1. I made my predictions first thing this morning about what was going to happen and what ought to happen, and I got myself thinking this was going to be the greatest debate of all time... except that Tom Steyer will be there. That's so dull. I'm looking for a savage fight!
2. I'm just going to write in a numbered list. It's too boring to write time stamps in classic live-blogging style. And I'm not even sure I'm going to live blog. But I feel inspired, and they're starting early tonight — 7:00 my time. We'll see what happens.
3. My son John is live-blogging here. He mentions that the show is on CBS. My cable company is feuding with CBS these days, so I had to figure out a different source. We're watching on BET. Caught the end of the NAACP Image Awards.
4. How can a Democratic Socialist do better with the economy than Trump? — the first question, to Sanders. He takes a swipe at Bloomberg, so Bloomberg gets to speak. He lashes out and says Russia is helping Sanders get elected. Sanders is touched off, starts raving, and accidentally hits the microphone twice.
5. Warren accuses Bernie's team of "trashing" her. She did the work, and they didn't, and then they attacked. I predicted a secret alliance between Warren and Sanders. Doesn't look like that.
6. Biden attacks Bernie for the 9 deaths at the South Carolina church... because he voted against the Brady Bill 5 times. A vicious attack.
7. "I'm hearing my name mentioned a little bit tonight" (Bernie).
8. "That single garment of destimy" — a Klobuchar garble. I forget what she was talking about. I was thinking about her garments, which are the dreariest color imaginable (dark brownish purple).
9. "I have been training for this job since I stepped on the pile — that was still smoldering — of 9/11" — Bloomberg.
10. Warren accuses Bloomberg of saying something he says he never said: "Kill it" (to a pregnant woman). Big reaction from the audience.
11. The moderators have totally lost control. The candidates are all talking at once, and the topic is: math. Yeesh!
12. After the break, there are 3 more moderators. I hope there's a little more order. The topic now is gun control. They have to vie for who's most controlling.
13. I got bored. There's a lot of recitation of proposals, not so much attacking each other. I'm not going to try to provide you with notes on that. This is the problem with live-blogging. If you start, then people expect you to keep going....
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«सर्वात जुने ‹थोडे जुने 616 पैकी 401 – 600 नवीन› नवीनतम»Both Jews gave the wrong answer on Israel.
The right answer is, "I don't give a fuck. Interesting places, but let them fight their own battles over there and figure out whether they're going to get along with their neighbors on their own."
Elizabeth Warren is onto the right answer.
How much did the Turk pay you LB?
CBS news just sucks.
Yancey, point taken. He seemed to be a little better composed at first, but his buttons were pushed and he lost it.
Trump is going to have so much fun if he debates Sanders. I think another heart attack is a real possibility.
Does anyone else think this coronavirus "pandemic" is totally overblown?
I don't, and the toilet paper aisle at the grocery store agrees with me.
No. Now I'm just laughing at how easy it is to get your goad.
If only you had gonads of your own worth trying to get at.
Putin, the guy who takes down spies, shoots down planes, and stopped Hillary.
stay in a race he most certainly will not win?
Gee, isn't it the law that such a person can spend as much of their own money on their own campaign as they'd like?
Hmmmmm, what if Bloomy simply stays in all the way to the end to keep bloodying Sanders up by flooding the airwaves with some of Bernies more "interesting" comments over the years?
Then, when Sanders enters the convention with a non-majority plurality and that first vote goes the way we think it will, I wonder who Bloomy knows and would be happy to support and could waltz right in to pick up all the pieces and "unite" the party?
I wonder who that might be?......
I can tell you right now the 17,439 paid consultants on Bloomy's staff are going to strongly encourage him to stay in all the way!!
Didn't Obama have some effed up agreement with North Korea?
Joe's stammering becoming more pronounced.
No Horse Faced Lesbians this debate.
Biden's stopping because he knows he's just full of blather.
Which is actually kind of a virtue, compared to how oblivious his opponents are to how full of hot air they are.
Bay Area Guy: "CBS news just sucks."
It's not that.
Bloomy has $60B.
CBS is headquartered in NYC.
Bloomy rules NYC.
What, do I have to spell it out for you?
Biden didn't hurt himself tonight, and that was important going into Saturday.
Biden rambles and then interrupts himself. Very embarrassing.
HoaxPPT: "Which is actually kind of a virtue, compared to how oblivious his opponents are to how full of hot air they are."
It's a very fine line between virtue and suddenly not remembering where you are when you have to urinate.
Mayor Pete wants to change the balance of power in the Middle East? How?
Yancey Ward: "Biden didn't hurt himself tonight, and that was important going into Saturday."
You mean, like, physically?
The clinton framework, which they sustainrd.
“It is very satisfying to know, as I'm sure most of you agree tonight, that Inga, Chuck and Pee-Pee Tape will be sobbing into their feculent pillows tonight, finally realizing in their resentment-filled hearts that the Dems will be well and truly FUCKED in the 2020 election.”
What a weirdo. Sanders will have no trouble winning the Presidency. But if it makes you feel better, whatever.
Buttigieg should be running for student body president at some university. Not ready for prime time.
Butti stands with the people of Idlib. I'm sure they'll be happy to hear it.
Wasn't it just a 20 minutes ago that all the candidates supported removing troops, and here is Buttuvwxyz wanting to fight to save Idlib.
Yancey Ward: "Biden didn't hurt himself tonight, and that was important going into Saturday."
You mean, like, physically?
Wonder how many who hear “Medicare for all” think it’s free? 75%?
Baby Face actually has an important counterpoint to make on Bernie's way too ambitious and extreme healthcare proposal.
Both Jews gave the wrong answer on Israel.
The right answer is, "I don't give a fuck. Interesting places, but let them fight their own battles over there and figure out whether they're going to get along with their neighbors on their own."
I'd like to take a brief pause in our insult-slinging and say I 100% agree with this.
Biden spending some of his dwindling money to buy a positive comment from Yancy.
Not very convincing though.
I don't see how Buttuvwxyz got to Denmark and healthcare from Idlib. That was an amazing non sequitur.
Warren is getting back in her groove, yay.
Inga: "What a weirdo. Sanders will have no trouble winning the Presidency. But if it makes you feel better, whatever."
What a strange comment.
Just 4 weeks ago you were telling us anyone of the dems would wipe the floor with Trump. Mickey Mouse could beat Trump!
Today: well, upon reflection, I guess not.
"We have GOT to do this, we have GOT to do that..."
Oh, please just shut the fuck up..
These people are hopeless. One and all. Vapid BS.
Inga: "Warren is getting back in her groove, yay."
Native Americans are resilient.
Biden wins the sympathy vote- he is the seal in the orca herd.
That middle moderator must be an affirmative action hire.
Bay Area Guy: Exactly!
If only you had gonads of your own worth trying to get at.
I appreciate your perennial interest in my gonads. Thank you.
Yancey Ward: "Biden wins the sympathy vote- he is the seal in the orca herd."
This is the point of the show where the Narrator's tone begins to change to foreshadow the coming slaughter......
This what wonderful cuban healthcare looks like
https://babalublog.com/2019/12/04/reports-from-cuba-the-crisis-hits-emergency-rooms-of-cuban-hospitals-hard/
Blogger J. Farmer said...
Hmmm. The fairy Nazi just chimed in to lament that Bloomberg couldn't whiten his city very effectively.
No, I chimed in to lament that Bloomberg was not mayor on 9/11
Bloomberg was elected right after 9/11 and was and always will be, justifiably, associated with leading NYC in a credibly strong and decisive way during a very traumatic time. That’s a very defensible statement.
And PeePeeTape: fairy nazi is not the preferred nomenclature. Homosexual ethnonationalost.
Please don’t tell me they are going to try to shove Bloomberg down the Democrats throats.
The jury convicted Harvey Weinstein of forced cunnilingus, so I guess forced fellatio by the DNC is also a problem. Maybe.
On a different note:
I missed the debates because I had to attend two local political meetings. The degree of corruption between office holders and the real estate development industry amazes and disgusts me. We are trying to clean this small swamp.
Tip O'Neill was right about all politics being local.
It's like being in front of the old knight in Indiana Jones and the Holy Grail.
To watch or not watch tonight's Dem debate?
Knight: He chose . . . poorly.
Francisco: "I missed the debates...."
I wouldn't say I was "missing it" Bob......
J. Farmer said...
Both Jews gave the wrong answer on Israel.
The right answer is, "I don't give a fuck. Interesting places, but let them fight their own battles over there and figure out whether they're going to get along with their neighbors on their own."
I'd like to take a brief pause in our insult-slinging and say I 100% agree with this.
*************
What color is the cotton candy on your Sugar Mountain world?
Suppose Iran develops and uses a nuke on Israel? Are you down with that? If that happened would you just shrug and say, "too bad"?
(note that Israel undoubtedly has some of those Infernal devices, but doesn't talk about them or threaten anyone with them.)
Becoming mayor four months AFTER 9/11 isn't "leading them through it."
Lol, preferred nomenclature. The dude abides. Nice. ;-)
Rank these candidates on sitting down and having a beer and shooting the breeze with them. I will go first:
(1)Biden
(2)Sanders
(3)Steyer
(4)Warren
(5)Bloomberg
(6)Klobuchar
(7)Buttuvwxzy.
HoaxPPT: "Lol, preferred nomenclature. The dude abides. Nice. ;-)"
A "dude" quote!
Nice.
Something for everyone in that flick.
It's a lot like Thanksgiving Dinner where the In Laws are Republicans and the hosts are democrats and its "Trump"!!! "The Russians".
Mark: "Becoming mayor four months AFTER 9/11 isn't "leading them through it."
To be fair, its also not leading them back to it...
Suppose Iran develops and uses a nuke on Israel?
Suppose Trump wasn't so much of a bitch to the Saudis and Israelis that he didn't antagonize the mullahs into leaving the treaty that stopped them from developing that weaponry in the first place.
Anybody from South Carolina here? Charleston is a lovely town.
Kansas Scout: "It's a lot like Thanksgiving Dinner where the In Laws are Republicans and the hosts are democrats and its "Trump"!!! "The Russians"."
I knew I shouldn't have served borscht for Thanksgiving.
Tom Steyer is stark raving mad.
No, Amy, you are boring.
Inga
I think the thing that will get Penn for Bernie is his vow to stop fracking. Compelling.Will resonate in Texas and Oklahoma as well. Plus his remarks on Castro will be well received in Florida. Bernie will win in a cakewalk.
Your motto should have nothing to do with politics, guys.
Vote for Amy: "She's not boring."
Splainin asks Farmer
“ Suppose Iran develops and uses a nuke on Israel? Are you down with that?”
Yes he is.
If you ask him the same question about nuking an American city he will ask what city.
HoaxPPT: "Suppose Trump wasn't so much of a bitch to the Saudis and Israelis that he didn't antagonize the mullahs into leaving the treaty that stopped them from developing that weaponry in the first place."
LOL
Come on man. There is no way you are that naive.
I can understand stretching a bit to land a political punch, but (Biden Voice) C'Mon Man!!
Joe's biggest pander: Black women on S.Ct.
Biden completely answers another question.
Ken B: "If you ask him the same question about nuking an American city he will ask what city."
Well, uh, what city?
Steyer draws a cross on his hand? Them's fightin' words on this stage.
Ms. K. just proves how boring she is.
Biden panders to black women. Yuck. "No joke!"
Joe the clown.
>>FPeople who want to destroy the wealth, health and well-being of Americans--and that would be YOU--make any sane person angry.
Is that what I wanna do? I wasn't aware you had any wealth worth destroying. But you do like to pretend to be a billionaire's butler and voting machine caddy.
Biden delivered a pretty good joke, even though I think it didn't make sense.
"No, Amy, you are boring."
And tedious, which is worse.
Sanders also misusing the time.
Bernie's motto: Lame nonsense.
Sanders is giving a great answer. Very impressive. Too bad he's a commie.
HoaxPPT: "Is that what I wanna do? I wasn't aware you had any wealth worth destroying."
I'll have you know I'm kind of a big deal.....
Sanders quotes Mandela- good thing for Biden he doesn't get to respond again.
Biden threw in quite the pander with that black female SCOTUS nominee. And he was actually funny in saying that he mistakenly believes he has more hair than he does.
Warren: I" eat"???
Warren ate a cow just yesterday.
Now for the talent portion.
The swimsuit competition is over.
Warren looked that up on her phone just before the break ended.
I'll have you know I'm kind of a big deal.....
You are, Drago. whole lot of 'splainin' is not.
Warren eats. Buttie is passionate. More scripture? Oh yes, it's the south.
Buttuvwxyz,
Going to quote the Bible too.
Sanders quotes Mandela, but Joe wrote that speech for Mandela. And he did it in the Birmingham jail.
Warren: "The biggest misconception about me is that I'm a Cherokee."
Mayor Pete: "The biggest misconception about me is that I'm a Christian."
Warren quoting scripture is as convincing as Hillary was.
HoaxPPT: "Now for the talent portion.
The swimsuit competition is over."
I'm waiting for evening attire. Sammy Gluck set me up!
Yancey - maybe you are right.
I look at Sanders and I think - if this guy were 20 years younger and did not look like one of those muppets who used to sit in the balcony and sneer at everything good old Kermit and Miss Piggy tried to do, he would be formidable.
Tonight is just a negligible debate that will not decide anything except for a slight momentum swing,
Historically - Republicans were very unfortunate to have the arrogant dishonest Bush family and then the unworthy Romney worm their ways into positions of leadership, and Republicans suffered from that for decades.
It is now the Democratic party's turn to be hijacked by people who are hypocritical and unkind.
Bloomberg's motto: "I am a dud."
Worst moderators on Planet Earth
Bloomberg,
Pretty good joke- much better than the first one. Brevity beats the rest at this point. I liked it.
President Toilet Paper Shoe's Cooked-Up Drug Deal said...
Just what the fuck do think "single payer" means, sweetie?
It means no more executive thieves skimming 20% off the top for an overhead cost that doesn't otherwise exist and so that they can suck out handsome profits for themselves that Medicare administrators don't have.
>>>I guess you missed that Trump himself is pushing for transparency in hospital billing.
It also means that we would no longer pay twice as much per capita as the next most expensive system for lower quality outcomes.
>>>Oh yeah, show us the data. What is the next most expensive system?
>>>For the past 75 years, people have come HERE for the best medical care. Reveal to us this other country. Tell us its population and offer that country's statistics on its "better outcomes".
>>>Oh and be sure to offer apples-to-apples comparisons, for such data as "infant mortality", where the Europeans don't even consider a baby as being born until it's a month old!
Now go ignore all that analysis and start cussing and getting angry.
>>>SNORT. Every single day you post your huffy-but=inane comments. Are you Roseanne Roseannadana's avatar?
People who want to destroy the wealth, health and well-being of Americans--and that would be YOU--make any sane person angry.
Sanders should have mentioned Biden's recent lie about bring arrested while visiting Mandela. Missed opportunity.
This debate was a wild free-for-all. There are so many ways to pander to South Carolinians. I think the race will flatten a little. Sanders' showing was not as effective tonight. Man, did he tire himself out. Look at ButtyJudge bringing the scripture!
Biden was actually shot to death alongside Martin Luther King.
I thought it was over? Are they going to give more time?
Thank God that's over. I wonder if Trump will tweet something and ruin their evening.
Andrew nails it the Buttuvwxyz and Warren misconceptions. Bravo!
No Drago, not alongside. In front of. He leapt to take the bullet.
HoaxPPT: "There are so many ways to pander to South Carolinians."
What are you going to say when this crew does the same thing the next time out before Super Tuesday?
Whatever it is I'm sure it will be entertaining.
Jokes are OK, but they are a blow-off. A complete F U. Try not to be such a narcissist and seriously answer the fucking question.
Ken B just circumcised himself to prove that he is so NOT too gentile to be conscripted into the IDF.
But I can understand why you'd prefer to prove you're a better Israeli than you are an American.
We all know that this summer at the convention the last man standing will be Bloomberg or Sanders.
So why did we watch this debate?
@Ken B:
Yes he is.
If you ask him the same question about nuking an American city he will ask what city.
Is there some reason you feel compelled to just make shit up?
President Toilet Paper Shoe's Cooked-Up Drug Deal said...
>>FPeople who want to destroy the wealth, health and well-being of Americans--and that would be YOU--make any sane person angry.
Is that what I wanna do? I wasn't aware you had any wealth worth destroying. But you do like to pretend to be a billionaire's butler and voting machine caddy.
***************
Another error borne of woozy thinking . I said "Americans", not "me".
Dolt.
Joe works the crowd. Too late Joe.
Ken B said...
Sanders quotes Mandela, but Joe wrote that speech for Mandela. And he did it in the Birmingham jail.
********
+ many
Well, Jesse Jackson DID make a career out of the MLK assassination.
whole lot of 'splainin just doesn't get it. I don't respond to any diatribes he uploads unless he posts them at least three times over and over again.
And then waves a wand and says abracadabra.
@wholelottasplainin':
Suppose Iran develops and uses a nuke on Israel? Are you down with that? If that happened would you just shrug and say, "too bad"?
The quote was about the US staying out of trying to broker an Israel-Palestine peace deal.
Another error borne of woozy thinking . I said "Americans", not "me".
Ok, so translation: You mean that you think only billionaires' money matters. Got it!
As the violinist said in Titanic, "Gentlemen, it's been an honor playing with you tonight."
Splainin
I rest my case.
CNN grudgingly giving Bloomie some credit.
Hitting Burno for freak out about Democrat Socialism question.
When Mike unleashes all the oppo research against Bern, it's over.
Its way past time to drop the anvil.
The last answers were revealing, I thought. I would have gone in a more serious direction on both parts- the misconception and the motto. Only Sanders and Steyer really answered the question with gravitas. Sanders' answer was the very best one given the forum, the stakes, and the race going forward- he made it a point to argue against the fact that he is a radical. Now, I don't believe him, but the point is that I am not the audience he is speaking to.
I don't know anything about this debate, or its purpose. And I'm not sure I really care that much.
All I know is that when John King asked Newton Gingrich in South Carolina about his infidelities, Newton unleashed a fiery anti-news media diatribe on him worthy of conflagration and brimstone. And the crowd absolutely loved it.
So I assume maybe something along those lines is what these candidates and their audience were angling for as well.
Next topic - can little Baby Face Pete's blazers get any shorter? He looks like he's dressed for the junior prom every night.
Terrible debate, so much time wasted with attacking each other. Too much time given or sold to Bloomberg. Warren got off track with her attacks, she looks much better when she stays on the issues. Sanders wasn’t touched by anyone.
So this was last debate before Super Tuesday, and I don't think any of the non-Sanders candidates came close to doing what they needed to if they hope to stop him.
@Ken B:
Splainin
I rest my case.
Fortunately the case exists only in your head. You make a habit of popping up in thread after thread to make bullshit claims about things I've never said and have never believed. I tell you why you're wrong and by the next thread you're there again making the same bullshit claim. So at some point I have to conclude you're either an inveterate liar or a complete fucking idiot. Either way, it isn't really worth trying to talk to someone who refuses to listen.
Bernie for the win. No big mistakes. Crazy Communist from Vermont, but the winner nonetheless.
CNN really sounds glum.
The dems had 4 years to come up with a viable contender, and this is what they have.
It’s so easy to get your goat Farmer. Fun too.
"How can a Democratic Socialist do better with the economy than Trump? — the first question, to Sanders. He takes a swipe at Bloomberg"
I guess that answers the question
"Sanders is touched off, starts raving"
There's Sanders acting "presidential" for you, as recommended by Althouse.
Warren is still trying to get business for her son in law.
Going to go eat dinner and watch the next episode of Inspector Lynley on BritBox or Acorn, don't remember which at this point. Will check out the after debate spin around midnight or so.
That debate was awful. The moderators were completely ineffectual at keeping things on track. And the whole thing turned into a cacophony of talking over, butting in, and droning on. Yikes.
Sanders - old and crazy
Bloomberg - old and not crazy.
Sanders - has won a few elections as a Democratic lifer in places where Democratic lifers never lose
Bloomberg - knows how to make people like Sanders look like fools, has done it again and again.
even young people with huge student loans can see the difference.
Will have to wait for the South Carolina results to decide whom to vote for in Virginia's Super Tuesday.
Not having watched, BAG's summary sounds right. If Bernie didn’t lose he won. None of what I see here suggests he lost. His usual crazy angry self sells. To Democrats at least.
The "boyfriend loophole" is that if there's not a ring on it, then game on.
Whatever happened to “millionaires and billionaires” the go to screeching point of only a few years ago? It was used frequently by the angry, screamed as a single word, millionairesandbillionaires. What happened? OK now to be a millionaire?
It’s so easy to get your goat Farmer. Fun too.
Always happy to add a little light to your drabness, Kenneth ;)
“So at some point I have to conclude you're either an inveterate liar or a complete fucking idiot.”
He’s both.
Whose idea of the debate for a Mardi Gras celebration was this?
Poor Ken B. He got all fired up by the fireworks in that incendiary "debate" and now feels left out and wants Farmer to skin him alive and take him to the proverbial toolshed as well. Why should only the candidates and those interested in what they have to say have all the fun???
"the treaty that stopped them from developing that weaponry in the first place."
The treaty that did WHAT?
To describe the debate in one word: Unruly.
As penance for watching this horror show, I propose we all fast and wear ashes tomorrow.
Poor Joey B. He just wants to be liked.
What a doddering old doofus. His face stutters when questioned while figuring out what the best thing is that he can say that can get you to like him.
On the transcript, I think Pete wins.
On the live fight, it was Bernie.
Poor Ken B. He got all fired up by the fireworks in that incendiary "debate" and now feels left out and wants Farmer to skin him alive and take him to the proverbial toolshed as well. Why should only the candidates and those interested in what they have to say have all the fun???
Haha. You guys do keep things fun and lively, for sure. I hope I've reciprocated.
CNN called it a "shout fest"
Good God, that was boring.
What an unimpressive bunch.
Bloomberg - old and not crazy.
Bloomberg made SOME sense (not crazy is fair enough). But don't forget this is a primary. Bloomberg runs full speed down an IED highway when the audience consists of primary voters. Capitalism, no universal health care, don't spend money like a drunken sailor.
In a group with Bernie in the lead, rational positions are poison.
"“Obama had lots of nice things to say about Cuba- didn't mean he supported the dictatorship, and neither does it for Sanders.”
What does this mean? That the Cubans are nice people? Cuba is the dictatorship.
onight is just a negligible debate that will not decide anything except for a slight momentum swing,
Historically - Republicans were very unfortunate to have the arrogant dishonest Bush family and then the unworthy Romney worm their ways into positions of leadership, and Republicans suffered from that for decades.
It is now the Democratic party's turn to be hijacked by people who are hypocritical and unkind.
Sometimes you say loopy shit but this is condensed, cogent and on fucking point.
Had to snap it off after just those few minutes i watched, ugh.
and what is with the super sexy sportsed-up lightshow stage? yikes.
Whatever happened to a more formal setting anyway? "Come, let us reason together!" "Come, let us argue it out!"
Even better, how about every one sits around family-room style and devours the issues together, and we get to watch, with some "hall monitor" that helps the flow. We might see them agree and even brainstorm a bit.
what the hell, it's 2020. time for a very different template than what i saw tonight.
All cable news is like that now, cf.
Broadcast news too maybe. I don't know. Been years since I've seen broadcast news.
Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
Frank Luntz says 61% of Americans say Yes.
"Bloomberg runs full speed down an IED highway when the audience consists of primary voters. Capitalism, no universal health care, don't spend money like a drunken sailor."
I'm sure that when Bloomie said he would not legalize pot on day one of his administration nationwide because the effects of marijuana on the brains of young people needs to be studied further, thousands of Bernie bros threw their rolling papers and bags of Doritos at the TV.
Twas a short time ago when PPPT was defending Joe.
Sad.
HoaxPPT: "Ken B just circumcised himself to prove that he is so NOT too gentile to be conscripted into the IDF."
Hey, Sinatra did it in "Cast a Giant Shadow"!
walter: "Twas a short time ago when PPPT was defending Joe."
But was his heart really in it?
I think not.
"Rank these candidates on sitting down and having a beer and shooting the breeze with them."
As twisted as he is, I think Sanders is the only one who's comfortable in his own skin. Also, though I doubt he'd buy a round I'm pretty sure that the others would try to slick me out of something to take home with them.
Mark: "On the transcript, I think Pete wins.
On the live fight, it was Bernie."
Nixon vs Kennedy!
Pete had a 5 o'clock shadow to get him over the "hump".
Poor Cory Booker had a "beard".......
All cable news is like that now, cf.
Broadcast news too maybe. I don't know. Been years since I've seen broadcast news.
I always say avoid television news for all reasons but entertainment.
Inga: "Sanders wasn’t touched by anyone."
I'm pretty sure Biden got behind him once and smelled his hair.
Bay Area Guy: "Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
Frank Luntz says 61% of Americans say Yes."
Gallup says 90% of persons surveyed said they were confident for the future.
daskol - "i resemble that remark" (Curly)
As twisted as he is, I think Sanders is the only one who's comfortable in his own skin.
Yes. Flawed to be sure and kind, but human and unafraid to speak because despite some policy shit he’s more or less been himself rather than play-acting a role. Amy K. Is in this respect the best conventional politician because she has a fake persona but it’s probably not that far from who she really is and she plays it pretty well. Bloomberg is agreeably human but not the kind you’d wanna drink with because he’s such a jerk.
JAORE - I hope you are right.
Good God, that was boring.
What an unimpressive bunch.
They were pandering to South Carolina - the state that brought you Fort Sumter. Such a state should never decide races.
But we do want someone who's serious about the job they're going to do. We get our entertainment from the people who are actually good at entertaining.
But it seems you don't. Given that fact, what does Donald Trump do for you? Other than remind you of those good old days in the frat house filled with all kinds of non-consensual rubbing?
Are you better off than you were 4 years ago?
Frank Luntz says 61% of Americans say Yes.
Didn't Frank Luntz see his Los Angeles area house burn down recently?
However decrepit and politically one-trick he is, Joe Biden absolutely did not deserve to have his and his son's integrity slashed just so that Trump could pretend to have an issue worth holding Russia's adversaries over the barrel for. Especially that soon after the death of his other son.
Trump is truly a rotten person.
Well, it is sad if Beau's estate wasn't able to get as much of Joe's graft as his sibs and uncle.
Pee Pee asked: "Given that fact, what does Donald Trump do for you?"
Like 61% of Americans, my life is better than it was 3 years ago. I am financially better off. Younger members of my family landed good jobs out of college. On a personal note, I also married last year, and am quite happy.
https://finance.yahoo.com/video/gallup-polls-61-percent-americans-144945127.html
Good luck running against that.
Too bad about your life.
I stuck it out to the end. I wasn't expecting anyone to say anything interesting or witty, but I hoped that someone would say something really nasty or stupid. There were some dumb remarks but nothing memorable. All in all, a waste of time. I'll skip the next debate....I couldn't follow exactly what Biden was saying, but he said said it in such a declarative, bombastic way that you would think he was saying something lucid and forthright. He did thank Obama for helping him achieve all those wonderful things that he's so famous and celebrated for.....Bernie and Warren can drill your back teeth, but I guess we're stuck with them for the duration....I could live through a Bloomberg or Klobuchar Presidency. They're not that annoying. Bloomberg sporadically says things that make sense. Buttigieg is sort of pleasant, and I like how he pretends to be more realistic than Bernie, but I sense that it's all an act......I get to vote in the Democratic primary in NY in April. I'll vote for Bloomberg.
For a nominal fee, I'm prepared to elaborate on my remarks as to how Bloomberg is the Democratic candidate best qualified to be President.
So voting for a groping sexual assailant made it possible for you to finally get married and finally do better financially. Sounds like you need the government a heck of a lot more than I do, or at least a way for it to reinforce your belief in it.
Paul Krugman is right. Having a discussion with people like you is the definition of arguing with zombies.
Make sure to go tidy your shrine to your government god. My life is quite fine without one.
61% of Americans had better lives in 2016 than they did in 2013. And over the three years prior to that. But the trick is so much more impressive to you when the Nazi comes in at the end of it to take credit.
"The dems had 4 years to come up with a viable contender, and this is what they have."
This is often observed and it sounds like a fair point, but then I think of some of the people I've worked with in my career. Try randomly assembling Six or seven people and see how much "normal" you come up with. Less than half, more often than not. Now randomly assemble six or seven politicians...
I should be more compassionate and understanding about people whose lives not only never had any meaning, but never will.
People like that need a guy as empty and materialistic as Trump to relate to. It seems that's just how it goes.
I don't think most Americans are that empty. They like having meaningful lives. They don't just get off on fancying themselves as lesser pretend billionaires.
“However decrepit and politically one-trick he is, Joe Biden absolutely did not deserve to have his and his son's integrity slashed just so that Trump could pretend to have an issue worth holding Russia's adversaries over the barrel for. Especially that soon after the death of his other son.
Trump is truly a rotten person.”
Indeed.
I hoped that someone would say something really nasty or stupid
Bloomberg: "They talk about 40 Democrats. Twenty-one of those were people that I spent $100 million to help elect. All of the new Democrats that came in, put Nancy Pelosi in charge, and gave the Congress the ability to control this president, I bough . . . I, I got that."
Sorry Bloomberg, but you leaned in too much and that one was in. You bragged that you bought those Dem members of Congress.
Debate was loud and raucous but disappointing in lack of discussion regarding climate change. Greatest fear of not only Americans but of entire human race. Avoidance of subject hints at lack of genuine concern by contestants.
I hoped that someone would say something really nasty or stupid
Ritmo just did. Does that count?
Krugman/PPPT: "Zommmbeeeess!"
"If the question is when markets will recover, a first-pass answer is never"
FullMoon -- the evidence is all around us. It is getting HOTTER and HOTTER each passing day. Up 10-15 degrees in the last month. And the temp is just going up and up.
At this rate, it will be too hot to stay outside for very long. And who knows where it will end? How long before the oceans boil away?
And the Dems don't give a damn.
Who plays Bloomberg on SNL?
However decrepit and politically one-trick he is, Joe Biden absolutely did not deserve to have his and his son's integrity slashed
Schiff and the impeachment sure did make Hunter Biden a well known name and the Biden family corruption a dinner table subject throughout America. Suspect secret Bloomberg money behind it.
@chickelit: Fred Armisen, and he's outstanding.
How long before the oceans boil away?
Free boiled fish for everyone ! (Just pay shipping and handling )
Blogger Mark said...
FullMoon -- the evidence is all around us. It is getting HOTTER and HOTTER each passing day. Up 10-15 degrees in the last month.
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Being kinda tyyyyrrred of winter, I've been feeding Taco Bell to cows here in WI.
I hoped that someone would say something really nasty or stupid
Joe Biden: 150 million people have been killed from gun violence since 2007.
"Biden delivered the strong showing he needed. Sanders gave his worst."
-- Jennifer Rubin
Ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha, ha.
Toilet: criticism of Biden's sleazy son is uncivil. Also, you're all Nazis.
Now I don't have to watch the debate.
That certainly counts as something really stupid.
Biden is above the law! according to the corruption excusing hivemind.
50,0000+ a month right after Joe gets the commission on Ukraine. family member mega bucks!
It's important that you're literate under the corrupt thumb of the Cuban dictator.
LOL
Warren repeats the proven lie about her pregnancy and her teaching job.
Oh shit...I forgot there was a debate!
Am I too late?
Quaestor,
I knew without clicking it where that link would go!!!
I thought I saw Joe Biden have a Captain Queeg moment tonight. Joe was performing well--lots of energy, hand gestures, he was the guy tough enough to take out Corn Pop (his imaginary gangster). But if the plan was to show that he was full of energy for an old coot--he aced that part of the plan.
But there were seeming mental lapses. The shout fest was going on about how Trump had treated Kim Jong Un (aka Little Rocket Man). Biden was going to show how tough he was. He said Kim Jong Un was a thug, he was stealing oil and technology (don't know why Joe stuck oil in there--but that's what he did). Joe said he'd go straight to Beijing and tell the Chinese Minister to make Kim Jong Un knock it off. He would insist; he would not be denied. I wasn't certain whether Biden referred to Xi Jinping, the current Prime Minister or Deng Xioping. Well Xi is still alive. Deng died in 1997, but Joe had said he'd negotiated with Deng in 2006 to get the Paris Climate Accords signed.
Joe suddenly halted, he blinked, he furrowed his brow and his voice trailed off. He may have realized that he'd said too much, and had made a gaffe by saying he would tell a long dead man to do something. Or he may have realized that the theft of technology didn't have all that much to do with Little Rocket Man.
But if you can recall the scene from The Caine Mutiny trial where Humphrey Bogart, playing Captain Queeg, realizes that he's said too much and has essentially convicted himself--you'd recognize the look on Biden's face.
There's no doubt in my mind that Biden is playing with less than a full mental deck.
10. Warren accuses Bloomberg of saying something he says he never said: "Kill it" (to a pregnant woman). Big reaction from the audience.
Why?
it's just a "splooge stooge", right? It's not a baby, it's not a person, it's just a clump of cells.
If it's ok to kill that clump of cells, you don't get to bitch at someone for telling the woman she should kill that clump of cells.
Bloomberg needs Biden out of the race if he, Bloomberg, wants to stop Sanders- it really is that simple at this point. If Biden stays in til April, Sanders can't be stopped. Even worse for Bloomberg is this- it doesn't look like Buttuvwxyz will drop out before April either, nor Klobuchar at this point if she wins Minnesota on Tuesday. We are looking at 5-6 candidates (who knows what Steyer and Warren are going to do) splitting the anti-Sanders vote, and that vote looks to me to be about 60-65%, and could be as low as 55%. That can't be split more than two ways if you really want to stop Sanders cleanly. At this point, it is all but certain that Sanders is going to have the most votes and the most pledged delegates going into the convention.
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