the mayor can save the lives of millions of registered voters. Beiden is going to fire millions of registered voters.
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I like even better where Akroyd's character refers to the hostile EPA bureaucrat as "Dickless".
When the mayor says, "I'm just trying to get to the truth here", Murray deadpans, "He's right, Your Honor. This man has no dick."
As Glenn Reynolds would put it:
heh
Money talks.
The sanctity of human life, protected from unconsented and irrevocable intervention? Meh.
Holy cow. UW-Madison has 44,000 students and 38,000 employees. No wonder why students are paying $675 an hour in tuition alone to attend. If UW-Madison severs employment for those refusing it's mandate; I'd call it a start. Maybe get student to employee ratio closer to 2:1.
"I blame Trump."
Virus gonna virus, mandates gonna be mandated, Howard's gonna Howard.
"I'm just sitting here watchin' the wheel go round and rowwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwound...."
I am waiting until the last day to comply. Not their business.
My plan as well. I keep imagining the spreadsheets flying around HR about totals of people vaccinated. Knowing the end date is approaching and knowing that it takes a minimum of 3 weeks between doses. Which means if the deadline is Dec 8, you'd have to have your first shot by Nov 17 to get your last shot on Dec 8.
Then I imagine all the notices to legal about what are we going to do if people don't comply?
I'm fully vaccinated, but refuse to give that info to my employer until I can't help it. Who knows the horse may sing.
Jon Gruden is suing the NFL.
I always liked that guy......
I might have posted my last comment to the wrong thread.
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At a time when federal R&D spending has leveled off and even decreased in some categories, the UW-Madison’s research expenditures have continued to expand. In the fiscal year ending June 30, the university recorded an increase of more than 100 grant proposals compared to the previous year, demonstrating a breadth and depth of innovation. The UW-Madison also received $1.5 billion in federal grants, up 15% over the prior year.
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Blogger wendybar said...
. . . Remember when they claimed Trump was going to be an authoritarian??
. . .
Jonah Goldberg, and other #nevertrumpers, claim that Trump had/has "authoritarian instincts." This is based on Trump . . . oh, Hell, I don't know.
When your political opinions resolve to mind reading, that should be a red flag that you are in fantasy land and projecting your psychomachia on the world.
Same UW-Madison that published study results showing vaxxed and unvaxxed carrying similar viral loads.
What happened to those things called “laws”, created by our representatives in Congress? We’ve had vaccines for almost a year now, so where is the emergency?
The cynic in me believes that the D’s know that such laws would never pass, so they are pretending that Federal agencies have unlimited powers. See the CDC deciding it can regulate rents for every property in the US for an egregious example..
I suppose now “We are as nation of mandates, not men.”
i would not follow any order of that senile old fool.
My company announced policy last week that all employees must provide proof of vaccination by Jan 4, or be tested weekly. This is on the theory that the US government is a client, and that even if you don't work directly on anything the Feds use you do contribute to those products indirectly. Personally I am OK with this, and it is the best policy for the company IMO.
But, it gets complicated. 2 (very valuable) employees in the group I manage, who live in Toronto, have lot of questions. One is an immigrant from Belorussia, the other from Romania. They were told when they got vaccinated in Canada that their record was private. Now, one could say, a foreign government is demanding their info. It brings back memories of their younger, not so wonderful, days.
I have forwarded their concerns to HR. Crickets, because they don't know what to say yet.
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