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Joe Rogan and Tim Kennedy analyze the danger of protests.
The first few minutes of this is about the stupidity of open carrying at a protest. At around 5 minutes, Kennedy begins discussing his experience in the military dealing with insurgents in foreign countries, and he compares the American protesters/rioters to insurgents.
At around 10 minutes, Kennedy talks about how perverse it is to defund the police. What is needed is more police, with more funding.
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I listened to it for a few minutes (I don’t like watching video on a computer; for me, a few minutes is a lot), but while listening to their repetition of “it’s so dumb” to open carry, I kept waiting for them to address the primary reason for carrying at all—you have a gun not go use it in a confrontation, but to avoid the confrontation altogether. Open carry furthers that goal, concealed carry does not. They may have an answer to that concern, but, if so, they were in no hurry to get to it and I finally gave up waiting.
Remember 19 years ago when cops were heroes?
Some protests can't happen if the protesters are unarmed. Others, fir example remember in 2016 there were real enough threats that Trump canceled a rally for fear of violence targeting his supporters, it is just unwise to protest and not be armed. For all my thinking the kid in Kenosha shouldn't have been carrying, if he'd listened to me, who knows what the aggressive child rapist or domestic abuser would have done when they caught him. Want people to protest without open carrying? Make it safe for everyone to protest.
Rogan and Kennedy make some excellent points that you'll never see in the approved sources of media currently curating the narrative. There's a certain instinctive programming talent in Rogan - he slides effortlessly from a session with Ron White to a session with Tim Kennedy.
Short version (to me) - When the state relinquishes its monopoly on violence, events grow dangerous and unpredictable, as well as exhilarating to the participants. Avoid places like this if you value your safety. Authorities that allow this to happen do not serve their constituents well.
Thanks for picking this up and forwarding it here. It will get eyes it otherwise would not get. One could also say it will garner attention, but why use that word?
In today’s crowds of insane people the guy or the woman with a big open carry weapon on their hip is an assurance that there is protection from the enabled crazies in the crowd. That feeling is especially true once your own talents to beat them up have lessened with old age. A big gun has only one purpose which is either to steal and to kill or to stop stealers and killers.
Reducing the number of gang-bangers would get it done too. Either/or.
But of course that would require uncomfortable conversations, and we can’t make anyone uncomfortable. Better to keep going down that wrong road again.
The first few minutes of this is about the stupidity of open carrying at a protest.
Point of clarification, they only discussed open carry while attempting to engage in a peaceful protest. Nothing was said about open carry as a means of personal or property defense during a riot.
What is needed is more police, with more funding.
Kennedy talks as though there is no diminishing return to police funding. All the police in the world can't do anything unless you have a political leadership that will support their work and a prosecutor who will prosecute crime.
Tim,the open carry thing isn't the point of the clip. The last half is comparing the protests in Portland and other places to other insurgencies the guest had dealt with and the dangerous echo chamber of ideas that drive insurgencies.
Joe Rogan is very strong physically, however, the muscle that grew between his ears, is something that limits his voice of reason. I've tried to listen to his show, but found it lacking. I'm not interested in what he thinks.
I gotta start listening to Joe Rogan. The only time I do is when you post it, and they're typically very good interviews. Rogan has the skill of listening. He makes his point, then asks the good question, and then proceeds to let his guest answer. Lets them talk. That is the key.
For instance, Sean Hannity, who is probably the 2nd highest rated radio talk host, is a horrid interviewer. Just awful. And has been for years. He has great guests that have important information to share. But he does not let them speak. He talks over them. Inserts himself into every question. Takes up the limited time they have with the guest. And then thanks them for coming on- all the while talking about himself. I cannot listen to him for that reason.
The best was Don Imus. He had important and powerful people who wanted to come onto his show all the time. He would get them loosened up and then lead them down paths they had not intended to go. It was sometimes news-making, often hilarious. Not like a Howard Stern who just likes to discuss tits and anal wax. Imus talked about serious stuff, in an irreverent way.
Rogan isn't Imus, but he sounds worth more listening time.
"Kennedy talks about how perverse it is to defund the police. What is needed is more police, with more funding."
Conventional naiveté. Assumes public safety or helping minorities is the common goal.
Defunding the police is precisely aimed at advancing prog power, making communities more prog-power-dependent, and funneling funds to prog allies, thereby solidifying prog power.
What is needed is defeating prog power, which begins with being clear about prog thinking and prog strategy.
Isn't a protest by definition peaceful? It would therefor be prudent to carry if you find yourself in a riot.
Anyone not an idiot knows we need fewer laws and more cops.
Watch the usualsuspects attack me now, providing confirmation.
Sad that comedians make more sense than most politicians and any democrat.
Tim m
Their answer is that 1) serious troublemakers can mark you out, and 2) fuckwits will see it as a challenge.
For instance, Sean Hannity... is a horrid interviewer... He has great guests that have important information to share. But he does not let them speak. He talks over them. Inserts himself into every question. Takes up the limited time they have with the guest.
Indeed. Better yet, watch Hannity get frustrated when Donald Trump Jr. turns the tables won't let Hannity interrupt, starting @5:15 in video at the following link.
"I'm not a potted plant you know."
@tim maguire: When they discussed the hazards of open carry, they were talking about the BLM protester in Austin. The BLM protesters swarmed around an Uber driver and his car. One of the protesters had a rifle and apparently made a threatening gesture towards the Uber driver. The Uber driver had a handgun and shot the protester dead. The open carry and possession of a weapon, in this case, did not work in the protester's favor.....It seems to me that when you talk about civil rights protesters from the fifties and early sixties, all the risk and danger of the protest was on the heads of those protesters. Nowadays, the risk and danger of these protests is absorbed by those who oppose or even those who are not sufficiently supportive of the protesters' view. The protesters are no longer even risking a night in jail, and God help the cop who loses his temper.
In today’s crowds of insane people the guy or the woman with a big open carry weapon on their hip is an assurance that there is protection from the enabled crazies in the crowd.
That assumes of course, that the guy or woman with the big open carry weapon on their hip is NOT one of the "enabled crazies". (And that is regardless of whether it is a crazy ANTIFA or Militia)
By European standards the US is overall very under-policed, in terms of police and security personnel/unit population.
There is a curious and weirdly uniform north-south gradient in European policing. This is consistent across different cultures too. Very odd.
Roughly,
Southern Europe (Portugal, Spain Italy and Greece) have about 2X or more police than the US. ex US has 238/100,000, Italy 456
Middle Europe (North-South middle, France Belgium Netherlands Germany Austria) has about 1.5X the US ex. Germany 381/100,000
Northern Europe (Norway Denmark Sweden Finland) has rather below-US rates ex Sweden 195
Britain overall has below US rates, as do Australia and Canada.
Check it out.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_and_dependencies_by_number_of_police_officers
Note also that the scale of policing doesnt seem to have much to do with crime rates, or is it a Butterfield effect? Spain is as safe a country as Denmark. Spain 533 Denmark 192
There is obviously something culturally or historically driven here.
I speculate further that if the US did not have to deal with a large black population it would have a scale of policing along the lines of the other English speaking countries.
To his credit, he brings all voices one his show. He has an interesting interview with James Lindsay and seems to agree with much of his analysis. As noted above, Rogan tends to supply his own spin/viewpoint into the discussion which often is "off" in some way. But for the most part, he lets the person talk a lot, for better or worse. Many of his interviews are with troubled people (mostly liberals, and a few comedians). But he did interview Abagail Schreier who talks about transgenderism from a scientific perspective in plain speak. And he's had other conservative voices on as well.
I still don't get the Rogan fandom. Neither he nor his guests (I only see what the Prof posts) strike me as all that smart, articulate, or insightful. Average multiplied by average.
Then again, I never glommed onto Imus, Rush, or any of their competitors either.
Narr
Picky listener
Temujin said...
I gotta start listening to Joe Rogan. The only time I do is when you post it, and they're typically very good interviews. Rogan has the skill of listening. He makes his point, then asks the good question, and then proceeds to let his guest answer. Lets them talk. That is the key.
Rogan is authentically uninformed. He's admitted that he does not keep up with the news or follow social media. He's generally never heard of what his guest is talking about or has never thought about more than one side of an issue, so the guests have to explain things to him. Because of that you get a whole lot more unguarded opinion than you would if they were interviewed by someone like Jake Tapper or Anderson Cooper, who know they're smarter than their guest and try to play gotcha games for sound bytes.
Joe Rogan is very strong physically, however, the muscle that grew between his ears, is something that limits his voice of reason. I've tried to listen to his show, but found it lacking. I'm not interested in what he thinks.
The point is to hear what the guest thinks, and Rogan does a good job drawing that out.
The problem with open carry is that, as a concept, it lives right next door to brandishing. Intentional or not.
"Open carry is dumb". Wow, that's so deep, man. Heavy.
What is needed is more police, with more funding.
Perhaps in some areas, but BLM is based on two major lies:
1 - That BLACKS don't commit a lot of crimes, so they're stopped and arrested more often than other groups because the police are anti-BLACK racists.
2 - That police shoot BLACK men at the drop of a hat, without good reasons.
Stealing from the WSJ's James Taranto, "Fox Butterfield, where are you?" The Dems have perfected the inversion of cause and effect. They promote and engage in riots, then complain that police are big meanies. And I suspect they really don't understand how one thing causes the other.
I work in downtown Portland. Our company is moving out and opening an office in Vancouver Wa and in the Suburbs instead. I would imagine many businesses are gong to do the same thing because there is no safety and no security. I don’t think the politicians fully understand that the downtown area is lost for the next 50 years. It used to be beautiful, safe, clean. It is none of those things anymore. It is completely disheartening to a longtime Portland resident knowing that the majority of voters in Oregon are ok with sacrificing our city to score political points.
OSU '92: The asshat mayor of Austin, Steve Adler, and the Austin City Council now allow "camping" by homeless folks, in public spaces such as parks, sidewalks, underpasses and other city property. Definitely not around where the Council or the Mayor lives or works, but yeah, junkies and bums now have shantie towns growing all over town. This is an early step in the destruction of Austin by these leftist idiots. And yes, Steve Adler does indeed wear his colon for a cowboy hat. He is an asshat.
How do I know it is intentional? Asshat Adler went to San Francisco to learn from the experts how to let homeless junkies and bums destroy a city.
Of more interest to me was their discussion re how antifa/BLM resembles a counter-insurgency.
https://amgreatness.com/2020/09/10/the-resistance-war-games-a-post-election-civil-war/
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