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Look how the Pennsylvania polls ended.

Specifics here, but look at those lines:
I do think Pennsylvania will determine the outcome. 

Perhaps it all depends on how black people in Philadelphia feel today. 

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Humperdink म्हणाले...

The PA AG has already called it for Bide’n. He further stated if Trump wins he cheated. Totally irresponsible.

MayBee म्हणाले...

Trump ran some really nice ads obviously aimed at young black men during the football games here in MI this weekend. I bet they ran in PA, too.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

It’s tough when the incumbent isn’t over 50%, but on the other hand, Wikileaks showed us a little inside baseball on how Democrats cook the media polls. It’s hard to believe that the momentum will not carry over into the voting booth.

R C Belaire म्हणाले...

Well, since Pennsylvania's AG has already stated that Trump will lose, I suppose we should prepare for a Harris/Biden administration.

rehajm म्हणाले...

That average includes some olderm questionable big D+ polls too...

The theory is- if FL goes over three percent for Trump he also wins PA and MI. The states flow together.

I think Trump gets MI so PA won't matter. Michiganders have had their taste of totalitarianism. Also the big colleges are locked down...

MountainMan म्हणाले...

Powerline: Election Eve Positivity

CStanley म्हणाले...

Bigly Mo!

richlb म्हणाले...

If they feel like they love freedom and prosperity they turn out in high numbers for Trump. As I've said elsewhere, the reason why the NeverTrumpers don't matter is because they have been replaced by black and Latino voters.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

Once I discovered that the various polling operations are actually talking to only about 2% of the people they attempt to reach, I stopped believing the polls. As a mathematician, I suggest that you do likewise, Althouse,

Jersey Fled म्हणाले...

From the NYT:

“Troubling for Mr. Biden in a different way is the fact that he has not yet matched Mrs. Clinton’s share of support in Philadelphia proper. Averaging the results of the two recent polls, he has the backing of 73 percent of Philadelphia voters, down from 83 percent for Mrs. Clinton in 2016. According to the Times/Siena poll, Mr. Trump was supported by 24 percent of Philadelphians, nine points ahead of his exit poll numbers in 2016.”

iowan2 म्हणाले...

I posted overnight, pundits of all stripes, have signaled in every way imaginable that President Trump will have more honest votes than Biden, cast by the deadline. The only question is how much vote fraud will happen and if it will be enough for Democrats.

Darrell म्हणाले...

Biden loses. So sorry!

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

https://twitter.com/jordylancaster/status/1322271791411273735

Left Bank of the Charles म्हणाले...

I remember that in 2000 the election was supposed to be decided in Michigan but ended up being decided in Florida.

PhilaGuy म्हणाले...

Black people use their intelligence and life experience to make voting choices just as much as everyone else. "Feelings" shows bias.

Nichevo म्हणाले...

In Philadelphia it is breezy with a bit of a chill, though clear. People may not tolerate long lines, though these may be lessened by all the early voting. Those who do will tend to be the committed. Let's see how that breaks, I guess. An opportunity to judge the power of Democratic whips.

Sally327 म्हणाले...

I think it all comes down to whether or not there is the anticipated election day voting that the GOP is counting on, whether it be in PA or anywhere else.

Otherwise, how "black people feel"? Come on, man, you can't mean that the way it comes across, seriously. As in, no thought process, just emotion, that's how Black people vote?




Humperdink म्हणाले...

PA voter here. Polls open at 7AM. Got in a long line (outside) at 6:45. 30 degrees. Instructed to maintain 6' social distance, which turned into 3' as we approached to the door.

Weird voting process. Touch screen voting. When finished, the final instruction was to print a paper ballot and drop into the ballot box. Huh? What are they going count? The touch screen tally or the paper ballots. We've come full circle.

PA AG Josh Shapiro should be impeached for implying voter fraud if Trump wins before the election.

Harsh Pencil म्हणाले...

Maybe it depends on how working class ethnic WHITE people in Philadelphia feel today. Rioting pretty near them.

Sebastian म्हणाले...

"Perhaps it all depends on how black people in Philadelphia feel today."

Perhaps it all depends on how Dems count how black people in Philadelphia vote.

PB म्हणाले...

Depends on the unpostmarked, unmatched digniture, ballots submitted after the election.

Ralph L म्हणाले...

The Ocean Spray/TikTok poll says landslide coming down.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Trump's in luck then. They'll accept PA votes after the election, well after the lines cross.

Birkel म्हणाले...

Pennsylvania is the Democraticals' #1 target for stealing an election.
But it will not matter overall.

Democraticals cannot win.
The votes that have arrived leave Trump with a massive advantage likely to be expanded today.
The MSM and tech billionaires (birm) can throw a hissy got.

Fuck them.

Justoneguy म्हणाले...

Voted in Virginia this morning. Never seen the polling place so deserted. Even though Trump has closed with Biden, two-thirds of the people have voted so what the polls say today isn't very relevant. I'm predicted Biden by a healthy margin.

rehajm म्हणाले...

RCP trends and averages have long favored Democrats because the polling included has long favored them and because revisions to the averages and cutoffs never keep pace with the "tightening".

meep म्हणाले...

This is not about Pennsylvania specifically, but the polls.

I saw some polls yesterday saying Biden has a 10-point lead nationwide. Seems to me, if that's linked to actual voting results, there should be a Biden landslide. The result should be clear.

What was Hillary's margin back in 2016, hmm?

https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/meet-the-press/why-biden-s-poll-lead-different-hillary-clinton-s-n1243837

Oh yeah, up 10.

How did that work out?

538's forecast is even more lopsided for Biden than it was for Clinton in 2016:
https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/2020-election-forecast/?cid=rrpromo

I remember the 2016 forecast being 20% for Trump, and people complaining that was too high. Now they've got 10% for Trump. They know better than to make it 0%, at least.

If the pollsters and pundits are correct, then we don't have to worry about the 2000-scenario, because Biden will be a clear winner tonight. And yes, the pollsters will continue on till their next big flub.

My main point is that should the pollsters whiff this big-time again, can they just go away? They've been giving bad info for a decade. Who the hell wants to pay for this crap? I would love not to hear from Nate Silver again.



tcrosse म्हणाले...

It's not who votes. It's who counts the votes.

ThreeSheets म्हणाले...

"Weird voting process. Touch screen voting. When finished, the final instruction was to print a paper ballot and drop into the ballot box. Huh? What are they going count? The touch screen tally or the paper ballots. We've come full circle. "

We have that in Chicago too. I think the point is to stop fraud. The computer tabulated votes should equal the paper counted votes. Harder to stuff a ballot box or hack the machine when they need to match.

AllenS म्हणाले...

The polls ended with those people willing to be polled. Nothing more than that.

Mike (MJB Wolf) म्हणाले...

Momentum baby!

gilbar म्हणाले...

gilbar's unhappy prediction
Jo Biden end up winning, with 103% of registered voters picking him

narciso म्हणाले...

philadelphia out votes the state, so you end up with governor wolf and his health director out of escape from la,

TRISTRAM म्हणाले...

Cold. And windy. They feel cold and windy.

DavidUW म्हणाले...

It mostly depends on how black people in Philly feel today.

Tomorrow it'll depend on how many of those who didn't vote suddenly "found" their ballot, with the help of the friendly election official canvassing all the non voters.

Rory म्हणाले...

"Otherwise, how "black people feel"? Come on, man, you can't mean that the way it comes across, seriously."

I think that the blogger was referencing Black People Standard Time Syndrome.

rwnutjob म्हणाले...

A new study reports 100% of Americans like taking polls, answer the phone from unknown callers, and are home right now.

rwnutjob म्हणाले...

"We should be unfaithful to ourselves if we should ever lose sight of the danger to our liberties if anything partial or extraneous should infect the purity of our free, fair, virtuous, and independent elections."
~John Adams (1797)

DavidUW म्हणाले...

Mail-in/early voting final areas for Biden:

WI: Milwaukee North side. He doesn't turn out another 100k votes there, despite what the polls say, I'm having trouble seeing how he wins WI.

MI: I still say Biden looks ok here. No clear underperformance in the urban areas around Detroit.

PA: Underperforming significantly in Philly. Trump could win by more than the margin of fraud. we'll see.

MN: Ilhan Omar manufacturing plenty of illegal immigrant votes, Biden wins.

NV: gonna be a squeaker. Biden underperforming Vegas but are there physically enough rural votes to put Trump over the top. I still say that's the surprise flip this election.

FL: Biden is toast.

NC: Biden is toast.

AZ: Biden is toast.

Martin म्हणाले...

I think that Pennsylvania will end up not mattering.

Michael K म्हणाले...

The leftist Penn Supreme Court will get its say in the end.

Scott म्हणाले...

"Perhaps it all depends on how black people in Philadelphia feel today."

There are Black neighborhoods in Philadelphia that have registered literally no GOP votes in election after election. And all the usual suspects scream that in spite of this, there is no evidence of fraud in polling there.

But this election, we know that a lot of younger Black men will be voting for Trump. If there are still no Republican votes in these wards, the voter fraud argument will be much stronger.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

"I remember that in 2000 the election was supposed to be decided in Michigan but ended up being decided in Florida.”

I remember in 2000 there was a survey of students at Marquette that asked them if they had voted twice and the number of people who *actually answered the survey* was large enough to have flipped the state for Gore. Not even extrapolating out the number. If Bush had won Wisconsin due to the votes being fairly counted, Florida would not have mattered.

JAORE म्हणाले...

Lotta battlespace prep for a Trump win being contested.

Never concede
PA AG declaring the winner
Plans to riot in DC discovered, but it will be Boogaloo Boys, of course
Lots of Trump won't leave (BS) stories

The rubes (my brother among them) believe to totally

mikee म्हणाले...

Philly is where 100% of the votes, representing 120% of all registered voters in several precincts, can be given to Biden by the local voting officials. This will not be enough this time. Trump 300+ tonight, next week, and the week after that.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

"The theory is- if FL goes over three percent for Trump he also wins PA and MI. The states flow together. “

But no, Nate Silver assured me that they are like individual coin tosses.

Rory म्हणाले...

Would appreciate things to say to the deranged if Trump should prevail. One good one, for social media, is to post without comment Jonathan Swift's: "When a true genius appears in the world, you may know him by this sign, that the dunces are all in confederacy against him." Send the deranged up a wall, without even mentioning any names.

The other is for a one-on-one: "Go look in a mirror - you're the one who did this. By giving up your independent judgement, you gave the crooks in your party the freedom to nominate someone like Biden. And that's why you lost."

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

Here’s something weird. Driving through a suburban West Palm Beach neighborhood the yard signs were exclusively Trump, including more than a couple that said “Just say NO to Joe and the Ho” but at the polling place there were a dozen Biden signs and not a single Trump sign.

I think that the voters there will see it just for what it is, the Biden paid election workers took all of the Trump signs before daylight and planted Biden signs. So on net, it just helps Trump.

Chuck म्हणाले...

There was a time when I thought I would have to dig back into long-ago posts to find Althouse commenters confidently predicting a big win for Trump. Makes it easier for me, to see it going on this morning.

I'm Full of Soup म्हणाले...

Here in PA Montgomery County, they have consolidated polling places due to Wuhan flu. I was going to go at the crack of dawn but rolled over and went back to bed. Now I will try on my lunch break. I drove by one other polling location on the way to work. There were at least 60 people in line outside and it's a chilly 45 degrees here. I'll email you some pictures Althouse and you can post if you'd like.

phwest म्हणाले...

We have a variant on that in PA - the normal process is to fill out a ballot and then have it scanned. If you request it, you can go to a machine which will generate a printed ballot that you then put through the optical scanner that everyone else uses.

For reference, the line at the opening was a bit shorter than 2016 (which was the longest I've seen in 20+ years at my station), but quite strong given the presumption that there were a significant number of early voters. There were a few folks there with their mail-in ballots to run them through instead. Strongly D jurisdiction (side note - I think I may have seen 1 Trump sign in town, although there are more than a few for the Republican House candidate. Make of that what you will).

Clayton Hennesey म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse sez: "Perhaps it all depends on how black people in Philadelphia feel today."

Perhaps.

Michael K sez: "The leftist Penn Supreme Court will get its say in the end."

It already has.

From https://www.americanthinker.com/articles/2020/11/the_cure_for_pennsylvanias_mailin_ballots.html

"So under the court’s new ruling, signatures need not match for mail-in voters, but in-person voters must continue to provide signatures that match what’s on file with the state. I.e., signatures are verified for in-person voters, but not for mail-in voters. Therefore, in-person voters are held to a higher, more rigorous standard than mail-in voters."

"The state Supreme Court disagreed, ruling Sept. 17 to extend the deadline for ballots to be counted as valid through Nov. 6. The court said ballots that “lack a postmark or other proof of mailing, or for which the postmark or other proof of mailing is illegible” will be “presumed to have been mailed by Election Day” unless proven otherwise."

So Trump's remarkable rally in Butler, PA is really irrelevant, as are probably the feelings of Philadelphia blacks as well.

What will decide the presidential winner of Pennsylvania will be which party is able to submit the greater number of accepted mail-in ballots after Election Day.

It's a shame this couldn't be turned into a fun event for children, like Easter.

Jersey Fled म्हणाले...

Waiting for the inevitable news stories from Philadelphia.

Republican poll watchers arrive at polling place.

They are denied access on some pretext.

They petition the court for access. Strangely, none of the judges can be found.

Several hours go by during which votes are "counted"

Judge finally is found and Republican poll watcher is admitted.

Birkel म्हणाले...

After all the criticism of bad reporting, you still allow yourself to believe what the MSM has lied to you.

Murray Gell-Mann needs a word.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

I mentioned my hometown, Butler, PA yesterday and the absolutely huge crowd Trump attracted there which was more than 4 times the population of the city. Tucker Carlson did a whole segment on it, and it was incredible. He hit all the important points and explained perfectly why all those people turned out in that small town for that man who seems to be nothing like the people who live there.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

"So under the court’s new ruling, signatures need not match for mail-in voters, but in-person voters must continue to provide signatures that match what’s on file with the state. I.e., signatures are verified for in-person voters, but not for mail-in voters. Therefore, in-person voters are held to a higher, more rigorous standard than mail-in voters.”

Bush v Gore came down to exactly this type of equal protection problem. They only did recounts in heavily pro Gore precincts and stopped recounting in Dade when they got to precincts that were more Bush friendly. This was because the older precincts with the lower numbers tended to be in the center of the city and more heavily Democrat. I guess they just got tired when it became time to count the Bush friendly suburbs.

TJM म्हणाले...

RealFakePolitics averages are garbage in, garbage out. Trafalgar has Trump winning PA

Doug म्हणाले...

Black people use their intelligence and life experience to make voting choices just as much as everyone else. "Feelings" shows bias.

History shows otherwise - up'til now, the (lowercase b)lack vote has been monolithic ... and democrat.

I have great how that this unfortunate trend is about to change. Bigly.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

Blogger Chuck said...
There was a time when I thought I would have to dig back into long-ago posts to find Althouse commenters confidently predicting a big win for Trump. Makes it easier for me, to see it going on this morning.


Supposing your side wins Chuck, and Biden packs the SCOTUS, the press completely suppresses any news stories negative to Democrats and makes up whatever they want about Republicans, and the vast majority of Republicans, “vast majority” doesn’t even cover it, know they have been betrayed by the likes of you and the neocons over at The Bulwark, who is going to make up the voters of this “Republican Party” you plan to rebuild.

I won’t be one of them. Promise you that. You have a vision of a tiny Republican Party that can only win in certain states and never threaten a Democrat hold on national office.

Justoneguy म्हणाले...

There's a statistician that I follow, smart guy, who predicts Biden with 96% probability. Predicted Clinton by 70% in 2016. Hard to believe he would be off by that much.

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Good news so far is that thousands of lawyers have high paying jobs again. Happy days are here again.

Mike of Snoqualmie म्हणाले...

President Thomas Dewey was not available for comment about the reliability of the polls.

Old and slow म्हणाले...

Here in Yavapai county Arizona we fill in little ovals on a paper ballot to indicate our selections, then drop it in a box. As it should be done. It was a beautiful rainy morning. In Arizona, that qualifies as a good omen.
I have had just about enough of this anticipation. Hoping for a Trump landslide, expecting the worst. Either way, it won't define my life. I've got better things to think about.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

More good news from PA

https://twitter.com/RealJamesWoods/status/1323499015942533120

narciso म्हणाले...

I gave up on Chuck, just like the good prosecutor, locked me out,

Ficta म्हणाले...

"You have a vision of a tiny Republican Party that can only win in certain states and never threaten a Democrat hold on national office."

Well, yeah, that is the pre-Trump republican party. Promise the rubes so sort of social values BS, make sure you never get a majority so you can always tell them "well, we tried, send us more money next time and it will happen for sure", then eat at nice restaurants in DC, go on TV a lot, sleep with your interns, etc. It was a good grift until Trump set the cat among the pigeons.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Harsh Pencil said...
Maybe it depends on how working class ethnic WHITE people in Philadelphia feel today. Rioting pretty near them.

Bingo.

Also whether those nice suburban women want the Philadelphia rioting to come to their homes, next. If they don't, they'll vote for Trump

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

Hi @justoneguy

Where in VA did you vote?

Temujin म्हणाले...

Trump has to win FL, NC, OH, MI, WI, AZ. Throw in MN for extra points.

Then PA will not be a factor at all and they can take a full month to diddle themselves.

Mike of Snoqualmie म्हणाले...

The members of the P.T. Barnum Project are former Republican consultants who no longer have a seat at the White House. They're just mad that they and their failed policies have been replaced with new people. Witness the peace deals in the Middle East and Kosovo/Serbia. They could never have achieved such successes.

Bay Area Guy म्हणाले...

My Mom's side of the family is from Western Penn. Grandpa Mike, and my uncles, and my cousins worked in the coal mines. It sucked.

They are a fascinating tribe. They are all union Dems. They are Polish/German/Austrian. They all hunt. They all fish. They all have pick-ups. They all curse a lot. They love football (the Steelers) and the NRA. They say the Pledge of Allegiance. Most parties/reunions/wedding receptions are at the American Legion Hall in Salzburg. For appetizers, they spread Cheese-Wiz on crackers. They loved Reagan, but not Bush. They drink American beer in copious amounts.

Impolite or insulting words lead to fist fights. Even among friends or family. But they make up quickly.

Ever see "The Deer Hunter" with Bobby DeNiro, Meryl Streep, Christopher Walken? That's them.

These folks love Trump. And they vote.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

"Hard to believe he would be off by that much.”

Systematic errors caused by groupthink can be huge. Higher math usually requires assumptions to be made to apply it to the real world, which is where the errors creep in.

Jack Klompus म्हणाले...

Which black people in Philadelphia? The ones who no longer have to live on the same block as Walter Wallace Jr? The ones whose businesses were vandalized and looted? The ones who are high ranking police officers on the PPD?

Mike of Snoqualmie म्हणाले...

The members of the P.T. Barnum Project are former Republican consultants who no longer have a seat at the White House. They're just mad that they and their failed policies have been replaced with new people. Witness the peace deals in the Middle East and Kosovo/Serbia. They could never have achieved such successes.

Jack Klompus म्हणाले...

"Maybe it depends on how working class ethnic WHITE people in Philadelphia feel today. Rioting pretty near them."

We're not pleased. Many Trump signs in the neighborhood once referred to as "Rizzo-crats."

Chuck म्हणाले...

Supposing your side wins Chuck, and Biden packs the SCOTUS, the press completely suppresses any news stories negative to Democrats and makes up whatever they want about Republicans, and the vast majority of Republicans, “vast majority” doesn’t even cover it, know they have been betrayed by the likes of you and the neocons over at The Bulwark, who is going to make up the voters of this “Republican Party” you plan to rebuild.

I won’t be one of them. Promise you that. You have a vision of a tiny Republican Party that can only win in certain states and never threaten a Democrat hold on national office.


We are going to see the "tiny" new Republican Party by the end of this week. It will be an official, office-holding party of Jim Jordan, Doug Collins (or maybe not), Daddy Matt Gaetz and Tom Cotton. Offices held by Trump loyalists in utterly safe seats. And they will be a super-minority. What Trump has wrought, in just four years. From the time that, in 2015, we Republicans held majorities in the House, the Senate, and statehouses all across the country. All gone, except in the most impervious deep-red zones. With no hope of expansion.

Static Ping म्हणाले...

The polls in 2016 were wrong. Badly wrong. Embarrassingly wrong.

From people who know things, it does not appear the pollsters have learned anything from that experience. If anything, they have double downed. The people who did learn things are coming up with very different conclusions.

We also have the phenomenon of people questioning polls by quoting other polls. That's not useful. All that proves is at least someone is wrong.

It should not surprise anyone that I find this graph utterly meaningless. Being a statistics nerd at heart, that should tell you something.

dreams म्हणाले...

Trump is going to win in a landslide, it isn't going to be close.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

Kevin McCullough@KMCRadio
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11h
The cracks are appearing: 2 new polls in @RealClearNewsavg show @realDonaldTrump taking the lead in Pennsylvania. @JoeBiden internals have shown this for about 7 days. @TrafalgarTalk & @DemocracyInst have both released final polls mirroring the same. Trump should win PA.

stlcdr म्हणाले...

I'm curious about who is interfering with the election, according to the media. Also, which 'designated voters' will go against the will of the people in the respective states.

Gk1 म्हणाले...

I was getting new tires this morning and was chatting with the shop owner and we were trying to puzzle out why just the blue cities are boarding up their retail shops if Biden is supposed to win?

Is it possible they know the polls are a bunch of crap and want to prepare once their voting block is disappointed after being told for the last 5 months there would be cake and ice cream November 4th? Why would a Biden win bring out rioters and civil unrest?

As for the polls the usual suspects will not pay any price for getting it wrong AGAIN. They will just blame it on covid and the "shy Trump voter" who they had no idea existed.... Because...why? How could any normal person admit to voting for Trump?!?!?

Francisco D म्हणाले...

Perhaps it all depends on how black people in Philadelphia feel today.

One thing to keep in mind is that Blacks are not as monolithically Democrat as the numbers suggest. The greatest vote fraud comes from the Black inner city. That fraud is not so much focused on the POTUS race as it is local offices where the graft is distributed. Thus, there are a lot of fraudulent straight Democrat votes in these areas.

That said, Trump's numbers among Black voters will be historically high relative to the last 8-10 elections, but they will not be 30% as some predict. If the reach 12% that would amaze me. I suspect that 12-15% Black vote for Trump will definitely win the election.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

Perhaps it all depends on how black people in Philadelphia feel today.

One thing to keep in mind is that Blacks are not as monolithically Democrat as the numbers suggest. The greatest vote fraud comes from the Black inner city. That fraud is not so much focused on the POTUS race as it is local offices where the graft is distributed. Thus, there are a lot of fraudulent straight Democrat votes in these areas.

That said, Trump's numbers among Black voters will be historically high relative to the last 8-10 elections, but they will not be 30% as some predict. If the reach 12% that would amaze me. I suspect that 12-15% Black vote for Trump will definitely win the election.

Brian म्हणाले...

From the time that, in 2015, we Republicans held majorities in the House, the Senate, and statehouses all across the country. All gone, except in the most impervious deep-red zones. With no hope of expansion.

If the Republicans had just "managed the decline" everything would have been different!

Just give in, with a smile though, so they still get invited to all the cool cocktail parties.

Chuck म्हणाले...

dreams said...
Trump is going to win in a landslide, it isn't going to be close.


Noted.

I just saw Trump doing a hastily-arranged thing at his Arlington VA campaign headquarters. It didn't look like the Death Star, Brad. Hope you work things out with the FBI, btw.

Trump looked and sounded defeated. Talking about how hard it is to lose. And that it is especially hard for him to lose.

Greg The Class Traitor म्हणाले...

tim in vermont said...
"Hard to believe he would be off by that much.”

Systematic errors caused by groupthink can be huge.


It's simpler than that: TDS is one hell of a drug, and it's destroyed a lot of previously high functioning minds.

And it's going to destroy some more this week, and over the next 4 years

Birkel म्हणाले...

When Nancy Pelosi hands off her ridiculously large gavel to Speaker of the House McCarthy, a certain fopdoodle will be sad.

And I will laugh and laugh and laugh.

You're a fool.

Birkel म्हणाले...

Remember, it is Biden's campaign manager who is talking about possible paths to 270 that include neither Pennsylvania not Florida.

They concocted the "Red Mirage" lie not to help Biden win, but to try to staunch the flipping of the House.
If Californians realize Trump is re-elected by 4pm PST, more House seats will flip back in OC and San Diego.

Nancy will never hold a leadership position in the House again.

Birkel म्हणाले...

How many seats do the Republicans add in the Senate?

I have the over/under at 1.5.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

Amish Trump Train.

https://twitter.com/45F0RLIFE/status/1323462879744528384

Chuck म्हणाले...
ब्लॉग प्रशासकाने ही टिप्पण्णी हटविली आहे.
Mike Petrik म्हणाले...

Ann,
You might be right that the outcome will turn on PA, but that assumes Trump takes FL which is in doubt. To be clear I think Trump will take FL (and NC, AZ OH and IA), but no one can be sure. But if I'm right, it is likely that all of PA, MI, WI and MN will be close and Trump could get to 270 if he prevails in any one of them. Your own WI, and MI too, will be called long before PA, and a Trump win would moot PA. Don't get me wrong, I'm not predicting WI either way -- just that it will be very close with an outcome known before PA, and if it tips to Trump then he would likely not need PA. And if it does tip to Trump that means that he'll have decent shots in MI and MN too.
Latest good polls show Trump taking IA easily, and it would be a bit odd for that to happen while he loses MN, WI, MI and PA. We'll know FL, WI and NH late tonight, and those outcomes and margins will tell us a lot.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

The rumor is that the Amish can muster 89K votes in PA

https://twitter.com/zerosum24/status/1323663241688551424

Francisco D म्हणाले...

Gk1 said...I was getting new tires this morning and was chatting with the shop owner and we were trying to puzzle out why just the blue cities are boarding up their retail shops if Biden is supposed to win?

They are going to riot UNTIL Biden wins.

There will be a ton of ballot challenges and we will not know the result tonight. The rioters will demand a Democrat victory and the DNC Media will demand that we accede in order to promote peace.

Another word for that is Blackmail

Drago म्हणाले...

LLR-lefty and #WhitmerFanboy Chuck: "Trump looked and sounded defeated."

LOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOLOL

Meanwhile, in the real world, we have the ever backsliding Biden-ettes offering up these little revealing nuggets:

Biden campaign manager Jen O'Malley Dillon: "We continue to have multiple pathways to 270 electoral votes" says they can win 270 even without PA and FL"

Wait, what? I thought Biden was up by a million kajillion percent in PA and it was going to be a cakewalk............hmmmmmm, so why did Dementia Joe feel the need to scoot back into Scranton, his fake hometown (fake, like "Dr" Jill) in order to beef up support?

Poor LLR-lefty Chuck. Is there even enough gin in all of Whitmer's re-election campaign headquarters to keep Chuck happy for the next 2 years?

Drago म्हणाले...

LLR-lefty Chuck: "From the time that, in 2015, we Republicans held majorities in the House, the Senate, and statehouses all across the country. All gone, except in the most impervious deep-red zones. With no hope of expansion."

LOL

OMG

LLR-lefty Chuck really does think he can resuscitate his fake "republican" "conservative" online persona, doesn't he?

Best joke I've seen all day! And that's saying something because I watched video of Biden's "rally" (gathering of 15 paid staffers) in PA this morning!

Drago म्हणाले...

BTW, did anyone else catch Keith Olberman going Full LLR-lefty Chuck with his Kunta Kinte comment on twitter?

LOL

It's like Keith was directly channeling LLR-lefty Chuck's racist slur against Ben Carson!

Of course, Olberman, unlike our own LLR-lefty Chuck, quickly realized how his clearly racist comment was and then deleted it! Whereas our LLR-lefty Chuck doubled and tripled down on his racist Ben Carson insult and to this day proudly claims it was an appropriate comment.

Because of course he does.

And, when you think about it, that racist comment LLR-lefty Chuck uttered against Ben Carson COMPLETELY explains LLR-lefty Chuck's rabid hatred of republican MI Senate candidate John James.

But only completely.

DavidUW म्हणाले...

Francisco, it's mathematically impossible for a democrat to win if he gets less than 85% of the black vote.

I mean ok ok, it's possible, but the flip required for other demographic groups is unrealistic.

tim in vermont म्हणाले...

Hey, It’s 420:

https://twitter.com/OrwellNGoode/status/1323727079821684736

Washington Post may need a hit.

Qwinn म्हणाले...

So I'm poll watching in Bucks County, PA, just outside Philly and the subject of that awful NY Times article that talked about the nearby Trump Store.. I'm told by the Dem poll watcher (nice guy, Marine) that this precinct is historically 70-30 in favor of Democrats.

Republicans have had the lead since half an hour after the poll opened. Last I checked it was 192 R, 180 D.

I think Trump wins PA easily absent Dem fraud, but Dem fraud is never absent.

Drago म्हणाले...

Birkel: "Nancy will never hold a leadership position in the House again."

Careful!!

That kind of comment can drive LLR-lefty Chuck back into Anger Management Therapy!

Qwinn म्हणाले...

Update: 217 R, 210 D. Turnout well over 60% already, typically around 40% total. Dem poll watcher says he's never seen a line at night in 37 years, and there's still one going now. A LOT of the Republican voters my wife has talked to are first time voters.

Martin म्हणाले...

More likely it wil depend on who counts the votes in Phila., and who determines which votes to count.