Said lawyer Carmen Hernandez, quoted in "Justice Dept. Said to Be Weighing Sedition Charges Against Oath Keepers/Investigators have for weeks focused on the role of the militia in the attack on the Capitol by a pro-Trump mob" (NYT).
The potential for sedition charges received renewed attention this week after Michael R. Sherwin, the outgoing leader of the investigation, said on “60 Minutes” that the government had most likely obtained enough evidence to bring such a charge.
“I personally believe the evidence is trending toward that, and probably meets those elements,” Mr. Sherwin said. “I believe the facts do support those charges. And I think that, as we go forward, more facts will support that.”
The comments echoed his assertions in the days after the assault, when Mr. Sherwin said that the Justice Department had formed a strike force of senior national security and public corruption prosecutors to look at more serious charges, including sedition.
“Their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol,” Mr. Sherwin, then the acting U.S. attorney in Washington, said at a news conference on Jan. 12....
Mr. Sherwin recorded the interview days before he handed leadership of the inquiry over to Channing D. Phillips, the acting U.S. attorney in Washington. While Mr. Sherwin is no longer working on the investigation, he is still a Justice Department employee and federal prosecutor in Miami.
Is the new administration pursing sedition charges? The article says the decision about that has "languished" because of the Senate confirmation process. The new Attorney General, Merrick B. Garland, was sworn in on March 11th. The NYT observes that "The Justice Department has rarely brought charges of sedition, the crime of conspiring to overthrow the government, and has not successfully prosecuted such a case in more than 20 years."
पोस्ट्स
१६४ टिप्पण्या:
What. A. Crock.
That road feels like the Democrats nuclear option boomerang. It will bite the people that stole an election in the ass...
The Viking horn hat proves sedition if anything does. Plus the ten zip ties.
Let the US military try to deal with that hand.
Once you take over Pelosi's podium, you rule the nation.
They already overthrew the government on November 3 of last year. Sedition? Hell, we had a flat-out coup.
The Capitol was not attacked. Get over it.
Shabby ethics, putting all this out in the media without bringing a charge. I too hope it bites them in the nether parts.
As the old Chinese folklore goes, gotta kill the chicken to scare the monkey.
- Krumhorn
Quotes from the Michael Avenetti wing of the US Attorney's office?
DA - ham sandwich, cause #OrangeManStillBad and #BadTouchBiden still needs a distraction.
And don't forget, Antifa are all boyscouts.
Their last known use of fossil fuels will be to douse the bodies of their foes in gasoline.
Soon after, there will be famine. So predicable. Forward!
Upside down world. When do they start arresting Code Pink for their antics in the Capitol that were just as bad as what happened on the 6th?? Different rules for Progressives is all I see now. What a colossal joke Progressive politics has become....
Hmmm... made an error, learned a new word. Carpe diem.
Boy they really want to create something out of nothing here, gaslighting America after letting it burn in over 250 cities last year. Hundreds of businesses destroyed with not one small effort by the Feds to assist those afflicted businesses or help out the people whose livelihoods were firebombed last year. No effort to restore law and order in the lawless "autonomous zones" in Minneapolis and Seattle.
Nope. THIS is what the muscle and mettle and of our federal leviathan is being applied to. Like the stand-down of the military, this is an unprecedented corruption of the fabric of our society, where normal people are accused of being racist and insurrectionists for doing the same goddamned thing raging mobs did everywhere last year without anyone stopping them or punishing them.
This will not end well for the Feds if they pursue this as described.
Grandstanding.
“Their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol,”
Tell me, what was the most heinous act that occurred in the Capitol?
“When do they start arresting Code Pink for their antics in the Capitol that were just as bad as what happened on the 6th??”
Did the Code Pink ladies beat police with flagpoles, bear spray police, punch police, crush police?
Either DO or don't DO. There is no TRY. These statements are for the woke audiences of CNN and MSNBC, Democrat Pravdas. If they had something, they'd be mum until the indictments were released.
Bob Boyd said...
“Their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol,”
Tell me, what was the most heinous act that occurred in the Capitol?
3/23/21, 8:54 AM
An unarmed woman was executed under color of law...
The prime culprit in the sedition is QAnon.
DOJ/FBI knows all about QAnon. For example, DOJ/FBI knows that QAnon posted an Internet message telling his disciples that Donald Trump would be inaugurated on March 4, 2021. And someday -- maybe not soon, but eventually -- DOJ/FBI will reveal to the public where and when that message was posted on the Internet and exactly what it said.
DOJ/FBI must know exactly who QAnon is.
After all, DOJ/FBI knew exactly who purchased all those Jesus-armwrestling-Satan Facebook ads during the USA's 2016 Presidential election, enabling Donald Trump to defeat Hilary Clinton. DOJ indicted the Concord Management company in Russia for purchasing those Facebook ads. And after Concord Management hired a lawyer and agreed to a US trial, DOJ continued its legal proceedings almost until the trial began. Then DOJ had to drop all the charges in order to protect the FBI's sources and methods, but DOJ/FBI still does know everything about all the domestic and foreign seditionists who are endangering American citizens' precious bodily fluids.
It's normal prosecutor 101. Try and scare the perps to turn on each other. This is what racial equality within the criminal justice system looks like.
It's a structural problem, don't take it so personal.
Birches said...
"Grandstanding."
I disagree. They are building a base for more oppressive laws. Making them unaccountable. The heinous they can make it sound the easier to get the mouth breathing progressives to follow.
60 minutes is a place where politicians go to lie and be jerked off by an adoring and interviewer
They are committing treason while saying otherwise
https://amgreatness.com/2021/03/22/the-feds-bogus-violent-extremists/
An unarmed woman was executed under color of law
Oh, that don't count.
“Their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges against somebody.”
Does that look like an unfair paraphrase to anyone?
The Biden regime DOJ and FBI are going to try to get all Trump voters as "Domestic Terrorists." This is only the beginning.
There is more detail here.
Conducting political surveillance, abusing the NSA database by extracting personal information in violation of the fourth amendment, lying to a FISA court to get a title-1 surveillance warrant against Donald Trump’s campaign, fabricating a false Trump-Russia conspiracy theory, pushing knowingly false information to the media to support a fraudulent investigation, initiating a special counsel to hide the trail of wrongdoing; and the FBI conducting political operations against the Trump administration, was apparently no big deal. However, attend a protest against the corrupt interests of the deep state in DC and you are guilty of “sedition.”
It's my understanding that sedition convictions are extremely rare and usually reserved for members of organizations that committed some pretty serious domestic terrorism like mass bombings, groups like FALN and Al Qaeda. And even then the convictions are often later overturned. AFAIK this Oath Keepers group hasn't done anything even remotely in the neighborhood of that sort of thing.
Militia? Really?
Sedition? Really?
Where were the weapons?
In a fight between the 101st Airborne and a guy with a Viking helmet, I'm not sure who wins that battle.
The Viking guy has a chance if the 101st is doing wokeness training and running around in high heals and fake pregnancy bellies.
Close call...
What were the Jan.6th rioters trying to do in the Capitol?
“Federal prosecutors can charge people suspected of conspiring to overthrow the government with seditious conspiracy; the statute allows for charges of conspiring to “oppose by force the authority” of the government or to use force “to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States.””
I have it on good authority that QAnon is actually funded by George Soros as a fake flag operation. Because the Trump loyalists were mesmerized by them via internet, just a few Soros paid Antifa plants were able to command a couple hundred real normal heartland America-Americans to invade the US Capitol. The Truth is these people were helpless victims who need deprogramming. It's pretty clear that Sidney Powell is part of the Soros conspiracy basically admitting participation in the mass hysteria brainwashing.
“In court documents, federal prosecutors said that the group of Oath Keepers not only planned to interfere in the final election certification, but that they “trained in paramilitary combat tactics in advance of the Jan. 6 operation” and were seen “forcibly storming” the barricades at the Capitol.
They have also emphasized in court papers that members of the group discussed stationing help at a hotel just outside the city, ready to bring arms into Washington “if something goes to hell,” citing a message sent by Mr. Caldwell to Ms. Watkins.”
rhhardin said...
The Viking horn hat proves sedition if anything does. Plus the ten zip ties.
Serious(ly ironic) Question
IF they WEREN'T Actively TRYING to overthrow the Government of the United States...
WHY did they bring ten zip ties with? This PROVES forethought, and CONSPIRACY!
The zip ties were already there. Why did they need them.
Did the Code Pink ladies beat police with flagpoles, bear spray police, punch police, crush police?
Did Donovan Crowl commit those acts?
Why isn't the coward who murdered Ashli Babitt charged with something--reckless manslaughter? Instead he is shielded from the public eye. That alone is tantamount to guilt.
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rhhardin said...
The Viking horn hat proves sedition if anything does. Plus the ten zip ties.
Serious(ly ironic) Question
IF they WEREN'T Actively TRYING to overthrow the Government of the United States...
WHY did they bring ten zip ties with? This PROVES forethought, and CONSPIRACY!
3/23/21, 9:16 AM
I read that they did not bring them but took them off of a police table that was nearby. The reason was to prevent the police from using them. So petty theft, worse case...
My major problem with such a charge is that DoJ won’t bring such charges against those who created the CHAD in Seattle or attacked the federal courthouse in Portland. Both are clear acts of sedition that the DoJ pretends are not.
Inga at 9:14 AM
members of the group discussed stationing help at a hotel just outside the city, ready to bring arms into Washington
Did they take any actions along those lines?
Was "help" stationed at a hotel just outside the city?
Exactly how far from the city was the hotel?
Todd, that's why it was a seriously ironic question
perhaps i should have called it a Serious(ly Sarcastic) Question
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Inga at 9:14 AM
members of the group discussed stationing help at a hotel just outside the city, ready to bring arms into Washington
Did they take any actions along those lines?
Was "help" stationed at a hotel just outside the city?
Exactly how far from the city was the hotel?
3/23/21, 9:28 AM
I also heard that they were trying to coordinate the involvement of the Winter Solder and you KNOW if they were able to get him on board Captain America would have joined their cause too! Thank goodness that did not work out! Hydra is still safe for the moment!
A sedition charge? The last refuge of a scoundrel--or a Pelosi posse of prevaricating poltroons.
Isn't It TRUE?
That EVERYONE who voted for "trump" was ACTIVELY CONSPIRING to topple the ruling (Democrat) order?
If THAT'S not Seditious Conspiracy, What The Hell IS?
(Todd, Now i'm just being Snarky :)
Meanwhile, here in iowa;
Nazi Pelosi is ACTIVELY trying to overrule the democratic process (AND overturn elections)
“Their only marching orders from me are to build seditious and conspiracy charges related to the most heinous acts that occurred in the Capitol,” Mr. Sherwin, then the acting U.S. attorney in Washington, said
Aren't we all glad that they have identified the crime, and now just need to find the perp(s)? Shouldn't it be investigate first, charge second?
Why do people keep saying the rioters were not armed?
“Johnson said the Jan. 6 Capitol riot "didn’t seem like an armed insurrection."
That’s ridiculous revisionist history.
Overwhelmed police arrested and had direct contact with only a fraction of the mob that day, but we still can identify accounts of numerous weapons found in and around the Capitol, brought there in some cases by people who saw themselves as soldiers in a war. And many other rioters used whatever hard objects they could find to attack police and force their way into the Capitol.
A majority of senators, through the impeachment vote, put the blame on Trump for stirring up the riot, though others debate the "why" question for the events of Jan. 6. But the "what" question shouldn't be debated. It was an armed insurrection.
We rate this claim Pants on Fire.”
https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2021/feb/15/ron-johnson/yes-jan-6-capitol-assault-was-armed-insurrection/
They have also emphasized in court papers that members of the group discussed stationing help at a hotel just outside the city, ready to bring arms into Washington “if something goes to hell,” citing a message sent by Mr. Caldwell to Ms. Watkins.”
Sounds like these guys are clowns and the prosectors have nothing. There were no weapons.
https://www.politico.com/news/2021/03/12/judge-release-oath-keeper-insurrection-475609
https://www.buzzfeednews.com/article/jessicagarrison/oath-keepers-armed-reinforcements-capitol-riot
I'm sure they'll get them on something like littering, but this was keystone cops all the way.
"Why do people keep saying the rioters were not armed?"
Nobody arrested had a gun.
Supposedly, the police arrested the 'dangerous' people.
Inga said...Why do people keep saying the rioters were not armed?
Because usually guns are involved. The only gun brandished and reckless used was fired by the coward who shot Ashli Babbitt-- an act which you defended.
a. Inga has a brilliant legal mind and offers well reasoned, astute opinions on complicated Justice Department prosecution decisions, or
b. Inga is an ignorant bimbo.
One of the statements above is false. Identify the false statement and provide justification for not selecting the other statement.
I'll go first and select "a." My justification is: WTF, it's Inga we're talking about.
They will probably press forward and try to make a case.
Progressives of today are shamelessly dishonest in words, wantonly destructive in acts.
Like the self-proclaimed Bolsheviks (literally "majority") a century ago they are a ruthless fringe minority.
History *is* the story of political tension between labor and capital, commoners and nobles, plebians and patricians.
Tragedy always follows when one side gains too much power and strays too far from the Center.
When Gaius Marius became senile and deranged, he was followed by Lucius Cornelius Sulla.
I do not have a good feeling about this.
“One of the statements above is false. Identify the false statement and provide justification for not selecting the other statement.”
Here’s an observation. Jaydumb can’t answer the question of what the rioters thought they were in doing in the Capitol, so he attacks the questioner. That’s lazy and not very intelligent.
Wait, what happen to insurrection? Sedition is toward, but not insurrection.
And this would just highlight the federal government's alignment with Antifa against The People given that Antifa and BLM's nightly "mostly peaceful protests" with the overtly stated intent to disrupt the government and even overthrow the government is far more a seditious conspiracy. And if The People come to realize that their government is in league with those who wish to overthrow the Constitution, is that government still legitimate?
In any case, the Seditious Conspiracy act uses "by force" quite a bit, and yes, they had some flagpoles, but the government had and used guns. But it doesn't separate acts in the day from those in the night.
Wasn't the grand conspiracy by the media and social media seditious? Time reported on it.
Inga at 9:14 AM
They have also emphasized in court papers that members of the group discussed stationing help at a hotel just outside the city, ready to bring arms into Washington “if something goes to hell,” citing a message sent by Mr. Caldwell to Ms. Watkins.”
I speculate that Caldwell and Watkins were a couple (husband/wife or boyfriend/girlfriend). They rented a hotel room outside of Washington DC and then used public transportation to travel into Washington DC in order to participate in the events at the Capitol on January 6.
They did not check out of their hotel room, because they intended to return to it later that day.
At some point of time in that situation, Caldwell sent Watkins a text message suggesting that some third person -- an acquaintance of Caldwell and Watkins -- could go to their empty hotel room and wait.
Then later -- "if something goes to hell" -- a fourth person could bring some weapons to the third person in the hotel room. Then those two persons could bring those weapons from the hotel room into Washington DC.
I speculate further that Caldwell's text message to Watkins did not cause anything to happen. Specifically, the third person never went to the hotel room, and the fourth person never bought any weapons to the hotel room.
In other words, neither Caldwell or Watkins ever had any weapons in the vicinity of Washington DC.
So how come no one [i.e. lawyer defending his client in a free society] is challenging power of "government apparatchiks" to close off access to space belonging to a free people
So, we have a part of the group, at the DOJ, who worked to militarize the DOJ, against their Constitutionally elected superior, who, as President, provided their Constitutional legitimacy, in order to destroy his Presidency, using that very same power to fabricate extreme charges against their opponents, merely because they are his political opponents, and he can. He has the power, and is using it for personal, political reasons, is apparently openly proud of the fact, and is gloating that he can get away with it.
My view is that if their ever is the revolution that he claims here, he, along with the rest of the Cabal that we saw in action over the last five years against Trump and his supporters, goes up against the wall first. We, the people, trusted them with this power, and they grossly abused it, for their own personal advantage, in order to harm their political opponents. Bad enough when Lois Lerner at the IRS did it. Worse, when it is coming from our Justice Department, whose mandate is to provide Justice, and not political revenge. This unspeakably evil toad doesn’t merely deserve to die for his sins against the citizenry of this country, but, with his blatant, open, abuse of power, deserves to die horribly.
Blogger chickelit said...
Did the Code Pink ladies beat police with flagpoles, bear spray police, punch police, crush police?
Did Donovan Crowl commit those acts?
There are no ladies in "Code Pink" first of all. Just lefty lunatics.
Narayanan said...
So how come no one [i.e. lawyer defending his client in a free society] is challenging power of "government apparatchiks" to close off access to space belonging to a free people
Are you 100% sure that's not happening? It may be. You will never read about it in the NYT, though.
It's normal prosecutor 101. Try and scare the perps to turn on each other. This is what racial equality within the criminal justice system looks like.
It's a structural problem, don't take it so personal.
I cant find a Howard to sane translator in google. Can somebody translate this for me? Thanks in advance
“ My major problem with such a charge is that DoJ won’t bring such charges against those who created the CHAD in Seattle or attacked the federal courthouse in Portland. Both are clear acts of sedition that the DoJ pretends are not.”
Why stop there? AntiFA was involved, as agent provocateurs, up to their eyeballs, in the Capital protests. What the leftists, and those corrupt prosecutors supporting them are studiously ignoring, is AntiFA, etc came to the Capital that day specifically to cause the violent riots. Very much like they came to Black inner city locations and instigated a lot of the looting last summer. They were videoed throwing the first rock, breaking windows, etc, time and time again last summer. The only white guy in a crowd of Blacks, who would inevitably sneak away after they had gotten the rioting and looting going. Same thing at the Capital - video of them breaking windows, exhorting the protesters on the other side to start violently protesting, which they mostly failed to do.
Of course, this is studiously ignored by the prosecutors and the media here. Sure, they saw a lot of weapons. Many of them were in the hands of AntiFA and their allies, and the rest in the hands of those trying to protect against them. AntiFA always comes armed, because their power is that of physical intimidation. This guy knows that, but doesn’t care. AntiFA is on his side, on the side of the DOJ (despite repeatedly trying to burn down federal court houses and injure federal agents). So, he, and his allies at the DOJ, turn a blind eye at the actual causes and instigators of the violence, and instead, use it as a pretext to arrest, prosecute, and persecute their political enemies.
Banana republic we are here.
Poor people that have been arrested, with nobody backing them.
The lack of gop support is shameful.
Compare and contrast the left support for their rioters.
As I was running errands yesterday I heard a guy interviewed on msdnc. Might be the same guy as 60minutes. the exact same message. 'evidence already more than enough to charge sedition, and more than enough evidence to charge President Trump.'
And the trolls here gobble it up like their is some kernel of truth in any of it.
This is exactly the same play the propaganda scribes ran from 1-20-16 thru 1-20-20. Lie. We have all the evidence russia, russia, russia was a lie. We know the FBI leaked lies, we know the propagandist published those lies without verification, we know the propagandist knew they were lies.
Now we have exactly the same thing. Persons of the the govt, or past connections to the govt lie, and the propagandists publish what they know are lies.
Pro Tip: You can tell its a lie because the media never asks simple questions.
Like "what elements would need to be met to prevent a judge from throwing out the charge?"
Overwhelmed police arrested and had direct contact with only a fraction of the mob that day, but we still can identify accounts of numerous weapons found in and around the Capitol, brought there in some cases by people who saw themselves as soldiers in a war.
Serious Questions
A) WHAT weapons were found in the Capitol?
B) WHAT "soldiers in a war" would Use THOSE types of weapons?
And many other rioters used whatever hard objects they could find
WAIT A MINUTE! WHY did they have to have "used whatever hard objects they could find"?
I THOUGHT you say, the "saw themselves as soldiers in a war", and brought "numerous weapons"?
Have you EVER thought before writing?
in fairness though; By NO STRETCH of the Imagination, could Igna EVER be thought of as a bimbo
bimbo
[ bim-boh ]
noun, plural bim·bos, bim·boes.Slang.
Also bim·bette [bim-bet] . an attractive but stupid young woman.
Igna certainly is Not a young woman and i'd bet a dollar that she Could NOT be considered attractive
The leader of Q-Anon is Emmanuel Goldstein.
identify accounts of numerous weapons found in and around the Capitol
Hearsay? They did capture people abusing the American flag on video, while others tried to stop them. America, first, or something. The dozens of protesters who were and were not "Trump supporters." That said, did the violence follow the shoot to kill event of the unarmed woman, Ashli Babbitt?
Overwhelmed police
The Democrat Congress refused an offer from the Federal Government to conduct crowd control for several hundred thousand people assembled.
What could possibly go wrong?
The government has their best men on it.
I think the authorities in Washington don't like anyone to question their authority under the rubric of patriotism.
Oath Keepers would be a lot less vulnerable to persecution and prosecution if they had taken a knee during the National Anthem. It is the little things that make the difference.
>>It will bite the people that stole an election in the ass...
They held an election in someone's ass? Did they allow mail in voting, I wonder?
>>The government has their best men on it.
Like the guys who "caught" Richard Jewell?
Carpe dis!
Inga Inganorance Incites Investigation Of Idiocy
and let eric rudolph escape, he wasn't captured for five years, but that was a feather in the cap o doug jones (from hellboy) who ended up as us senator, also they flubbed the anthrax investigation, edward j epstein suggests the source their came from porton down, whose controlling company is owned by an egyptian national
Dumb Damned Dame Dazzles
Richard Jewell, Stephen Hatfill, Michael Flynn, Ted Stevens, Roger Stone, Paul Manafort, etc., not to mention--going the other way--Loretta Lynch, Jeffrey Epstein, Kevin Clinesmith, and Hillary Clinton.
Yup. If the feds are on you, they will persist until someone says "no". And then they'll leak against that person.
And if they want to let you off, expect a wrist slap.
Flatulent Floozie
the shooter, at the soops, is ahmed alyssa, just your typical bubba from aleppo
“DOJ/FBI knows all about QAnon. For example, DOJ/FBI knows that QAnon posted an Internet message telling his disciples that Donald Trump would be inaugurated on March 4, 2021. And someday -- maybe not soon, but eventually -- DOJ/FBI will reveal to the public where and when that message was posted on the Internet and exactly what it said.”
“DOJ/FBI must know exactly who QAnon is.”
Actually, I don’t think that they know who Q is (but no doubt know who at least some of his Anons are). And I think that it is driving them crazy. Earlier, there was a suggestion that one of the Trump boys was Q, and they had some sort of immunity as a result of their paternity. But tha is over, and they haven’t yet been rounded up.
Prosecutors who "try the case in public" do so because they don't actually have a case they could legitimately try in court
https://www.weaselzippers.us/466458-terrorist-in-colorado-spent-months-on-facebook-complaining-about-trump-not-being-able-to-get-laid/
Let me clarify, because I think that this is generally misrepresented, esp by the press. There is Q, and then there are his Anons (QAnons). Q does high level dumps, often nudging his Anons in one direction or another with his disclosures. Much of the stuff that Q has disclosed over the years, he probably shouldn’t have had. For example, he dumped the Strzok/Page text messages. They were critical, since they showed that both the Clinton email investigation and the Trump Russia collusion investigations were bogus, the former because her grossly illegal email usage while Sec of State was never really investigated, while in the latter case, the FBI cabal involved knew all along that there was no collusion. The Anons crowd source the research driven by the Q disclosures. Because they crowd source, and because there are a lot of them, scooping up one or two Anons really doesn’t help the FBI, etc, one small bit.
Prosecutors who "try the case in public" do so because they don't actually have a case they could legitimately try in court
Trial by, litigation through, the press is a progressive form of social justice and profits.
Marching inexorably toward conviction.
Bruce Hayden at 12:04 PM
Q has disclosed over the years, he probably shouldn’t have had. For example, he dumped the Strzok/Page text messages.
The Strzok/Page text messages were released, without restrictions, to a Congressional committee by Attorney General Rod Rosenstein.
narciso,
You can call him Al.
And oh..pics show him being arrested..IN SHORTS! Ok..maybe briefs.
He should have cut back on the Double Chocolatly Chip Frappuccinos.
Bruce Hayden at 12:04 PM
Q has disclosed over the years, he probably shouldn’t have had. For example, he dumped the Strzok/Page text messages.
Rod Rosenstein says he made call to release Strzok-Page texts
DOJ: Rod Rosenstein authorized release to news media of Strzok-Page texts about Trump
Rosenstein says he authorized release of Strzok-Page texts
“There is Q, and then there are his Anons (QAnons). Q does high level dumps, often nudging his Anons in one direction or another with his disclosures. Much of the stuff that Q has disclosed over the years, he probably shouldn’t have had.”
So Bruce believes there IS a Q. So many of you claim to never have heard of QAnon, lol. You aren’t QWoke like Bruce is.
Speaking of real sedition that won't be investigated as such by the US DoJ, a link to Instapundit:
MSNBC: HEY, NO BIGGIE, JUST AN ARMED REVOLUTIONARY MOVEMENT THAT WANTS A BLACK ETHNOSTATE. They keep saying it’s for “defense,” but the leader literally says the end goal is an ethnostate with “our own government, our own country.”
Keep this shit up and what happened on January 6th will be the least of their concerns.
Rules for all or rules for none.
I can't find any further news on the dogsurrection victim Ryan Fischer.
I hope his wounds are healing well.
As far as I can tell, from word searching the US Code, the is no law against sedition.
Perhaps one of the layers here can confirm or refute that. If I cam wrong, I'd be interested in the citation of the law.
The article says these people will be charged with "sedition" and I am curious how, if it is not illegal, this can be?
2 caveats:
conspiracy to commit sedition is illegal. But reading that law, which required armed use of force, I don't see how this applies.
Sedition is a crime under the UCMJ but that specifically only applies to people covered by UCMJ. Mostly active duty military. I don't think that applies to any of the people arrested in the capital. Certainly not to most of them.
So why is everyone talking about "sedition"?
John Henry
Blogger Todd said...
I read that they did not bring them but took them off of a police table that was nearby. The reason was to prevent the police from using them. So petty theft, worse case...
Wouldn't they have to have taken it from the building for it to be "theft"? Ditto the guy with the podium.
Someone mentioned the other day in the comments that they had taken all the issues of a magazine off the rack at the grocery and hid them in another section where nobody would find them for a while. Was that "theft"?
Quotes to denote theft in the legal, criminal, sense of the word.
Maybe attempted theft of the zip ties, podium if they could proves they were trying to take it out of the building. But that seems like it might be hard to prove.
John Henry
Darkisland said...
Maybe attempted theft of the zip ties, podium if they could proves they were trying to take it out of the building. But that seems like it might be hard to prove.
John Henry
3/23/21, 1:52 PM
Well, since they were the "wrong" sort of protesters, mandatory death sentence, no appeal, to be carried out before the trial is over...
Jaydub,
Is there an option C.? I don't think Inga is a bimbo.
I do think she is scared I may be right about PEDJT coming back to the OO by the end of the year. Why else would she not accept my $5 bet?
John Henry
Has Russia Collusion Dead Ender Truther Inga blamed the islamic supremacist Boulder mass shooting on white evangelical Christian Trump voters yet?
Russia Collusion Dead Ender Truther Inga: "So Bruce believes there IS a Q. So many of you claim to never have heard of QAnon, lol. You aren’t QWoke like Bruce is."
Actually, absolutely no one, at all, has claimed this.
Ever.
What everyone says and what I say is I've never seen anything supposedly written or pushed by whatever QAnon is supposed to be and when we ask for links, even self-proclaimed mind readers like Hoax Dossier Truther Inga cant provide one!
So ubiquitous is whatever this QAnon is supposed to be that strangely links are awfully hard to find.
I wonder why that might be?
And why hasnt whomever this QAnon cat been identified?
I think we know all the answers already to all our COINTELPRO related questions.
Sydney Powell now says “no reasonable person” could believe the election was stolen, which means she’s calling us all crazy.
“So Bruce believes there IS a Q. So many of you claim to never have heard of QAnon, lol. You aren’t QWoke like Bruce is.”
There is something or someone who goes by the name Q. I have read too many of their cryptic posts. I have little knowledge of who or what they are. My guess is that the two people who are most likely to know who or what Q is are President Trump and Gen Flynn - since there appears to be some tie between Q and Military Intelligence.
Do I think that there is anything wrong with what Q has done, or continues to do? Hell no. Q (and his Anons) was one of the strongest forces against the gross abuse of government power by Deep State actors, violating their oaths of office by trying to destroy Trump’s Presidency. That they continue to stand up to these same power mad bureaucrats, like the slime ball here, just increases my respect for them.
“So why is everyone talking about "sedition"?”
Because it sounds horrible.
Blogger narciso said...
https://www.weaselzippers.us/466458-terrorist-in-colorado-spent-months-on-facebook-complaining-about-trump-not-being-able-to-get-laid/
I have also read that he planned to shoot up a Trump rally that was cancelled.
“Sydney Powell now says “no reasonable person” could believe the election was stolen, which means she’s calling us all crazy.”
Haha, who is this “us”?
Blogger Ray - SoCal said...
Poor people that have been arrested, with nobody backing them.
The lack of gop support is shameful.
Compare and contrast the left support for their rioters.
That is an excellent point and it goes to a long history of the GOP offering a watered down version of the Socialism being pushed by the DNC Robert Taft was the last GOP Senator with guts although Helms was close.
Barry Goldwater was NOT. His wife Peggy was the conservative.
“ Sydney Powell now says “no reasonable person” could believe the election was stolen, which means she’s calling us all crazy.”
That is crazy talk, or taking something completely out of context. I just went back a week or so in her Telegram posts, and she talks about election fraud in at least four jurisdictions. Probably a post every other day about election fraud, disclosing more and more evidence. And she still calling herself the Kraken. Here is from March 14:
“Major update of 2020 Election Fraud evidence completed today. Over 240 items in list and growing...and that's just Michigan. Please share far and wide. Need to ensure justice in 2020 Election before setting our sights on the 2022 Election. 2020 won't matter until we do. https://letsfixstuff.org/2021/03/michigan-election-fraud-affidavits/“
Haha, who is this “us”?
Normals.
Very much so:
http://acecomments.mu.nu/?post=393321
And she still calling herself the Kraken.
Why it’s almost as though she’s talking out both sides of her mouth.
That road feels like the Democrats nuclear option boomerang.
ALL SHOWTRIALS
ALL THE TIME!®
Earnest Prole, please provide a relevant link about Sidney Powell.
So many of you claim to never have heard of QAnon, lol.
I can't tell if this person is borderline illiterate, or this is just normal dishonest trolling.
I refuse to speak for others, but I, and lots of others have said repeatedly that if it weren't for leftists active participation in the Qanon conspiracy I would never had heard about Qanon. The conservative news sources I frequent, rarely(cant say never) reference Q. And then only to illuminate how crazed the left gets when the left brings Q up.
@ 4:05
good luck with that
“Haha, who is this “us”?
“Normals.”
Chuckling...
So you see what this (redacted) witchhunt has lead to, ignoring a known wolf who had plotted attacks as recently as last january.
“And she still calling herself the Kraken.”
The Kraken speaks.
‘Reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process.’
So said attorneys for Republican lawyer Sidney Powell as they sought dismissal of a $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against Powell by the election equipment company Dominion Voting Systems.
A good column by Conrad Black on nthe consequences of the Democrats getting HR 1 into law.
There is no possibility that properly apprised of the contents of H.R. 1, the American people would approve of it. Shameful, corrupt, and worthless though much of the American political media now is; contemptible as are virtually all of the political commentators on networks like CNN, MSNBC, and most of the traditional over-the-air telecasters; hopeless and almost self-destructively dishonest as the New York Times and the Washington Post usually are, most Americans remain sensible and patriotic and a great many journalists retain some accessible notion of professionalism and integrity. All of these traits and resources must now be mobilized.
Oh, and I don't believe that Sidney Powell quote.
Chuckling...
Yes, I agree that banned commenter Chuck would agree with you.
I, and lots of others have said repeatedly that if it weren't for leftists active participation in the Qanon conspiracy I would never had heard about Qanon. The conservative news sources I frequent, rarely(cant say never) reference Q. And then only to illuminate how crazed the left gets when the left brings Q up.
My wife brought up Qanon based on what she heard in the mainstream media. I asked her what she knew about it because I had no clue. She only knew that the media has labelled Qanon a dangerous right wing conspiracy group that threatens democracy.
This is how the media influences people who pay peripheral attention to the "news".
The lack of gop support is shameful.
Compare and contrast the left support for their rioters.
Worth repeating. We lose more men, women, and children to an agnostic fate as they go along with hopes and dreams that others will go along. But I'm progressive, comes to mind. But you're not worthy, you're not politically congruent, you're not viable. Cancelled!
Fortunately, the FBI is too busy rounding up high school "Domestic Terrorists from Jan 6 to bother with ISIS jihadis in Colorado.
In her first official act as Director of National Intelligence, Avril Haines issued a flashing red alert to the country. Jihadi-like Americans, especially those on the political Right, lurk among us and are plotting to commit vicious crimes such as kidnapping and assasinations.
These "US-based actors" allegedly will be moved to violence based on "narratives of fraud in the recent general election, the emboldening impact of the violent breach of the US Capitol, conditions related to the COVID-19 pandemic, and conspiracy theories," the March 1, 2021 document claims.
Haines divides "domestic violent extremists," or DVEs, into three categories; a graphic of the U.S. Capitol building sits atop the category entitled "anti-government/anti-authority violent extremists." That particular brand of terrorist, according to the report, is driven by their "opposition to perceived economic, social, or racial hierarchies or perceived government overreach, negligence, or illegitimacy." (Perceived?)
Then FBI knew all about Ahmad Alawi Al Issa but did nothing. If only he had strung up a string noose or something.
Inga at 4:40 p.m.
Reasonable people would not accept such statements as fact but view them only as claims that await testing by the courts through the adversary process.
Inga, I do not think that statement should be interpreted as meaning that Sydney Powell now says “no reasonable person” could believe the election was stolen.
However, maybe you think that is a fair interpretation?
Anyone else notice Russia collusion Dead Ender Truther Inga has yet to produce a link to any QAnon postings even though she claims they are everywhere and everyone on the right knows it?
LOL
"Determining whether a statement is protected involves a two-step inquiry: Is the statement one which can be proved true or false? And would reasonable people conclude that the statement is one of fact, in light of its phrasing, context and the circumstances surrounding its publication," her lawyers told the court. "Analyzed under these factors, and even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact."
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/sidney-powell-dominion-defamation-lawsuit-voter-fraud/
Earnest Prole, please provide a relevant link about Sidney Powell.
I take it you don't yet have that new "Google Websearch" software installed on your mainframe?
If the Daily Mail is to be believed (it’s certainly proved to be more reliable than the New York Times), QAnon is some guy who likes anime and lives either in the Philippines or Japan.
I’m beginning to suspect many Althouse commenters still live in their mother’s basement.
We are frogs in a pot with government gradually increasing the heat until it's too late and suddenly we're all cooked.
Inga, put me down with the others here who know of QAnon only what has been said by the MSM. The impression I get is that Lefties know (or purport to know) far more about QAnon than people on the Right do. Maybe that's Lefties showing off their (as they think) superior social acumen; or maybe it's Lefties making shit up for the hell of it. Who knows? I certainly don't.
It's the same with a lot of these Lefty conspiracy memes. You know, if you take the layout of the stage at CPAC and turn it upside down, it looks like a rune used as a symbol for this one branch of the SS! You know, when that dude uses the "OK" sign, it's really meant as "WP," white power. Not "the circle game," or even (Heaven forfend!) "OK." You know, this eagle looks just like the Nazi eagle! (Also like the Polish eagle, and like any number of American symbols that have an eagle in them; why, it's almost as though it were the national bird or something, all these eagles.) &c. It's preposterous, how that gang goes searching for secret symbols. And finding them, too, and decoding them with no apparent effort, whereas I have to break out my Secret Nazi Decoder Ring every time.
Earnest Prole said...
Why it’s almost as though she’s talking out both sides of her mouth.
Or it's like you're full of sh!t, and making things up.
Which is why the request for the link
On Ernest Prole’s link to the Daily Mail, it speaks of a 6 part HBO documentary on QAnon. Since so many here actually do or claim to know very little about this entity, maybe you folks should educate yourselves, because there are SO many things that people have claimed or repeated here in these comments threads that seem to come directly from the QAnon belief system. How curious.
Or it's like you're full of sh!t, and making things up. Which is why the request for the link.
Step 1: Install that new "Google Websearch" software on your mainframe
Step 2: Type “Sidney Powell” and “no reasonable person” into its search field
Step 3: Click Return
Was that really so hard?
Inga, IIRC just the other day you yourself attributed one commenter's scenario (I think it was Harris resigning, Trump replacing Harris, and then Biden himself resigning) to QAnon, while the guy in question said that he had never read QAnon, and in fact had just made up his (wildly improbable, IMO) scenario himself.
So who're we gonna believe? Inga, who knows all things QAnon, and so knows that we're all in the bad nasty conspiracy!, or the guy who says, what do you think you're doing, attributing to Q what I clearly just made up myself?
maybe you folks should educate yourselves, because there are SO many things that people have claimed or repeated here in these comments threads
Mostly by you lefties. Why would I be interested in anything you say or do?
Inga at 5:16 PM
... even assuming, arguendo, that each of the statements alleged in the complaint could be proved true or false, no reasonable person would conclude that the statements were truly statements of fact.
Yes, the statements are statements of opinion.
I do not see anything remarkable in this argument.
I do not see this as some admission that Powell has retracted her opinion about anything at all.
More on the real terrorist threat the FBI has ignored.
Earnest Prole at 6:15 PM
Step 1: Install that new "Google Websearch" software on your mainframe
Step 2: Type “Sidney Powell” and “no reasonable person” into its search field
Step 3: Click Return
Earnest Prole, I now recognize belatedly that you are someone whom I should ignore in the future.
“So who're we gonna believe? Inga, who knows all things QAnon, and so knows that we're all in the bad nasty conspiracy!, or the guy who says, what do you think you're doing, attributing to Q what I clearly just made up myself?”
I don’t claim to know all things Q, but apparently I do know more about them than many here CLAIM to know. The media has been writing and doing research on Q for at least three years. If you folks would actually try reading more than just right wing based publications maybe you’d be better informed. I don’t for a minute believe you folks don’t know as little about this group as you claim to. Yes it would be embarrassing to admit to being a QANON believer and that could account for some of the denial here by conservative commenters.
And the guy you speak of who claimed that his idea was completely his own, well maybe, maybe not. Strange how his idea was very much like a QAnon idea recently put forth by QAnon followers after the March 3rd Trump Re-Inauguration failed.
Earnest Prole, I now recognize belatedly that you are someone whom I should ignore in the future.
As I sang on my underrated third (or was it fourth?) album, "Doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you." But seriously, you have a machine in your hands that allows you to verify stuff for yourself in a matter of seconds, but it does require curiosity to deploy properly.
“As I sang on my underrated third (or was it fourth?) album, "Doesn't mean that much to me to mean that much to you."”
N.Y?
Nah. Too good to be true.
...So said attorneys for Republican lawyer Sidney Powell as they sought dismissal of a $1.3 billion defamation lawsuit against Powell...
This so mind bendingly stupid it veers into halarity.
Now trolls are using pleadings in a civil lawsuit with no context as some sort of evidence of...what exactly?
Inga, so now we're all really QAnon believers, we're just not admitting it b/c we're too "ashamed"? I am sorry, but we are veering so far into "unfalsifiable" territory that I think we're already smack in the middle of it.
How could that fellow's implausible scenario for Trump becoming POTUS again possibly be "very much like" an idea "put forth by QAnon followers?" It was very short and swift, no moving parts: (1) Harris resigns as VP; (2) Trump replaces Harris as VP; (3) Biden resigns, and Trump is now POTUS. Sounds, as I said, like a fever dream to me; but unless the QAnon version you have in mind has those three elements in that order, it just cannot be "very much like" what the commenter here laid out. Those are the elements. That is the order they go in. If your version doesn't have the same elements in the same order, it is not "very much like" this version. Case closed.
Inga, you can't expect us both to claim no knowledge of QAnon and then to sit still while you accuse us of "really" knowing all about it and only "CLAIMing" ignorance. You send us to a six-part HBO series (!) to learn what you claim we already know. Sorry, but I really don't find this dreck sufficiently interesting to aspire to be as well up on it as you obviously are.
Sometimes, you know, that eagle is just an eagle, and that "OK" sign is just an "OK" sign. I'm for sanity. How 'bout you?
Earnest Prole said...
Was that really so hard?
It's not difficult. It's just generally pointless. Because the person making the BS claim will then deny that the article you found was the article they're talking about..
in this case, what Powell is saying is that her statements were "opinion", not "fact". And that therefore she can't be sued for libel for saying them.
Which is entirely different from saying that "no reasonable person" would believe what she said, or agree with her.
So, as expected, you are indeed full of sh!t.
The open question is, are you a liar, or just an ignoramus?
‘Inga, so now we're all really QAnon believers, we're just not admitting it b/c we're too "ashamed"”
Did I say you ALL were QAnon? No, I didn’t. I didn’t even say most of you were QAnon followers. I am saying that a lot of what has been said here by some Trumpists has been also pushed by QAnon. Perhaps some of you repeating this stuff don’t even realize that. The QAnon stuff gets repeated so far and wide it becomes mainstreamed and gets repeated by people who have no idea it originated from QAnon.
You people really should be better informed.
in this case, what Powell is saying is that her statements were "opinion", not "fact". And that therefore she can't be sued for libel for saying them.
Next she'll be telling us there's no such thing as Truth and therefore she can't be charged with perjury.
"I am saying that a lot of what has been said here by some Trumpists has been also pushed by QAnon."
-- Hitler, too, had a dog.
So, for the people saying that Sidney Powell's claims are libel/slander... as a quick gut check and consistency check: Where did you stand on all the people who wrote about the Covington Kid being a racist?
“Federal prosecutors can charge people suspected of conspiring to overthrow the government with seditious conspiracy; the statute allows for charges of conspiring to “oppose by force the authority” of the government or to use force “to prevent, hinder or delay the execution of any law of the United States.””
-- So, you agree all the people who sieged the White House are seiditious conspirators who should also be hauled in, right?
Inga,
I am saying that a lot of what has been said here by some Trumpists has been also pushed by QAnon.
Yes, and did you know that Hitler was a vegetarian? If Q says oatmeal is a great breakfast food, will you forswear oatmeal, b/c Q said it?
I am sorry that you are so dissatisfied with "[us] people" (!). I am sorry that I am so ill-informed that it would take six episodes of an HBO series to set me straight.
If "some of [us] repeating this stuff" need to be "educated" on where our apparently independently-derived ideas come from, perhaps the provenance of the ideas might not -- dare I say this? -- matter so very much. Like Hitler's vegetarianism, you know. If I want to become a vegetarian (I do not, at present), it will be because of ideas that have convinced me, rather than because some rabid Austrian warlord who died decades before I was born had the same idea.
Michelle, calm down. Don’t internalize things that are said that are not directed at you personally. You are not representative of every commenter here.
The QAnon stuff gets repeated so far and wide it becomes mainstreamed and gets repeated by people who have no idea it originated from QAnon.
Do you have any capacity to reason?
"gets repeated far and wide"
By WHO? Leftists. It "becomes mainstreamed" by the mainstream propagandists. Why? It's a strawman. Erected by the propagandists to tear down. Claiming some mystical power to debunk something they themselves are promoting.
I am NOT saying q does not exist. I am saying the mainstream propagandist have elevated q to some mystical position so they can take q down(something that was never 'up').
strawman: a weak or imaginary opposition (such as an argument or adversary) set up only to be easily confuted.
Our gracious host has been documenting for more than a year the dishonesty of the media, their outright lies, and their constant, never ending 'narrative setting' agenda.
Why is it impossible for you to see this?
Inga, I don't see why not. You are deliberately vague about who you are attacking, and I don't see any particular reason why I ought to be immune from your scalpel. How am I to guess who are your "real" targets, when you don't give me any means to do so?
As for my not being "representative" -- well, I am assuming that you aren't attacking Howard or Arturo or Chuck or Freder. The rest of us are all, in a sense, ranged against you -- not like a literal army, but like people who disagree with what you are saying here. (I give you props, btw, for sticking it out, rather than sniping from the bushes like some of your colleagues.) Some of us disagree amongst ourselves a good deal, too -- don't ask me to figure out what's going on between J Farmer or Shouting Thomas and others. If you want to lump me in anywhere, I think I belong with Dust Bunny Queen. And Yancey Ward. And Bruce Hayden.
But that's the thing. There are a fair number of us, and we can't have any clue who you're attacking unless you tell us.
“Our gracious host has been documenting for more than a year the dishonesty of the media, their outright lies, and their constant, never ending 'narrative setting' agenda.”
I suspect our gracious host parts company from some of you who stubbornly have your heads in the sand, who cling to the narrative on the right and would never ever even consider that their narratives aren’t as dishonest as some on the left. That’s why she can reliably be considered a moderate, unlike you.
“I think I belong with Dust Bunny Queen. And Yancey Ward. And Bruce Hayden.”
Bruce Hayden, the guy that said this?
“Do I think that there is anything wrong with what Q has done, or continues to do? Hell no. Q (and his Anons) was one of the strongest forces against the gross abuse of government power by Deep State actors, violating their oaths of office by trying to destroy Trump’s Presidency. That they continue to stand up to these same power mad bureaucrats, like the slime ball here, just increases my respect for them.”
Really, Michelle, you belong with Bruce? He believes QAnon is real and is a force for good, you agree with this?
OkyDoky then.
Here is one of Bruce’s QAnon heroes.
“Wisconsin QAnon believer shot paintball gun at Army Reserve members in Pewaukee, threatened 'mass casualty' event, prosecutors say
https://www.jsonline.com/story/news/local/2021/03/21/wisconsin-qanon-believer-charged-shooting-army-base/4789701001/
“I am ready for this. How many people need to die for a message to get across,” he said, according to the complaint.
He also told intake staff at the Waukesha County Jail that he would "cause mass casualty" if he were released, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court.
Olson, who owns armor-piercing bullets and several guns, has been charged in both the Waukesha County Circuit Court and the Eastern District of Wisconsin.”
https://www.wisn.com/article/wisconsin-qanon-backer-accused-of-firing-paintballs-at-soldiers/35895484#
“PEWAUKEE, Wis. —
Authorities say a Wisconsin QAnon supporter arrested Friday for allegedly firing paintball rounds at two reservists in Pewaukee recently traveled to Washington, D.C., and promised violence there.
Prosecutors said Ian Alan Olson, 31, of Nashotah, drove a car spray-painted with QAnon slogans to the Wisconsin Army Reserve Center on March 15 and shouted, "This is for America" before firing two or three paintball rounds at the soldiers.
His gun then jammed.
The rounds did not hit the reservists.
One of the men, who was an off-duty Sheriff's deputy, tackled Olson and held him on the ground until police arrived.
About 200 reservists were on the base at the time of the attack.
"What drew everybody's attention, the spray painted markings on it, big Q and a bullseye on the roof of the car and other statements that were spray painted on it," Police Chief Timothy Heier said. "When the shots were fired, they were fired very close, whizzing by, although they're paintballs. It was by their face and actually struck a canvas hut that was in a fenced in area."
Olson was about 15 yards from the troops.
"Very concerning for the members who wouldn't know if this was a live gun or in this case it was paintballs," Heier said.
Olson was charged in federal court with attacking U.S. servicemen on account of their service and assaulting officers.”
Here’s a very interesting list of those arrested. How many Althouse commenters identify with these people?
Capitol riot arrests: See who's been charged across the U.S.
“Federal prosecutors continue to charge participants in the riot at the Capitol on Jan. 6, adding to dozens of arrests that took place in Washington D.C. that day.
USA TODAY is gathering details of those cases as the FBI continues to identify the people responsible for the attack that left five people dead and sent lawmakers and Vice President Mike Pence fleeing to shelter.
Included are those arrested on charges federal prosecutors have filed since the riot, and those arrested by Capitol Police and D.C. Metro Police for entering the Capitol or for crimes related to weapons or violence. Check back for updates.”
The interview may have been improper.
https://twitter.com/KlasfeldReports/status/1374462126413156361
Surprised the former law professor did not catch that.
Meh they had to make up crimes while an actual terrorist was on the prowl.
“Prosecutors said Ian Alan Olson, 31, of Nashotah, drove a car spray-painted with QAnon slogans to the Wisconsin Army Reserve Center on March 15 and shouted, "This is for America" before firing two or three paintball rounds at the soldiers.”
This is your Q conspiracy? That some poor smack who followed Q tried to shoot soldiers with paint balls that were intentionally designed to not injure anyone hit by them. Millions probably follow Q, and one idiot did something that was stupid, but not really dangerous.
“This is your Q conspiracy? That some poor smack who followed Q tried to shoot soldiers with paint balls that were intentionally designed to not injure anyone hit by them. Millions probably follow Q, and one idiot did something that was stupid, but not really dangerous.”
Hell no, he’s simply a dupe of QAnon who could actually have done damage had he used some of those fancy bullets he had instead of a malfunctioning paint gun, because he believed that QAnon nonsense.
“He also told intake staff at the Waukesha County Jail that he would "cause mass casualty" if he were released, according to a criminal complaint filed in federal court.
Olson, who owns armor-piercing bullets and several guns, has been charged in both the Waukesha County Circuit Court and the Eastern District of Wisconsin.”
“ Really, Michelle, you belong with Bruce? He believes QAnon is real and is a force for good, you agree with this? ”
Why do you believe that Q and his Anons don’t exist, or that they aren’t a force for good?
“Why do you believe that Q and his Anons don’t exist, or that they aren’t a force for good?”
Oh the Anons exist all right. Q is a figment of their imaginations and they are a self perpetuating conspiracy addicted people who can’t see reality if it hit them upside the head.
How are QAnon a force for good when they accuse innocent people of sacrificing babies and eating them and drinking their blood? Seriously?! How about QAnons obsession with revolution? How about QAnon’s ridiculous notion that Trump will be re- inaugurated before Jan.1st? First it was March 4th, now Jan.? Q Anon is already saying the Colorado shooting was a false flag operation ( see Newsweek) Good lord. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg.
Let me add to the last - I know that someone, or some group, calling himself/themselves “Q”, exists, or at least existed, because I have seen a number of their posts. Ditto for the Anons. Maybe it was all a computer generated hoax. But it didn’t have the feel (I.e. it would have passed the Touring Test). Haven’t really seen any Q posts since the election - most of the action seems to have moved to Signal, which I find exhausting.
“How are QAnon a force for good when they accuse innocent people of sacrificing babies and eating them and drinking their blood? Seriously?! How about QAnons obsession with revolution? How about QAnon’s ridiculous notion that Trump will be re- inaugurated before Jan.1st? First it was March 4th, now Jan.? Q Anon is already saying the Colorado shooting was a false flag operation ( see Newsweek) Good lord. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg.”
It very much looks like the CO shooter was a Muslim terrorist. Not a white supremest. The obsession on revolution is a direct result of your side stealing the 2020 Presidential election, as well as probably at least 3 Senate seats. Only someone who closed their eyes, plugged their ears, and keeps saying “La! La! La!” Would deny that the election was blatantly, and very illegally, stolen. The evidence keeps piling up and accumulating. What is the remedy for a stolen Presidency and Senate?
But another problem is that the violence so far has been so heavily one sided. The Dems, the left, etc are focused on Q and his Anons, because they want to distract the public first from the reality that their power was stolen from the American people, that they are doing a horrendous and atrocious job at governing with that power, and the real threat of violence, all along, has been on the left, with AntiFA, BLM, etc, as well as our mortal geopolitical enemies such as Red China, Russia, and Iran. Please, Please, look at all those violent QAnon followers (who failed in their attempt to shoot intentionally non dangerous paint balls at the soldiers), and don’t notice that the Biden Administration is again crowding illegals into cages, shredding the COVID-19 social distancing, and masking rules imposed on the rest of us with the illegals caught crossing the borders, initiating a superspreader event by throwing COVID-19 infected illegals in with the uninfected, packed cheek to jowl, then, after they are infected, putting them on busses and planes, and shipping them to the rest of the states, etc. Meanwhile unemployment and inflation are climbing, we are heading into a major recession, made worse by trillions in borrowed money flushed down the drain in order to greatly enrich Dem politicians, their families, and their cronies, with their skim, as well as, apparently raising the costs of capital formation, and destroying family farms. But look, look, at those dangerous QAnons!!!
It’s called yelling Squirrel.
Q Anon is already saying the Colorado shooting was a false flag operation ( see Newsweek) Good lord. And that’s only the tip of the iceberg.
q is falsely elevated to a much higher level of influence than any evidence exists to support, so obviously you quote Newsweek to support your latest q fever dream.
Honestly when I think we have reached top stupid, someone says hold my beer.
“q is falsely elevated to a much higher level of influence than any evidence exists to support, so obviously you quote Newsweek to support your latest q fever dream.”
They desperately need a boogie man to direct all their hate against (because, yes, the left are the real haters, which is why they project this trait of theirs on the right). Q and his Anons are easy targets because they are, by necessity, hidden fairly well. I doubt that even 1% of the country has ever read a real Q post, and if they have, it was likely taken out of context by a leftist Q hating “journalist” trying to destroy their reputation. Few here, even, could even find raw Q posts and first level Anon analysis. Much of that is a result of the Deep State spender the last 4+ years deplatforming Q and his Anon’s first level analysis. Throughout Trump’s tenure in office, they would be operating one place, the Deep State and their media partners would get them shut down there, and they would then pop up elsewhere in short order. Finding them often seemed like word of mouth - don’t think of using Google to do it - Google, in particular, seems to work hard at keeping people away from Q.
Earnest Prole said...
Me: in this case, what Powell is saying is that her statements were "opinion", not "fact". And that therefore she can't be sued for libel for saying them.
Next she'll be telling us there's no such thing as Truth and therefore she can't be charged with perjury.
Ah, so you understood you were lying, and now you're doubling down on it
“ Next she'll be telling us there's no such thing as Truth and therefore she can't be charged with perjury.”
I would expect that defamation was more the concern. Lawyers puff a lot in their cases, though in an actual trial, you had better stick with the truth.
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