"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
Said Michael Bloomberg, announcing his bid for the Democratic nomination, reported at AP.
Bloomberg is more than 10 times as rich as Trump — something like $50 billion, compared to $3 billion. He could spend a billion dollars of his own money and it would be a mere trifle to him. It's the amount Elizabeth Warren would confiscate for the government every year — 2%.
Bloomberg is the 11th richest person in the world. Trump is only 259th.
Bloomberg has plans to spend $100 million of his pocket change on internet ads attacking Trump. I'm eager to see these ads, because I'm so used to attacks on Trump, that I have a hard time imagining what an effective attack ad could be. But go ahead, Mayor, buy some ads. Meanwhile Trump puts up tweets that cost nothing, and that get more attention than any ad.
How many Twitter followers does Bloomberg have? 2.3 million, presumably people who already like him, not the audience he needs to win more support. I was going to start following him, and I almost unfollowed him, because I clicked what I thought was the "follow" button, and I was already following. I've never noticed his tweets. I've noticed Trump's tweets multiple times every day. Trump may have less money than Bloomberg but he has monumentally more Twitter volume.
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Go spend it on something better for everyone and not yourself.
He seems to be the least crazy of the Democrat Clown Show Kast.
That's not saying much.
If Trump is an existential threat, why do we still exist? *thinking emoji*
The truth is, Micheal.
The country can't afford you.
Bloomy has the personality of a dead raccoon. He won't be able to beat a Democrat who is even minimally charismatic.
Michael Ban All Things Bloomberg has to win the Democratic Party nomination first. Highly unlikely. Bashing Trump will gain him nothing, all the dem candidates do that.
So then what does he do? Third party?
How does he plan to "repair" Trumps economy? Go grovel to Xi? Open the borders? Ban more things? Ban all the things? What, exactly, is his plan?
Mr Big Gulp
One Tom Steyer is more than enough.
’He represents an existential threat to our country and our values.’
Bullshit. We’re in an era of peace and prosperity unmatched for the last fifty years. Trump is likely the cleanest elected official in DC. Fuck off, shorty.
we were all supposed to be killed off by net neutrality, promises promises,
If he wants to rebuild, why hasn’t he already?
Let him spend his money. He has more than enough.
His values, not mine.
He is a far stronger candidate than berniewarrenbiden in the general election , but he isn’t crazy enough to win the Democrat nomination I think. Tentatively he is my first choice from the clown car.
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
Why?
What's the threat? We have had three years of no more crazy wars, though a rather slow retreat from Afghanistan, and foreign crises managed reasonably well -- nothing new to endanger us in any substantial way. Trump is threatening China, which was about time -- they, not Trump, represent the existential threat: what would Bloomberg do to protect us? Trump has tried, with some but limited success so far, to stem the southern invasion -- that, not Trump, is an existential threat: what would Bloomberg do to protect the border? And of course, the economy has done very well under Trump: our existence has not been threatened but rather improved. Besides grandstanding, what's Bloomberg's point?
Similarly, I don't get the "damage": what has Trump done to damage the country? In fact, the greatest damage was done by deep-staters to the president with the Russia collusion hoax. Did Bloomy think that was OK?
My friend was raised in NYC. She visits there, recently came back and said it’s filthy. Trash everywhere.
@Beasts of England.
Yes, that’s the problem, isn’t it?
Despite the Democrats’ incessant lawfare campaign, Trump’s been a remarkably successful and effective president.
Best president since Reagan.
Him and Tom Steyer can squeeze in behind one lectern for the next debate.
Jeb Bush and his allies raised more than $53 million per delegate won in 2016.
Steyer and Blumenthal say in unison: Hold my beer.
His handling of Hurricane Sandy was poor.
Bloomberg would do the opposite, he's repudiated his own good policy, 'stop and frisk' he's anti gun, pro moloch and skydragon, he put Siraj, the fellow connected to the new mexico cell,
on the human rights panel,
$50 billion. If he cared, he’d be worth less because he would have been “rebuilding” all along.
Make them walk their talk.
’Best president since Reagan.’
And Trump has done so with unprecedented attacks during his tenure.
Technically it's still Hillary's turn.
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
Mike, drinking too much, no matter when during the day, is never a good idea.
we may never recover
Like the stock market after 2016?
Who’s the least wealthy Dem in the race - Tulsi? Two evil billionaires and several other millionaires on the debate stage next time? Delicious. 😋
Bloomberg will get America moving again.
Trump has challenged the intellectual orthodoxy of the past 60 years.
He's rejected the notion that the most important issue facing us is the eternal anti-bigotry crusade. And, he's refused to abide by PC censorship.
Bigotry is not an important issue in the U.S., nor has it been for a long time. The feminist and gay crusades were always phony shit, piggy backing cynically on the black civil rights movement.. Women and gays were never "second class citizens" or oppressed in the U.S.
One of the first aspects of Trump's approach that attracted me was his devastating attacks on the sacred cows of the anti-bigotry crusade. Three years later, as Mexico collapses into a narco state ruled by the cartels, who can doubt Trump's characterizations of the state of that country and its citizens?
You can't see and deal adequately with reality when you are blinded by censorship. Trump has done what artists should have done, but failed to do out of cowardice, which is to attack the phony bullshit of the anti-bigotry crusade and PC censorship. He's an inspirational, intellectual leader.
Blacks just might have an issue with Mr. "Stop and Frisk" Bloomberg.
At approx. 35% approval among Blacks, it appears The Donald is making serious inroads into the Democrat base.
If you're famous, women let you stop and frisk them.
I would like examples of how Trump is an existential threat to me.
Trump has 'pedes who will meme for him. All Bloomberg has is money.
"Similarly, I don't get the "damage": what has Trump done to damage the country?"
Sharpiegate. Somebody might have got hurt. He called some countries shitholes (maybe). It doesn't get much more damaging than that!
Well if a Moby liar like Ken B prefers Bloomberg...
All the Democratics are losers.
Bloomberg's billions won't buy a presidency.
A candidate has to start with ideas that people want.
All the Democratics fail.
I'm not sure these Democratics can pass a Turing Test.
Emoluments Clause? Does Bloomberg plan to divest?
Mary Beth,
Love the pick you selected.
’Sharpiegate’
Sharpiegate?! What about the seventeen million Kurds who were slaughtered in Kentucky? What about the fake Medal of Honor he awarded to a dog? What’s about the thousands of women he raped and killed at Bergdorf Goodman?
If we wants to run for something, he should run for NYC mayor again. He's a nanny stater, but he's still a lot better than de Blasio and any of the other likely candidates.
Lunchbucket Joe says: "C'mon man! It's expodential!"
rhhardin said...Bloomberg will get America moving again.
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President Trump’s reckless and unethical actions."
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values.
Could someone (Chuck? Igna? Howard?) help me out,
and give me a partial list of these reckless and unethical actions?
Yes, "reckless and unethical", please provide a list.
The existential threat to America and our way of life comes from the people of the "Resistence" and the permanent opposition to a duly elected POTUS.
Good comments above. I’m not seeing a President Bloomberg.
Bloomberg 2020
He has solutions. He'll find the problems, don't worry.
Who is this “we” kimosobe?
Bloomberg, a New Yorker, in every sense of the word, does NOT have national appeal. He was a good mayor for NYC, quite good, but he cannot make the sale nationwide.
He is no TRUMP. He is not even Gullianii as far as mass appeal goes.
Bag it, Bloomberg!
Appealing to scorned womxn everywhere!!
Unethical.
What about Biden and his son?
Clintons?
Brennan?
Teh grrls?
So much D corruption we must all deny in front of our eyes.
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Trump may not be as wealthy, but he's not trying to be my nanny either.
I get a kick out of CBS News describing Bloomberg as "the former Republican."
Via Insty:
JUST SAW MY FIRST MIKE BLOOMBERG FOR PRESIDENT AD, and it seems designed to make you think that he, not Rudy Giuliani, was mayor at the time of 9/11. (Yeah, it says “after 9/11,” but while showing pics of the day after 9/11). Kinda cheap, but I’m sure some consultants made a lot of money.
He represents an existential threat to our country and our values.
Said today or three years ago? I've heard it so many times I can't keep track.
"I would like examples of how Trump is an existential threat to me."
It seems like this is all down to vanity now. Tell the crazy little city-states what they want to hear, and their denizens puff up.
Does the DNC still include individual donation counts as a criteria for the debates? And didn't Michael B forsake donations?
Seems like he is saying he doesn't care if he's ever at the debates.
"Every billionaire is a policy mistake" says the congresswoman from Mr. Bloomberg's city. So, fifty mistakes before he even gets started.
He's an existential threat to the establishment types like Hillary and Biden, who for years have been enriching themselves as public servants. For them, yeah, their very existence is being threatened. The rest of us, nah.
That's why 'get Trump' has been at 11 since before he even won. He didn't come up through the system, turning a blind eye to the folks turning public funds into their personal accounts. Every president (in my lifetime at least) learned that lesson - say nothing and you'll be left alone. Trump don't play that game - why should he?
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
I am so sick and tired of incessant hyperbole I could scream with the power of a hundred million crazed magpies on two barrels of meth. Per magpie.
"I’m running for president to defeat Donald Trump and rebuild America."
Is Bloomberg as stupid as Kamala Harris?!!?
This is a Democrat Primary, not a General Election. Every Delusional Leftwing Fuckhead running wants to beat Trump. The first question is how you get sufficient Delegates in the primary to win the nomination. That's a different type of campaign, different strategy, different tactics.
I'm looking forward to him wasting millions of $ for no delegates.
'From a certain point of view' they are correct, things have been done a certain way for 70 years or so, this comprises a certain regime.
Any nominee of a major party has a real chance of winning. There are simply too many things that can happen, including heart attacks.
Who would you prefer have a real chance of becoming president? Warren? Sanders? Biden? Booker? Clinton?? I will take Bloomberg over any of those even if I don’t like him. It is a *failing* of the Democrats that they disagree and would prefer one of the others.
Oh:
https://mobile.twitter.com/ChuckRossDC/status/1198691988645830663
Think of tony stark vs justin hammer.
Simply too old.
"I'm running to defeat Trump" is the message of all the other... genuine democratic candidates.
lame.
He'll be a good punching bag for Warren.
As Michael K. mentioned above, Bllomberg is largely known for his nanny state idea to ban Big Gulp sodas at fast food restaurants and convenience stores.
The other thing he was known for was law and order in NYC, which he has already backtracked on to grovel to the progs.
He couldn't possibly win the Dem nomination. At least he is stimulating the economy with his spending.
Bloomberg
Running against something is a bad look. Bad messaging. Trump ran on the greatness of America, and campaigned on that belief. He delivered. All Dems lead with the same premise. Orange Man Bad. Not working so well now. The FBI spent 2 years investigating, Orange Man? Nope, just fine. Mueller spent two years prosecuting. But not Orange man or anyone close to him. Schiff and Pelosi, promised. But after two weeks of public hearings, even they are hedging now on what the next step should be. If they aren't sure Orange Man Bad, how can anyone know?
I swear the administrative state and the Comfy Class are like three-year-olds denying they spilled the juice.
They keep hoping that if they can keep saying these things until Facebook / Google / Twitter / YouTube can silence alternative voices they'll be the only narrative in town.
Bloom berg reminds of your high school date's dad, and he is successful, and is maybe really generous and active when it comes to supporting the community, but he looks at you as though you were an insect.
Rebuild America? These people just say any old shit they want to.
SGT Ted,
If they want to rebuild America one of the Democratics could called for passage of the USMCA trade deal.
But has a single one of them done so?
Nope.
Trump is the President of Twitter, but America needs a President too.
What positive message are the Democrats supposed to attach to their presidential candidate?
Your speech will be controlled? You will be taxed more? Women have penises and men can menstruate and bear children? We will take away your gun? State-approved race discrimination is not only a good, it is the primary duty of the state?
Good for him. Every dollar he spends in this futile quest is a dollar he can't spend on his anti-Second Amendment agenda.
Carry on, egotistical sucker.
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values."
Ironic coming from Bloomberg who bought off enough City Council members to temporarily change the term limit law that NYC residents had twice voted for. Then he spent 100 million on ads against an unknown candidate who had no funding. The result was Bloomberg won by 50,000 votes. He destroyed C. Quinn in the process.Bloomberg did exactly what Trump is always being accused of - he refused to follow the norms and refused to leave office when his term should have been up.
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values.
Trump opposes corruption, taxes, endless wars, bureaucracy. An existential threat? Anyhow, what I wonder is how Soros bids against Steyer against Bloomberg for a given reporter. Naturally I hate the reporters but still I'd like the Three Billionaire Amigos to distinctly realize that Wisconsin is a battleground state and its reporters are most definitely for sale and we get tired of watching the snow and a Reporter Auction in Miller Park would be a Great Thing (Wisconsin Leads The Way - Again!). And if you know any other billionaires bring them along. The Munificent Seven - I see it now.
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Bloomberg's main point does not resonate. Things aren't that bad that I cannot afford another 4 years of Trump. Economy has been pretty good. How much do I care about Trump's actions if the economy is doing well. Maybe there are things that I don't like, but the idea that we can't afford 4 more years of Trump is absurd unless you think climate change will be irreversible after 4 more years of Trump. If that is what Bloomberg believes, let him say it and let's see how many votes he gets.
I bet he says in his ads that he will unite America. It polls well.
“Trump is the President of Twitter, but America needs a President too.”
I think America is doing pretty well with him as president. What you seem to mean is that liberals "need a president too.” Well, you have one, it’s not our fault you are in denial of that tact. America is doing pretty well.
Ann,
You say pdjt is worth $3 billion.
Do you believe he perjured himself on his 90+ page filing where he showed net assets of about $9 billion?
How come such a big discrepancy?
John Henry
Imagine what Biden, Bernie, and the squaw must be thinking right now.
And what can the DNC do? They're going to have to handle him with kid gloves because they know if they anger him, he'll spend his money on an independent run.
How endearing is this guy? His communications conglomerate just announced it won't be running anything negative on the good mayor or his Democrat challengers.
That ought to shore up the loss of trust in the media.
A good week for Trump just got better.
Money can't buy Bloomberg love.
Democrats are jealous of his wealth, Republicans don't like his politics. Independents: Bloomberg? Who?
What Bloomberg said:"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
What Bloomberg meant: "He represents an existential threat to the Deep State and its values. If he wins another term in office, it may never recover from the damage."
How many Twitter followers does Bloomberg have? 2.3 million, presumably people who already like him, not the audience he needs to win more support
Clearly Althouse doesn't know about "bot farms". These days you can buy 10,000 followers for a couple hundred bucks.
Media personalities created such a demand it drove the prices down.
Left Bank of the Charles said...
Trump is the President of Twitter, but America needs a President too.
*******
I guess you missed the 2016 election. Trump got MANY more votes than he has followers on Twwiter, and a clear majority in the Electoral College.
Or are you playing by different rules that WE have to honor?
Love that dirty water, indeed.
He should make a video of him in an airport running up to a traveler and knocking the soda cup out of their hands.
"Bloomberg 2020!!"
Bloomberg is probably fooling himself. White, rich, old, Jewish- not gonna win the Democratic nomination. Wouldn't win a single state primary or caucus below the Mason-Dixon line. Might be able to finish second in California and few other states in the Northeast, but no nomination. He will draw all of his support from probably Biden, Klobuchar, and Buttuvwxyz, and I doubt he even polls 10% anywhere.
The truly ironic thing is this- had he never repudiated his convenient switch from Democrat to Republican to win the mayoralty in 2001 to succeed Giuliani, he could have possible damaged Trump with a 3rd party run in either 2016 or 2020, but that switch back to being Democrat ended that possibility. Too fucking funny.
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Lewis Wetzel said...What positive message are the Democrats supposed to attach to their presidential candidate?
The positive message is "not Trump." I know, that's a perversion of language and language but it is what it is. I'm pretty sure that many people consider a negative a positive.
The only way Bloomberg could win is to win like Trump did: use his own money to free himself from the Democratic machine, than make that very clear. He can afford to say things that Gabbard can't. But will he? I doubt it.
rhhardin writes: Bloomberg will get America moving again.
Bloomberg, a national dose of castor oil.
Something that no one seems to have mentioned is that Bloomberg is the #1 spender and proponent of gun control in the country, by far. His money apparently was key to flipping VA blue this year. Hate and loathing of him by the right is likely to rival that of Trump by the left, and easily eclipsing that of the right to any of the other candidates, even environmental wacko Tom Steyer. This is just another reason that he will have a hard time outside the NE, and the Left Coast.
"We cannot afford four more years of President Trump’s reckless and unethical actions. He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
Why am I not seeing any of this - after four years of these claims?
The worst thing about a Trump presidency's been enduring his mindless opponents and their delusions.
“Rebuild America”: the assumption being that something needs rebuilding.
Bay Area Guy said...
This is a Democrat Primary, not a General Election. Every Delusional Leftwing Fuckhead ...
Good point. What are the actual rules for winning the Democrat Primary? I don’t see the point of keeping up with that, as it seems to me that there’s an unnamed committee somewhere in the bowels of the DNC machine making the decision.
Trump is an existential threat to the technocratic, globalist political establishment. He is reordering the political landscape, making it more democratic and egalitarian. If he succeeds then he will be one of the most consequential US presidents in our history.
- 11th richest person in the world? For half of Dem voter base it means he's way bigger thief than Donald Trump
- 'rebuild America'? sounds a lot like 'Make America Great Again', just less more sexy
- he's old
"He represents an existential threat to our country and our values. If he wins another term in office, we may never recover from the damage."
This kind of motivation is at the top of the most effective according to Scott Adams. Let's recap:
1. Big fear
2. Identity
3. Smaller fear
4. Aspirations
5. Habits
...
Also according to Scott Adams voters are supposed to fear the President who almost got fired for a phone call.
Bruce Hayden: Bloomberg spent lots of $ in Wisconsin promoting gun control.
Wisconsinites, in so many words, told him to go pound sand.
Thankfully not everything can be bought.
Bloomberg stated, without evidence, that President Trump "represents an existential threat to our country and our values."
Nanny Bloomberg represents an existential threat to every gun owner in the country. That is estimated to be in excess of 100 million voters.
Interesting that the Mayor of NYC would run against someone who publicly moved out of NYC because of the high taxes there.
"Bloomberg stated, without evidence, that President Trump 'represents an existential threat to our country and our values.'"
Bloomberg forgets that many Americans have the values of jackals and thieves.
Bloomberg forgets that many Americans have the values of jackals and thieves.
And they're all Democrats. Every God-damned one of them.
"Trump is an existential threat to the technocratic, globalist political establishment."
No, he isn't.
"He is reordering the political landscape, making it more democratic and egalitarian."
No, he isn't.
Catholic school tuition averages a bit over 5 grand per year. Times 12 years is $60 grand, so for $1.2 billion Bloomberg could rescue 20 thousand kids from the worst public schools. Wouldn't that be a greater contribution to society than inflicting a bunch of political ads on his countrymen?
"And they're all Democrats. Every God-damned one of them."
They're found among more than just the Democrats.
"Trump opposes corruption...."
Hahahaha!
No, he isn't.
Wow, what a devastatingly well thought out and presented argument.
"JUST SAW MY FIRST MIKE BLOOMBERG FOR PRESIDENT AD, and it seems designed to make you think that he, not Rudy Giuliani, was mayor at the time of 9/11."
What did Giuliani do that was so great on 9/11? He tried to use it as an excuse to postpone the election so he could stay in office a bit longer "to help the city heal."
He has always been a turd.
First climate change was the ”existential threat.” Now our own president is an “existential threat.” That phrase is also in the Japan article down the page. “Existential” is the new “literally”: a word gratuitously added to a sentence to make the user sound sophisticated.
"Wow, what a devastatingly well thought out and presented argument."
A simple statement of the reality. Nothing more needs be said.
He recently apologized for policies that reduced crime in NYC.
This is disqualifying, and for those who insist it is not, stay the hell away frome me and family.
Robert Cook imagining that he, a Marxist stooge, occupies the high moral and intellectual ground is fascinatingly perverse and stupid.
You work hard at stupid, Bob.
Horace Greeley (I know, I know) amusingly said, "Not all Democrats are horse thieves, but all horse thieves are Democrats."
That was before he became the joint nominee for president of the new Liberal Republican (anti-Grant) Party and the Democratic Party in 1872.
Robert Cook suggests, without evidence, that Trump supporters "have the values of jackals and thieves."
I've seen a few ads.
So - tell me what Trump's done that's so damn bad?
Low unemployment. Wages rising. Stock market (and retirement accounts) at all time highs. A change (modest, to be sure) with NK. Manipulating China. Not suspending fracking. Getting us out of the Paris Climate Treaty when we're 10% under our professed goals, while China and other countries are still way over... and increasing their CO2 output.
Not treating the people of this county as a group to be turned into serfs - instead of citizens of the most prosperous country in the world. (Which I believe a lot of environmentalists hate - they'd rather ruin the US than press China and India to reduce their emissions.)
Basically, he's acting like a President doing what's best for the country as a whole, instead of the folks inhabiting the Beltway...
YMMV, JMHO, Time will tell... and all that.
But if you tell me that he's ruining the country, you'd better have a LOT more proof than just your hurt feelz. Because I'm gonna look at my 401k, and at your hurt feelz, and my 401k's a LOT more important to me than your crying because Hillary didn't get elected...
Horace Greeley is an interesting connection: wealthy safe-made publisher whose reputation was more or less ruined by the campaign against Grant, with Greeley retiring from public life and passing away not long after his ignominious defeat. Bloomberg should read up on him: Bloomberg repudiating his own successful mayoralty, asking forgiveness and pleading ignorance as explanation for his successful law and order policies, is a poor indication of what this will do to Bloomberg's legacy. He's trashing it himself. Bloomberg was very annoying as a personality, but deBlasio has given me an appreciation of Mayor Mike that was difficult to achieve when we had Mayor Mike to kick around. Bloomberg is hilariously inept at retail politics: in the NY1 news archives is footage of Bloomberg attending backyard BBQs and speaking Spanish that need to be seen to be believed. He's going to get ripped to shreds for the threat he poses to the Dem establishment: in a few weeks, we'll hear all about how he was a lecherous, miserable boss at Bloomberg, and they'll probably go after his daughter too. If by some crazy chance he or Bernie win the nomination, the global takeover by loudmouth NYers will be complete.
"He recently apologized for policies that reduced crime in NYC."
Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk" policy had very little impact on crime in NYC and very few of the citizens harassed by the police in their stop-and-frisk stops were found to be in possession of weapons or illegal drugs.
Wait, I thought climate change was the existential threat? Hard to keep them straight.
Mistaken though the presentation of the science is, at least with climate change I can understand what the threat might be.
Bloomberg ain't got a chance running as a Democrat. This ain't the 1990s.
Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk" policy had very little impact on crime in NYC
Statistics say that you're a liar, Cookie.
and very few of the citizens harassed by the police in their stop-and-frisk stops were found to be in possession of weapons or illegal drugs
Maybe because people stopped carrying them on their person for fear of being arrested?
It's pretty obvious Trump is enriching the global elite beyond belief with his deficit inflating policies to pump the junk. At the same time he play pretend panders to the so-called working man, the obese oxy hounds, impotent chickenhawks and conspiracy theorists.
In my book, any candidate who states their primary motivation in running for office is to defeat their opponent is automatically disqualified. How dumb. Doesn't every candidate who isn't the incumbent want to defeat the incumbent? Instead, why not provide some rationale on what you would do if elected. But obviously, that's the hard part. Much easier to appeal to partisan nut jobs.
Statistics say that you're a liar, Cookie.
Then why hasn't crime in NYC soared since stop and frisk ended?
"until Facebook / Google / Twitter / YouTube can silence alternative voices they'll be the only narrative in town."
Facebook has a lot of true believers I'm sure, but this Congress and Warren are slowly red-pilling Zuckerberg.
Trump's Net Worth, $3BN? (Per Forbes) $9BN? (Per FEC)
Anyone?
John Henry
"Statistics say that you're a liar, Cookie."
No, they don't.
"Bloomberg forgets that many Americans have the values of jackals and thieves.”
To be put in virtual cages by a coercive state, of course. You can’t trust “jackals and theives” with freedom!
"Robert Cook imagining that he, a Marxist stooge, occupies the high moral and intellectual ground is fascinatingly perverse and stupid."
It is not I who imagine myself to be a Marxist, (stooge or otherwise), but you.
@Cookie, you are a Marxist stooge, whether you personally accept the label or not.
Cookie's on a roll this morning. Nicely done, Cookie! :-)
Trump's Net Worth, $3BN? (Per Forbes) $9BN? (Per FEC)
It depends on who is assigning value to the assets. And when. Especially since a lot of Trump's assets are real estate.
ST: Robert Cook imagining that he, a Marxist stooge, occupies the high moral and intellectual ground is fascinatingly perverse and stupid.
Cookie is the eternal teenager at an adult dinner party. He thinks he's the first person to either discover, or bravely acknowledge, that the world is a corrupt and fallen place. All the adults are being bamboozled or in denial, because they're just not the selfless, intellectually and morally superior, fearless lover of truth that he is. (He will demonstrate that he's nobody's fool by doing things like casting protest votes for Jill Stein.)
This is a very common mind-set, but most of us grow out of it by our early twenties.
It really doesn't matter how much Bloomberg spends, the reality is that "the dogs don't like the dog food", and he will lose
If Trump really presents an "existential threat" to all that is good in America, Bloomberg should strongly consider bypassing the unwinnable, crowded Dem primary and run as a 3rd Party Independent like Ross Perot did.
C'mon Bloomberg - the country needs you!
Blogger Howard said...
It's pretty obvious Trump is enriching the global elite beyond belief with his deficit inflating policies to pump the junk
Howard in his troll role. Who started ZIRP, Howard ? Maybe you should finally read Angelo Codevilla's esaay, "The Ruling Class." It isn't hard to find.
I'm not sure Cook is a Marxist but he is a Gramscian.
He is opposed to Middle Class Morality and what most of us call "Common Sense."
Stop and Frisk was part of the Broken Windows policy that brought New York City out of the morass of the Dinkens years.
It’s a quixotic little vanity project, but he’s paying for it so what the hell. Though I personally preferred it when robber barons spent their money on public libraries and schools of mining. Still, a few jobs will be created, some small business folks will prosper a little, and some homeless people will get a sandwich or a doughnut out of it. And Bloomberg gets to put “presidential candidate” on his resume. So, not the worst thing in the world and certainly less harmful than his attacks on civil rights via the initiative process.
Walking Small "soda man" is not going to beat Trump
"But if you tell me that he's ruining the country, you'd better have a LOT more proof than just your hurt feelz. Because I'm gonna look at my 401k, and at your hurt feelz, and my 401k's a LOT more important to me than your crying because Hillary didn't get elected...."
Only about a third of Americans participate in 401(k) plans or their equivalent, so they don't benefit from a rising stock market. Also, while my own plan balance has continued to grow during Trump's tenure, it also did so throughout the terms of the various presidents who served before him, (as would be expected), but it has done so erratically. There have been multiple times these past three years when the market has dropped sharply and abruptly after Trump has made certain of his bellicose trade pronouncements, and then earnings have had to climb back up. (My plan earnings at the end of 2018 were lower than at the end of 2017, so with the sharp ups and downs during the year, I lost money for the year 2018.)
I wonder how much higher the market might be with someone other than Trump in office?
When Marxists lie, they lie prodigiously and wildly:
Bloomberg's "Stop and Frisk" policy had very little impact on crime in NYC and very few of the citizens harassed by the police in their stop-and-frisk stops were found to be in possession of weapons or illegal drugs.
First, it was Giuliani's policy, and it cleaned up the streets in Manhattan and Brooklyn in an incredibly short time.
As Marxists always are, Cook is on the side of the criminals. Stalin let them all out of prison and recruited them into the KGB (which was then the NKVD, I believe).
Net Worth and Net Assets are two different things. A - L = NW.
"Stop and Frisk was part of the Broken Windows policy that brought New York City out of the morass of the Dinkens years."
Statistically, there is little evidence Stop and Frisk had any affect on reducing crime in NYC...which began declining in NYC during Dinkin's term. (Not that I argue Dinkins was a great mayor.)
"@Cookie, you are a Marxist stooge, whether you personally accept the label or not."
And you're a giant invisible bunny rabbit (pooka) named "Harvey," whether you personally accept the label or not.
Wow! This is fun!
You bet Trump is an existential threat to the country. We've had three years of that monster and America is spiraling downward fast. Obvious examples are.... uhhh.... and....then there is....well we all know... ORANGE MAN BAD!
(My plan earnings at the end of 2018 were lower than at the end of 2017, so with the sharp ups and downs during the year, I lost money for the year 2018.)
All those Green Energy stocks and other left approved stocks had a bad year.
" Nothing more needs be said."
Wise words,Cookie. You should heed them more often.
Only about a third of Americans participate in 401(k) plans or their equivalent, so they don't benefit from a rising stock market.
Of course they do. A rising stock market means more capital which can be invested in enterprises that generate additional jobs.
"Business leaders increasingly say their No. 1 challenge is finding enough people to fill job openings. McLane Co. is a large trucking and warehouse firm that specializes in moving food and grocery items around the country. They are advertising truck driving jobs for $70,000 a year and a $6,000 sign on bonus in Jessup, Pa., but even at that level of pay it’s been tough to get enough people in the door."
https://www.washingtonpost.com/business/2019/05/03/us-economy-added-jobs-april-unemployment-fell-percent-lowest-since/
Anyway, my 401k plan is earning around 20% this year.
While I often disagree with Cookie and consider him a hopeless idealist, I like him and respect his opinions. Please, don't be mean to him. :-)
I concur with what mockturtle said about Cookie.
"I wonder how much higher the market might be with someone other than Trump in office?"
I figured we'd continue the Great Stagnation with Hillary. Because she'd continue the business-hating policies of Obama, likely made it worse.
And anyone but Trump would have lost gracefully to the First Woman President, lol.
"I figured we'd continue the Great Stagnation with Hillary. Because she'd continue the business-hating policies of Obama, likely made it worse."
What "business-hating" policies were those?
Chicken Little is running!
Only about a third of Americans participate in 401(k) plans or their equivalent, so they don't benefit from a rising stock market.
A third of all Americans is 110 million voters. Yeah, go ahead and give them all a one-finger salute.
Many of the people who do not have 401(m) plans have pension plans, and the pension funds in turn are invested in the stock market. Without a riding stock market there would be no hope of meeting their pension obligations and the workers would never receive a dime of their pensions.
What "business-hating" policies were those?
The Socialist policies that Trump is reversing. Don't worry. Your dishwashing job is safe.
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Trump's Net Worth, $3BN? (Per Forbes) $9BN? (Per FEC)
It depends on who is assigning value to the assets. And when. Especially since a lot of Trump's assets are real estate.
Of course. Lots and lots of variables in what real estate. The only true test is what it sells for and that is not even perfect.
Want to argue that a certain building is only worth $45mm when Trump claimed it was worth $50? Sure, no problem with that. Or, we might argue that it was worth $60mm when Trump claimed it was worth $50. Again, I have no problem with that.
Want to go through the 90 page financial disclosure and do that for all the properties? So you may decide that YOU THINK the properties are only worth $8.5bn. Again, I am OK with that.
What I have no seen is any analysis at all of he disclosure and the $9bn (or so) that it claimed in 2015.
I keep seeing that Forbes, in 2015 before he did the disclosure, said he was only worth $3bn. I think that is what Ann is repeating here.
I understand that his properties have lost some value because of all the craziness about his winning the presidency. Though, with the great economy they have probably gained some of that back. If someone said he had lost $2bn, well, sounds a bit much but possible.
Does anyone really think that he has lost 2/3 of the value? $9bn > $3bn?
Ann?
You are the one who put the $3bn out there in this posting. Do you really think he lied or perjured himself on his FEC filing?
You are not posting "fake news" on purpose, are you?
John Henry
"What "business-hating" policies were those?"
The ones everyone on the left complained that Trump rolled back, and they insisted it'd cause the economy to crash.
(Looks at economy.) Could be they were full of shit.
(Shrug)
There are some people who are so stupid that they think that PDJT's income taxes will somehow "PROVE!!" that he is not worth $9bn (or so)
Some of those people post here in the comments.
They can't seem to figure out that they are taxes paid on income. They would show trump's income and how much he made. They have nothing whatever to say about
If they could get Jeff Bezo's income taxes, these same people would probably claim he is not really worth $120bn (or so) but is only as wealthy as the average Madison WI schoolteacher. (He makes $89,000/yr)
John Henry
"Only about a third of Americans participate in 401(k) plans or their equivalent"
OK, not to pile on, and God knows I love young Bob, but this may be the dumbest attempt at dismissal that I've ever read.
One-third of Americans, especially since these are presumably working, tax-paying Americans because they have 401(k)s, can see off any politicians who are foolish enough to piss them off and give them a reason to unite in purpose.
'What "business-hating" policies were those?'
Howzabout this? https://outline.com/VCHvrX
I have a 403B, which is, essentially, a 401K for people who work at non-profits.
Since election day, 2016, the value of my 403B has increased by 61%. That means I can retire at 60 instead of 62. That is highly significant.
It takes a billionaire to beat a billionaire!
"Mr. Bloomberg, what is your stance on keeping money out of politics?"
"'What "business-hating" policies were those?'
Howzabout this? https://outline.com/VCHvrX"
I didn't see anything "business-hating" at the link. Can you clarify?
"Only about a third of Americans participate in 401(k) plans or their equivalent"
wow!Only one third.
Hmmmm,about double the percentage of African Americans. So their votes must be really irrelevant, right?
How about those that benefit from those fat 401(k)s? You know the young adults NOT having to take out college loans 'cause Dad is feeling flush. Or those selling cars, or boats, or houses. Or businesses that expand because they are doing well, reflecting the market. Yeah, let's ignore them.
But we can assume your third is all that benefit.
OK, drop off the kids below employment age. Many of those employed but so early in their careers they feel unable to contribute. Drop off some more who are retired and have chosen a different source of income. Does a spouse not working outside the house count?
That "third" (even without my caveats) sure sounds like a large swath of voters. Probably a larger swath of likely voters.
Deplorable bastards.
"reckless and unethical actions" . . . such as, Nanny-State mIKE?
Major misstep. If you are a billionaire running for president,try not to sound too much like you have a stick up your ... er ... try not to sound like Tom Steyer.
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