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"Kyle Rittenhouse was released from jail in Wisconsin on Friday afternoon after his attorneys posted $2 million bail..."
"... setting the teenager free as he awaits trial for fatally shooting two men and wounding a third during summer protests in Kenosha, police said. His release came over the objections of family members and lawyers for two of the men he shot. They had asked for higher bail and voiced concerns Rittenhouse would flee, which his lawyers have said he would not. The 17-year-old’s release was funded by donations sought by his attorneys, who appealed to the political right, where Rittenhouse is popular. Those lawyers also are seeking to overturn Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory."
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If he were black and killed Trump supporters he would have been bailed out within hours.
Sorry Kevin. He would have been released on his own recognizance.
"Only the Left could be scandalized about the Right agreeing with self-defense.
I’m scandalized because the Left agrees with the dead scumbags that were trying to murder Kyle." Comment from article in Legal Insurrection.
Can't Kyle Rittenhouse just claim that he is: intellectually disabled?
oh, that's right; he's WHITE.... Never mind
Frankly surprised it took this long. I am of the belief he will not spend another day in the pokey.
"Anthony Huber’s father, John Huber, attended the hearing earlier this month and suggested a bail amount as high as $10 million. He called Rittenhouse’s self-defense argument “impossible” and described his son as a “hero” who tried to stop the teen."
Not all heroes wear capes. Some are repeated domestic abusers who use strangulation and suffocation, dangerous weapons, false imprisonment, and battery against there partners.
Fuck this guy.
In the official records, those two guys died of Covid anyway.
As if anti-bail lawyers and activists on the left, meanwhile, aren't trying to cement Joe Biden's dubious "victory"?
I have no real issue with the quoted blurb. I agree with others, knowing more information that is not there shows bias through omission. However, I also didn't read the article further, showing my own bias. That said, what I would want to know is if the article mentions the criminal records of the victims and what they were doing at the time of being shot?
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
Or is that just a case by case rule for you, only applied to people with politics that differ from you?
Its a shame it isn't a Federal case and thus open to capital punishment.
If he’s found not guilty we can have the riots all over again!
The article is written as if the author walked between three or four conversations, took random quotes, and live wrote it.
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
By all means truth entering into criminal reporting must be snuffed out.
Not that I'm surprised by the double standard, or the biased reporting.
who appealed to the political right, where Rittenhouse is popular
Yeah, the political right tends to favor the kind of person who killed someone who served prison time for raping 5 preteen boys. He served 14 years, so those boys are likely adults now. Can't blame them for not being public, but imagine the optics if they could have been sitting at the bail hearing.
Kenosha: Joseph ‘JoJo’ Rosenbaum and the Problem of White Trash America
Joseph Rosenbaum — depressed, homeless and alone . . . had spent most of his adult life in prison for sexual conduct with children when he was 18 and struggled with bipolar disorder. That day, Aug. 25, Rosenbaum was discharged from a Milwaukee hospital following his second suicide attempt in as many months and dumped on the streets of Kenosha. . . .
Hours after he was released from the hospital, Rosenbaum stopped by a pharmacy in Kenosha to pick up medication for his bipolar disorder, only to discover that it had closed early because of the unrest.
He visited his fiancee, who was living in a cheap motel room, but she told him he couldn’t stay the night. She had pressed charges against him a month earlier after a fight in which he knocked her down and bloodied her mouth. If Rosenbaum violated his no-contact order, she warned, he could be sent back to jail. . . .
The weeks leading up to Rosenbaum’s death had been as chaotic as his life. Raised in Texas and Arizona, Rosenbaum met his father only twice and told his mother that he was molested by his alcoholic stepfather “on an almost daily basis,” according to court documents.
When he was 13 his mother was sent to prison for two years, and Rosenbaum was sent off to a group home, where he began using heroin and methamphetamine, according to court documents. By 18, he was in prison for sexual conduct with five preteen boys, the children of people who had taken him in after his mother told him to leave her house, according to a presentencing report. He spent most of the next 14 years behind bars.
Not long after he was released in 2016, he met a woman in Arizona and fathered a child, but the relationship didn’t last. When the woman fled to Kenosha, Rosenbaum chased her. . . .
[In December 2019] he and his new fiancee, whom he met in a Wisconsin hospital, were braving the winter in a tent they had pitched in an overgrown lot behind an abandoned department store. . . .
They spent their days at nearby fast-food restaurants where the staff sometimes gave them free meals. At night Rosenbaum, his fiancee and her cat huddled under piles of blankets. “We lived off of each other’s body heat,” she said.
In the spring, the police confiscated their tent, so they slept for a while behind dumpsters in town. Eventually, the county’s social services department helped them get a room at a cut-rate motel . . .
Aside from one supervised visit, he never saw the child for whom he had moved to Kenosha. In June, he attempted suicide by overdosing on pills. A month later, his fiancee confronted him after finding pornography on his phone. Rosenbaum body-slammed her, according to police, who took him to jail and then released him.
One week later, Rosenbaum called a suicide crisis line. Police found him vomiting and having convulsions outside a McDonald’s. He spent a few days in the hospital followed by a few more days in jail for violating the no-contact order with his former girlfriend. Then he was sent for more treatment to the mental hospital in Milwaukee.
Two hours before he was killed, Rosenbaum left his fiancee’s motel room and caught a bus for downtown, where a second night of protests had erupted.
If he’s found not guilty we can have the riots all over again!
What's going to happen when they cop they are railroading for the death of George Floyd, goes free. There are no elements for murder in that death, and the entire legal community knows it.
Dumb Lefty Mark is very very upset that Rittenhouse did not stand very still while antifa "hero" types wielding weapons, including guns, came at him.
Next up for Dumb Lefty Mark: people who dont hold still while islamists saw off their heads can cause damage to the islamists knives and should be held liable for resharpening costs.
"Mark said...
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
Or is that just a case by case rule for you, only applied to people with politics that differ from you?
Its a shame it isn't a Federal case and thus open to capital punishment."
I can't speak for Leland, but for me the rule applies to assholes that are part of a mob trying to commit arson, and get killed attempting to bring bodily injury to a person that they thought prevented the arson.
The system grinds on. Wake me up at the verdict.
What they did prior to the riot is not relevant. What they did at the riot, especially, but not only, what they did moments before being shot, is central to the case.
I prefer the way this trashy news site put it:
Kyle Rittenhouse, the Illinois teen, unjustly charged in the shooting deaths of two Antifa goobers desperately in need of killing Antifa associated goons who carried out an unprovoked attack on him during the Kenosha riot caused by the justified and necessary police shooting of Jacob Blake, has been released from jail in Wisconsin on a $2 million cash bail.
I imagine Rittenhouse had a better time in jail than most "criminals," considering what he was in for. Still, ours is a creaky, maybe broken justice system, that jailed him for weeks for one of the better documented displays of self-defense that we've all seen, while rioters and looters walked free or stayed jailed barely long enough for a nap.
Iowan2 said..."What's going to happen when they cop they are railroading for the death of George Floyd, goes free. There are no elements for murder in that death, and the entire legal community knows it."
The city of Minneapolis deserves to get it really good and hard, a city that thinks Ihlan Omar is deserving of a seat in Congress.
"Its a shame it isn't a Federal case and thus open to capital punishment."
Let's have a trial first, OK?
Congrats to all who pitched in. Good on you.
"Those lawyers also are seeking to overturn Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory."
Should be: "Those decent and honorable lawyers also are seeking to overturn Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s fraudulent victory."
Kamala was collecting money for Antifa on her website. That's okay.....but helping out the kid who was attacked by 3 guys that wanted to kill him so he protected himself is wrong??? We live in an upside down world.
Rittenhouse, a boy, singlehandedly put out the Kenosha fires after our beta cuck Governor Evers let it burn for what he thought was political gain. Evers didn’t lift a finger, or accept Federal help until after the 3rd Night. And on the 3rd Night EVERYONE knew the town was out, and armed, defending itself. Rittenhouse was one of many.
If Wis Gov Tony Evers had acted on night two, none of this would have happened. Rittenhouse is one of Tony Evers’ many victims.
Self Defense.
but the left are butt hurt over the fact that he successfully defended himself and killed two leftwing criminal Nazi racists in the process.
At the Trump rally in Waukesha a few weeks ago, when Trump mentioned what happened to Kenosha, people started chanting “free Kyle”. Trump didn’t touch it, but that was the mood of the crowd.
If there was any real justice in the world, Kyle would go free, and Wis Gov Tony Evers would be charged with mass arson and inciting violence. But, there’s not. Instead there are lawyers.
Between the NYT article and the video released by his lawyers he appears to have a plausible, if not strong, self defense claim. $2 million seems excessive.
Given the bias of the media and the rarity of “right wing” violence of this nature at the BLM/Antifa riots, it’s fair to assume that the mediaswine would have come up with more dirt on this kid.
"Let's have a trial first, OK?"
Yes I remember all the chants at Trump rallies were not saying 'lock her up', they were really saying 'let's have a trial first'.
See also, Hunter Biden, Dominion software, voting allegations.
I read the report. The journalist tactfully neglects to mention the activities of the people that night prior to being shot, nor their criminal activities prior to that night. He does give us considerable background on the lawyers who are defending Rittenhouse, however. I don't think the photo of Rittenhouse that tops the article was supplied by his mother.
Iowan2 said..."What's going to happen when they cop they are railroading for the death of George Floyd, goes free. There are no elements for murder in that death, and the entire legal community knows it."
Even if he's found guilty, Minnesota does not have the Death Penalty. Better leave the plywood up.
Mark: “Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.“
If the issue is self defense, as it is here, and one of the victims had a gun, as was the case here, it is appropriate to publish facts that are germaine to the story. That includes any relevant criminal past of the victim.
You lefties have become too enamored with politically motivated censorship. But then as Beijing Biden asserts, you value “[your] truth over facts.”
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
Or is that just a case by case rule for you, only applied to people with politics that differ from you?
Where the defense is self-defense in the face of an attack, yes, we should look at the criminal background of the victim. You can be certain that, if the victim had no criminal background, that fact would be (justifiably) raised.
If he’s found not guilty we can have the riots all over again!
Give a few more rioters a terminal 5.56 mm headache and maybe even Wisconsinites will know to stop.
What's going to happen when they cop they are railroading for the death of George Floyd, goes free. There are no elements for murder in that death, and the entire legal community knows it.
Lawrence Tribe disagrees! And he’s a walking, talking, legal God. Just ask Althouse.
IF there are any lawyers who read these comments, I have a few questions maybe you could answer:
Is bail supposed to be punitive, rather than just a means to ensure the defendant doesn't flee?
Is there any reason to believe this defendant would flee if released on his own recognizance while awaiting trial?
Is there any reason to believe that, if this defendant was inclined to flee, losing $2 million of other people's money would stop him?
Will this case be tried in front of a different judge than the one who set the bail amount?
If the answers to all the above questions are no, how can the defendant expect a fair trial in front of this judge?
The lawyers working on behalf of Kyle Rittenhouse are also trying to deal with the election fraud? You mean there are decent, honorable lawyers in Wisconsin? They obviously didn’t get their degrees at Wisconsin Law!
Humperdink said...Frankly surprised it took this long. I am of the belief he will not spend another day in the pokey.
I don't "believe" in anything anymore...this way I won't be continually disappointed.
Political prosecution is theater to avoid offending the left. Same with the four cops and floyd george, for that matter.
I keep trying to find the victim(s) that keeps getting referenced.
Can somebody use proper names to help me out?
The three guys who got shot might have been "victims of their own stupidity" but that's not a legal term.
Mark said...
"Let's have a trial first, OK?"
Yes I remember all the chants at Trump rallies were not saying 'lock her up', they were really saying 'let's have a trial first'.
Nobody said deny Hillary release on bail before trial.
“... the political right, where Rittenhouse is popular“
The far more important filter on this is that he’s popular among those who value law and order over chaos, anarchy, and violence.
So you tell me, MSM ... is that just the political right?
Cue Jeopardy theme.
How many months/years until the grand jury meets?
I would agree that these 3 people were suicidal and let it go as 2 1/2 Mission Accomplished. Anyone who would chase a person armed with an AR-15 has to accept the prospect of death. That Kyle was run after tells me he didn't intend to shoot anyone until it was necessary to secure his own life. He did just that. Visualize those 3 running AT the bulls in Pamplona.
The important thing is this:
"Antifa associated goons who carried out an unprovoked attack on him..."
While armed and aiming a handgun, and using improvised items as clubs chasing Kyle as he ran away before ever resorting to using his rifle as a last resort. Who would let that crazed mob of felons just beat them to death when they could stop it?
He also immediately tried to surrender to cops and then turned himself in. That does not sound like a flight risk. The bail is punitive and unjustified for an obvious self defense.
The hardest thing for me to understand is why the Left and the Right get two different systems of justice in this country.
Where is the guy who fired a handgun at Kyle and tried to kill him while chasing him down and yelling racist slurs?
Where are the charges against people on video breaking election laws - actually filling in ballots one after another on clear security video?
Why are people like Hillary and Comey free when we know with certainty they committed high level serious felonies against the entire country. Not even charges. Yet General Flynn was pursued and ruined over nothing.
How did we get here and why does it persist? I'm asking seriously for an answer. I don't understand this.
"I keep trying to find the victim(s) that keeps getting referenced."
The victims were the three guys trying to kill a young man for no reason. That's a victim to some people. They see the prisons as full of victims.
"Those lawyers also are seeking to overturn Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory."
A-hem. [cough]
"Nobody said deny Hillary release on bail before trial."
Lock her up doesn't imply bail.
Where were crowds shouting chants about Rittenhouse? Oh wait, you are cherry picking extremists and presenting them as representative.
Rittenhouse's trial continues in the press.
So, were the family members of the decedents who think the bail is too low the ones that were abused and assaulted by by the decedents in prior days? Or are they different family members of the sexually assaultive and abusive decedents?
By the way, Rittenhouse isn't popular with me (it's a bad idea for an armed 17 year-old to inject himself into a riot), but I know a political railroad job when I see one. $2 million bail? Puh-lease.
Meanwhile Dolloff the Denver shooter was released on $500,000 bail in early November. He had far less of a self defense case and yet had a smaller bail and released quicker? How is a bail of 4 times larger justified? Don’t say it is because Rittenhouse is more of a flight and safety risk.
Lefty Mark is certainly persistent in railing against justice. The left in blue states never has to worry about consequences. The kid was being chased by people with at least one gun. And they had long criminal records, like a lot of Antifa thugs.
The hardest thing for me to understand is why the Left and the Right get two different systems of justice in this country.
This situation is the rule at all times and places where leftists hold power. The only real answer is Pinochetian ugliness, but even that is not permanent. As long as human beings are lazy, selfish, stupid, and greedy, we will never be rid of the plague of power-crazed socialists among us.
What was the bail for the Denver media thug that murdered a Trump supporter in cold blood? Its absurd that Rittenhouse had a $2 million bail. He wasn't a flight risk.
Mark said...
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
Fortunately, Rittenhouse chose not to be a victim. (I don't think he had a criminal background anyway)
Its a shame it isn't a Federal case and thus open to capital punishment
It is a shame this isn't a federal case and thus open to a Presidential pardon. Of course, a Presidential Medal of Freedom is still an option.
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
Thank you Iowan2, tcrosse, and tommyesq for the thoughtful responses to Mark. At least one of the people shot confessed to intending to kill Rittenhouse. Another is seen on video threatening to harm another person that he then mistakes Rittenhouse as being. Both of those people had criminal records that suggest a history of violent crime, meaning they were likely to carry out their threat of harm. That's two compelling arguments for self-defense. Bumble Bee makes another compelling argument. I've got nothing from Mark but conjecture and deflection to unrelated topics.
The kid was being chased by people with at least one gun.
Two guns for sure, and probably more. The timeline tape his lawyers released show pretty clearly that Kyle didn’t shoot until the tall bearded hippie guy had taken a shot at him with his revolver. Kyle’s back was turned so he didn’t know which member of the antifa mob was trying to kill him. Under the reasonable-man standard, I think he would have been justified in shooting anyone in the mob, or even everyone in the mob, and I wish he had. But the next thing he knows, the bald angry-elf pedophile had a hand on his rifle, at which point he is legally considered in possession of the weapon and even more of a slam-dunk legitimate target of armed self-defense. Good riddance.
Kyle is going to walk, and when he does, we need to make him rich and famous for giving Antifa exactly what they’ve been asking for. He showed more bravery and good weapons discipline than many a sworn law enforcement officer.
The other thing we need to do is to prosecute the DA and see if we can’t get him five or ten years in Federal prison for official oppression under color of law for daring even to file these ridiculous tyrannical charges. At the very least we can try to strip him of his house, his pension, and his law license. We have to start following Alinsky’s rules and ruining the lives of individual leftists. They hurt a lot sooner than institutions.
Meanwhile Dolloff the Denver shooter was released on $500,000 bail in early November. He had far less of a self defense case and yet had a smaller bail and released quicker? How is a bail of 4 times larger justified? Don’t say it is because Rittenhouse is more of a flight and safety risk.
With our leftwing government will let him off.
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Kyle is going to walk, and when he does, we need to make him rich and famous for giving Antifa exactly what they’ve been asking for.
He would in rural Virginia, but he’s being tried in Wisconsin. Wisconsin is filled with people who are evil and insane.
BidenFamilyTaxPayerFundedCrackPipe said...
"Self Defense.
but the left are butt hurt over the fact that he successfully defended himself and killed two leftwing criminal Nazi racists in the process."
With a gun! You forgot to say, "With a gun." That's why they're butt hurt. kyle didn't die so the left can't use him in their little passion play.
Mark said...
"Let's have a trial first, OK?"
"Yes I remember all the chants at Trump rallies were not saying 'lock her up', they were really saying 'let's have a trial first'.
See also, Hunter Biden, Dominion software, voting allegations."
try and understand this. When a conservative says "Lock her up." a trial is a given. We take that shit seriously. But when you. the left say "Lock em up." You dox them and have your compliant minions come at them in the dead of night fully armed and equipped with TV cameras so as to insure a biased trial. make sure they're good and tired and humiliated and then maybe have a trial. Or like that poor schlub who made a video just go right to jail. Or hit em with a bike lock or shoot them while they're playing softball.
Your side is pretty much filled with vindictive little shits. Like you.
wendybar said...
Kamala was collecting money for Antifa on her website. That's okay.....but helping out the kid who was attacked by 3 guys that wanted to kill him so he protected himself is wrong??? We live in an upside down world.
He was attacked by dozens of people. It is on video. He shot three of them. These details are why he is clearly not a flight risk because no jury in the US will find him guilty.
Does Mark think that the treatment of Rittenhouse by obvious partisans was a mistake that will come back to hurt the antifa cause?
The video coverage of the events in question is pretty complete. You can see criminal #1 firing into the air. You can see Rittenhouse being pursued by multiple older men, rioters with violent intent. You can see him react to the (illegal) shot, thinking that he was the target as the multiple male rioters were chasing him. You can see victim #1 get it, and victim #2 getting it as well, as he attempts to strip away Rittenhouse's weapon after Rittenhouse was distracted by being hit by another criminal with a skateboard. There isn't much doubt about what happened, compared to other similar targeting crimes involving a victim's self-defense in the face of multiple attackers. The video record is exceptional. The prosecutor's track record is also in alignment with his past professional efforts. He has no qualms going after people who make good victims for his political portfolio. You get what you elect. If people from Kenosha like seeing Main Street burn, like seeing mayhem in the streets and businesses demolished by outsiders, like seeing their upstanding neighbors prosecuted for defending against these things, then they're on the right track. Keep voting, folks.
Aggie said...
You can see perpetrator #1 get it, and perpetrator #2 getting it as well...
FIFY
Blogger MartyH said...
If he’s found not guilty we can have the riots all over again
I am not so sure about that. Kenosha is a small city of 100,000 (more on the geography later).
The first night of the riot caught the city off guard, and the situation spun out of control real quick (all the fires). The second night, thanks to our dickless governor Evers, there was no National Guard presence, so it was up to local law enforcement agencies and people like Rittenhouse to establish some semblance of control.
As to the geography (for future reference), Kenosha courthouse is over 6 miles from the Interstate, via surface streets. To the east is Lake Michigan. To the north about 3+ miles out takes you into the Village of Somers - mixture of suburban homes & farm fields. To the south 3+ miles takes you to the Village of Pleasant Prairie. Also a mixture of suburban homes & farm fields. Kenosha County was 51% Trump, Village of Somers 4/5 wards were Trump, Village of Pleasant Prairie wards were 5/5 for Trump. Those villages are also accessible by surface streets only. No freeways (other than I94) to jump on to make a quick getaway. So, any trouble makers coming into Kenosha will be easily cut off from I94. Fleeing into the Villages they will likely encounter armed citizens - this would be the land of tall pickup trucks with flags. They will be ready.
In September, local law enforcement was presented with the opportunity to do a test run. A peaceful protest was going to happen at the Kenosha Courthouse. Credible information was received that there was a group of cars with blacked out license plates on I94 moving in a caravan like manner. There was a multijurisdictional response, a perimeter was established closing off traffic downtown, and the protest was indeed peaceful. Some police scanner chaser live streamed the response on Facebook. From what I can see at the end of this video, law enforcement officers outnumbered protesters.
Dumb Lefty Mark: "Oh wait, you are cherry picking extremists and presenting them as representative."
Yes. A leftist wrote that. Just now. As if the last 60 years never happened at all.
History began anew this morning.
Again.
Here is a video showing and explaining the entire event in detail with some background.
https://youtu.be/cgMLdOrfuI4
At least nobody got hurt
I'm surprised and heartened to see that Mark agrees Hillary deserved a trial.
Standing with community in the wake of social justice. A measured response in self-defense. An extraordinary young man.
"You can see victim #1 get it, and victim #2 getting it as well, as he attempts to strip away Rittenhouse's weapon after Rittenhouse was distracted by being hit by another criminal with a skateboard."
Just to be clear, it was victim #2, the Huber, that hit Kyle with his skateboard.
I didn't read the article, but the pictures are great. There's a nice one of Kyle's rifle, I believe it's a Bushmaster. You can see the one-point sling he was using, to very good effect. I hope he gets it back when this is all over. Although apparently it does not actually belong to him.
“... helping out the kid who was attacked by 3 guys that wanted to kill him ...”
Kudos for using the relative pronoun that instead of who . No need to personalize animals.
Again, I’m just glad no one got hurt.
In the official records, those two guys died of Covid anyway
Floyd, too, who, in addition to dying from a fentanyl overdose, tested positive for SARS-CoV-2. The officer should receive hazard pay for being exposed to a belligerent drug addict and probable, possible spreader.
Understand, this is a show trial, and it's working exactly as planned. Kyle may eventually be freed, but who wants to go through what he is being put through, just to defend their neighbors' property? And exactly how many times are we going to raise two million dollars bail to free the victims of the Soros Machine? It appears that the professional city-government scum, graduates of "Public Administration" programs at shithole universities, have taken over most cities of any size, and are using tax funds to attract and maintain a rabble of parasites who can be counted on to riot on any pretext or none, and to re-elect the scum and their Soros prosecutors. I am thinking it might be a good time to research the "Rooftop Koreans". Did they actually shoot anyone? How did they manage to avoid prosecution?
"How did we get here and why does it persist? I'm asking seriously for an answer. I don't understand this."
70 years ago, a media that was every bit as biased as the one we have today (just better at masking it) convinced the country that "McCarthyism", that is, the hiring and firing based on political views, was the worst thing that happened ever.
Then the communist infiltrators that McCarthy was trying to stop (but failed due to the Stalinist media show trials he was subjected to) spent the next 70 years hiring and firing based on political views, until they held 90-100% control of every institution, and no one noticed or cared.
Everything we are seeing today is the inevitable end result of what was uncovered, but not even slowed down, then.
Perhaps they'll drop the charges during the first big snow of winter, or has that already happened?
It’s the hero story you always wanted to see: a black kid turns the tables on a KKK lynch mob just as they’re putting the rope around his neck.
Think how evil a system would need to be to prosecute that kid.
I will add that, when only employed by one side, the tactic of firing and hiring based on politics is an unbeatable tactic. It will result in 100% political control of the targeted institution 100% of the time within a single generation (and they've been doing it for over 3). Once successful, it doesn't matter if the other side does it too, the takeover cannot be reversed.
The only possible fix is to completely disband each institution, recreate it, explicitly ban anyone in the old institution from being hired in the new one, and explicitly bar hiring anyone from the political ideology that has overwhelmingly proven it cannot be trusted not to do the same to everyone else. Forever.
By the way, although we raised two million to bail Kyle out, Dominick Black, Kyle's 19-year-old friend, who bought the rifle and held it for Kyle, has also been charged. You can donate to his defense here.
"Perhaps they'll drop the charges during the first big snow of winter, or has that already happened?"
They might agree to a plea bargain, but they're not going to drop any charges. They are cynical vermin with a political objective. Persecuting Kyle Rittenhouse costs them nothing, and if he is ultimately vindicated by a jury, as seems likely, the vermin who elected them will re-elect them. Assuming the City of Kenosha still exists after the next round of unopposed riots.
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
They weren't murder victims, you stupid ass.
They got precisely what they deserved.
Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory
Correction: JournoListic President-elect. The democratic process is aborted by Democrats in the dark recesses of the Twilight Fringe.
the political right tends to favor the kind of person who killed someone who served prison time for raping 5 preteen boys
Trans/homosexual, tolerable. Trans/homosexual rape... rape-rapist and pedophile. Wow, I did not know. Who let him out of prison. This is the Boy Scouts encounter with political congruence, liberalized, and progressive.
That said, the political right is libertarian. The political center is conservative: Pro-Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of Happiness.
Do you think he'll be acquitted?
I say he has a good shot at it...
It’s an outrageous injustice he was even charged
“Blogger Danno said...
Sorry Kevin. He would have been released on his own recognizance.”
Sorry, Danno. He would not have been charged.
Anthony Huber’s father, John Huber, attended the hearing earlier this month and suggested a bail amount as high as $10 million. He called Rittenhouse’s self-defense argument “impossible” and described his son as a “hero” who tried to stop the teen.
I would say to John Huber that if he had raised his son to respect other people, and not to commit arson, then the son still be alive. But John Huber failed as a father and now his son is dead. Pity.
Mark said...
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.
No, dumbshit Mark, we should always publish the criminal records or every person harmed while violently resisting arrest, or where the defendant is claiming self defense
Because in those cases it's an important element for analyzing the "crime"
Also, any time the family / victim claims that the "victim" is a wonderful human being, that person's criminal record, or lack thereof, becomes important to the story
Which means in either case, only a lying sack of shit hack would hide that information
Howard said...
The system grinds on. Wake me up at the verdict.
You can go back to sleep, Howard. The verdict is "not guilty on all charges", with the jury gathering afterwards to thank Kyle for a job well done
Frankly surprised it took this long. I am of the belief he will not spend another day in the pokey.
It's going to depend on where the trial is held.
AndyN said...
IF there are any lawyers who read these comments, I have a few questions maybe you could answer:
Is bail supposed to be punitive, rather than just a means to ensure the defendant doesn't flee?
Is there any reason to believe this defendant would flee if released on his own recognizance while awaiting trial?
Is there any reason to believe that, if this defendant was inclined to flee, losing $2 million of other people's money would stop him?
Will this case be tried in front of a different judge than the one who set the bail amount?
If the answers to all the above questions are no, how can the defendant expect a fair trial in front of this judge?
Traditionally bail is for amount of flight risk, plus amount of perceived danger to the community
No
No
Yes
Jupiter said...
Understand, this is a show trial, and it's working exactly as planned. Kyle may eventually be freed, but who wants to go through what he is being put through, just to defend their neighbors' property?
Kyle voluntarily turned himself in to the cops.
I fBiden becomes President, the response to this is going to be to simply shoot the BLM / Antifa people from ambush, then disappear
No muss, no fuss
Yes, let's start publishing the criminal background of every murder victim, Leland.}}}
We already do. When there is a claim of self-defense, a defendant is entitled to introduce evidence at trial as to the victim's violent propensities. Criminal convictions for violent acts are especially relevant.
Where are the $0 bail/decarceration folks?
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