“I’ve seen the most beautiful fields, farms, fields — most gorgeous things you’ve ever seen, and then you have these ugly things going up,” he said of the wind turbines. “And you know what they don’t tell you about windmills? After 10 years, they look like hell.”There's a lot of laughing at Trump for saying things like that, but I think WaPo and other Democrats know that he's talking about the real-life experience of ordinary people who can't always be thinking about the climate of the distant future. You know they have a world — right? — a world now that they have to live in, with dishwashers and toilets and lightbulbs and straws.
The broad nostalgia encapsulated in Trump’s “Make America Great Again” slogan has become increasingly specific as he has zeroed in on consumer issues such as energy-efficient appliances, carbon-reducing fuel standards and plastic straw bans. Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence, the president has castigated Democrats’ environmental agenda as unworkable and counterproductive...
Trump has said he wants to campaign heavily against the liberal Green New Deal proposal, pledging to “rip that sucker” just two months before the election....
“I know windmills very much,” Trump said in his Saturday speech. “I’ve studied it better than anybody I know.... You know we have a world, right? So the world is tiny compared to the universe...”
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"Trump attacks on wind turbines, low-flow toilets and LED lightbulbs set up key campaign clash with Democrats."
The Washington Post notices.
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268 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»And birds. We love birds. Nature loves birds. Wind turbines don't love birds- by the thousands.
It’s the low flow toilets that ai hate the most. If you have a business that requires public toilet accommodations, it is a real pain in the ass, because there a lot of people out there who need high flows of water to manage their waste.
"You know they have a world — right? — a world now that they have to live in, with dishwashers and toilets and lightbulbs and straws." And the California World includes the most unreliable, dangerous, and expensive electricity in the USA. And California is "leading the country." The future looks bright, especially during the day when we have light.
Wind turbines are interesting if you don't live near one. They're periodic sources of sound and shadow, which makes them intensely annoying if they're around.
The blades are wings, however, so physically they're nice to think about. High aspect ratio so as to intercept the most air without much tip vortex loss.
There's a good impedance problem too, maximizing the power taken out of the air at low speeds. MPPT technology might take care of it on the electrical side but there's the problem of what blade pitch to set, if it's variable.
These decisions are just adding to Trump’s margins of victory. All these things are actions that a President McCain or President Romney would never do. The straws, light bulbs, low flow toilets and dishwater soap are all expensive and ineffective actions that seek to remedy a non-existent problem. A manufactured problem in order to make more money for corporate cronies.
Margins of victory in the state presidential elections.
Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence,
Science, like the brainiacs in San Francisco who discovered that mandated low-flow toilets don't have enough water flow to push the waste through the sewer pipes.
Most of iowa is now windmills;
If i drive from here in West Union (northeast iowa) back to Ames (central iowa), there are only about 10 miles of the drive where you can't easily see scores of windmills.
They are unnerving to look at; and really do spoil the view. Would i prefer 2 large coal plants, instead? Yes: yes i would.
The blades aren't recyclable; and that's A LOT of blades. They are already replacing blades here
Maybe he could spend more time touting nuclear?
Among the many problems with “green solutions” driven by politics is that they are implemented before the technology is ready, thus foisting expensive second-rate “solutions” on a public that then has to live with them. There’s a reason why “green” is synonymous with “doesn’t work very well.”
LED bulbs in the refrigerator are a big winner, though it niticeably doesn't have the customary color. The 40w incandescent bulbs get really hot in no time at all, and the refrigerator then has to cool that back down since the hot glass stays in the refrigerator.
Trump attacks with flying wind turbines, dropping low-flow lightbulbs and lead toilets as Democrat's huddle in wine caves.
He forgot gasoline cans... Feds F*CKED up the gas can. How about some windmills on Lake Mendota? NIMBY!!!. The effects of windmills in the lakes... vibrations... physical and audible. At least they figured out how much mercury we can introduce via the CFLs. I saw a truck caravan transporting windmill blades years ago. The scale is awesome. Are they recyclable, like the Prius batteries?
Governed by unelected regulators.
There will be nothing the Dems put into their platform that Trump will not attack.
And he doesn’t have to wait until their candidate is chosen to begin.
Keep punching Mr. President.
CFLs were one of many really bad ideas foisted on us. Poisonous, expensive, and didn't last any longer than incandescent bulbs. Oh, and took too long to get to full brightness.
LEDs on the other hand look like a winner. Unless you design them into traffic lights and they freeze over from ice and snow. Then, not such a good idea. All that heat the old bulbs put out served a purpose.
BUMBLE BEE asked... Are they recyclable?
Wind turbine blades are made of non-recyclable fiberglass which are extremely difficult to crush. Destroying the blades requires compacting equipment more powerful and larger than the Casper Regional Solid Waste Facility has. Disposal in a landfill is a viable option as fiberglass is a material that does not leach components into the soil or groundwater and thus can be buried in an unlined landfill. City staff have worked diligently to stack the blades
The lo-flow toilets is an old issue. The initial ones in the 90s were terrible. But the new ones work just fine. I just replaced all the toilets in the house and I'm not having any problems, even with the biggest loads. They glaze the pipe, widened it and re-engineered the tank so that it flows directly into the bowl. Some use compressed air. The result is less water sitting in toilet tanks and more in lakes and rivers. Think its just fine.
The complaint about bulbs I used to make a lot too because CFL bulbs were awful. But the new LEDs are great and save a lot of money, no matter what you think about global warming.
Honestly, the Old Man Yelling At Clouds thing is one of the dumber aspects of Trump.
"Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence..."
This from the people who brought you the plastic straw ban.
My problem with the green movement isn't that the solutions are superficial feel-good answers that don't actually solve complex problems, although that's less than ideal. My problem is that they come as mandates.
Selling low-flow toilets and talking about how wonderful they are is fine. Freedom means people can choose to do suboptimal things, or even stupid ones. Banning higher-flow toilets is another thing entirely.
We have a windfarm about 5 miles from my house. 18mw nominal, about 4mw actual.
The blades were destroyed during hurricane Maria more than 2 years ago. Even though:
The generator heads are undamaged
3-4 miles of transmission cable is mostly undamaged
They have a contract to sell all the can produce at 18 cent/kwh
They have all environmental permitting.
They are, presumably, insured.
They have not been restored to service.
All the profit in windmills is in the building of them. There is apparently little out none in actually operating them.
Pdjt is absolutely right about those curly nightmare bulbs. Those were a scam played upon us by phillips, ge et al. I never used them
I do like the leds, though.
John Henry
Windmills last about 20 years, then, since they are impossible to repair, or is it too expensive to fix, they are taken down. What do they do with the parts, you ask? They are buried in the ground.
I am using LED bulbs, and like them a lot. However, there does not need to be a law that you have to use them.
Dishwashers that don't get your dishes clean and run for HOURS.
Washing machines that don't wash and leave soap in your clothes.
Low flow showers that likewise don't wash the soap out of your hair and take much longer to get clean.
Toilets that can't flush shit.
Refrigerators and freezers that corrode and die from the new coolants. Expected life of appliances is in the single digits instead of decades.
Light bulbs that are dangerous, ugly and don't really last any longer than a good incandescent.
LEDs on the other hand look like a winner. Unless you design them into traffic lights and they freeze over from ice and snow. Then, not such a good idea. All that heat the old bulbs put out served a purpose.
Exactly. A light in your pump house, set at the level of your pipes at the well head, can prevent freezing. Instead we use expensive and energy wasting electric heaters.
Outdoor lights that are not incandescent (in our cold temperatures) take longer to turn on. Maybe not the LED's but I wouldn't know because I still have plenty of the good old incandescent bulbs.
I don't use straws, but I bought some out of a sense of outrage and for laughs :-D
Phil 314 said...
Maybe he could spend more time touting nuclear
Apparently his energy dept is doing quite a bit with nuclear.
I can understand his not touring it more. Don't agree but can understand the politics of it.
I'd love to see a gigawatt nuke plant located in Roosevelt Roads. Right in my backyard whet I could see it every day
John Henry
Democrats are so smart and scientific. Yes, they are.
My name is Ozymandias, King of Kings;
Look on my Works, ye Mighty, and despair!
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal Wreck, boundless and bare
The lone and level sands stretch far away.
Trump is right. Democrats are just pushing a Leftist, non-scientific agenda. Greta would be proud of them. The Democrats can go to Sweden and knock themselves out.
Has anyone had to buy a new washing machine lately? You know, the ones that you have to use pods? They're probably ok for elderly women, but I get dirty, and they hardly clean my overalls, and work pants.
From the Oracle of Omaha:
"I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire's tax rate," Buffet told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska recently. "For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit."
And so he did build a wind farm.
Except Ladykiller Teddy Kennedy (Senator Oldsmobile) kept the windmills away from his beloved Hyannis, typical libtard NIMBY *
Pretty sciency guy that Buffett dude.
clint said...
"Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence..."
This from the people who brought you the plastic straw ban.
As well as tell us that a man can become a woman and vice versa.
"shut up already. It's science!"
John Henry
Mike,
You sound pretty dumb. Are you suffering from TDS as well?
Bought a new dishwasher to replace the 30 year old model. Takes 2.25 hours to cycle rather than the old 1.0 hour. Less water used, I am told. Thankfully, it is quieter and can run during daytime without distracting.
Btw, you all do know that windmills use more fossil fuel power than they produce, right?
One of the things I learned during our 4+ month power outage after Maria was that windmills can't generate any power at all unless they have an external power source
John Henry
In California they put up a ton of windmills, but they have to shut off the power when the wind blows.
’the president has castigated Democrats’ environmental agenda as unworkable and counterproductive...’
Nothing screams Liberty like a low-flow shower head.
My energy company just gave us some LED bulbs as a holiday gift. Now, I love LED bulbs so I'm happy to have them.
This fall they sent out an apology letter saying they are trying to do better at providing service at affordable prices. They had two huge outages this year, one during one of the coldest days on record, and one on a really hot day. People were so mad they actually set up little booths in local parking lots (after the fact) so you could meet their people and talk to them about how much they love the community.
All of their ads on tv are about their commitment to meeting green energy goals, and diversity in their workplace. And I think, maybe you could just concentrate on providing energy that's reliable, and then you wouldn't have to send out Christmas gifts to your customers.
Easy to laugh at Trump's verbal mish mash, sure. But when you're done laughing, here's something worth thinking about.
With this kind of stuff, Donald Trump beat the best both parties had to offer and he may be about to do it again.
Why do you suppose that is?
Some days one thousand MW of solar vanishes in Australia
The Australian national grid stretches from the tropics to the cold temperate zone from 16S to 43S. You might think that along those 40,000 kilometers of transmission lines there is always somewhere somewhere sunny at midday, but some days you’d be wrong.
James Luffman at WattClarity, noticed this extensive cloud arrangement affecting solar on Friday May 19th. On that day, a one thousand MW generator wasn’t there when it was expected to be.
Cloud patterns on Friday 19th May 2017 – leading to a day of low Solar PV output, NEM-wide
http://joannenova.com.au/tag/solar-energy
John Henry
Meeting 100 percent of the power demand in the United States through clean, low-flow, artisanal and gluten-free energy sources is a noble goal.
@ Mike re: toilets using compressed air.
My husband aka The Dumbplumber hates those. He doesn't work on inside plumbing now because we have a well/pump business, but occasionally will help out one of his LOLs (little old ladies).
Reasons to hate on those toilets.
1. A regular toilet only has two activators for flushing. A valve to let water into the tank and a flapper to let the water out and seal up the tank when done. When the toilet flushing mechanism has issues it is an easy fix.
2.A compressed air toilet has a single activator that when it fails it cannot be worked on. You have to replace the entire unit...bladder full of compressed air which comes from the factory is the main failure point and has to be replaced. Which is expensive. PLUS!!!! the units are not always universal. Proprietary parts.
Toilet number 1 is an easy fix with hardware store parts available anywhere. Inexpensive.
Toilet number 2 is unfixable in that you need a whole new activator. Often the parts in smaller and rural areas....where we are....are just not available. Have to be ordered. Hope you have another toilet! Or the entire toilet is replaced. Also expensive. And it may not match you bathroom either.
Calling a plumber is expensive too! Guess which job takes longer :-D
Thou shall not anger the sky dragon, vengeance ahall be harsh
“ Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence,...”
Which is bad, right? Because voters only vote based on scientific evidence, right?
We have a windfarm about 5 miles from my house. 18mw nominal, about 4mw actual.
4 milliwatts — that's some power output!
Your insistence on eschewing standard SI prefixes — even when dealing with SI units (watts), as we see here — beyond ambiguous, gets quite tedious.
"A compressed air toilet has a single activator that when it fails it cannot be worked on."
Actually, there can be a second activator of compressed air at the toilet if you recently ate at Taco Bell.
I am Laslo.
That so-called "efficiency" of new appliances has nothing to do with the efficiency of doing what they are supposed to do, e.g. clean, but merely with using less water regardless of how inefficient they are at cleaning or flushing.
A lot of people are going back to the top loader washing machines where you can actually soak your clothes in a tub of water rather than simply getting them damp in the front loaders. And people have avoided the multiple-flushes-needed-and-have-a-plunger-nearby low-flow toilets in favor of finding/keeping the older large-tank toilets.
Allan saysiHas anyone had to buy a new washing machine lately?
Nope. My set is about 20 years old. If it has some issues, we can fix it ourselves or the appliance shop with a repair guy in town will fix it. He recommends fixing instead of buying a new one. Agrees that the new electronic computerized panel low capacity machines are terrible.
I can use HOT water instead of just tepid lukewarm. Adjust the size of the load and use a lot of water, or extra small load. All with a dial. My machines do NOT talk to me!
You know, the ones that you have to use pods? They're probably ok for elderly women, but I get dirty, and they hardly clean my overalls, and work pants
I hear you! My husband often has to change clothes outside on the deck because after pulling a pump, laying on the muddy ground he is caked in dirt and grease. The worst are the iron wells where everything you are wearing and your body is covered in orange schmutz. (Colloidal Bacterial iron).
I have to hose off his clothing and boots outside and even still sometimes run the washer twice to get the work clothes clean. Hardly saving energy....and I DON'T CARE!!
The main reason your clothes, dishes don't get clean is that the government has fucked with the soap and changed it so it doesn't work as well. Yeah. Phosphates...bad. Just add a small amount of TSP to the wash. That will work /wink
Not everyone works in a neat clean office.
Spurring massive growth in fat-free manufacturing in the United States and removing green house-gas emissions from our National bathrooms at least as much as is technologically feasible is also quite noble.
Speaking of noble, check out this Native American™ Elder's™ land reclamation project.
After washing clothes using the pods, I smell like a french whore.
As always, I see the twinkle in Trump’s eye when he says things like “I know more about windmills than anybody.” He is doing schtick in most of his public speaking. Here, he’s simply playing the anti-AOC who thinks she’s an expert in everything. And the anti-Greta. Hey, if these two young women with no science background can bend the arc of history, why not Trump? Besides, he right about most of it (but not LEDs which are amazing).
I don't think he's operating from his own feelings. I think he is operating from his own experience, as the head of a chain of hotels. I can tell you from my experience that "green" appliances are garbage. They don't work properly to begin with and they break down earlier then the non green counterpart. It is at the point where I go out of my way to buy something that is not energy efficient, because throwing things out that don't work is worse for the environment then the minimal efficiency that they do provide.
Solar and wind power is NOT as efficient as the standard providers(oil, coal, gas). They need more care and break down more often while providing less energy. If these people are serious then they need to build nuclear power plants, those ARE more efficient.
I think most people would be appalled, if they knew the tax burden these supposed "green" mandates caused.
The problem with the new washing machines that want you to use the pods, is that they don't have sufficient (aggressive) agitation. A sound of a small "whish" then a pause and then another "whish".
Windmills are an abomination. It's especially galling considering how pathetically they address the perceived problem.
They don't work by agitation in a bunch of water -- which is the only way to get things clean. They work by flipping over the damp clothes and then letting gravity drip the water down through the clothes -- which works only as political ideology and not in real life.
"about 4mw actual."
4 milliwatts — that's some power output!
BZZT! Watts is W, not w.
Politicians opining about technology and science is almost always a bust. The move to more efficient products like toilets, lights and electronics has been going on for decades and has been a net good even with the products that don't quite hit it right.
I wouldn't mind going back to cardboard containers and doing without all the bug plastic jugs. I used to think they could be recycled, melted down by the Chinese and used again but I was dreaming. It all floated out of the Yangstze and toward Hawaii.
At least it's going to the landfill now. Nasty stuff.
The LEDs are pretty good. I've been steadily replacing our incandescent bulbs for the last several years. Even the Christmas LED bulbs are much better since they figured out how to make bulbs that provide light in the warmer spectrum.
Big. BIG jugs.
you idiots keep going on and on about how 'amazing' LED light bulbs are
Don't you Realize, that they are exposing to to RADIATION??
That's RIGHT!
When you turn on an LED, it showers you with radiation; radiation with a wavelength that falls between 380 nanometers to 750 nanometers. Do you KNOW how dangerous that is??
Thankfully! People are starting to WISE UP to these dangers!
Study Finds Almost 40 Percent of People in Eight European Nations Would Like to Live "in a World Where Chemical Substances Don't Exist"
Althouse convinced Tank that straws are for girls. So, not an issue for Tank. Tank never simply declines a straw, he presses Althouse’s point - straws are for girls. Try it. Fun.
Michael,
For the past 2+ years it has been 18nw nominal, 4nw actual.
That was my point.
nw = niliwatts. As in no watts at all.
4 milliwatts would actually be an improvement.
John Henry
Wind Turbines are bird killers. They're also inefficient. Windmills aren't because they are big clumsy things that move slowly. This article illustrated why I dislike the Wapo/NYT leftist attitude. No desire to engage in debate, no attempt to understand why someone may disagree with their party line, nope there are only two alternatives: Smarties who agree with the Liberal/Left. And everyone who disagrees is stupid/evil. Birds too.
We just replaced our dishwasher after only 6 years. The repairman says that's about normal now for a modern machine. He says the life of a new appliance is now declining by half about every 10-15 years due greatly to changing requirements manufacturers have to continually meet. Pretty depressing.
I live on the border with Ontario. While driving my car, I frequently look across Lake St Clair and see Canada. Ontario is big into windmills and you can see them pretty clearly even though they are placed somewhat inland. From the US, it looks like Canada has set up things up for mass executions by crucifixion. I also drive through Ontario 5-6 times annually to go to the Stratford Festival - lots of windmills. A blight on the landscape in my opinion.
We resurrect Donny Quixote who shall win his tilts in this Universe
NCMoss The move to more efficient products like toilets, lights and electronics has been going on for decades and has been a net good even with the products that don't quite hit it right
Hmmm. Efficient. You keep using that word. I don't think you know what it means.
Re hotels i find many rooms so dimly lit that I travel with a 100 watt equivalent led bulb.
I take it out in the morning and put it in my suitcase so housekeeping doesn't confiscate it.
John Henry
In my previous post, I probably should have used the term "wind turbines" instead of "windmills."
Well here we go again. Althouse takes an event where Trump was ranting incomprehensibly, and turns it into a kind of “policy” question that almost all of her readers already agree on.
The real story from the Trump appearance at the Turning Point USA conference was the length and breadth of his insane oratory. Remember when Althouse wrote that she liked reading transcripts of interviews and speeches? You have got to read the transcript (Read the Transcript!) of Trump at that event. Here is the official White House transcript:
https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefings-statements/remarks-president-trump-turning-point-usa-student-action-summit-west-palm-beach-fl/
You could print that transcript on poster board, blindfold yourself and throw a dart... and you’d hit a Trump falsehood.
There are a handful of paragraphs that were written by competent speech writers and Trump managed to read them mostly verbatim without screwing it up.
But the windmills spewing gases; the 10-year prison term for killing an eagle; the incompleted sentences and non-sequitirs... it was as much insane incomprehensibility as it was normal speech. If “normal speech” includes a drunk guy in a bar.
I have a John Deere 14T hay baler that I'm going to junk. I should use some of the parts and build my own washing machine. Something that I can run off of a tractor's PTO.
I'd like to give Chuck a good washing.
LEDs aren't bad. Pretty nice, actually. They make great cool stage lighting too.
It's the CFL bulbs that were awful.
Nothing nuts about wanting to kill-off all of the fuel that runs our lives and give free tax payer funded health care to illegal entrants.
Study Finds Almost 40 Percent of People in Eight European Nations Would Like to Live "in a World Where Chemical Substances Don't Exist"
But as the article points out, you can catch DNA from chemicals and might become a mutant.
I like the newer LEDs for the most part. I need to use old fashioned incandescent from time to time. Why can't we have both?
Government force is government fascism.
^^^ European ...Chemical Substances...
They know that Greta Thunberg has been exposed to chemicals.
DBQ, Efficiency (in electronics at least) is what allows us to have things like cell phones and laptop computers; explain how that isn't great.
AllenS said...
"After washing clothes using the pods, I smell like a french whore."
and
"I'd like to give Chuck a good washing."
Hey, no judgement, man.
Every time somebody refuses a plastic straw the Chinese shut down another coal-fired power plant and an angel gets its wings.
Low-flow toilets get mixed reviews. Toto makes the best low-flow toilets on the market.
Low flow shower heads are the worst government invention ever.
Honestly, the Old Man Yelling At Clouds thing is one of the dumber aspects of Trump.
Tucson, which is run by leftists, explains that low flow toilets do not put enough water in the sewer system to move solid waste (shit) so, when I drained my pool to replaster it, they asked me to drain it into the sewer. I was happy to oblige.
I used LEDs in my sailboat back when they were rare. Now I use incandescent bulbs which I hoarded when CA banned them.
Maybe 30 years of running hotels taught him something. Do you suppose?
Allen S. Has anyone had to buy a new washing machine lately? You know, the ones that you have to use pods?
Check out LG. I got a new one a year ago and went with the no-frills model in white. I use liquid detergent. I like the extra-rinse cycles. tho - don't be in a hurry. the wash cycles are long.
You don't have to use to pods on all of the newer washing machines.
If Trump promised to ban low-flow shower heads, he would win in a landslide.
It used to be that you could unscrew and disassemble some of the parts on the shower-head and you could find the low-flow restriction doo-hickey - and you could pop it out.
Now, the water-restrictors are embedded deep in the shower head. Bastards.
That is some government fascim and Bernie-esqe government whore BS - straight up.
LLR-lefty Chuck is very very very upset his beloved dems have hilariously screwed up impeachment while Trump continues merrily on his way establishing deep deep connections with the working class voters and military veterans that LLR-lefty Chuck despises with a white hot passion.
Note the raw and unbridled rage evident in LLR-lefty Chuck's vomited offering.
We see this whenever it becomes crystal clear Chuck's beloved dems are flopping and reports of obama throwing Biden under the bus with large donors has got LLR-lefty Chuck particularly on edge.
You could really tell LLR-lefty Chuck was over the top angry and likely drinking heavily again when the trade deals were announced.
Recall Chuck told us those deals would never happen and when the deals were announced he got extrememly, some would say dangerously, incoherent, violent and upset.
Lets hope for his sake and those few people willing to take the risk by being around him that he is able to control himself.
The straw ban is obvious. Start with the straws and creep into every other way we use plastic and ban it.
what about the plastic lids, for crying out loud?
Quality of life takes a hit when the energy & water efficient dishwasher doesn't get the dishes clean.
I think the wind turbines are ugly and yes - I see that someday they will litter the landscape, as they rust.
Already starting in Hawaii.
NCMoss, Efficiency (in electronics at least) is what allows us to have things like cell phones and laptop computers; explain how that isn't great.
Progress is great. If we didn't have progress we would still be living in caves.
New inventions like cell phones, computers (which amazingly I am using at this very moment!) were unimaginable and are now common place. Amazing work-savers and conveniences. Necessities in many ways.
However.... progress is not always efficient. Progress /= Efficient When you take things and "improve" them to the point that they don't work as well or as intended...is that even progress? It is more like experimentation. Eventually, they may be efficient, but until then, they are works in progress and not always EFFICIENT. Dishwashers and low flow toilets, for example.
Furthermore, forcibly removing items that previously were satisfactory, and foisting the use of the new improved and often less efficient items (don't work at all or not very well) by law or fiat, is the main objection.
If YOU want to use a computer, a cell phone, a refrigerator that requires computers, appliances that want to network with you....feel free. Just don't remove the choice to NOT use alternate appliances.
BTW: I like my cell phone for all sorts of convenient reasons. Cell phones work very well, until they don't. Then if you don't have a plan B you are out of communication. We experienced this recently when there was a fire that burned down the cell towers and the electricity was out for a week. Fortunately, we still have a landline and a back up phone that didn't require electricity to operate. At least those haven't been 'done away' with .....yet.
Seinfeld dealt with the Low Flow Shower Head Problem back in the 90s.
It's glorious water-saving genius when you need to take a longer shower, because the flow sucks. flush the toilet a few times, because the flow sucks. re-wash your dishes, because the flow sucks. take 2 hours to wash your jeans, because the flow sucks.
tcRosse- I have SEinfeld in mind whenever I bitch about shower heads. It's only gotten worse.
Government creep.
ElMeson is a large local (and Florida) chain of sandwich shops. Great menu.
I was there the other day and they still have plastic straws but the straw is wrapped in paper. Not the sleeve overwrap. I'm talking about the straw itself.
I wonder what the environmental footprint on that is
John Henry
>> Efficiency (in electronics at least) is what allows us to have things like cell phones and laptop computers; explain how that isn't great.<<
There is a difference between useful efficiency that improves things and pseudo efficiency that screws things up. Duh.
"A bath Jerry. It's disgusting. I'm sitting there in a tepid pool of my own filth."
classic.
Chuck is mad because according to Drudge, yesterday was $34.4 Billion, the biggest shopping day in history! An American economy the likes of which the world has never seen!
"LEDs on the other hand look like a winner. Unless you design them into traffic lights and they freeze over from ice and snow. Then, not such a good idea. All that heat the old bulbs put out served a purpose."
Both LED and incandescent bulbs have their place. LED's save energy in many situations and are vibration resistant (they work well in garage door openers). As noted in this thread, there are water pumps, incubators and traffic lights that require heat. What many people miss is that in winter in Wisconsin the heat from incandescent bulbs is a positive feature. It helps heat your home.
Many of us here simply want to be free to choose the technology that is appropriate for our purposes. Trump opposes "one-size-fits-all" government mandates. Wisconsin has an over-abundance of water. Why should we be forced to use the same water saving shower heads as California? Why not allow us to choose whether we want ethanol in our car's gasoline?
Dust Bunny Queen said...
Toilet number 1 is an easy fix with hardware store parts available anywhere. Inexpensive.
I can attest. I recently re-did the fill valve and flapper in my guest bathroom. Total outlay for parts at Home Depot was about $20.
We have a shit washer that leaves felt on the clothes thanks to the EPA's water requirements.
We have a shit dishwasher that doesn't clean dishes as well as the old one, thanks to the EPA's water requirements.
We have a "spill-proof" gasoline can that dribbles gas on the ground, thanks to California state law.
So, yeah, Trump knows a lot more about what regulations by unelected bureaucrats do to most Americans than the juice-box reporters at The Washington Post.
Is it really a good idea to remove kinetic energy from the climate system, turn it into electricity, and send it elsewhere to be converted mainly into heat?
Some of the low-flow shower heads have a plastic restrictor insert that can be easily removed with needle-nose pliers. It’s a pleasing way to tell the gubmint to fuck off.
He's been derided for reliance on feelings and his concern for the beauty of his surroundings.
He's been fat shamed and slut shamed.
He's been ridiculed about his hair.
And yet he persisted.
Donald Trump: America's first female President.
Trump's argument seems weak, as most of us have had good experiences with LED lightbulbs and at least the newer model low-flow toilets.
Wind turbines are a tougher sell, as they seldom produce much electricity (because the power output is proportional to the cube of windspeed- unless windspeed is to high, triggering the turbines' protective modes. Wind turbines produce little power most of the time because wind is seldom blowing at an optimum speed for them. But they do use grid power all the time (to operate their control systems, and sometimes to turn the blades to prevent damage to the bearings). Thus they consume reliable grid power all the time, and occasionally produce unreliable, intermittant power from wind.
In any case, if you have an application where you really want to use the heat thrown off from a 100 Watt incandescent bulb (there are a few) then it's hard to see why you shouldn't be allowed to buy one.
I will admit that LED bulbs have their uses (in refrigerators, as someone noted above), and low-flow toilets work.
I still object to mandating them by government fiat.
brylun: "Chuck is mad because according to Drudge, yesterday was $34.4 Billion, the biggest shopping day in history! An American economy the likes of which the world has never seen!"
That is quite true.
Its become axiomatic that good news for America and all its citizens enrages LLR-lefty Chuck.
Every single time. Hence axiomatic.
Check it out for yourselves at home: outstanding economic news for the US leads to an increase in LLR-lefty Chucks rage.
And when great news for America is combined with republican electoral success? Well, that my friends is the recipe for a LLR-lefty Chuck nuclear melt-down.
Good one, Laslo. I laughed out loud.
My latest washer for clothes was a used Speed Queen—new ones were on back order and I could not wait. Best washer I ever owned.
I despise those wind turbines. Absolutely despise them. The only reason that the left support them so much is that they have zoned them out of their vacation home vista.
And they destroy migrating birds but you can’t even get a democrat to acknowledge that. They are climate zealots..
Suppose mankind has managed to build enough wind farms to replace half the current demand for electricity generated using other means, which would be about 14,000 TWh. delivered reliably 24/7/365. What does Chuck, Inga, readering, or Howard (well, not Howard) think will be the environmental consequence, besides millions of dead birds?
I always flush 15 times, just like the president says to, because I'm a patriot.
I have a newly built house with appliances that conform to the latest EPA and state regulations. My dishwasher works well, but takes 2 1/2 hours to complete a cycle. That is inconvenient when you need to wash a load for company that is coming over. It's not a huge deal, but annoying.
The washing machine and dryer are similar. No issues with the gas stove, microwave and air conditioning.
The newer toilets seem to work well, compared to 25 years ago when you had to flush three times. I have no issue with those regulations inasmuch as technology has advanced.
My fancy new showerhead dribbles out water which makes showers a lot less relaxing. I wonder if people take longer showers to get the relaxation they used to get with more water pressure. I know that my wife does.
My LED light bulbs are really expensive, but they seem to last a long time. Overall, my utility bills seem reasonable given that I live in a desert climate.
Not all regulations are bad, but they should not be treated as Holy Grail. I like Trump's more practical approach.
Just then they came in sight of thirty or forty windmills that rise from that plain. And no sooner did Don Quixote see them that he said to his squire, "Fortune is guiding our affairs better than we ourselves could have wished. Do you see over yonder, friend Sancho, thirty or forty hulking giants? I intend to do battle with them and slay them. With their spoils we shall begin to be rich for this is a righteous war and the removal of so foul a brood from off the face of the earth is a service God will bless."
"What giants?" asked Sancho Patra.
"Those you see over there," replied his master, "with their long arms. Some of them have arms well nigh two leagues in length."
"Take care, sir," cried Sancho. "Those over there are not giants but windmills. Those things that seem to be their arms are sails which, when they are whirled around by the wind, turn the millstone."
"It is clear," replied Don Quixote, "that you are not experienced in adventures. Those are giants and if you are afraid turn aside and pray whilst I enter a fierce and unequal battle with them."
The only reason that the left support them so much is that they have zoned them out of their vacation home vista.
Massachusetts governor greenie-meanie Charles Baker has signed legislation to construct two offshore wind farms within sight of Cape Cod, and both are stuck in licensing hell.
Whappo: "...Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence..."
Brave defenders of "scientific evidence" who believe in CAGW, men who get periods, and that race is socially constructed with no genetic basis.
Right.
Great posts by DBQ. Things are worse than I thought.
And Buffett got a $1b federal tax credit for his windmills in Iowa. I was at the BRK meeting when he spoke of it. The rich liberals all clapped and felt good about themselves.
Piano teacher died in Omaha suburb recently. $18m in BRK stock; total estate of $35m.
All the positive comments note that only in certain instances do things like LED bulbs etc make sense.
So...
Let the consumer in the collective common sense make the decision.
What Trump is highlighting is Big Government regulation in the paternalist “We Know Whats Best For You Hicks” style. He’s criticizing Progressive class warfare that is inflicted on the masses against their will via regulation.
That the alleged elites don’t understand that shows their shallow thinking. Ordinary people are tired of being shoved around by politicians who think they are better than the citizenry.
Let the consumer in the collective common sense make the decision.
Yes. That is how a free market works. A product is produced. Consumers try it and either like it, or don't like it, or don't care.
The consumer will buy or patronize the new product and the competitors either get busy and create a better competing product or go out of business. Or the consumers decide the new product is crap and it goes by the wayside.
We don't need the heavy hand of the government or a bunch of wannabe nannies to force us to buy or not buy. Tell us what to use or not use. What kind of insurance I must buy or not buy.
It is OUR decision. Or should be.
BZZT! Watts is W, not w.
I know that. Address the person whose usage it was.
$18m in BRK stock’
That’s almost fifty shares... :)
nw = niliwatts. As in no watts at all.
So “mw” before was a typo? Okay. :-) (Though “n” is the prefix for nano- or 1 billionth. Still, pretty close to zero!)
"What many people miss is that in winter in Wisconsin the heat from incandescent bulbs is a positive feature. It helps heat your home."
Freder ("You people need to take some remedial physics") Frederson would beg to differ.
This is a good example of the Trump Con mechanics. He honors deplorables ignorance and stupidity by filling they with pride, greed, lust, envy, gluttony, wrath and sloth. In his calculus, you people are only able to digest the lowest common denominator. That's why he knows you will swallow it whole and beg for more.
You can run a no-flow toilet. Dump a bucket of water into the bowl (not the tank) with some speed and the toilet will flush. Then add water slower to put water back in the bowl. Duplicating what the tank does when the tank is working.
Howard,
So all of those folks on the South Side of Chicago are phi beta kappa? Trump is not promising the lazy and illegal aliens free stuff like the Demtards are. LOL, naff off
Bill Peschel: We have a "spill-proof" gasoline can that dribbles gas on the ground, thanks to California state law.
$10 at Menards. EZ-Spout I believe is the brand name. Drill a hole in the gas can and insert the plug, put on the new spout, and voila, an old-style normal gas can.
(Not defending the law, mind you, just offering a way around it)
LEDs don't save energy when you're in the heating season. Watts from the bulbs offset watts from the (electrical resistive) furnace one for one. Run one more and the other runs less.
On the other hand they save double in air conditioning season.
JAORE said...
From the Oracle of Omaha:
"I will do anything that is basically covered by the law to reduce Berkshire's tax rate," Buffet told an audience in Omaha, Nebraska recently. "For example, on wind energy, we get a tax credit if we build a lot of wind farms. That's the only reason to build them. They don't make sense without the tax credit."
This is for Iowa. Iowa legislature passed tax law that gives tax credits to create electricity from wind and sun. So windmills get built and solar panels installed.
Iowa can say half of Iowas electric needs are generated by windmills. But...Illinois has tax credits to BUY electricity generated by wind. So most of Iowas wind generated electricity is transmitted to Illinois. As usual, taxpayers are subsidizing bad policy.
Wind turbines, a technology that's been obsolete for way over a century. Liberal fools, we're being looked down on by liberal idiots who lack any common sense. Trump is the adult, think about that.
Freder ("You people need to take some remedial physics") Frederson would beg to differ.
Rotwang's Cabana Boy would gleefully attest that LED lighting is good for the planet because, among other things, it reduces the excess heat load in buildings during the summer months, thus reducing the need for air conditioning.
DJT is going for the jugular of Progressives. Which is their massive fraud of fake science demanding submission to complete nonsense, all as the fast Cooling Climate presents us with another set of real problems that fossil fuels are the only solution for.
In President Trump we have ourselves a stable genius who understands the difference between real science and World Government's 30 year Con job based on propaganda about faked data run through a faked analysis using rigged computer predictions.
Trump's motto is EARTH FIRST, we'll mine the other planets when we get to them. He's the one who realizes, as we all of a certain age do, that our future is beyond the confines of the planet.
It's the herd mentality that's driving all this climate change hysteria, it's being pushed by the credentialed politically correct who have taken their cue from a corrupt group of scientists. Sadly, most people would rather be popular than right.
In 1959 an aluminum soft drink can weighed 89 grams empty.
Today the same size can weighs 13 grams.
Sure am glad the govt forced this change!
Oh,wait. They didn't those evil can and beverage makers did it for no other reason than to make more money.
Greedy bastards. There ought to be a law.
And think of the poor recyclers, often low income, many times people of color. No they have to find and pick up 2 cans where they only had to pick up one before. Those greedy RACIST! capitalists should be put up against the wall. Greta had the right idea.
VOTE BERNIE 2020!
John Henry
"I can attest. I recently re-did the fill valve and flapper in my guest bathroom. Total outlay for parts at Home Depot was about $20."
Whoa! You got the DeLux model. Menards has em for eight bucks.
Unsightly wind turbines slaughter birds, particularly raptors. Low flow toilets frequently require several flushes to clear - not low flow. And the light bulbs are expensive.
How nice that Hanoi Jane, star of the China Syndrome, which set clean nuclear power back decades is now calling for imprisonment of climate deniers.
Life for these leftist asshats is all about coercion and confiscation.
Go, Trump!
Howard and LLR-lefty Chuck and the rest of the left literally worship some 16 year old scientific illiterate with some mental disorders.
So lets make sure to listen carefully to their critique of the right.....
I wonder what Howards scientific background looks like. From his posts its fairly clear he's never had any science education beyond some high school basics.
But he's a lefty and peruses the New Yorker and he's read the inside flaps of a couple of Hawkings books so voila! He's up to speed....
Michael,
Not exactly a typo but typing on my tablet where, because typing is harder, I tend to be a bit laxer about caps. I have probababy also typed gw instead of GW in recent days. Mw at he start of a sentence will look even funkier.
John Henry
And now some cities are trying to ban natural gas in new home construction. It's almost like it's the Dems' policy to harass the normals.
"Often operating from his own feelings rather than scientific evidence."
Someone please show me the scientific evidence that a plastic straw ban will have any non-trivial impact on the environment. Like real evidence with numbers and all. And not just headlines that are supposedly backed up by real research.
Anyone who has served aboard a Navy vessel knows the strategy for engaging a low-flow shower.
The aerators for water taps come in two varieties; one gives minimal acceptable flow, the other one is the one you are complaining about. Read the small print on the labels at Home Depot.
Showerheads can be fixed with a hand drill and a suitable size bit.
My neighbor had a repairman take her old washing machine out in the driveway and take it apart and rebuild it from the ground up. Way to go. Wish I had done that.
I think Home Depot has toilet repair kits now that replaces the flapper with a cylinder thing that lets whatever water is in the tank escape at once without the swirling motion (in the tank) so that it flushes satisfactorily. You might try that.
My master bedroom toilet is of the intermediate age that flushes satisfactorily most the time, and I keep a plunger on hand to make it swirl (in the bowl) and finish flushing on the second try when it doesn't.
You get "progress" when entrepreneurs are free to compete and customers free to choose, and things will generally adjust themselves within a reasonable time.
Central planning and government mandates will always tend to freeze development in time and actually be detrimental to "progress."
Blogger brylun said...
Chuck is mad because according to Drudge, yesterday was $34.4 Billion, the biggest shopping day in history! An American economy the likes of which the world has never seen!
Absolutely nothing to do with Althouse’s blog post.
Nothing to do with me. (Wut? I am mad about ... retail shopping numbers? I was one of those shoppers! Wtf!?!)
And spawning a few more personal attacks, adding to the clutter.
But interestingly, I see that Althouse’s comments page no longer has any specific prohibition against personal attacks and especially attacks against other commenters by name. It might be a good idea to have such a prohibition, and to enforce it consistently and vigorously.
I haven't discussed the science behind alternative energy at all Drago not on this post. I have in the past where I have stated that these technologies are not the answer and that nuclear power have to the exploited to properly decarbonise the economy. That does not preclude the fact that you are being played for fools by a con man who is appealing to your base vile instinks
Wind power, bluntly, is rather a joke. We have a lot of wind here in Kansas, because Nebraska blows and Oklahoma sucks.
More seriously, one of my current workmates spent six years arranging land leases for wind-generators. The average installation requires between 100 and 200 TRUCKLOADS of concrete, and quite often massive dynamite work to prepare the hole.
Concrete alone is responsible for almost 10 percent of global CO2 emissions. Here in the US alone some 20,000 wind-generators are now idle, having failed long before their alleged life-expectancy. That does not count those "temporarily" out of service for failed blades. Carbon-fiber blades which themselves require an immense amount of energy to produce.
It gets worse. Another friend is a engineer at the local thermal generating plant [=coal]. Gary reports that because wind is utterly unreliable, the thermal plants must remain on "standby" to keep the current flowing to customers. Standby requires 80 percent of the coal used for full power generation.
Consequently, to achieve maybe a 20 percent reduction in coal combustion, sometimes, we require ... WHAT?? The numbers quite blatantly do not work, but all sorts of people can signal their "virtue" to others.
They are also signalling their cluelessness to those of us who actually understand such things.
Mssrs Dunning and Kruger ... please call your office.
Howard makes one sensible comment then adds TDS crazy stuff.
Were you at a wedding reception in DC last week, Howard?
Trump has a very easy target to hit in the massive UN Climate Hoax .Simply to steal our money the UN guys are actually proposing solutions that do not work for a problem that does not exist and has never existed. All Trump has to do is " not go wobbly."
Way off topic. But here's a quote from the editor of "Christianity Today" in 2016:
I know hardly anyone, let alone any evangelical Christian who voted for Trump. I describe evangelicals like me as ‘elite’ evangelicals … and this class of evangelicals has discovered that we have family members so different they seem like aliens in our midst. These other evangelicals often haven’t finished college, and if they have jobs (and apparently a lot of them don’t), they are blue-collar jobs or entry-level work. They don’t write books or give speeches; they don’t attend conferences of evangelicals for social justice or evangelicals for immigration reform."
IOW, CT is "never trumper" and it shouldn't be shocking they supported Impeachment.
LLR-lefty Chuck: Absolutely nothing to do with Althouse’s blog post.
Nothing to do with me."
Absolutely everything to do with the post and lefties like you.
Trump has given us an economic boom that has significantly improved the lives of the working classes (the people you hate) AND Trump has delivered on deregulation policies that also make clear to those working classes that you and your lefty pals despise that he understands all of those day to day difficulties created by Chuck's beloved dems and GOPe lap poodles.
Trump has created a rock solid relationship with these voters in battleground states and that relationship is beyond the reach of the pathetic fopdoodle LLR's and left.
As evidenced by the laughable and paid-for assault on evangelicals that the left/LLR-left also despise that flopped miserably.
Trump as FDR and Reagan, except Trump has been much more conservative than Reagan in terms of conservative policy success.
Face it Chuck, you and your lefty pals are out of ammo and we are still 10 months out from the election with peace and prosperity everywhere and Trump moving in for the black vote and latinos vote!!
Your flop sweat is an absolute joy to behold.
I know hardly anyone, let alone any evangelical Christian who voted for Trump. I describe evangelicals like me as ‘elite’ evangelicals …They don’t write books or give speeches; they don’t attend conferences of evangelicals for social justice or evangelicals for immigration reform."
Sounds more like the "Babylon Bee"
Howard: "I haven't discussed the science behind alternative energy at all Drago not on this post."
Dont be shy Howard. Give us your science credentials.
Go ahead, wow us.
And you are about 20 years behind the smart liberal environmentalists who figured out nukes are truly the only long term answer, so you get no points for that.
So come on Howard, you are always going on and on and on about science. Give us your science CV.
Show us all up!
LOL
Spoiler: your science background is essentially nil, isnt it?
But again: Knows "Science" Because Lefty, right?
That does not preclude the fact that you are being played for fools by a con man who is appealing to your base vile instinks
This is exactly the kind of arrogance that annoys me more than anything when it comes to liberals. The fact is, you uppity twit, I felt this way BEFORE Trump ever said anything like this. And as you can tell from the rest of the commenters here, they’re in the same category. The idea that I’m sitting around waiting for Donald Trump to tell me what to think because it already fits some base instinct that I have is laughable elitist snobbery.
Trump is right here. You leftists just don’t have the balls to admit when you’re wrong.
Ya, all of those "evangelicals" voted for the Baby Killing, Fudgepacker Marriage and Transgender loving Dems. LOL
I Callahan: "The idea that I’m sitting around waiting for Donald Trump to tell me what to think because it already fits some base instinct that I have is laughable elitist snobbery."
Just wait until Howard hits us with his "science" credentials! Then you'll see just how little his self-annointed "elitism" is really based upon.
Very similar to LLR-lefty Chuck who mistakes magazine/newspaper subscriptions and people he claims to have met as somehow dispositive in determining "elite" status.
Howard and Chuck, peas in a pod baby. Peas in a pod.
"Trump has given us an economic boom that has significantly improved the lives of the working classes (the people you hate) AND Trump has delivered on deregulation policies that also make clear to those working classes that you and your lefty pals despise that he understands all of those day to day difficulties created by Chuck's beloved dems and GOPe lap poodles."
Just sold some stock, because I needed the sale to be in this tax year. Up 60% since Nov 8, 2016.
Thank you, President Trump!
So much winning!
But interestingly, I see that Althouse’s comments page no longer has any specific prohibition against personal attacks and especially attacks against other commenters by name. It might be a good idea to have such a prohibition, and to enforce it consistently and vigorously.
Guess which commenter?
Clue: He is the one with the Borderline Personality Disorder with prominent Narcissistic Features.
It's all about you, baby. You strive mightily for people to attack you.
LLR-lefty Chuck: But interestingly, I see that Althouse’s comments page no longer has any specific prohibition against personal attacks and especially attacks against other commenters by name. It might be a good idea to have such a prohibition, and to enforce it consistently and vigorously."
The guy (LLR-lefty Chuck) who was banned for dishonest, disruptive, racist, vulgar and violent posting wrote this.
Discuss.
In 1959 an aluminum soft drink can weighed 89 grams empty. Today the same size can weighs 13 grams. Sure am glad the govt forced this change!
A good example of letting the free market work.
In my consulting days, I had two mid-size aluminum rolling mills as clients. Technology was their driving force not government regulation.
BTW, one of the few worthwhile recyclables is aluminum.
When incandescent lights were outlawed above a prescribed wattage some 12 years ago, we were stuck with European CFLs (Compact Florescent Lights) guaranteed to last three years but often didn't make it past three minutes. Everyone hated them but American ingenuity prevailed and now we have cheap, long lasting, low energy, high output, LED (Light Emitting Diode) bulbs that fit in old-fashioned sockets.
If the president insists that light bulbs need to suck energy and generate heat - more power to him because he will need it. Those who can afford to pay more are accommodated. But unfortunately, it appears that Donald's brilliant mind remains twelve years in arrears, fighting CFLs.
Also in the Turning Point USA speech; Trump again declared himself the recipient of a “Man of the Year” award from the state of Michigan. There is no such award. But this hasn’t been a one-off slip of the tongue from Trump. He’s said it repeatedly in recent days. And he has now repeated it after his phony claim became news as the fact checkers tried to run it down.
What’s funny now is that former GOP congressman Dave Trott May have been at ground zero for Trump’s nuclear ridiculousness in this story. Trott is the retired Michigan congressman who says he’d vote for impeachment if he were still in the House. And he was the chairman of the 2013 dinner where Trump seems to think he got an award that doesn’t exist:
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.detroitnews.com/amp/2033724001
The idea that I’m sitting around waiting for Donald Trump to tell me what to think because it already fits some base instinct that I have is laughable elitist snobbery.
Exactly. The lefties, like Howard, all think they are the educated elite. He is probably a lawyer, based on his tone, and I consider lawyers to be made up of people who did not want to take math in college.
I have two kids who are lawyers and I don't take science advice from either.
The political left has lost its mind. I hope it recovers because it is not healthy to have only one sane political party.
Chuck seems to be consumed with hate, which is a shame on Christmas Eve.
Bear in mind, folks, that not a single lefty on this board appears willing to stipulate that there exists any theoretical basis by which Trump's DOJ could legitimately investigate or indict any Democrat over the next five years. It's official. ANY indictment Durham or Barr hands down will be instantly dismissed as "Retaliation for Impeachment!". No amount of evidence or severity of crime will yield a different response. That was the entire purpose of the impeachment, of course.
gadfly - LEDs have some of the same infant mortality issues as CFLs. My new house has all LED lighting. I avoided the problem brands only with a lot of research. Most of my neighbors (all in for less than 2 years) have had significant failures of their LED bulbs and fixtures. While the LED itself will last forever, each bulb or fixture has a power supply embedded in it that converts AC to the DC current the LED requires. That is normally the failure item
Dullest story in the WaPo: "Impasse over Impeachment may drag on for weeks".
hey bgates how have you been,
Chuck is like Yosemite sam, stomping on his hat,
Dullest story Lines:
1. Current Weather shows affects of Climate Change - Some Scientists say
2. Republican politician decries deficit, calls for Smaller Government.
3. Antisemitism on rise in Luxembourg, Jewish Community Says
4. Local Politician descries crisis at Border; attacks Babies in Cages.
5. Hollywood exec promises more diversity in film in response to NAACP.
6. Box factory opening next month, promising jobs for community.
Re the extreme suckitude of modern appliances:
Yup. My sturdy kitchen appliances are all getting on to thirty years old, and, noble machines that they are, all good things come to an end. So I was asking my trusty appliance repair man for advice on a new oven, and he averred "Doesn't matter what you buy, they're all junk. You'll never find anything of the same quality as what you have now, no matter what you pay for it." We've had this same conversation every time he's come by to work on one of my old work-horses.
He did warn me about a couple of brands to avoid, but otherwise recommended buying the cheapest model I can find with the features I want, as higher priced models are no more durable or reliable than the cheaper ones, and yeah, I'll probably have to replace whatever piece of crap I end up buying in about five years.
So very green, eh?
Haven't read the above comments.
Is a certain racist fopdoodle protesting negative comments about Leftist Collectivist websites or newsletters?
Is he threatening people in odd ways?
Democratics must defend their religion: enviro-fascism.
Now what?
But the new LEDs are great and save a lot of money
Only on lights that you use a lot. They don't put out much heat, which is nice for half the year.
He wants us to know that Trump is NOT Michigan's Man of the Year. So, consider yourself notified.
The Poor Man's LLR-lefty Chuck gadfly: "If the president insists that light bulbs need to suck energy and generate heat -..."
LOL
Gadfly goes full Schiff-ty and LLR-lefty and just keeps making it up.
Meanwhile, actual LLR-lefty Chuck continues to quote former republicans who couldnt get elected today to save their lives because the Conservative Inc grift has been fully and completely and irrevocably exposed.
progs are like the sino anglo alliance in serenity 'they feel they have the right to meddle, they are in our minds, and they have no right to' their arrogance in creating the perfect docile populace, created the reavers,
Climate change is another hoax, just like "Russian Collusion".
And even if climate was NOT a hoax, the best solution would still be nuclear power. Windmills and solar panels aren't a solution at all.
And since the Climate hysterics routinely rule out the use of nuclear power as a tenet of their religion, you know that's just what it is: a religion, based on faith in dubious propositions.
Bear in mind, folks, that not a single lefty on this board appears willing to stipulate that there exists any theoretical basis by which Trump's DOJ could legitimately investigate or indict any Democrat over the next five years. It's official. ANY indictment Durham or Barr hands down will be instantly dismissed as "Retaliation for Impeachment!". No amount of evidence or severity of crime will yield a different response. That was the entire purpose of the impeachment, of course.
But of course. Any investigation of corrupt Democrats is immediately an impeachable offense. The cult rolls on.
firefly is coming to el rey network, sort of the mandelorian, before there was such a thing,
well more precisely like nuclear winter, the ttaps survey, they sold to carl sagan, and he propagated it to the nuclear freeze followers,
When you believe that men can have periods you ought not attack others for being non-scientific.
Wind turbines are just stupid.
Power grids require constant load. The net energy production of wind turbines is just massively negative.
Now the giant pieces of fiberglass are filling up landfills.
Defending wind turbines just demonstrates the defender has no idea how the world or AC electrical systems actually work.
sergei tretyakov, the illegals operative, whose memoir was ghosted by pete earley, who died the day the chapman ring went to Vienna, whose capture strzok took unwarranted credit for, mused about how easy it was to fool the likes of carl sagan and strobe Talbott,
Howard said...
I haven't discussed the science behind alternative energy at all Drago not on this post. I have in the past where I have stated that these technologies are not the answer and that nuclear power have to the exploited to properly decarbonise the economy. That does not preclude the fact that you are being played for fools by a con man who is appealing to your base vile instinks
So Trump is right.
You are an idiot.
A mean idiot that lashes out at people smarter than he is.
Thanks for that.
The political left has lost its mind. I hope it recovers because it is not healthy to have only one sane political party.
The difference between Republicans and Democrats is that Democrats always screw things up while Republicans only screw things up when they have no viable opposition.
That is why I remain an Independent.
Actually, there can be a second activator of compressed air at the toilet if you recently ate at Taco Bell.
I am Laslo.
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True. But matter state phase transformation - liquid solid gas is random sequence.
Good enough for gubmint work tho.
I was really trying to think of the most boring topic ever and came up with:
The Valarie Phlame affair. how the old-time Althouse commentators would battle over that! "Blah, Blah, Don't You understand Lucky old son?! Blah blabh"
And now, no one cares.
But those low flow toilets have ended the drought in California, of which there is currently none.
I don't miss Luckyoldson.
The coming months will decide whether our country will be governed by a corrupt, failed, and far-left ruling class or whether we will govern our country. Will it be governed of and by the American people? That’s what we’re talking about. (Applause.)
On every front, the extreme leftists — and they are leftists —
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Why..that's just CRAZY talk!
Some of the most boring Historical topics:
The Dreyfus Affair
The Smoot-Hawley tariff
The United Nations
The quemoy and matsu crisis
Anything with Jerry Ford
The Locarno Treaties
well that kerfluffle, was interesting, joe Wilson admitted the Iraqis might well have tried to buy the yellow cake, there was a dossier of sorts, one wonders where it ended up, but Wilson was likely on the take from the French conglomerate cogema, who had little interest in revealing that there was leakage of nuclear material, there was an Italian spy who had worked for French intelligence, who provided the tell tale documentation,
"I don't miss Luckyoldson."
Yes, but the old-time Athouse commentators LOVED to battle with him. Back and forth, the battle would rage, with them all explaining why LOS was wrong, and LOS saying he was right. yes, it was quite quite interesting.
AUDIENCE: Four more years! Four more years! Four more years!
THE PRESIDENT: Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Now, if you want to drive them crazy go, “16 more years.” (Applause.) “Sixteen more years.”
You know, you heard me say though — there’s this whackjob on television, and he’s sitting down interviewing a guest, and he’s a crazed lunatic. These people — we have driven them crazy. I — you know, at first, I didn’t really like the term “Trump Derangement Syndrome.” I didn’t. But it is — it’s true. People actually go see psychiatrists. And all we’re trying to do is make our country better. I just — is there anything wrong with that? (Applause.) You know, it’s crazy. Think of it.
We want great education. We want low taxes. We want a strong military. We want homes. We want low mortgage rates. What are we doing that bad? What are we doing? And yet they have Trump Derangement Syndrome. It’s crazy. It’s so crazy, but it’s going to all work out.
But, you know, this guy is sitting down — he’s interviewing a guest and he’s saying, “You know, he’s going to win, don’t you? He’s going to win.” Just a couple of months ago: “He’s going to win.” The guest says, “No, we’re going to fight very hard. We have a good chance. No, no, we’re going to fight very…” “No, no, he’s going to win, and in four years he’s not leaving.” (Laughter.) “He’s never leaving. I’m telling you, he’s never…” And I thought he was kidding. You know, he’s a comedian, I guess. I don’t know, he’s nothing. (Laughter.) But the guy is a zero. But he’s going — he’s going, “No, no he’s never leaving.”
And I started thinking, and the guy really believes that, okay? So from now on, start yelling, “16 more years.” You’re going to drive them crazy. (Applause.) You’ll drive them crazy.
Honestly, the Old Man Yelling At Clouds thing is one of the dumber aspects of Trump.
Old Man Yelling at the Clouds is a lot better than government mandates making our lives as miserable as possible just so some people can make money and the un-elected, bureaucratic thugs can exercise more control.
Gas stove?
Enjoy them while you have them.
Those nuts want them banned.
Suppose Trump could work Laslo comment into his harangue.
C'mon imagine the BOOST to Taco Bell share of compressed air industry.
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