Did Roger Stone just get convicted of lying and witness tampering to spare the President of the United States from the impact of a witch hunt?— Scott Adams (@ScottAdamsSays) November 16, 2019
Easiest pardon ever.
I'd bet on this one. #PardonRogerStone
ADDED: After yesterday's tweet, defending himself as Yovanovich was testifying against him, Trump attracted accusations that he was intimidating future witnesses. Wouldn't pardoning Stone be the other side of that coin — demonstrating to all potential witnesses against him that good things lie ahead if you stick to Trump's side?
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Stone is a court jester and clown. He lied to pretend he was close to Trump and got the Manafort treatment from einsatzgruppenfuhrer Mueller.
DJT needs to pardon him ASAP.
Don’t let folks think hat they should be truthful re investigations of DJT. Stone being locked up could inspire truthfulness from other DJT folks, cause they don’t want to be locked up.
Easy call fer POTUS.
Contrast the way Stone was treated with the way (before they had him killed) Epstein was treated. Then, contrast the way Manafort was treated as opposed to the Podesta brothers whom he worked in the Ukraine WITH) are treated.... It's all a shit show.
Two teir justice system
Zero moral authority left
The twisted convolution of wacky conspiracies must be Doc Mike's defense against dhimmentia. Whatever it takes.
"got the Manafort treatment" = "was convicted of multiple felonies'
Next time, English, please.
Stone is reckless and thought he could lie his way through Congress, which was stupid. The sentence should be no more than 6 mos. But if he gets nailed for, say, more than a year, Yes, Trump should commute the sentence.After the 2020 election though.
They never revealed the analytics
No the swat team, as if he wasa master criminal.
Where are the convictions for the many "resistance" fighters that we have seen lie to congress and investigators?
Everyone who was convicted of a process crime in this never ending Democrat shit show should be pardoned or have his sentence commuted. None of these people would have even been exposed to any legal jeopardy, including Manafort, if the left were not obsessed with impeaching Trump and if the justice system had not been perverted for that purpose. These convictions were a direct result of political show trials staged during the commission of an attempted coup, and they stand as an embarrassment to justice.
Trump should eventually commute Stone's sentence sometime after Stone's appeals are exhausted and the Horowitz and Durham investigations are complete, after the election.
Trump should pardon only those crimes arguably born of the inquisitorial overreach of the "witch hunt".
Wouldn't pardoning Stone be the other side of that coin — demonstrating to all potential witnesses against him that good things lie ahead if you stick to Trump's side?
The Mueller Investigation was about intimidating potential Trump supporters by making examples of actual ones and, by extension, intimidating potential supporters of any future outsiders like Trump who want to drain the swamp. That's the coin a Stone pardon would be the other side of.
Particularly since this went to a jury, pardoning Stone now before all his appeals that might overturn the convictions on the law, would only guarantee an "abuse of power" impeachment charge that many Republicans might go along with.
Wince: "Trump should pardon only those crimes arguably born of the inquisitorial overreach of the "witch hunt".
Correct. Particularly in those cases where the dem deep staters/obama holdovers used their "discretion" to let dems/deep staters/lefties who committed precisely the same sort of minimal offenses (failing to register as a foreign agent/FARA violations) off without so much as a warning.
We literally have the text messages from FBI "investigators" looking into the Clinton email corruption laughing about the outright lies the Clintonites were telling the "investigators" right before the "investigators" gave them all immunity in return for....(wait for it...wait for it.....).... nothing.
Nothing at all.
Just a get out of Jail free card.
The Podesta's are the perfect FARA examples where they were literally working with Manafort directly for the same foreign clients and Manafort goes to Prison even before the trial ends and is placed in solitary confinement where Tony Podesta is allowed to slink away, register after the fact as a Foreign Agent, and have nary a fear ever of being prosecuted.
The twisted convolution of wacky conspiracies must be Doc Mike's defense against dhimmentia. Whatever it takes.
Howard gets his adjectives mixed up. Dhimmitude is your team, Howard.
Stone pretended he knew stuff. I could see Trump commuting his sentence, like Bush did for Libby who he should have pardoned. Stone got himself in trouble, unlike Libby.
Howard go back to sleep until that booze has worn off.
jaydub and Wince are right. Agree completely.
I am reposting this from yesterday's Miss Universe thread:
For those who didn't follow the Stone case- here is a summary:
Throughout the general election campaign, Stone kept making predictions about when and what Wikileaks would release, and he communicated this to other people in the Trump Campaign, including Steve Bannon. He got all of the true predictions wrong- literally every one of them- the only ones that were correct were the ones where Wikileaks had already posted their own tweets about what was coming- in other words, Stone was reading what everyone else was reading and passing it off as inside information. He lied over and over on his Twitter feed during the campaign. Indeed, Stone became an inside joke with the right leaning blogosphere by October 2016 due to all the missed predictions and the fake predictions.
Of course, Mueller and his high IQ team bought the story about Stone really having an inside source at Wikileaks, and spent a considerable amount of time and money trying to prove that Stone was the conduit between Wikileaks and the Trump Campaign. At that time, Stone decided to start lying about his real relationship with Wikileaks, and he tried to pass Jerome Corsi and Randy Credico off as his link to Wikileaks- he also lied about his attempts to contact Wikileaks to get real inside information, and he concealed those attempts. He also put a considerable amount of pressure to get Credico to back up the stories Stone was telling Congress and the Mueller investigation.
Here is how Stone should have handled this: when questioned, he should have just admitted that he had no inside link to Wikileaks- he should have just released all the e-mails and texts showing how he tried and failed to get such inside information from Wikileaks- Wikileaks repeatedly gave him the brush off. Credico told him as much when Stone was trying to get Credico to lie- Credico basically told him the lies he was telling were ridiculous and pointless- risking so much for practically no benefit that any sane person could detect.
Now, I think there is a good chance that Stone will win a reversal on most of the charges on appeal- most of his lies are pretty immaterial since only morons (like Team Mueller, for example) would have believed Stone's original claims about being a guy in the know. The one area, though, where the conviction is likely to stick is where he definitely tried to suborn perjury from Credico.
Michael K: "Howard gets his adjectives mixed up."
Howard gets all the words and terms mixed up. He thinks that if he just sprinkles in a bunch of these hip terms regardless of whether or not his postings are coherent it will help make him seem current and on the ball.
He's our gruff but lovable dumbkopf.
Now I wouldn't have trusted randi credico, who was defended by the ratner-kunstler gang? to take my puppy for a walk,
In short, to stay out of jail, Stone would have had to admit he was lying in his Twitter feed about having an in at Wikileaks. Proof that Stone had such an inside link to Wikileaks was the thing that Mueller most wanted out of Stone- it would have helped this conspiracy case:
Russians to Wikileaks to Stone to Trump, and the reverse sequence, too.
However, as it turned out when Mueller finally got his hands on Stone's e-mails and texts, and after he got the real stories from Corsi and Credico, it was revealed that Stone was lying about pretty much everything and to everyone, including about being an inside source at Wikileaks- this is made abundantly clear in the e-mails and texts. In short, Mueller and his team of idiots spent months trying to prove a conspiracy linked through Stone to Wikileaks that was all a fabrication by Stone, and a fabrication Stone continued to state and defend right up until he was arrested, and continued to lie until he was put under a gag order.
I don't know why Stone chose these actions- they look idiotic to me since the truth would have protected him from indictment and wouldn't have served Mueller's purposes for the collusion investigation. The only thing that makes sense to me is that Stone didn't want to have to admit to the public lies about being the man with the inside information.
You should read the texts between Stone and Credico when Stone was trying to get Credico to lie. Credico is flabbergasted that Stone isn't just telling the truth since the truth keeps him out of jail.
Like Bill Clinton and Susan MacDougal? From Wikipedia:
Susan Carol McDougal (née Henley; born 1955) is one of the few people who served prison time as a result of the Whitewater controversy of the 15 individuals who were convicted of federal charges.
Her refusal to answer "three questions" for a grand jury, on whether President Bill Clinton lied in his testimony during her Whitewater trial, led her to receive a jail sentence of 18 months for contempt of court. That made up most of the total 22 months she spent incarcerated.
She received a full presidential pardon from Clinton in the final hours of his presidency in 2001.
"good things lie ahead if you stick to Trump's side"
How did he stick to Trump's side?
When does CBF get indicted and tried? She repeatedly lied on national TV in front of a giant audience. And, of course, Hillary needs to be locked up.
that's a good question, jessie liu apparently can't be bothered,
After yesterday's tweet, defending himself as Yovanovich was testifying against him, Trump attracted accusations that he was intimidating future witnesses.
Althouse, you'd think your fellow liberals would bring a nice brie to go with all the w(h)ine.
craig murray's interview with credico, is illuminating on this point, yes roger you have enemies, don't make it easier for them,
Didn’t Stone try to convince Mueller that the Trump campaign had an inside line to Wikileaks? Didn’t he try to intimidate a witness, who now says he was in no way intimidated and didn’t take the threats seriously, to testify that he was the source inside Wikileaks?
I see Yancey covered it. Stone’s biggest crime was to get Mueller’s hopes up.
We have recordings of Bill Clinton suborning perjury, BTW.
Depends. Are poor taste and being an @hole still capital crimes?
Roger must be pretty stupid (the Nixon tattoo makes me wonder) to keep lying when it was going to send him to prison.
If the judge is at all fair, he will get 6 months.
If Trump wants to pardon all the process criminals once the entire farce is over, go ahead. But not until then.
If Trump wants to pardon all the process criminals once the entire farce is over, go ahead. But not until then.
I agree. Both Manafort and Stone are not choirboys but were persecuted to try to get (nonexistent) dirt on Trump.
Flynn is a far worse case as he was targeted because he was a reformer in IC.
I don't know why Stone chose these actions- they look idiotic to me since the truth would have protected him from indictment and wouldn't have served Mueller's purposes for the collusion investigation.
I think Stone wants to go to jail. He wants to be G. Gordon Liddy.
I don't think its rational, but that doesn't mean that its not true.
credico, remembered manafort's work, for marcos, mobutu, and the like,
and may have sought revenge against both, on ideological basis,
justice, what is that about?
https://www.mediaite.com/tv/donna-brazile-goes-off-on-roger-stone-to-bill-maher-i-hope-he-roasts-in-hell-that-son-of-a-btch/
tim maguire: "If Trump wants to pardon all the process criminals once the entire farce is over, go ahead. But not until then."
Agreed.
But if someone, like Manafort, also does have other issues that arose, such as tax payment issues and those tax payment issues were a stretch and only made part of the process to get Trump, I'd pardon for those infractions as well.
Otherwise, commutation of sentence.
@tim maguire, and when will that be, pray may I ask?
Wince is right.
This is not a problem for Trump. It is a precedent which is a problem for those Obama administration officials who lied. I think there are a number of those. Brennan for instance.
I wouldn't pardon anybody until I know whether Bill Barr and John Durham deliver process crimes against Trump's Deep State coup plotters.
If the coup plotters go to prison for real crimes, then I would think about commuting process-crime-bull-shit charges. Hell, I might even commute Peter Strzok's process crime of lying to the FBI, so long as he serves real time for his other criminal behavior.
Hell, I might even commute Peter Strzok's process crime of lying to the FBI, so long as he serves real time for his other criminal behavior.
Would👋you👋please👋stop👋showing👋mercy👋to👋our👋enemies?👋
Asking for a friend.
Big Mike said...
@tim maguire, and when will that be, pray may I ask?
You may, though your question sounds like the opening gambit of a troll.
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