Said District Attorney Jack Stollsteimer of Delaware County, quoted in "Prosecutor Casts Doubt on Account of Train Passengers Not Intervening in Rape/A local prosecutor disputed accounts, put forth by other authorities, that passengers on the train near Philadelphia had watched the assault happen and done nothing in response" (NYT).
This is the first time I'm blogging about this incident. I held back because I couldn't see that the initial report was fact-based and people seemed to just snap it up and run with it.
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Hm. I never heard any talk of them filming the incident for their own gratification. Sounds like they’re erecting a straw man which they can light afire to avoid the true crime: they did nothing while a violent rape took place.
Yeah, whatever. Lets see the video. Lets see the facts. Enoough of these authority figures telling us tales.
That article clearly says that at least one, perhaps two, people took video of the incident, and strongly implies that nobody stopped the guy because the guy raped her for six minutes until a transit officer stopped him.
"...Mr. Ngoy removed the victim’s pants and his own and began raping her. A transit officer came into the car about six minutes later and pulled Mr. Ngoy off the victim, who was taken to a hospital."
Apparently it's bad when bystanders fail to stop a crime, but it's OK when actual police fail to stop a crime (cf: Portland, Minneapolis, &c.).
OK then. So what did they DO to help? Don't just say that it's a fake narrative. Trot out the heros who didn't just watch. This smells of narrative desperation.
When you click on the link, you get a pop-up message asking you to support independent journalism. At The New York Times. Independent journalism. At The New York Times.
It's the NYT, so I can't read the article.
But it doesn't appear that the District Attorney stated anything that the people on the train did do to stop the rape.
Which, if true, means he's lying.
The quote from Fernandinande appears to support that view.
Things I'd like to know:
What are the skin colors of the rapist, and the woman he was raping?
If he is black and she is white, one could argue that all teh BLM screaming about how horrible it is to stop black criminals has paid off.
Are BLM supporters happy with what they've done?
Why didn't someone pull out their pocket knife and just cut his throat while he was busy? Simplest thing in the world.
Yes, it's a straw man argument.
The word is that most likely the woman was Black, like the assailant. It's not clear to me that passengers would have been more or less inclined to do something depending on the race of the victim. It's not necessary to racialize the case.
Why does the prosecutor feel the need to make a public statement without evidence before the justice system works it’s process? I’d bet big money the prep is a minority and the prosecutor is trying desperately to regain control of the crime narrative. Of course The NY Times is more than willing to promote the counter narrative. All part of the typical and expected public kibuki theatre to keep Americans in the dark about the reality of crimes.
A transit officer came into the car about six minutes later and pulled Mr. Ngoy off the victim, who was taken to a hospital."
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did transit officer stop a rape or just public fornication?
could be one of the others had called for help?
Sounds like he's trying to make witnesses feel safe from prosecution coming forward.
The NY Times. Everything is true in the NY Times. Holocaust? Please.
Black victim, black bystanders don't care.
White victim, black bystanders don't care.
Black victim, white bystanders don't get involved..not my people.
White victim, white bystanders impossible.
The assault took place over 45 minutes and 30 stops and none of the passengers called 911 nor intervened. The passengers should not be defended.
As to filming, who on earth would believe that, in our current society, that at least 10 or 20 percent of a given crowd would film an assault? There are lots of videos of assaults on the internet every week - how do they get there?
The prosecutor should focus on the criminal, the victim and the immigration system. The latter is more complicit in this than the bystanders as the rapist never should have been in the country and we that taxpayers pay for that system.
That article and statement made no sense. They’re trying to get witnesses to come forward.
Then again, the NYT has been lying about the Kitty Genovese case in the opposite way for decades. Many people heard something brief, got up, looked outside and saw nothing. That’s because she escaped and was re-caught elsewhere and the assault took place mainly in an alley then hallway, and one of her stoned neighbors did hear her but was too frightened of the assailant to intervene. And he was on a roof, not near a phone, though he did take action after he felt safe himself. Also, some tried to call. The Times made the whole story of uncaring neighbors up in order to shift blame from the black rapist to the white neighbors. Times Editor A.M. Rosenthal re-wrote his book about it several times, each more ornate in spinning lies about his own culpability in the original lie. And he supported parole for the necrophiliatic serial rapist-murderer, who usually rape-murder-raped black women but told police he wanted to try a white one. Rosenthal gave Winston Moseley a full page editorial to argue for his release. The really interesting psychological phenomenon is the degree to which intelligent men like Rosenthal could so brutally dehumanize crime victims and valorize their assailants for so many decades, with so much evidence that such predators would kill again.
Now at least all those psychology lectures about the bystander theory won’t be complete bull anymore.
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