From "Donald Trump’s niece reveals in new book that she leaked details of his 'fraudulent' tax schemes, alleges he contributed to his brother’s death and says his retired federal judge sister disapproves of him" (Daily Mail).
The niece is the daughter of the brother who died. It's sad to think about what could have been done to prevent a death — sad to look for living persons to blame.
Most of the time, we soothe the survivors and tell them there's nothing they could have done, and when we choose to say, no, there are things you could have done that you did not do, it is probably not because those things were more obvious or had more potential to help.
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८७ टिप्पण्या:
Now there's an IQ test.
Wow, set to come out right now in 2020, his re-election year. What a coincidence. It's almost like it's been planned that way.
I'm not aware of any recovery program that blames the sober people for the actions of the drunk. In fact, it's the opposite.
My son died last September at age 27 from an accidental fentanyl overdose. Family and friends can only be accused of "failing to help" if the person misusing substances asks for help and is ignored, and I can't imagine this situation occurs often.
An individual is ultimately responsible for his or her choices, especially the bad ones, and in many cases that person is the one ignoring all the help being offered.
I went through this with one of my brothers. Alcoholic from his early teens. Mom shouldn't have kept booze in the house but the salesmen gave her those bottles. Who knew.
Outsiders thought we needed to do more but the three of us were just kinda frozen in place. He seemed too old for that. They seemed like ignorant do gooders
He said he knew what he was doing, his best days were behind him, etc. Died at 57. I miss him but he was a free agent. Most my hard living musician mates died around the same age, still smoking and drinking and reminiscing. That's the way men used to go back then.
I can’t wait till the election is over.
Not how addiction works.
Doesn't anyone like Trump or approve of what he does? Geez. Five years ago Trump was well-known, and even though he had warts, was reasonably well-liked. Or am I missing something? What ever happened in those five years to change things? It's a mystery...
People who have never dealt with alcoholism think, "They could have done something."
Believe me, if mothers could get children sober, they would do it wholesale. Fact is, they can't.
Maybe she needed the money.
Eh, just another career statist cashing in with a book deal. That she can milk both her uncle's success and her fathers death for profit says more about her than her family.
Alcoholic’s have to find help.
I wonder how much she was paid?
There's little I want to see about an intra-family spat. I just wonder how much the daughter here has been helped. Maybe writing the book was a tonic.
I assume she's gonna make a bunch of money from this. It doesn't matter if any of it is true or not. Trump hate books are no doubt a very lucrative industry.
And John Bolton's book is coming out soon.
The people who hate Trump will continue to hate Trump and not vote for him. Mary Trump's and John Bolton's book are just anti-Trump porn for those with TDS. A few headlines for a week. Appearances on lowly rated CNN and MSNBC.
I can't wait for the breathless interviews on "Morning Joe."
Does the niece have any niece insights into Donald Trump's collusion with the Kremlin?
According to Robert "The FBI Whitewasher Mueller", Russian-Intelligence agent Joseph Mifsud introduced Trump's foreign-policy advisor George Papadopoulos to Vladimir Putin's niece.
Coincidence?
I think that in general it is hard to help an alcoholic. I have no idea what the sister thinks could have been done.
As for fraudulent tax schemes, is she a tax attorney? How does she know they were involved in fraudulent schemes? Even if she had access to all his taxes, how would she know what was fraudulent or not.
The tax laws are so opaque that even the IRS doesn't know. Every year at tax time we hear stories of people with relatively simple tax questions getting different answers depending on what agent they talk to
Seems like after 40 years or so and 4 bankruptcies, if there was fraud we would have seen something.
Just more attempts at creating FUD.
John Henry
Helping (or saving) the alcoholic is no help at all. It's called enabling. Tough love is painful to both, but necessary.
THEOLDMAN
Trump has repeatedly expressed his sadness over his brother's death. What was he supposed to do? Fred Trump was an adult alcoholic who couldn't hold it together despite a very privileged upbringing. There are people like that at all levels of society.
No matter what the "nice" politically correct thing you could say in public, I'd say it's well understood out in the real world that a self-destructive alcoholic/addict has to want to help himself before anyone else can help them.
But in an election year, everything is Trump's fault.
and when we choose to say, no, there are things you could have done that you did not do, it is probably not because those things were more obvious or had more potential to help.
It's probably because we don't like you and are looking for any reason at all to attack you and make you look bad.
Too cryptic for me.
Bitches don't like the guy. We get it.
Narr
Lovely morning here, thank you
I've got a sister in law who let her mother, who lives 20 minutes away, nearly starve to death, quite literally. My wife finally over care of her mother, the little old dementia sufferer, via court petitions costing us over $10k. The sister in law is now angry that my wife "tore the family apart" with her court case to prevent this murder by negligence.
Our only guess is that the sister in law really, really wants the small amount of inheritance she would get when her mom dies. We are now determined to spend every cent of the estate on care of the little old lady, before she passes.
It's sad to think about what could have been done to prevent a death — sad to look for living persons to blame.
Is it a coincidence that Derek Chauvin (etc) are being charged with murder (etc) for failing to prevent a death? Is it sad to blame them?
It's not like Daddy and Brother put a knee on his neck and made him drink. This type of blatently phony manufactured TDS outrage deflects attention from the real issue: we now know from a source close to Melania that Trump's careful waddle down the ADA compliant cripple ramp was because his diaper was near capacity.
"sad to look for living persons to blame."
A political hit job: "sad," says Althouse, so sad.
Yes, we already know that many women don't like Trump and we already know why. The same women seem to adore Bill Clinton. That's the real story here.
If Trump did indeed contribute to his brother's death, I hope he pays a price in line with his culpability in a fashion similar to the price Ted Kennedy paid for his more direct roll in the death of Mary Jo Kopechne. Fair is fair, right?
Did DJT give his brother a haircut in high school to murder his brother like the Howard's of 2016 claim Romney did to that high school classmate?
Also, remember how Romney also purposely gave cancer to that woman who used to work at a company Bain purchased but was run by the obama-supporting Bain Capital?
And hey, didnt Romney also "not pay taxes for 10 years"? I think Harry Reid heard that from "somebody".
Oh, and remember how the Bush family literally "funded the rise of Hitler"?
Its like Howard and ARM and their pals just recycle the same old stuff.
When Trump Senior died he left his four surviving children the big money.Niece Mary and her brother each inherited the $200,000 given to all the grandchildren.Since Fred was dead they did not get his "share" of granddads $$$.Mary and her brother sued the estate - resulting family drama.So this lady has millions of dollars worth of bitterness against Uncle Donald.
It's impossible now to imagine what people would have obsessed about if Trump wasn't elected. Could the same people who seem to be completely overcome with derangement about this man really live without that emotional fix everyday?
Trump contributed to his brother's death. How so? Did he pour liquor down his throat?
And then there's this:
Donald Trump's feelings about his brother had other consequences for the family as well. In 2000, shortly after Fred Trump Sr. died, Fred Jr.'s son contested the will in Queen's court. (Fred Trump's Sr.'s estate, which was valued at somewhere between $100 million and $300 million, had been divided between the living siblings, leaving considerably less to Fred III and his family.) Donald Trump retaliated by cutting off medical benefits for Fred III's critically ill infant son. It was a bitter fight, and like so many Trump family battles, one waged publicly in the tabloids.
SO there's been bad blood between mary trump and President Trump since 2000, and he nothing to do with Donald Trump being involved in his brother's death.
Looks like Fred Trump Jnr. died at the age of 42 in 1981 of alcoholism. From what I can tell President Trump has had little to do with Mary for the last 20 years. Not surprised she'd try to get revenge and her earn some $$$. by attacking Donald Trump.
Now research Theodore Roosevelt and his brother Eliot.
And we will soon learn that senior was a Nazi spy reporting to the Comintern via a representative from the greater east asia co-prosperity sphere.
Bitches don't like the guy. We get it.
Nonsense. I'm a bitch and I love him.
Maybe I should start some sort of 503(c) and do a grift.
Profit!
unlikely, the president has been a teetotaler since that time,
The cruelty of the media is on display again. “Did someone in your family die of an overdose, or driving drunk, or from cirrhosis, or suicide? You are to blame.”
And that's Donalds fault, how?????
You can do very little to help an alcoholic or drug addict- I know this from experience. You eventually start to realize that pretty much all the aid you rendered in good faith was counterproductive, and you end up realizing it far too late.
Trumps responsible "by failing to help [his brother]"
How does she know that Trump attempt to give help?
But, that aside, personal responsibility has a commanding role here. Namely, his brother's personal responsibility.
The niece is going for blam, not balm.
Why not then the death of every family member is on the family?
Is there never a case where more could not have been done?
Oh well, she'll get her 15 minutes.
On CNN, MSNBC, and each of the major networks.
Most of the time, we soothe the survivors and tell them there's nothing they could have done, and when we choose to say, no, there are things you could have done that you did not do, it is probably not because those things were more obvious or had more potential to help.
What’s this “most of the time?”
It seems like there are different reactions depending on who is involved.
There seem to be situations where most of the time cons say that some D or anti-DJT person committed murder. Mary seems to be selling something a lot softer. Why don’t folks suggest that DJT had his brother suicided? It’s not hard to imagine that some folks would promote that accusation if the political affiliations were reversed. In fact it’s hard to imagine that such would not be suggested. Everybody knows that Ds are into murder and pizza.
Did somebody get cut out of the will?
donald ONLY cares about himself
that's it!
So she needs money, and is using her Uncle to get the big bucks because she knows the Progressives will buy anything against Trump. The book will end up with Hillary's in the $1 bin soon enough.
R C Belaire said...
Doesn't anyone like Trump or approve of what he does? Geez. Five years ago Trump was well-known, and even though he had warts, was reasonably well-liked. Or am I missing something? What ever happened in those five years to change things? It's a mystery...
6/15/20, 9:22 AM
He beat Hillary and stopped the Progressive train to liberal HELL.
The book will reportedly lay bare how his sister, Maryanne Trump Barry, an 83-year-old retired federal judge, disapproves of Trump's presidency.
The New York Times expose to which Trump's niece Mary contributed, reveals that Trump's sister accepted income illegally generated by Fred Sr's fake company, All County Building Supply & Maintenance. NYT explains how the Trump family set up the sham company to make large, untaxed cash transfers from Fred and Mary Trump to their children to appear as legitimate business expenses. All County paid vendor bills and then billed other Trump operations using inflated invoices to drive up rents, thus overstating Trump Company expense while driving up permitted rent for tenants on their units.
Sister Maryanne, in the finest Trump family tradition, stupidly reported the income on her annual statement to the Federal District Court but was permitted to retire without immediate legal consequence. Donald also made millions, year after year from this scheme - but he too is getting a pass.
wendybar: "And that's Donalds fault, how?????"
Because he is the republican President.
Mere republican candidacy for office or republican status is usually sufficient for guilt determination and retroactive responsibility for what others did.
For instance, todays republicans are guilty of democrat run slavery, Jim Crow and segregation.
Likewise, Trump is guilty for Hillary colluding with Russia and Biden's Ukrainian corruption.
My mother was an alcoholic. She stopped drinking when she was ready to, not because of anything anyone else did. I recognized early on there was nothing I could do about it.
My brother-in-law, an alcoholic and druggie, died at age 53. Because of his alcohol and drug abuse, also the reason he was missing one leg. My parents-in-law would have died financially well to do were it not for the money they wasted trying to help him.
I'm responsible for my behavior, no one else's. I guided my kids the best I could. Which is all I can do for them- set a good example and offer them lessons. That's what my in laws did. 5 of their 6 kids turned out fine.
Andrew Jackson fought 100 duels. In one duel, after his opponent shot him in chest, Jackson coldly took aim and shot the man dead. I bet his relatives wrote about that!
In the colonial militia of Virginia in the 1750s, Washington ordered the hanging of numerous deserters and likely others. I bet they wrote about that, too.
Patrick Henry kept his mentally wife hidden away in a room at home. (True!) Until her death. What a monster. (He had visited the first mental institution in the colony and was too horrified to send her there.)
John Adams defended the British in court after the Boston Massacre. Clearly unfit for service as President.
No telling how many racist movies Reagan appeared it. He actually carried a pistol to defend himself against death threats from Communists in movie unions. How dare he.
sdSs: "There seem to be situations where most of the time cons say that some D or anti-DJT person committed murder."
LOLOLOLOLOL
What an absolutely perfect representative example of a lefty accusation.
adSs: "It’s not hard to imagine that some folks would promote that accusation if the political affiliations were reversed. In fact it’s hard to imagine that such would not be suggested."
And there you have it.
Lefty transference + projection.
I rate this comment by adSs as Inga Level 3.
It's sad to think about what could have been done to prevent a death — sad to look for living persons to blame.
"ALSO: This does help Trump, of course."
I've seen an alcoholic suffer an intervention and go through an expensive cold turkey rehab. She was back on the booze within 2 months of getting out.
I seriously doubt there is anything DJT could have done.
Those who hope Trump is becoming more and more unpopular, read this and weep scalding hot tears of rage:
https://www.wftv.com/news/trending/800000-register-trumps-tulsa-rally-amid-pandemic-campaign-manager-says/BJ6TYAUAEZCADNBYVDQB2WTPCA/
"Trump’s campaign manager, Brad Parscale, wrote on Twitter Friday that more than 200,000 tickets had been requested from interested event-goers.
By Sunday, Parscale said that 800,000 people had registered for the rally.
According to Forbes, the BOK Center, where the rally will be held, only seats 19,200."
How many Democrats who vocally support overturning Citizen's United will condemn the publication of this book in an election year?
Is there even one?
Paul Ryan and Mitt Romney gave people cancer and killed old people.
And dogs.
Meanwhile Governor Cuomo sent Winnie Xi Flu positive patients back to old folks homes.
Not sure where this ranks on the scale.
Plus, Ronnie Raygun killed us all with Star Wars.
And net neutrality killed everybody.
That seems right.
Trump is also a racist because he did not stop Black men from murdering each other.
"I'm not aware of any recovery program that blames the sober people for the actions of the drunk. In fact, it's the opposite."
I think we're soon likely to see addiction therapists trashing their own professional expertise in an effort to chase anti-Trump Twitter clout, much the way the epidemiologists did.
mary seems to be the one, that leaked the 20 year old tax return, how she got her hands on it, is a question.
Everybody knows that Ds are into murder and pizza.
Glad you agree. The rest of your comment is, as usual, nonsense.
KaChing!!
You can lead a horse to water, but you can't make him not drink.
Anyone who thinks it is easy to convince an alcoholic get sober is ignorant and unrealistic.
My apologies to bitch Carol@1028. I painted with too-broad brush.
I recalled DJT's grandfather being called a draft-dodging pimp by an investigative journalist years ago, and thought, "How colorful! I wonder if it's true."
According to Wikipedia, Opa Trump left Bavaria at sixteen, before serving his obligatory two-years with the colors. When he went back later with a lot of money, the Bavarian government found him guilty of draft evasion and he lost his Bavarian and German citizenship and had to come back to the USA.
He did make money in the Northwest, Canada, and Alaska, partly or largely through brothel ownership.
Really nice American immigrant success story. My own Opa did much the same, hieing himself from Hamburg when opportunity arose, but though he was a modest success he had no experiences like that AFAWK, and made less money.
Narr
Substance abusing bro(s)? I'm an expert
Ken B said...
The cruelty of the media is on display again. “Did someone in your family die of an overdose, or driving drunk, or from cirrhosis, or suicide? You are to blame.”
6/15/20, 10:37 AM
I'm sure Donald Trump tells himself much more convincing and depressing things about it every day.
That just shows the hateful insanity at the core of the left. And hopefully motivates the President to shove these vultures into furnaces, as they richly deserve.
I had my last drink Aug 31, 1987. I self ID'ed in the AF and went thru a 30 Day rehab at Clark AB, PI. I went because I wanted and needed to. I was close to hitting rock bottom and I didn't want to lose my wife and son, and as an AF officer, I figured I was giving up my career. But I wanted to. This after months of issues and problems and people telling me what I needed to do. I went. And I went when I wanted to. Before I was ready, they could all go to hell. I know lots of people who haven't gone. Won't go. Can't go, whatever. When they see that they need to stop drinking, they will let you know. Otherwise, they just want you to F off and go to hell while they look for their next drinking opportunity.
LOL - Daily Mail article states that Donald Trump, Jr. inherited $400 + fortune in today's dollars. Interesting no facts to support this - yet in one picture the Daily Mail even just says Donald Trump, Jr. inherited $400+ million (notice no qualifiers). Yet, I looked up when Trump, Sr. died, in 1999. $1 inherited back then would be roughly the same value. To wit: the 1999 inflation rate was 2.21%. The current year-over-year inflation rate (2019 to 2020) is now 0.12%. If this number holds, the rate of inflation is so negligible that $1 today will roughly maintain its value. If you disagree, I'll go back to 1980 $1 would be worth approximately $3.35. So the question really is how much did the President inherit? Since Trump, Sr. was in the real estate business, which uses a lot of leverage, we would need to know his Net Worth plus what the kids received in inheritance after taxes are paid. Either way the $400+ million figure is fiction in someones imagination. NY Times not a paragon of truth estimated when Fred Trump died his will left $20 million to the surviving children (4). Nothing said about Fred Trump, Jr. who died in 1981. Normally Fred Jr's kids would inherit. Either way, they split $20mm in 4 shares or $20mm in 5 shares. Not even close to the $400mm narrative from news sources or publishers who push another narrative - Trump was not a good business person.
gadfly is giving us his best tax analysis. Glad he is nowhere near where I live.
I might accidentally take tax advice.
I predict the author wouldn’t be able to testify in court about anything she writes in the book. Sally told Harry told Johnny told Mary told me isn’t all that convincing. I bet it’ll be a bust.
I just hope that nobody comes out and says that Trump ever said that he can grab women by the pussy or shoot someone on 5th Avenue. THAT would be the death of his campaign for sure!
- Krumhorn
Everyone has already correctly pointed out, there is no helping an alcoholic. One commenter correctly asserted, if it was possible, mothers would be doing it wholesale. Mothers would literally whore themselves out for the cheapest prices and make it up on volume. That is no joke.
But one story brings it home for me. Close friends of ours has a 20 something son who is an alcoholic. The mother, and stepfather met in AA. 60 years recovery between them. Active in AA, have sponsored hundreds of drunks in working the Steps. Between them, they have been unable to give this poor soul any guidance. It is sad, and indescribably frustrating to a person that has found a solution, to watch another person kill themselves in slow motion.
Now... Joe Biden. His first wife, did he kill her. Hunter... couldn't Joe have cut off his Burisma cocaine/alcohol/whore cashflow. And Joe's daughter, tossed for cocaine addiction, did he save her?
Three alcoholic outcomes... Recovery, Insanity or Death. The drinker has to want to stop. The Hidin' Bidens... with good reasons to.
P.S. Never use a preposition to end a sentence with!
The mother, and stepfather met in AA. 60 years recovery between them. Active in AA, have sponsored hundreds of drunks in working the Steps. Between them, they have been unable to give this poor soul any guidance.
That reminds me of a county patient from long ago. He had Crohn's disease of the colon. I had done a colectomy on him. His parents had met at an Ostomy club meeting. Talk about bad genes! Anyway, he was going to prison and wanted me to take out his rectum because it was useless to him but the boys in prison would use it. Painful as hell for him. As I recall, I did take it out for him. Almost 50 years ago.
Goddess of the Classroom has left a new comment on the post ""The book will... allege that Trump and his father...":
My son died last September at age 27 from an accidental fentanyl overdose. Family and friends can only be accused of "failing to help" if the person misusing substances asks for help and is ignored, and I can't imagine this situation occurs often.
An individual is ultimately responsible for his or her choices, especially the bad ones, and in many cases that person is the one ignoring all the help being offered.
Me: And as some of you might remember, my daughter died last September at age 40 from an accidental fentanyl overdose. She had been in rehab several times. Gone through addiction with "blues" and Adderall, as well as some heroin use I was not aware of until her death. I have 26 years clean and sober. There is only so much you can do to someone who does not want to stop or hit rock bottom and have to stop. Her rock bottom was death and leaving behind two young teenagers. This will be my first Father's Day without her. Addiction is a bitch but the fault is hers alone.
THEOLDMAN
By Sunday, Parscale said that 800,000 people had registered for the rally.
Will some brave leftist come forward and identify any politician, living or dead, that could motivate 800,000 potential voters to send their campaign all of their contact information and demographics?
I am to believe, a politician, with that kind of influence, is going to lose to Biden(I know he will not be the candidate, but he's the only one in the poll)
It was suggested above that Fred Sr. limited the division of his estate to his surviving children and cut out Fred Jr.'s kids except for the (relative) pittance given to the other grandchildren. Unless there were other circumstances we are not aware of, that was a huge mistake that no competent estate planner would have recommended (and would, in fact, have strongly counseled against), although the final decision is, of course, the client's. As, in fact, apparently happened, guaranteed to create family disharmony.
--gpm
C'mon, man! When the books hit, along with Tommie Arnolds video and Omarosa's audio tape, Trump is done. For sure, this time..
By Sunday, Parscale said that 800,000 people had registered for the rally.
Imagine if those 800,000,, plus thousands more, contacted CNN and MSNBC sponsors. Or, Nascar and NFL. Or, flooded twitter . That is one sad difference between left and right.
Now, what if Trump organization has email and cell phone of all those people and sends frequent blasts with suggestions as to who might benefit from mass attention Fun to think about.
“I am to believe, a politician, with that kind of influence, is going to lose to Biden”
No, yur supposed to think/believe exactly what you are thinking. But actually yur not the most important observer that needs to be message massaged.
Brad’s job is on the line.
Had someone close die once where it was certainly possible that different actions by several different people might have changed the outcome. I have never brought that subject up with any involved, there is nothing to be gained by it except to inflict pain.
Even from a political standpoint Trump's opponents shouldn't want this book out, it's a ghoulish attack and you know that at one of these rallies Trump is going to bring this up now and display a very human side when talking about his brother.
Ways to help a drunk (and ways those ways go wrong):
1) Confiscate his booze. Without booze, the drunk is made sober against his will. He is now helped. The sober drunk seeks ways to replace his confiscated intoxicants, eventually succeeding. The formerly sober drunk is now a drunk drunk with no booze in his possession to confiscate.
2) Confiscate his money. Without money, the drunk can't buy booze. Without booze, the drunk is made sober against his will. He is now helped. Without money, the drunk can't buy food, clothing, shelter, or transportation. Besides being sober the drunk is an indigent person dependant on the resources of others. He complains that people treat him like an infant, states that lack of self-esteem led him to seek solace in booze in the first place. The sober drunk is given an allowance to restore his independence and his self-esteem, which he spends on booze.
3) Confiscate everyone's booze. Without booze, the drunk is made sober against his will. He is now helped. The sober drunk seeks ways to replace his confiscated intoxicants, eventually succeeding because enterprising criminals soon discover that vast wealth is to be had supplying sober drunks with booze when no booze may be legally manufactured or transported. Enterprising criminals use their vast wealth to bribe and/or intimidate the police and the judiciary, making them effectively immune from all sanctions against the manufacture and transportation of booze. As long as the sober drunk has money illegal booze is as ubiquitous as water.
4) Confiscate his money.
Goddess and Marcus-
My heart breaks for you.
As to this story, interesting it comes out now during a pandemic when governors have been canceling AA meetings or limiting the number of people who can attend (you don't sign up in advance for an AA meeting)
It really infuriates me, the people who are actively harmed by that decision. Keeping the addicts who want help and had been getting help away from that help really does kill people.
Some really interesting interviews with Trump back a few decades. He spoke movingly in one about his brother and the heartbreak of watching him succumb to his alcoholism. Trump said, IIRC, that the family had tried everything and that re-hab didn't work for long. Witnessing the wreckage, Trump vowed to never drink, and he hasn't.
When Trump Senior died he left his four surviving children the big money.Niece Mary and her brother each inherited the $200,000 given to all the grandchildren.Since Fred was dead they did not get his "share" of granddads $$$. }}}
I don't understand this kind of bequest. If G-d forbid we were to lose one of our kids, then the 50% of estate that they would have otherwise gotten would absolutely be left to their kids. Or in the alternative, if the grandchildren are all well into adulthood, divide the estate up equally among all kids and grandkids. But to leave Fred's kids, who have already lost their father, with WAY less than the millions given to Fred's surviving siblings?? Feh.
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