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Retweeted by President Trump, who is himself older than 67 and deserves no special mercy on account of his age.


I agree that the recommended sentence is ridiculously harsh, but not because us people in our 60s deserve extra compassion.

Why am I giving this post my "Trump pardons" tag? The more vindictive the prosecution looks, the easier it seems for Trump to do what we expect him to do.

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Marcus Bressler म्हणाले...

The only question is whether PDJT will wait until after the election to pardon Stone.

THEOLDMAN

Many more to come IMO

cacimbo म्हणाले...

Wow, talk about abuse of power. This is disgusting. They want him to do 9 years for LYING. This sickens me, I hope Trump pardons him immediately.

gilbar म्हणाले...

he's complaining 'cause he's going to lose years 68-76?
AS IF people do things at that age

(i KNOW that y'all are that age, but...) Think about your years 20-29?
Think those are LESS important?

Mike Sylwester म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Mike Sylwester म्हणाले...

What will be the recommended sentence for Kevin Clinesmith, the FBI lawyer who hid and altered CIA messages about Carter Page's previous collaboration with the CIA?

cacimbo म्हणाले...

Don't forget this is on top of how the FBI conducted the arrest. They tipped off CNN then showed up with a dozen agents guns drawn, toting a ram to bust down the door. Stone opened the door - it was all a media show. Another abuse of power by the FBI.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

Why am I giving this post my "Trump pardons" tag? The more vindictive the prosecution looks, the easier it seems for Trump to do what we expect him to do.

That’s a canny insight, Professor.

Mike Sylwester म्हणाले...

In the case of Roger Stone, an aggravating factor was that he actively supported Donald Trump's political campaign.

The same aggravating factor applies to Michael Flynn. In order to deal with Flynn's appointment to the position of National Security Advisor, the FBI used a transcript of a secretly recorded phone conversation between Flynn and the Russian Ambassador. Then the FBI interviewed Flynn about that conversation, intending to find discrepancies between the transcript and the FBI interview. Based on those discrepancies, Flynn was charged with lying to the FBI and now faces prison time.

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

"us people in our 60s"

But what about WE people in our 60s?

Big Mike म्हणाले...

he's complaining 'cause he's going to lose years 68-76?
AS IF people do things at that age


@gilbar, I have a nice list of accomplishments from that time, with a couple years still to go.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

They tipped off CNN then showed up with a dozen agents guns drawn, toting a ram to bust down the door.

@cacimbo, more like two dozen, IIRC

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

How many years for WaPoop, CNN, and MSNBC? They lie to us all the time. And what about Rep. Adam Scheisskopf? His alternative memo to the Nunes memo was full of lies, and the OIG proved it. Is he to lie to the American people, the Congress and the Executive Branch without consequence? What kind of example is that for our children? Will people in Russia, China, Africa and South America be able to better their governance with the example of Adam Schiff before them?

A candid world demands an answer.

gilbar म्हणाले...

@gilbar, I have a nice list of accomplishments from that time, with a couple years still to go.

Seriously? compared to your twenties?
You're going to SERIOUSLY argue, that the roof of your house has more accomplishments than the foundation?
Seriously?

gilbar म्हणाले...

admittedly, i was being snarky when i said AS IF :)

Earnest Prole म्हणाले...

Watching the great documentary Get Me Roger Stone you have to conclude at a minimum that Roger is prison-curious.

gilbar म्हणाले...

What'd You do in your twenties?
"Oh, i finished school, got married, started a business, had kids... What'd You Do?"
"Me? I spent those nine years in Prison"

MayBee म्हणाले...

They also went after him knowing that the Russia dossier was a hoax, and there was very little reason to suspect he was working with Russia.

I wonder if any of the reporters who pushed the collusion feel a little bit bad about what they've done to people's lives.

Danno म्हणाले...

I am all for pardoning people who are set up in a perjury trap, but Roger Stone, like all Republicans has to learn the Bill Clinton phrase, "I don't really recall" when asked anything by the Feds.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

We people, not us people.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

The extra compassion is because of not much life left to try out redemption.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

Also the taxpayers want to bail out before high medical costs kick in.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

In the 60s the brain is no longer fully formed. People start reasoning like women.

Browndog म्हणाले...

The Scooter Libby case set the precedent.

Bill, Republic of Texas म्हणाले...

"Why am I giving this post my "Trump pardons" tag? The more vindictive the prosecution looks, the easier it seems for Trump to do what we expect him to do.

'That’s a canny insight, Professor.'"

I'm not understanding the insight. Is it that the prosecutors are intentionally being unreasonable so they give Trump a reason to pardon? That makes no sense.

After (just off the top of my head) Ruby Ridge, Sen Stevens, the rancher guy, Hillary, Podesta and Trump, the DOJ needs a deep and thorough cleaning and I don't see Barr as being capable.

Bob Boyd म्हणाले...

Think those are LESS important?

They are when you're 67.

MayBee म्हणाले...

Browndog said...
The Scooter Libby case set the precedent.


Or Martha Stewart. Same same. It's all Comey. When will people realize how awful he has been for this country?

buster म्हणाले...

This outrage could not have occurred without the willing participation of a federal judge. The sentencing guidelines did not compel this result. Rather than stand between Roger Stone and the vindictiveness of the prosecutors, the judge piled on her own vindictiveness. Judge Sullivan is doing the same thing in the Michael Flynn case.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

Seriously? compared to your twenties?

@gilbar, college, unable to land good job after graduation due to 1-A classification, draft notice (you may have heard of Vietnam?), graduate school on the GI Bill, married in late twenties, junior position in high tech start up. Company went bust. Starting career over in a new job in another small startup (I would be in my thirties when it went bust).

At 67 I was one of the most senior engineers in a large corporation with a track record of successful projects over the years and an entry in the company wiki. Working on interesting and challenging projects as a direct report to a corporate officer. Numerous young engineers I had mentored now earning awards in their own right (damned proud of that!). Received a patent for machine learning applications to healthcare delivery. Now retired. Living the good life. I might want to swap my libido today for the libido I had as a twenty-something, but that and my musculature as a young martial artist who pumped a lot of iron versus a paunchy old geezer with metal joints are about all I would be willing to exchange.

Browndog म्हणाले...

Or Martha Stewart. Same same. It's all Comey. When will people realize how awful he has been for this country?

Stewart wasn't political.

Scooter Libby:

-Investigating a non- crime. Valerie Plame was not undercover, and she being Joe Wilson's wife was public knowledge.

-The target wasn't Libby; it was Dick Cheney.

-The prosecutors knew from the beginning who committed the so called crime, yet kept investigating until someone close to the target was prosecuted.

-The sum total of all the crimes were "giving false statements.

-Elderly man given an extremely harsh sentence when probation was within the sentencing guidelines

-Liberals cheer, and use this as proof as to how corrupt this republican President is.

gilbar म्हणाले...

At 67 I was one of the most...

hmmmm... And WHERE do you think'd you be IF you spent your twenties IN PRISON?
No offense, but are y'all senile, or something?

wendybar म्हणाले...

The Coup plotters had better get more than that!!! There are so many, they should probably put them in Gitmo.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

I'm not understanding the insight. Is it that the prosecutors are intentionally being unreasonable so they give Trump a reason to pardon?

The way Althouse and I see it, Trump needs to lay the groundwork for a pardon. The judge and prosecutors are intentionally being unreasonable to demonstrate how much they hate Trump, not to help him. But Trump is saying to the public, look at this old man being hounded by the grandstanding lying liars in the FBI while Joe and Hunter Biden go free. The more sympathy he generates for Stone, the less heat he takes for the inevitable pardon.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

@gilbar, okay I didn’t understand your frame of reference. Still, when I got that draft notice I would not have bet that I would still be alive at 25.

Browndog म्हणाले...

There is also a Jullian Assange aspect to this.

This is a man that will probable die in jail for the crime of contributing to Hillary's loss without facing a jury.

Michael K म्हणाले...

Browndog said...
There is also a Jullian Assange aspect to this.

This is a man that will probable die in jail for the crime of contributing to Hillary's loss without facing a jury.


But Seth Rich, who gave him the thumb drive with the data is dead, so there is that.

Jeff म्हणाले...

@Buster,
The prosecutors are asking for nine years. The judge has not made a sentencing decision yet.

narciso म्हणाले...

judge Jackson, was the attorney for William 'cold cash' Jefferson, since when were assanges tidbits top secret, until they involved Hillary Clinton,

now I give roger stone, demerits for hanging around with leftist twink randy credico, and deighning to legitimate that national enquirer story planted likely by fusion gps, but those aren't indictable offenses,

how have you been, mike Sylvester?

narayanan म्हणाले...

Blogger buster said...

This outrage could not have occurred without the willing participation of a federal judge. The sentencing guidelines did not compel this result. Rather than stand between Roger Stone and the vindictiveness of the prosecutors, the judge piled on her own vindictiveness. Judge Sullivan is doing the same thing in the Michael Flynn case.
---------------++++++++++++++
do judges go to cocktail parties?

tds म्हणाले...

Exactly because Trump is older than 67, he knows how many wonderful things imprisoned for unjustly high sentence 67 yo Roger Stone would be missing. Exactly because of this he can empathize.

narciso म्हणाले...

the ny state prosecutors also charged manafort, to prevent him from being pardoned, but the appeals court reversed that situation, they used steele and klimnik, who both worked with deripasha, to set the 'narrative', the horowitz reports reveals the earlier connection,

jaydub म्हणाले...

gilbar, were you also a dick in your twenties, or did this character flaw develop later?

Sebastian म्हणाले...

Just in case there was any doubt, progs also lie about wanting sentencing reform and an end to the "carceral state."

They just want their enemies to get all the harsh sentences, and the state to be a tool they can use.

David-2 म्हणाले...

The DOJ recommended nine years for stuff they didn't prove - and they didn't have to prove it because they didn't charge him for it.

Among the many disgusting "features" of our current prosecution system - don't get me started - is this relatively new tendency to convict on relatively minor things (including "process" crimes) and recommend sentencing the "perp" as if he had done the things the prosecutor claims but never bothered to prove.

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Just another case of the Federal Prosecutions being used as political gang assassinations of innocent people.There are thousands a year.But Defense lawyers cannot complain.Our fees are all that you own. And that is the biggest threat used by the Feds. Plead or else!

narciso म्हणाले...

so in order to prevent a slapdown like with Arthur Andersen, they force general Flynn into a plea, it's taken years for Sydney powell, to cut through all that underbrush to get to the truth, and it was all the fruit of the steele dossier, the most dangerous piece of dezinforma since the Zinoviev letter, which toppled the first macdonald govt,

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Those silly words about nobody being deprived of life, liberty or property without due process of law means the Feds will use the process of law to deprive you of life , liberty and property.

narciso म्हणाले...

the model was john Sirica's collusion with the Watergate prosecutors, now if you're more conspiratorial, one might consider more severe pressure exerted on howard hunt,

Inga म्हणाले...

Defrauding the American people deserves a harsh sentence. One after another of Trump’s associates aided and abetted that scheme and their asses are all sitting in jail.

Howard म्हणाले...

I see you guys are all squishy and progressive over civil rights when it's a flaccid chunky pasty old white dude getting the shaft. Pale-faces matter

Browndog म्हणाले...

While liberals decriminalize every thing in sight, try to abolish cash bonds, and the police, they tout themselves as very hard line law and order types when it comes to..well, non-liberals.

narciso म्हणाले...

turbo tim Geithner didn't pay taxes for 5 years, but they had to make him treasury secretary, even though he failed to stop the lehman collapse, which would have made his promotion unnecessary,

अनामित म्हणाले...

Blogger MayBee said...
They also went after him knowing that the Russia dossier was a hoax, and there was very little reason to suspect he was working with Russia.

I wonder if any of the reporters who pushed the collusion feel a little bit bad about what they've done to people's lives.

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!! *wipes tear* Oh, you're funny.

narciso म्हणाले...

natasha Bertrand is still citing david laufman as evidence so no they 'aren't over macho grande'

Howard म्हणाले...

Touche, Browndog

hombre म्हणाले...

What “government” recommends a chickenshit sentence like this while the “dossier” and Russia hoax perps remain unprosecuted and unnoticed by Mueller’s button men?

Ken B म्हणाले...

Age IS relevant to *unjust* sentences. What if the unfair punishment is 20 lashes? That would kill many 67 year olds but not many 22 year olds.

rcocean म्हणाले...

Stone will be pardoned one day after the election. No matter if Trump wins or loses.

rcocean म्हणाले...

Why Stone is looking at 9 years, while Comey and McCabe seem to have skated away Scot-free is absurd. We have two forms of justice, one for D's and one for R's.

rcocean म्हणाले...

At 67 a nine-year sentence could mean "Jail For life" - age does matter.

Narr म्हणाले...

Can't leave a guy like Stone free to work his evil on an undeserving world!

Narr
We can all sleep better now

RigelDog म्हणाले...

Only an incompetent boob of a defense attorney would NOT argue an older's client age as a mitigating factor. Has nothing to do with special consideration per se. And you, a law professor!

narciso म्हणाले...

they don't care, stone is an unperson, just like Assange became in 2016, before he was speaking truth to power


https://twitter.com/davereaboi/status/1227286711316733955

RigelDog म्हणाले...

Browndog rightly noted,
"Scooter Libby:
-Investigating a non- crime. Valerie Plame was not undercover, and she being Joe Wilson's wife was public knowledge.
-The target wasn't Libby; it was Dick Cheney.
-The prosecutors knew from the beginning who committed the so called crime, yet kept investigating until someone close to the target was prosecuted.
-The sum total of all the crimes were "giving false statements.
-Elderly man given an extremely harsh sentence when probation was within the sentencing guidelines
-Liberals cheer, and use this as proof as to how corrupt this republican President is."

It's actually worse. Way worse. The "lie" wasn't a lie at all. Libby's recollection of a distant conversation with NYT reporter Judith Miller differed somewhat from her recollection of that conversation, so they convinced a grand jury he must be lying (!). That's terrible to begin with. But it gets worse. Three years after the trial, Miller wrote a book and in it she explained that prosecutor Fitzgerald induced her to give what she now realized was false testimony. By withholding critical information about the context of that phone call and manipulating her memory as he prepared her to testify, she said Fitzgerald “steered” her “in the wrong direction.” She eventually looked at her original notes again and realized that her recollection didn't contradict Libby at all.

Seeing Red म्हणाले...

And Flynn is in limbo.

The judge “indefinitely postponed” his sentencing.

Seeing Red म्हणाले...

—She eventually looked at her original notes again and realized that her recollection didn't contradict Libby at all.—


She was an idiot for not saying “let me check my notes.”

That’s what I would have done.

Fitzgerald that fucker. Wasn’t he the one out of Illinois?

Iman म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Tom म्हणाले...

This was an insane prosecution where the government’s witness exonerated the defendant. This is 100% a political prosecution and the judge would be right to throw it out and sanction the prosecutors. Further, the gag order is a supreme violation of the defendant’s right to free speech. David Axelrod ought to be very worried someone is coming for him, next.

narciso म्हणाले...

it's like shooting womp rats, no longer sporting

fitz was insulating Michigan state for a year and a half from larry Nasser, before the accounts of the assaulted gymnists came out

Iman म्हणाले...

"I agree that the recommended sentence is ridiculously harsh, but not because us people in our 60s deserve extra compassion."

Sure we do. We're on the decline, our minds make promises our bodies can't fill and past glories become distant memories...

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Roger Stone was the last gasp effort of the Mueller Inquisition. For those who didn't follow the actual details of the Mueller Inquisition, in June of 2018 William Barr wrote a memo that he sent to Rod Rosenstein that outlined the problems with Weissman's theory of obstruction- basically, Barr wrote that Mueller etal. really did need a crime whose investigation was being obstructed in order to target Trump. Starting not long after that memo was published, Mueller's team restarted the effort to prove that the Trump Campaign really was involved with Wikileaks and their publication of Russian Government sourced DNC e-mails.

This part of the investigation had been dormant for almost a year at that point in the Summer of 2018 because Mueller could never prove a connection between Assange and the Russians. Stone had spent all of the Summer and Fall of 2016 pretending he had an in at Wikileaks- he continuously made predictions about how Wikileaks was going to release damaging material on the Clinton Campaign and the DNC. The problem was that Stone was simply repeating the same information Wikileaks was releasing publically before each e-mail dump. Additionally, all of Stone's predictions about the actual content of the dumps was laughably wrong. Mueller took Stone at his word about having an in with Wikileaks, and so sought to find the evidence of it so that he could include Trump in a conspiracy to hack and realease DNC e-mails. However, it was clear from Stone's e-mails and texts that Stone was lying about having such an in with Wikileaks. In pressuring Stone's associates to provide the proof of this in, they instead simply told the truth in the end, that Stone was full of shit and had actually pressured them to lie for Stone. In short, Stone didn't want to publically admit that he had been lying his ass off since 2016, and to Congress on the same issue. Stone's charging documents proved that the Trump Campaign had no contact or influence with or over Wikileaks- it was all Stone lie.

Does Stone deserve 10 years in prison for this? No- the lies were only material in the sense that Mueller had to pretend to believe them in order to try to get to Trump, but I think it all but certain that Mueller and his team knew in 2017 that Stone was lying and had basically incontrovertible truth of it from Stone's e-mails and texts that they already had, but then proceeded to waste time and resources reproving what they already knew. The proof of this is in the Mueller Report itself in the section where Mueller admits they had zero proof Wikileaks got the e-mails from the Russians.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

I have no sympathy for Stone here- rather than admit he was a bullshit artist, he doubled down on the lie and tried to suborn perjury to cover it up. This is especially annoying to me because the truth would have saved Stone and undone the Russian Hoax to a great extent.

Iman म्हणाले...

I'll have less sympathy for Stone when the Fed Storm Troopers start their 6AM raids on the residences of Brennan, Comey, McCabe, etc., with CNN cameras in tow.

Iman म्हणाले...

SOBs anyway...

Rabel म्हणाले...

There is reporting just now that the DOJ leadership disagrees with the sentencing recommendation and will intervene.

Iman म्हणाले...

The extra compassion is because of not much life left to try out redemption...

Also the taxpayers want to bail out before high medical costs kick in...

In the 60s the brain is no longer fully formed. People start reasoning like women...

Burma Shave...

Seeing Red म्हणाले...

-Only an incompetent boob of a defense attorney would NOT argue an older's client age as a mitigating factor. Has nothing to do with special consideration per se. And you, a law professor—-

If you’re a member of the Mob, however...

narciso म्हणाले...



Interesting:

https://mobile.twitter.com/cbs_herridge/status/1227296502302887936?s=21

Birkel म्हणाले...

More than just the DOJ leadership disagrees with the proposed sentencing!!

DOJ leadership has announced the sentencing recommendation it heard from its own lawyers was different than that presented to the judge.

That is evidence of prosecutorial overreach, if any were needed.

narciso म्हणाले...

better luck never:


https://amgreatness.com/2020/02/10/nevertrump-burns-leftist-cash-on-failed-impeachment-crusade/

Valentine Smith म्हणाले...

What do women reason like after 60 if men reason like women?

JaimeRoberto म्हणाले...

One after another of Trump’s associates aided and abetted that scheme and their asses are all sitting in jail.

What scheme?

narciso म्हणाले...

no not really


https://twitter.com/seanmdav/status/1227325890868191232?s=20

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

Oops--the heirs of Bob Mueller and Andrew Weissman just got their butts spanked. New, shorter sentencing recommendation coming for Stone.

They are finally cleaning house at the DOJ.

Iman म्हणाले...

Tired of WINNING? Vote Dem in 2020

Iman म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

Prosecutors--resigned, forced to resign, or allowed to resign?

The Godfather म्हणाले...

And I turned twenty-one in prison doing life without parole
No one could steer me right but Mama tried, Mama tried
Mama tried to raise me better, but her pleading I denied
That leaves only me to blame 'cause Mama tried

Sung by Merle Haggard

Leland म्हणाले...

It's the new Democrat bombshell with Schumer now demanding an IG investigation into AG Barr for the injustice of noting 7 to 9 years as unreasonable for a non-violent process crime. It's all the Democrats do now.

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

Yes, it now appears this entire recommendation was a ruse by the two prosecutors to make it look like inappropriate interference. That they apparently lied to the DoJ pretty much proves it.

Browndog म्हणाले...

All 4 prosecutors have now resigned from the case. Big deal. All that's left is the sentencing by the hack Obama judge, and they're still at DOJ.

Browndog म्हणाले...

Jonathan Swan
‏Verified account @jonathanvswan

SCOOP: Trump suddenly pulls former U.S. attorney for D.C.'s nomination to Treasury post ...

Liu was confirmed in September 2017 to lead the largest U.S. attorney's office in the country, overseeing a number of politically charged investigations that included the case against Trump associates Roger Stone, Paul Manafort and other spinoffs from the Mueller investigation.

Spiros म्हणाले...

The United States Attorneys Manual forbids a prosecutor from considering a person's political association or personal beliefs (among other things) when deciding whether to implement charges. A similar rule must also apply to sentencing recommendations.
Because this is obviously a politically motivate prosecution, the judge needs to take a much more active role in regulating the behavior of the attorneys. The nine year recommendation is so bizarre that, I think, it triggers the Court's inherent power to sanction. At a minimum, the prosecutors should be forbidden from practicing in district courts and federal appellate courts for a few months or years. How about nine years?

Big Mike म्हणाले...

All four of the prosecuting attorneys have since resigned from the case. One is leaving the DOJ entirely, the other three plan to stay on. If they’re allowed to.