It is so difficult to police the inside of people's homes.
From the comments at WaPo: "Here in rural Indiana, the mentality seems to be that as long as you know the people you are with, you don't have to worry. Doesn't matter that your friends or relatives could have picked up COVID from someone else, it's fine. A relative of mine has been in the hospital with a COVID infection that has been traced to the baby shower for her daughter-in-law. I'm sure they were all nice people."
पोस्ट्स
१५५ टिप्पण्या:
Kneel before your lord peasants.
Yes, the possibilities for controlling the sheeple are endless!
People are acting like a pandemic is something you live through rather than you hide from and ask the "government" to protect you from!
It's a pandemic. There is nothing that can be done to stop it, only manage the resources and people who help ameliorate the symptoms. Anyone telling you differently is selling something or looking to enslave you.
I'm beginning to find CV-19 hysteria boring. In my neighborhood people are wearing masking while jogging in the park with no one around. What they think they're accomplishing is beyond me.
Don’t you dare ask why 220,000 flu pneumonia and Covid deaths is a good reason to take everybody’s freedom away.
It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home.
In response, Biden would introduce draconian lockdowns that have little chance of working?
Or is this the groundwork for the excuse not to do so, perhaps because mere "cases" will no longer be the important metric?
Are record-breaking percentages of people dying? Or are the percentages comparable to what's been happening all along?
Because it seems that would be a good thing to consider before going bat-shit crazy.
i don't care. do you?
We’re all going to die!!! Panic! Panic! Depend on the government.
People will not be locked down forever. If you have those attributes that increase your risk from the disease, take steps to protect yourself. However, you cannot demand that everyone else take the same steps to protect you - well, you can demand it, but many will not comply.
I miss my bar.
Can these dorks not figure it out? We saw the BLM marches, plus the idiots massing to celebrate Biden's "win." When none of the usual scolds had anything bad to say about those superspreader events, why should we take anything they say seriously?
PSA: COVID hysteria has been extended to Jan 20.
You are forgiven for thinking it would end Nov 3. We all did.
But we've had a change of heart, and no one is allowed to be Normal until the Orange Man is completely gone.
Wait you people told us that if Trump lost then there would be no more discussion of kovid because it would magically become a nothing Burger.
The death rate is going to be back up to 2,000 per day by January 20th so it will be big news then . Don't worry though it'll carry on so hard and so long that Joe Biden will be blamed for part of it.
Like all COVID epidemics, COVID-19 is a seasonal epidemic.
It causes severe sicknesses and deaths during its first winter. The epidemic ends at about the end of May. During the following winters, the virus causes much less sickness and death.
In regard to COVID-19, we are in a casedemic, which means that tests for COVID-19 are frequently positive. We are testing more people, and more people have been infected without severe symptoms or without any symptoms at all.
Watch Ivor Cummins' YouTube videos. Here is a good video to start with.
It certainly has nothing to do with people out in the streets celebrating the election.
I have great sympathy for the elderly in care facilities that go into lock-down because employees at those facilities test positive. I wish there were more information on how likely it is for someone who tests positive to pass along their germ. I suspect there is a difference between the pandemic now than when it was around back in March, because virus will evolve.
Why can't people Realize, that if they will just give up ALL civil liberties, the virus will go away?
Or, at least, our masters will be satisfied.
LONG LIVE BIG BROTHER!!
OUR GOVERNMENT IS OUR GOD!!
It's not the number of cases, it's the number of people who needed to be hospitalized or who died.
Those numbers are not in the WaPo article.
>>"Here in rural Indiana, the mentality seems to be that as long as you know the people you are with, you don't have to worry.<<
I hear this very thing all the time. In my own family, ftm.
Now, you can legitimately argue about how you personally want to address that issue in practice, but this very prevalent belief is a singular piece of idiocy.
The COVID chirons are back on CNN. For a while they went away and were replaced by the election statistics. Maybe they'll come down if Biden takes possession of the White House.
Why COVID epidemics are seasonal
Trump hasn't lost yet, thus Covid panic to 11.
This was all predicted by the really smart people like Saint Fauci last spring. We needed to lockdown to slow the spread. They said there would be another surge in the Fall. Then, sometime over the summer, our "leaders" decided that we could stop the spread, if only we wore masks and didn't stay out too late. The spread could not be stopped, but enough of our fellow Americans bought into that lie.
Protect the vulnerable - we know who they are - and let the rest of us get on with our lives. This thing will run its course regardless of what our government mandates.
They're a goddamned death cult, these Democrats. And I don't imagine Americans are going to submit to more restrictions. Even Europeans are bucking the latest measures, and a lot of them inherently trust their governments.
That herd immunity in Sweden sure is working well. Nic Lewis is unavailable for comment.
Blogger Howard said...
Wait you people told us that if Trump lost then there would be no more discussion of kovid because it would magically become a nothing Burger.
He hasn't lost, hence the hysteria, Howard.
"I'm Not Sure said...
Are record-breaking percentages of people dying? Or are the percentages comparable to what's been happening all along?
Because it seems that would be a good thing to consider before going bat-shit crazy."
I don't need any facts to tell me when to go bat-shit crazy.
But anyway, on October 23rd, there were 85,108 new cases . It takes an average of 19 day for an infected individual to die. Today, there were 162 deaths. That is a rate of .19%. It would be helpful to consider that a greater number of cases might exist but due to being asymptomatic are not reflected in the number of cases.
worldmeter.info is a great source of information. I recommend it going forward as the pandemic will no longer be covered once. ex-VP/Senator Biden and Kamalatoe are sworn in.
But public health officials nationwide say case investigations are increasingly leading them to small, private social gatherings. This behind-doors transmission trend reflects pandemic fatigue and widening social bubbles, experts say — and is particularly insidious because it is so difficult to police and likely to increase as temperatures drop and holidays approach."
Sure, uhhh-huh. The number of cases seems to keep going up. Why, it must be those private social gatherings! That's it!
I would trust all of this a lot more if someone could answer one simple question for me: Why aren't the homeless infected in droves? There are in many urban areas (including mine) large communities of the homeless. Are they filling up the emergency rooms with cases? Are they dying in large numbers? If so, then why don't the authorities, who use the health emergency to close down churches, break up the homeless camps, which must be huge health risks. If the homeless are not coming down with COVID en mass, how can it be, because they sure as hell aren't social distancing?
Too many facts in this whole business just don't add up. I don't think it's some top down conspiracy. I think it's just the very human desire to feel that we understand & can control what's happening in very complex processes writ very large. Unfortunately, we can't.
There are two paths to follow:
Exercise. Lose weight. Get sun. Have a positive mental outlook. OR
Lock yourself in your home. You'll die if you go to the gym. This is the worst disease in human history.
Howard at 10:52 AM
That herd immunity in Sweden sure is working well. Nic Lewis is unavailable for comment.
Ivor Cummins interviews a Swedish doctor
Today, there were 162 deaths. That is a rate of .19%.
Okay, that's a start. How many of those 162 were already dying of something else and how many were healthy 20 year olds?
We have tests for Covid-19 that cost about $1 test per test, take 15 minutes to give a result, and that you can do in your own home. These tests aren't particularly good at telling whether you have Covid-19, but they are very good at telling whether a person is infectious on the day the test is given.
Oh wait, we don't have that! If I look on Amazon I don't find it!
Except we do, or we would have it, if the government wasn't blocking it.
We all know that most people would be buy and use such a thing if it were available. It would transform the nature of this epidemic.
See Can individuals be trusted to self-test for Covid-19 without a medical professional?
Washington Post: Super-spreaders of bullshit and disinformation.
"It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home."
The creepy Soviet left will find a way.
"Alexa - how do I conform to my leftwing masters so they do not destroy everything I hold dear?"
We have had TSA security theater for nearly 20 years. Why not masks, social distancing, lockdowns and lockouts for that long?
If Biden gets in, control-hungry bureaucrats and publicity-crazed "experts", egged on by the toady media, will work to keep us peasants in our place. Any failures of their policies will not lead to their reassessment but their redoubling.
Chi Com Democrat Gift Virus keeps moving. How dare it! Doesn't virus know Biden was drug across the finish line?
But I'm not a healthy 20 year old.
I went to a beach town in July, when our precautions were at their lowest. You'd never know from looking around that we were in a pandemic--crowded sidewalks, not a mask in sight. Absolutely no precautions. Even the police at the sobriety checkpoint, who were sticking their heads into hundreds of cars to check for alcohol or drugs, weren't wearing masks.
Officially, we had a handful of cases each day, but it seemed obvious even then that the virus was spreading among the young, who didn't know or care, and it was only a matter of time before they gave it to their parents and grandparents. Which is what happened.
Maybe people have realized that the recovery rate for under 65s is better than 99% and have decided not to succumb to Democrat hysteria.
Also, now that Zeke Emanuel is in the Biden picture we no longer need worry about the over-75s. If Loopy Joe will add Killer Cuomo to his team there will be no need to waste any money treating the elderly.
"But I'm not a healthy 20 year old."
If you're worried, stay home.
Ice Nine said...
>>"Here in rural Indiana, the mentality seems to be that as long as you know the people you are with, you don't have to worry.<<
I hear this very thing all the time. In my own family, ftm.
Now, you can legitimately argue about how you personally want to address that issue in practice, but this very prevalent belief is a singular piece of idiocy.
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I think it's a poorly expressed expression of the thought that life has to go on, and people are sick of not seeing their friends and relatives, pandemic be damned.
Have no fear, people! Once the genius that is Joe Biden is unleashed on the Kung Flu, it's days are numbered! (Along with liberty, of course.)
The problem with moving goalposts is actually determining what you are working against.
CASES are not an issue. That's why H1N1 in 2009-2010 having 60 million infections (est.) in 1 year was not a mega issue.
Hopsitalizations and deaths ARE an issue. Why aren't we looking at daily graphs of national hospital capacity vs. utilization? Or even at a state or regional level? How about deaths?
Answer: Because it shows confusing and perhaps not fear-inducing trends. Deaths are DOWN despite rising case counts (as a % of cases). Hospital utility is being managed.
Remember BEND THE CURVE?
We did. Successfully. And now we need to make sure we still don't exceed the hospitalization/capacity curve even as the virus cases continue exploding.
Just another WaPo piece of junk trying to get viewers, readers and clicks. And it's working! Yet the death rates are not any higher. In fact, the death rate reports at the CDC for 3.28.20 was 3,328 and 4.4.20 totaled 10,039. On 4.18.20 the reporting of Covit deaths reached its highest - 17,087. Finally, deaths for the last real reporting numbers (states lag in their reporting) was 10.24.20 and 10.31.20 exhibited 4,404 and 3,217, respectively. The CDC also reported for 11.7.20 of 833 deaths, but not all states where included. So in a nutshell deaths have been declining and yet the Covit porn reporting continues by the MSM. My gut tells me that as we approach the flue season the numbers are will become meaningless as to reporting for Covit. My guess once Biden is sworn in as President (Jan) all of this garbage reporting will become history - we all know that this reporting is to slam President Trump.
TreeJoe said:
Hopsitalizations and deaths ARE an issue. Why aren't we looking at daily graphs of national hospital capacity vs. utilization? Or even at a state or regional level? How about deaths?
Answer: Because it shows confusing and perhaps not fear-inducing trends. Deaths are DOWN despite rising case counts (as a % of cases). Hospital utility is being managed.
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Agreed. Here in Mass., which has almost covid 10,000 deaths, you can see for yourself that cases are rising, but deaths are not, and hospitals are nowhere near capacity.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/usa/massachusetts/
"Cases" are rising, but deaths are not. The average age of death has fallen....from 82 to 80.
https://www.mass.gov/doc/covid-19-dashboard-november-10-2020/download
More "cases" among younger people, but very few deaths among them.
Roughly 500 people hospitalized statewide, with 167 in ICU. A dramatic **decrease** from April/May.
Yet our idiot governor Charlie Baker has doubled down on his decrees. Charlie HATES that young people are holding "covid" parties in an attempt to get sick...recover and become immune...then resume their lives.
Can't have that!!!
Tough shit. I'm not sitting in my house alone forever. Y'all just gonna have to deal.
Readering said...
But I'm not a healthy 20 year old.
11/12/20, 11:11 AM
Then stay home and hide in your house until it is over!!
If you don't care about my kids' well being by forcing this on them, don't expect me to care about your fear of a cold.
Sorry but them's the breaks.
And I've got another question: Why aren't we testing for T-Cell immunity when we test for COVID antibodies (here's a paper on T-Cell immunity)?
I got tested for antibodies in May because I had a respiratory infection with flu-like symptoms in February. Came up negative. I know a few people who have exactly the same story. While we were all getting tested for antibodies, why didn't we get tested for T-cell immunity? People who already have COVID family virus T-cell immunity will shake off the virus before it gets to a stage of infection that will trigger a broader immune system response such as would be detectable by the antibody test.
Is it difficult to test for T-cell immunity? Is it a really different biochemical marker than the other antibody tests?
This ain't my bailiwick, so I honestly don't know. But widespread T-cell immunity would do much to explain why the homeless aren't dropping like flies & why fecal sewage & now serum testing is showing that many, many more people have had the virus then have shown symptoms.
I Have Misplaced My Pants said...Tough shit. I'm not sitting in my house alone forever. Y'all just gonna have to deal
Amen Sister!!!!
This virus like every flu (corona virus) before this and after this will pass through the 'herd' and create a large and larger pool of immune people. Some people get very sick and die, which is sad....most people get various levels and recover.
This is the POINT of developing herd immunity. You LET people get sick and recover. More and more people who are not communicable or who will get sick again. Life goes on.
There is NO way to stop a virus. The virus mutates as it goes along. Even IF a vaccine can be developed, by the time it comes to be, the virus will be something different.
"It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home."
But you know they want to.
First step: get kids to rat out their parents, like commies in the good old days of the USSR and the Cultural Revolution.
Just got back from the gym. Wore a mask. Going to a cooking class tonight. Will wear a mask. Ohio looking to do shutdowns/lockdowns starting next week. Case are up and we have more than 700 hospitalized. On average 9 per county. The Ohio dashboard shows few deaths for under 20 and some for under 30. Most are in the over 70 groups. Not that any death is inconsequential. But people are making their own judgements on how they weigh the risks. I know some folks in the neighborhood I have not seen in months. We are living as normal as possible. Different levels of risk aversion.
Indiana...rubes...
Probably voted for Trump.
Probably believe in God and guns.
They deserve what they get.
A friend told me that she is very worried about her 86 year old father and while she's not particularly afraid of the virus, she doesn't want to be the one to tell her siblings she gave her father covid and he died. It's a shame about more lockdowns and kids in masks and no gatherings but hey whatcha gonna do, right?!
I'm sorry. It's full on delusional to maintain that it's a reasonable path to destroy quality of life, relationships, the economy and mental health -- including for children! -- because some late middle age people who are literally grandparents themselves have some ludicrous fantasy that their parents are going to live forever.
we have more than 700 hospitalized
Out of nearly 12,000,000 people in the state of Ohio. This seems like an emergency to you?
meanwhile they will lock us down, like herr schwab mandates, and ration the vaccine, go stay in your eloi bunkers,
"A relative of mine has been in the hospital with a COVID infection that has been traced to the baby shower for her daughter-in-law. I'm sure they were all nice people"
This is relevant to her but that's it. The numbers that matter are death rate. It's been 9 months we would all know dozens of dead at this point if this was the plague we have been promised
"It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home."
The creepy Soviet left will find a way.
Some people say that the end of the Soviet Union started with the building of private apartments in the 1950's by Khrushchev. Prior to that 'communal living' was the norm. People shared the kitchen and living space. There was thin wall between bedrooms. An ideal environment for informants. Everyone was 'whispering'. Family between themselves and informers to the NKVD. This is detailed in 'The House of Government' and 'The Whisperers'. Yes - American 'liberals' want to find a way. They would be ideal Soviet citizens. Their country disappeared.
rcocean said...
I'm beginning to find CV-19 hysteria boring. In my neighborhood people are wearing masking while jogging in the park with no one around. What they think they're accomplishing is beyond me.
it's piety
I recall that at the outset, epidemiologists predicted a spike in the fall/winter of this year. They didn't expect the spike that occurred this summer, though (at least not from what I read at the time). In my state of Oregon, we have a low positivity rate and a low rate of death from/with/during COVID. The restrictions that were put in place regarding masks and distancing seem to have been broadly accepted.
And yet, we are experiencing a serious increase in cases and hospitalizations. First week of October we averaged about 300 new cases/day; for the last seven days it's been over 800. Hospitalizations went from about 200 in early October to 330 in recent days.
To my knowledge, hospital resources are not at risk of being overwhelmed- for now. We are seeing a big increase in new cases but not as large an increase in serious cases. It does suggest that the efficacy of masks has been oversold, although social distancing still seems to make the most sense as a preventative measure.
To her credit, our governor has not proposed any return to drastic measures that she put in place in March. (What is known as damning with faint praise)
Life is full of risk. Every single day, just stepping outside of your house, getting in your car, taking public transport, walking on the side of the road, going to the grocery story...risk risk risk.
You can cower in your house every moment and think you are avoiding risk. You might slip in the tub, bonk your head and die. Risk.
Rational people weight the risks / returns and take the appropriate steps for themselves and make decisions. As parents, we make decisions for our children,whether they like it or not. That is as it should be.
The Government isn't my Parent. The obligation of a Government is to truthfully inform us of what risks exist, make suggestions on how to mitigate those risks and let people make their own decisions. Provide the tools to help mitigate the risk.
Risk cannot be totally eliminated. Ever. Get over that delusion.
Corona 19 is not a disease like Ebola with a high mortality rate or infectious rates either. If it were, like the Black Death, then quarantining the SICK is a rational and temporary response. However...it isn't that.
The political use of Corona Covid 19 has done more to make people skeptical than if the government had just acted rationally and with a heavy/dictatorial hand. No one believes them anymore. This is bad because some day we may have an Ebola type of event and no one will listen.
I am taking some comfort in the recent happenings:
- Covid mandates extended. Lockdowns threatened, maybe on a national basis.
- BLM tells Biden, "You owe us" and (some) rioting continues.
-(Speculation) on Biden's Cabinet, fueled by "promises" made shows a hard left turn from Old Moderate Joe they fed us during the run up to election. Warren, Bernie, Mayor Pete and others are lining up. Moderate? hardly.
Schummer saying take the two Georgia Senate seats and we'll change America.
Why would I take comfort in these appalling items? First of all it undercuts Biden.
More importantly I HOPE the two running for Senatorial seats in Georgia can pull out a couple of roses from this mound of manure.
I'd be interested in knowing when/if we can expect to achieve herd immunity. Any opinions out there?
We've conducted almost enough tests to have tested half the population by now. Surely the virus has infected at least half of us(?). That should be a large enough sample to make some predictions on the course of this thing.
Can't people just chant "Defund The Police!" and "Black Lives Matter!" a few times when they get together to ward off the Wuhan Virus?
Good news - no one is dying from anything else. All the other issues like cancer and flu and heart disease etc... have ceased to exist.
viva Chi Com hell!
“we have more than 700 hospitalized”
Out of nearly 12,000,000 people in the state of Ohio. This seems like an emergency to you?
Exactly not an emergency. I absolutely agree. Government alarmism.....
"Difficult to police".
Aren't we defunding the police? Don't we want fewer officers on the streets?
If so, then how will we arrest all those criminals that are partying in people's back yards?
Maybe social shaming will work. It's worked great so far.
I think Ohio hospitals are capable of handling 700 hospitalizations.....
What is abundantly clear is that they're clueless about Covid despite a democrat president elect.
"Don’t you dare ask why 220,000 flu pneumonia and car accidents and heart attacks and cancer and kidney failure and Covid deaths is a good reason to take everybody’s freedom away."
I personally know one person whose father had a heart attack, tested positive for COVID despite showing no symptoms, and was counted as a COVID death by the hospital. We are being scammed and it's basically expected at this point.
Sorry I was rude, WK. It was uncalled for.
Once we get 100,000 KontactTracers we'll flatten the curve! And get democrat mailing lists updated as well!
I bought a patio heater. I have people over outside all the time, and I go to other people's houses to hang out outside all the time too. My kids play with other kids outside for hours every day. Since the whole problem seems to be breathing in germs as they build up within confined spaces, the great outdoors seem like the solution. Plus, if you're outside and socially distanced, you don't have to wear the hated mask. (At least, that's how we're playing it.)
Be happy in your work,,, escape is impossible!
"The Washington Post Reports". Give me a break. Are there any other sources taking wild guesses reporting them as probable or fact. Minnesota even figure out infections increase AFTER 10pm at bars. The science was based on how much drunken making out started and intervals throughout the day.
So, mostly what we've learned from the last seven months of Lockdown! is that hiding is unlikely to work even as a medium-term solution to a widespread viral disease. Just not enough people willing to put what they value in life on hold indefinitely to ward off a not-so-lethal pandemic. For lefties that might include mostly peaceful riots, political celebrations of the proper kind, and all that goes with life in the left-lane. For righties, that might include motorcycle rallies, church attendance, sports games, and all that goes with that way of living.
So that pretty much guarantees that Team Biden will go all-scientific and double down on what for most people can't and won't work.
Try posting a story from a credible news source. The WashPost cannot be taken seriously. Hospitalizations, ICU beds used and deaths are the defining factors, NOT cases. This is turning out to be in institution of government control over our lives, suspending constitutional safeguards to prey on people's FEAR. My niece has a immune deficiency disease since birth. She has not ventured outside the family home since this started. My brother is working from home and is doing everything he can do to protect his 26 year old daughter. Bravo for him, and for those who are older and have co-morbidities who take steps to protect themselves. But STOP with this bullshit of wearing masks on beaches, while walking in the park, closing bars at 10 PM and limiting gatherings to 10 or less. I went out to dinner last night and had to walk from the door to my table, masked, then could take it off to eat. Silly.
what was ron klain, biden's minder, saying then, mostly the same line that pelosi on the wers coast and howard levine, on the east coast were saying, about the blocking of ingress from china, this was in february,
“ 220,000 flu pneumonia and Covid deaths”
Assumes facts not in evidence. There are no recorded flu or pneumonia deaths this year. They are all listed as COVID. SO died the WH task force get credit now for preventing ~100,000 deaths that would have occurred in a normal flu-monia year?
It seems that if we all hide away, the virus will just bide it's time in other countries, and come back when we come out.
Wait I found 6000 flu deaths! Big decline from last year!
True confession time: I have been regularly engaging in "small, private social gatherings" including participating in a golf league with 30 guys and having outdoor beverages after, and with family members and friends, including family from MA, NYC, NC and GA, since April.
I live in CT.
I have heard about, but do not know one single person within my contact acquaintances, or one step removed who has come down with covid (My 89-year old FIL tested positive because a guy he played tennis with tested positive. No symptoms. My 88-year old MIL also negative). I have a business partner in Fairfield County--he and his wife both got it, and got sick, in the initial wave back in March.
I do a pretty good job of social distancing even in the ordinary course of things, and the people I know are not willingly stupid about it, but if this thing was as virulent as it is supposed to be I would think I'd more directly affected (I know, famous last words...).
I do know of a friend who when we last saw them was planning to attend an all-woman "adult sleep over" with a bunch of her friends. Seems really stupid even to my skeptical sensibilities. Still alive as far as I know.
Tomcc: I'd be interested in knowing when/if we can expect to achieve herd immunity. Any opinions out there?
Here is some barely informed conjecture.
From various unintentional experiments (ships, prisons, etc), it seems that 40-60% of the population isn't susceptible to Commie Cough.
Depending upon R0, herd immunity is achieved at roughly 70% of the population, but considering half aren't going to get it to transmit it, then 35%. So 100 million Americans are going to catch it.
But 85% percent will be either asymptomatic, or mildly symptomatic (this is known from those unintentional experiments). Ultimately (absent a vaccine) 15 million will be "cases", where cases is defined as suffering sufficient symptoms to bother getting tested.
To date, there have been 10 million cases, 504,000 hospitalizations and 240,000 deaths. (The suspiciously high death:hospitalization rate is probably due to many deaths occurring in long-term care faclities.)
My completely amateur predictions: This will have run its course by March, there will be 650,000 hospitalizations and 360,000 deaths. That will be a crude fatality rate of 0.11%, which of course requires societal panic.
And there isn't heck-all we can do about it. I think there was some King Canute guy who had something to say on that subject.
I'm sure Doc Mike or Yancey Ward will deal out the appropriate abuse if I gooned up the numbers.
"It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home."
Seeing as the basic premise of American property ownership is you are not supposed to be able to police people in their homes without a warrant, unless of course you apply for one at a FISA court.
My sister and her husband live in lockdown Chicago, but recently caught Covid from her stepson whose wife contracted it. The stepson and his wife have no symptoms. My sister and her husband feel tired and have had a temporary loss of taste buds.
All four of them were prescribed "bed rest" by their doctors, just as was the case with my stepson in September. They are in no danger of overutilizing medical services.
Everyone I know who has caught Covid has been wearing masks.
"Are record-breaking percentages of people dying? "
Yes, we just recently passed our previous peak daily COVID death count.
Having said that trying to restrict the activities of individuals and families in their homes is certainly beyond the bounds of reasonable regulation. and I agree that the people out to have the freedom to accept their risk.
And as alluded to above the Sweden experience is remarkable (but to be fair lately all of Scandinavia is doing well. Eastern Europe, not so much)
The 7-day running average death rate in Washington state has been averaging about 5 per day since mid-August. It varies but hasn't really increased since the fall spike in infections. It's way down from the summer protest-peak. That's while the infection rate is steadily increasing.
The 7-day running average death rate in Washington state has been averaging about 5 per day since mid-August. It varies but hasn't really increased since the fall spike in infections. It's way down from the summer protest-peak. That's while the infection rate is steadily increasing.
The Covid will run its course, intervention or no intervention, masks or no masks. We are fortunate that treatment protocols have improved.
Hey Skipper- thanks for contributing your thoughts. It seems possible that by March, when a vaccine may be starting to become available, the damage will already have been done.
By the way, I saw an article in Bloomberg a couple of days ago that stated that the Pfizer vaccine has to be stored at -70 degrees C. Evidently that is not a common capability within our health and/or transportation system. Lot's of details to be ironed out...
"It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home."
'Hey, Alexa.' 'Hey, Siri.' 'Hey, Google.' 'Hey, Mercedes.'
You get the point...
One of my elderly nursing home clients passed away in Nebraska today.
Howard said...
That herd immunity in Sweden sure is working well. Nic Lewis is unavailable for comment.
Sweden has an average number of deaths/day of 9.
https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/country/sweden/
Let's compare with France, which locked down and now is having a hard 2nd wave. Deaths per day: 529. Of course France has nearly 7 times the population of Sweden but 7 X 9 = 63
So, yeah. Sweden is looking really smart right now.
Tested positive for cat food.
"By the way, I saw an article in Bloomberg a couple of days ago that stated that the Pfizer vaccine has to be stored at -70 degrees C. Evidently that is not a common capability within our health and/or transportation system. Lot's of details to be ironed out..."
Dry ice is pretty commonly available and is -78 C. Don't store it! Ship it overnight to where it is needed and get it into arms, where it can do some good.
"record breaking"?
I’m fairly certain the leading cause of COVID transmission is newspapers.
People are getting tired of being demanded to cower in fear of a disease that has a better than 99% survival rate for most of us. Yes, people who are at greater risk do need to take more precautions. While the number of cases has increased, the hospitalization and death rates have decreased due to better treatments being available.
I look forward to a new Democrat Administration that bans baby showers because .2% of the population, mostly over the age of 65, may get sick and die. Can we do weddings next? So glad we cleared up that issue as to whether marriage was a government thing or a religious thing. That makes it much easier to stop the practice of them.
its rna not dna based, which is unusual, but not out of the question, of course if the usurper administration gets in, it will be rationed because after all we're only 5% of the population don't you know,
Wait you people told us that if Trump lost then there would be no more discussion of kovid because it would magically become a nothing Burger. The death rate is going to be back up to 2,000 per day by January 20th so it will be big news then . Don't worry though it'll carry on so hard and so long that Joe Biden will be blamed for part of it.
This is even more stupid than your usual swill, Howie.
There were a NUMBER of us who said it would NOT end on November 3, because lefties like you love having power over others more than anything else. So not all of us were saying that.
As for the "2,000 per day" comment - I can only hope you're being sarcastic. Even if the case numbers were anywhere near what they were in March, April and May, 9 months of dealing with this has shown the hospitals how to treat these patients. Which is why even though we're having "record" numbers of cases, the death rates are nowhere near what they were back then. Note that I said death RATES; so don't waste my time countering with an example of how a whole number is higher now than back then.
Some of us are really tired of the panic porn. But I'm even more tired of this pandemic giving jack-booted government officials excuses to use power they don't deserve.
Joe Smith said...
"It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home."
'Hey, Alexa.' 'Hey, Siri.' 'Hey, Google.' 'Hey, Mercedes.'
You get the point...
YUP. Exactly why I don't have "smart appliances" or any other intrusive spy machines in my house. My appliances are dumb and just do their jobs as they were intended. I don't need my refrigerator to talk to the toaster or make shopping lists for me. Keep my damned food cold. That is all I need from you!!!
My computer has a camera with a microphone that I have to plug in to use. So...unless I am Skyping or on conference with my Doctor, it is totally disconnected from anything. Hubby put a piece of Duct Tape over his camera.
People are fools to use those "smart" devices.
Tomcc at 11:58 AM
They didn't expect the spike that occurred this summer
The USA is a big country.
In the northern states, the spikes are in the winters.
In the southern states, the "spikes" are in the summers.
That difference happens with all COVID epidemics. The COVID-19 epidemic is not an exception.
What about people like myself who have zero fear of Covid? The CDC and oracle Fauci admitted that the tests are wildly inaccurate in the false positive direction by as much as 90% false positives. Then the CDC also admits that deaths due to Covid are less than 10% of those reported as Covid deaths. Plus we have clear evidence of effective treatments now, and everybody by now should knows dozens of people who caught and recovered easily. You put those FACTS all together, and you logically have to see that you are being bamboozled into fear that is unfounded and frankly a bit evil. I have no fear of catching it, and wish I already had. You can't scare me with the disease. I am only scared of the big government/Karen complex that uses it as an excuse for endless rights violations and tyranny over neighbors, employers, employees and citizens by the hundreds of millions. 2020 is the year of the big lies. They are big, and they are many. We are acting like people without the benefits of both science and history. Unscientific, emotional bullshit.
We are all Branch Covidians now.
By the way, I saw an article in Bloomberg a couple of days ago that stated that the Pfizer vaccine has to be stored at -70 degrees C. Evidently that is not a common capability within our health and/or transportation system. Lot's of details to be ironed out...
FedEx has apparently recently acquired a lot of refrigeration facilities.
The major freight companies routinely ship stuff chilled in dry ice.
There is a racial component to COVID deaths
https://www.apmresearchlab.org/covid/deaths-by-race
"YUP. Exactly why I don't have "smart appliances" or any other intrusive spy machines in my house."
Same here...but this crap is in almost every new TV. Maybe it can be disabled and maybe not...still need to do research before buying (my plasma is still beautiful but it won't last forever).
I put very thick Gorilla Tape on my laptop camera...even Comey did that...go figure.
They can all go to hell.
I hope deaths don’t reach 2,000 a day again. But I know that hospitals in South Florida are starting to get busy again I know from a friend who works in one nearby. and I know that cases are starting to appear in my neighborhood. Early on there was talk that bad medical treatment may have killed a lot of the victims of the Spanish Flu, I think the same thing was true this spring, but I hope we have improved. It’s not just the vaccine that is coming, there is also the polyclonal antibody treatment that looks pretty good right now. Both the vaccine and the antibody treatment target the spike protein.
One thing seems pretty clear, by next Thanksgiving, this will be in the rear view mirror.
"People are fools to use those "smart" devices."
Strongly disagree. With Alexa, at least one light in every room can be turned on by voice, anywhere in the house. I can also control various air filters, plug-in devices like a heated baby lotion dispenser, and the humidifier in our nursery.
This was enormously helpful to my wife when our baby was born. She could ask the house to turn on the nursery lights from downstairs and never step into a dark room carrying our child.
We have a voice activated nursery bedtime routine programmed that switches the air filter on, and puts the dehumidifier in the nursery on alternating on/off cycles throughout the night. It also turns the heated baby lotion dispenser on for 5 minutes - when we're done changing the diaper and before the pajamas go on, baby has hot lotion, and the warmer doesn't stay on forever (nor do we have to manually turn it on and of each time).
Frankly, NOT using some smart devices in this modern age is foolish. Best part is, if I ever got worried about privacy or eavesdropping, unplugging them is totally an option. Or just changing my WiFi settings - they'll instantly go dark until I reprogram them.
If I were to say, "Alexa, alarm mode", every controlled light inside and around the outside the house (except the bedroom and nursery) goes to full bright, every air filter on the ground floor and basement shut off, and the big-speaker Alexa device in the kitchen will say - and I shit you not - "Welcome to the jungle, beeyotch", and begin playing "Fortunate Son" by CCR.
Any intruder sticking around through that deserves what they get.
I will not comply.
It's the WaPoo, which I despise, detest, and totally, (Like, TOTALLY, Mannnnnnnnn) distrust.
Has any "mainstream" source published and contact tracing article verifying that protests or mass liberal celebrations were the source of any COVID infection or are we just going to make fun of small Hoosier gatherings? I'm sure Madison and Milwaukee are convinced it was all Dodge County Hillbillies that spiked the numbers.
"YUP. Exactly why I don't have "smart appliances" or any other intrusive spy machines in my house."
No smartphone?
Some of the vaccines are RNA/DNA based and some are not. Here is an article explaining the difference: Types of COVID-19 Vaccines: Johns Hopkins. While I don't intend to take any COVID vaccine, I wouldn't dream of taking one that is RNA/DNA based.
Avoiding people altogether [when possible] works for me. Society is a minefield aside from the pandemic.
Blogger Tomcc said...
Hey Skipper- thanks for contributing your thoughts. It seems possible that by March, when a vaccine may be starting to become available, the damage will already have been done.
By the way, I saw an article in Bloomberg a couple of days ago that stated that the Pfizer vaccine has to be stored at -70 degrees C. Evidently that is not a common capability within our health and/or transportation system. Lot's of details to be ironed out...
Dry ice freezes at -78 C. It's made in industrial quantities, easily stored and shipped in insulated containers (an ordinary cooler will work), never mind that liquid nitrogen (-196 C), oxygen (-183) and argon (-186) are also widely available. I don't see this as more than a nuisance problem.
"Has any "mainstream" source published and contact tracing article verifying that protests or mass liberal celebrations were the source of any COVID infection or are we just going to make fun of small Hoosier gatherings?"
Never. Because the same media trusted by our leftist friends and our hostess is actively working against America. Protests are safe if your ideology permits. If not, no gatherings more than 6 people. If you've got 5 kids, one of 'em has to go. AOC is keeping a list.
"No smartphone?"
If the worry is truly surveillance, smartphones are the worst. Alexa has no idea where in the house I REALLY am - I can project my voice pretty well to a different room, and often that will be the one that verbally answers when I try, being that it believes itself to be the closest unit to my ears when in fact it isn't. Meanwhile, you could use the GPS from my phone to hit me with a JDAM from 6 miles away (and 5 up) and it'll smash through the roof and detonate a foot under whatever couch or chair I'm sitting in. And when I'm not home, Alexa is powerless (I have her disabled on my phone).
Meanwhile, my phone itself spies on me, to the point of discussing cruising the Danube or the Elbe with my wife (neither of us having searched for that ever before or at the time), the next time I opened Facebook there were ads for European riverine vacation deals. My wife got Groupon ads for spas in Germany and Austria. That was almost the last straw for deactivating my FB account.
Cases: past, probable, possible, and present
They will have a difficult time to confirm infection origin, especially if they have mischaracterized the transmission mode.
Grandma Killers: Government, Both Left And Right
a recent serological survey in Tokyo suggests close to half the people in the city have had the virus! Whether Japan intentionally pursued herd suppression or not that's what they got, and they did it by not impairing the transmission among those who the virus was statistically very unlikely to harm.
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Here's a study reported out of the US Marines. The headline is fake news; the body of the article makes clear what the truth is:
despite a hard quarantine including two full weeks of supervised confinement and then forced social distancing and mask protocols you got...... a higher transmission rate, not a lower one.
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the inability to culture from air in both that and another study, but able to do so from surfaces is extraordinarily solid evidence that masks are both worthless and that the contamination likely came from feces, since if the source of said surface contamination was from the air you'd be able to culture virus from the air samples, and they could not. MASKS DO NOTHING TO CONTROL FECAL SPREAD AND IN FACT WILL LIKELY ENHANCE IT SINCE THEY INCREASE THE NUMBER OF CONTACTS BETWEEN YOUR HANDS AND FACE.
Hey Skipper said...
By the way, I saw an article in Bloomberg a couple of days ago that stated that the Pfizer vaccine has to be stored at -70 degrees C. Evidently that is not a common capability within our health and/or transportation system. Lot's of details to be ironed out...
FedEx has apparently recently acquired a lot of refrigeration facilities.
The major freight companies routinely ship stuff chilled in dry ice.
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The MD Tucker regularly has on to discus covid said the other night that Trump's logistics manager, a former military guy with lots of experience in that area, has already taken steps to ensure that cryogenic facilities will be in place to receive and store the vaccine, either in dry ice or even Liquid Nitrogen.
WaPo is right about one thing: a critical factor is contact over time, space, and diversity.
It is so difficult to police the inside of people's home.
I guess you think that’s a bad thing, Professor?
Kyzer SoSay said...to me saying "People are fools to use those "smart" devices."
Strongly disagree.
I take it you don't live in California where PG&E can randomly cut off power for days for very little reason? Or where the power routinely goes out in the winter due to snow, ice and falling tree limbs?
How 'smart' and convenient will your house be when you have no power and your appliances just sit there and ignore you. Will they even work without power if everything is digital and has small internal computers to tell the appliance what to do? (serious question)
"No smart phone?"
No.
I have a flip phone that can access the internet and some other functions. I don't have any desire to access the internet from my phone. I don't need a 'smart' phone to make or receive phone calls, or take photos or videos, or play games. My cheapo ($89) flip phone can do some of that stuff, keep a contact list, get texts and receive emails..... but why bother.
I usually forget where it is anyway and only charge it up if we are traveling to be able to make an emergency call or contact my husband if we are going separate places. If I use 100 minutes of time on my cell phone a year, it would be amazing.
We take a tablet device with us if I want to use the internet, check emails, etc. when on the road.
Are false positives pulled from the case count? I know of a family which was exposed to a guy who got a false positive. They didn't know it was false until they'd cancelled the learning pod, made changes in the pod's moderator's employment, and all gotten tested themselves.
Is this a feature or a bug in the grand scheme of things?
Once the CDC screwed up the initial tests and the FDA dragged its feet on authorizing various therapeutics—in other words, since early March—there's literally been nothing to do but quarantine the elderly and those whose respiratory systems were already compromised (e.g. asthmatics) and, otherwise, act as with any other viral respiratory disease outbreak, which, contrary to e.g. Rachel Maddow's unhinged ranting, means letting natural herd immunity develop. Whether it develops by the natural spread of infection or by the introduction of a successful vaccine is interesting in some attenuated sense, but is affected not one iota by political posturing about it.
Biden-Harris Blown Sports Car... https://youtu.be/C6LLmMeauuE
Pretty much every one of my Democrat friends truly believes that a case = a hospitalization, and then a death two weeks from now.
That's how they think.
I used to follow the NJ Covid Dashboard almost daily. But for that last two weeks it gives me a blank screen and an error message when I try to access information on hospitalizations. Strange, that. Two weeks and it hasn't been fixed. I guess no one at the NJ Department of Health noticed. (This on an Android tablet).
Further to my last post, you can find the death numbers on the NJ dashboard if you try hard enough. It shows a total of 167 deaths per 100,000 laboratory confirmed cases, or 0.167%. So a little less than 2 deaths for every 1000 cases.
I like to ask my Democrat friends what percent of cases will finally result in a death. The lowest number I've gotten is 20%. That from a white suburban woman with a masters degree.
Tim in Vermont mentioned racial disparity in the dreaded covid- known to exist since pretty much the beginning of the covidiocy.
And is likely due wholly from lower vitamin D blood levels. And the official government advice is still- daily multivitamins are useless for most people and single vitamin supplements even moreso, maybe even HARM!
If you’re black, and not taking vitamin D daily, start now.
""A record-breaking surge in U.S. coronavirus cases is being driven to a significant degree by casual occasions that may feel deceptively safe... dinner parties, game nights, sleepovers and carpools.""
Unless your name is Teddi Pritzker and then you can go out clubbing and its all good!
Hopefully PA will not lock down. We are scheduled to go for Thanksgiving to my BIL's house. He's an MD who deals with infectious diseases. His oldest daughter is also getting married.
He's a Republican whose two Democrat sisters are getting upset, but won't cancel. It should be interesting.
I expect to be exposed to Covid, so I am getting extra Vitamin D by walking for 90 minutes every morning. It is sunny here in AZ.
Life must go on.
11/12/20, 11:09 AM
Blogger Readering said...
But I'm not a healthy 20 year old.
You’re not healthy whatever the age, Sparky.
We Americans have been following the directions of Fauci and Birx et al for at least 7 months. If that hasn't brought the pandemic under control, don't blame us! Maybe your "science" is wrong. Maybe you don't really know what to do, you're just faking it. That's my best guess. We haven't been listening to "the Science"; we've been listening to the bureaucrats. You know how often they're right!
That from a white suburban woman with a masters degree.
A Masters degree in what? Feminist Lit or Physics? It does matter.
Is it difficult to test for T-cell immunity?
Yes, it is.
Hey, get sick, then get better. If your health is dicey, quarantine your own ass and leave us healthy people alone.
Gospace said, "And is likely due wholly from lower vitamin D blood levels."
I'd be wary of making sweeping statements about vitamin D. I believe it's a factor, but it's just one of many possible factors.
My elderly sister-in-law (age 77) lives in Tulsa OK. Neither in great nor poor health, I am pretty sure her vitamin D level is nothing to write home about. Yet she got a mild case of COVID recently. Aside from loss of taste and smell, the only symptom was bad fatigue. That was it. No cough, no fever, no headache, no hospital. And no "long COVID" after she recovered. Pretty remarkable, I thought.
Too eagerly we pine and pray for the Magic Bullet.
How long does it take to achieve herd immunity?
I have heard 2 years with our current policy of distancing to suppress infection rates. Faster without suppression
Cases don't mean shit! Everybody gets corona viruses, some die, %99+ survive. It is what viruses do. %90 effective vaccine means what for the other %10? CDC gives you nothing to do but worry about that %1. Its more dangerous driving home at 12:30 New Years Eve.
Баба-Яга -- Baba Yaga... The Boogey Man. Where's the HazMat disposal for those virus laden masks?
tim in vermont said, "One thing seems pretty clear, by next Thanksgiving, this will be in the rear view mirror."
I'm not so sure. I live in Los Angeles County, State of California. Government and media have trained us to fear this disease almost like no other. I can easily imagine the fear will linger even after herd immunity breaks the pandemic. The lockdowns probably have dragged the process out.
As for the Pfizer vaccine, just imagine the effect of someone catching and dying of COVID a few months after vaccination. It will not encourage the proper "attitude adjustment".
I've posted this before but AZ counts every positive re-test as a new case. Don't know if other states do this or not. Since people have to test negative to go back to work we have a lot of re-testing going on.
I was skeet shooting today with a local doctor. he is 83 years old still practicing. He and his wife got the Wuhan Flu about threee weeks ago. I asked him what his symptoms were: stuffy nose and fatigue. He felt better after a week and was out and about after two weeks.
The Godfather makes a great point about all the experts like Fauci and Birx. Once again it looks like Trump was just as tuned in to what was going on as these so called experts. From what we have learned so far almost anyone with any common sense can formulate an effective strategy for dealing with the Covid 19: protect the elderly and those with comorbidities: let the kids live their lives and develop immunity; no lockdowns.
Blogger tim in vermont said...There is a racial component to COVID deaths
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L.A. county "plan" includes tying opening up to minority equity in covid metrics.
Of course, locking folks at home is generally regressive in terms of population density of homes.
Good luck with that.
My closest contact with people likely to give me COVID is when I drive day laborers to my worksite. These guys wouldn't admit to being sick, versus going to work, for anything less than arterial bleeding or unconsciousness. They need the money. I need the job done. I keep the windows rolled down.
walter,
The curious thing about the "equity metric" is that LA County meets it! I was really surprised to see this.
https://dig.abclocal.go.com/kabc/covid-tier-tracker/index.html
tim in vermont said, "One thing seems pretty clear, by next Thanksgiving, this will be in the rear view mirror."
If Biden wins, it will be sooner, and if Trump wins it may take another four years. A manufactured crisis is perfect for a manufactured savior to fix. If Biden wins, all the negative bias in the reporting will tun into positive improvements, turn-arounds, and amazing new visions of hope. None of which will be known to the virus which will proceed on it's normal path of immunity, mutation weakening, and fade into history, reportedly due to the superior leadership of a guy who will often forget what the hell he's talking about.
On vitamin D, I did read somewhere that 80% of those hospitalized for Covid also had a Vitamin D deficiency. That got me taking it daily, at least in winter - too cheap and easy to pass up, especially if that stat is true.
bagoh20 said...
On vitamin D, I did read somewhere that 80% of those hospitalized for Covid also had a Vitamin D deficiency. That got me taking it daily, at least in winter - too cheap and easy to pass up, especially if that stat is true.
And they want to lock everyone in their homes.
Hm.
"And they want to lock everyone in their homes."
Not everyone. They'll want to keep the shelves stocked at the market and have their trash picked up, no doubt.
I'd like to see a 'scoring' of positive cv-19 cases. Some score between 1 [asymptomatic] to 10 [ICU]. The government-induced panic over this virus is doing more to kill people than the virus itself.
JAORE,
Re: the Georgia runoffs, Tom Friedman of the NYT has basically called on all right-thinking Americans to violate Georgia election law by "moving" to Georgia for exactly as long as it takes to cast a ballot. The law does allow voting immediately on residence in the state, but stipulates that you need to intend to stay in the state afterwards; you can't just hole up in a motel for a couple of days, cast your ballot, then fly/drive back where you came from. Didn't stop him saying it anyway. (This was a Tweet, not in the pages of the NYT.)
Andrew Yang intimated that he would follow through on this. He didn't actually say he would register to vote in GA, only that he would go there and help the campaigns. But he helpfully supplied the registration deadline, lest all us non-Georgians had forgotten it.
I thought the police were defunded,...just makes the SWJ job harder to police inside homes. Oh darn
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