"When he took too long to return, his 9 year old sister left the remaining five to try again. Devin arrived in LaMora at 5:30 pm, 6 hours after the ambush, giving the first news anyone had heard of his and Christina's families. Devin's uncles armed themselves with guns and returned to try and find the hidden children, knowing many of them were injured. They didn't get far before realizing they would be risking death, since there had been continual shooting for hours, all over the mountains near LaMora. The group of men waited a while for reinforcements, and around 7:30, found the hidden children.... Mckenzie, the 9 year old who'd gone for help, was missing. Soldiers who'd by then arrived, and the men of LaMora and nearby towns searched for two hours in the dark until they found her around 9:30.... We lost 9 today. Right now we are waiting, for the morning, for answers, for justice."
From a Facebook post by Kendra Lee Miller, a relative of Devin Blake Langford's, linked at "Teen hid 6 siblings, walked 6 hours for help after his mom and 8 others were killed in Mexico attack" (Fox6 News).
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६८ टिप्पण्या:
they found her around 9:30.
Thanks for that.
The parents are still idiots for endangering their kids.
The reporting on this story that I've been exposed to is abysmal. Lots of info about what happened and when, but no reporting as to why they were there and why they were attacked. All kinds of focus on the victims religion, but no explanation of how and why that is relevant to the incident.
Based on what we know, outrage is justified as this seems like an evil and random act.
Truly a sad story.
And today's leftists have only one problem with it: that it occurred in Mexico instead of, say, outside Dayton Ohio. Because the left is demanding unlimited, unvetted, illegal immigration that most definitely includes the cartels like this.
This kid is brave. I suspect he will be killed shortly, alas.
But but the media and progressives are telling us these women and children either deserved or kinda deserved getting slaughtered. They belong to a religious group with a long history of violence" LA Times or they are members of an ickey religious group.
Progressives are horrible people.
A true hero who secreted his family before venturing on to obtain justice and assistance alone. POTUS Trump is correct. We need to send in American troops to deal with the Mexican Army to eliminate the drug cartels. This is another war on our southern borders. We know who they are, where their money is, and who their bosses are. Target the haciendas destroying the infrastructure. Mexican politicians can help or get out of the say one way or another. Time to take back the frontera from drug running cartels and their bosses that supply drugs to our nation's drug addicts and sellers. No mercy shown or expected.
Enough....
As far as I can tell lots of theories but no one knows why this happened yet, but I assume arrests will be made and then we'll learn.
stevew is correct, as is Vance.
I wonder if this incident affected the Tucson vote of sanctuary city? It's not that far from us.
send in the Utah National Guard, Mittens can lead them..
Until about 1920 this attack would have been seen as legitimate cause for a US invasion of northern Mexico. It may yet be again.
I can't believe something bad happened to people living in an area controlled by a drug cartel.
How shocking. *eyeroll emoji*
Courageous kids.
Are these people polygamists? All the stories I've read seem to dance around that.
Time for some good old fashioned carpet bombing!
Are these people polygamists?
Does it matter? While their lifestyle may not be politically congruent ("="), it may, and does, work for some men and women. That said, they should have separated Chamber, Church, Mosque, Synagogue, Temple, etc. and State, and offer civil unions to all consenting adults. Instead, they doubled-down and progressed its establishment on unprincipled ground.
Anyway, it's not just Americans that are at risk, but it is our fellow countrymen, women, and children that focus our attention. Mexicans are our next door neighbors.
send in the Utah National Guard, Mittens can lead them.
Because they are Americans or Mormon-Americans, Utah-Americans?
"but I assume arrests will be made and then we'll learn."
You are probably going to be proven wrong here. The Mexican government increasingly won't arrest anyone who belongs to a cartel.
ga6 said...
send in the Utah National Guard, Mittens can lead them.
Fuck that! Send in the 1st Marine Division!
Are these people polygamists?
Does it matter? While their lifestyle may not be politically congruent
Please ask the question of Muslims. In England extra wives are all on the Dole. One mullah got an extra car for the wife. All on the Dole. Why do you think the Syrians are all trying to get into England ?
Freeman Hunt said...
Courageous kids.
Are these people polygamists?Are these people polygamists?
likely yes, but irrelevant
"assume arrests will be made"
You don't Mexico, do you?
n.n said... send in the Utah National Guard, Mittens can lead them.
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if Mittens is REAL AMERICAN he will volunteer and offer to stay behind and watch
These polygamists broke away from the LDS group because they still wanted to practice polygamy. Although every group has a different style, they tend to share some features. Marriage between younger girls and older men. The girls are not given a choice of who they will marry. Poverty for most people, but the leaders controlling the money. Young boys are used for child labor, and when they get to be adults are driven out so they are not marriage competition. Cousins marrying each other leading to birth defects. Polygamy as practiced by these groups is bad for children. I think all efforts should be made to stop polygamy.
The LeBaron kids are at least being raised with the world-view and the skills that may allow them to survive in a open borders, tribal polygamous society. How many teenagers north of the so-called border are ready for the what follows next Democrat presidency?
These folks have no association with the LDS church... they are a sect that left the established church - and the U.S. - to practice polygamy, although that practice is more the exception than the rule with the current community.
It would be refreshing not to read any "Mormon bashing" - especially after such a heinous, murderous act. Common decency would seem to demand that, but YMMV.
One wonders if and when Mexico will resort to the Phillipine solution and elect someone who will just declare the cartel members to be “outlaws” in the old sense of the word - people that can be killed without legal niceties. That includes the corrupt police and politicians that allowed the drug lords to run wild.
But now you have a nice man as President of Mexico that will end all of this with hugs. As if.
Anyway - the comments about “they deserved it” seems to be the consensus of the “elite” today too.
After reading more of the comments, I think I jumped the gun and my perception was wrong. My apologies.
The whole LeBaron clan in Mexico has a complicated history tied in with polygamy and offshoots of the main LDS church. They've been living there a long time. There is an association with the Romneys, with Mitt's dad being born in Mexico.
There is also a history of conflict with the drug militias. Apparently the drug gangs had tried to intimidate and demand bribes from the Mormon communities. In general, Mormons do not shy away from violence, and in this case they kidnapped some of the cartel people and were left alone, for a while. This informal truce seems to be ending.
In any case polygamy does not warrant sniper fire on women and children.
As a nation we need to decide if we will tolerate a hyperviolent rump narco-state on our southern border. Anyone who thinks such evil stays south of a (very porous) line is crazy. The violence and bribery is already operating in New Mexico, south Texas and southern Arizona.
Hah, I would love, love, love to see the outrageous outrage from the LGBT crowd if Utah and the LDS church actually armed up and took matters into their own hands.
Can you imagine the screaming over the top hysteria from "we are so persecuted!" gays if the LDS church brought back their early military prowess?
Couple this with the recent head-to-head fight between the Mexican military and the drug cartels, which the drug cartels won, and we have to wonder, how much of Mexico is the Mexican government actually in control of?
It is true that this kind of evil has been perpetrated on Mexico's native population for years. Perhaps this shocking incident will open some eyes and hearts. One thing is for certain: Americans who consume these substances (cocaine, heroin, meth, fentanyl, whatever is brought across our border) - whatever their station in life, need some introspection re: their morals, ethics and mental capacity. Do they wish to be associated with rape, kidnapping, torture, murder, decapitations, all in their chase of a high? If so, they will pay a heavy price, here or in the next life.
I didn't used to feel this way... I was a young adult Californian in the late 60s through the mid-70s, or put much stock in this way of thinking, but I sure as fuck do now. Things have changed. This is pure evil.
Apparently the drug gangs had tried to intimidate and demand bribes from the Mormon communities.
I have read that, like Mormons everywhere, the group is well off and a target for robbery and extortion.
George Romney, Mitt's father, was born in Mexico in a Mormon sect. My recollection is that the sect moved to Mexico to practice polygamy. I believe that it was Mitt's grandfather or perhaps great grandfather who moved there.
Does anyone know if there is any connection between Mittens and this sect? Not that Mittens was involved with them. Just curious to know if it is the same or a related sect
to the one the Romney's were in.
I've seen no mention in any of the stories, one way or the other.
John Henry
I don't think people are asking about their religion and whether they are polygamists because they think that makes shooting them okay. People are wondering why a group with dual citizenship would still choose to live where there are cartels. What makes the risk worth it?
The violence and bribery is already operating in New Mexico, south Texas and southern Arizona.
Way beyond that, Gordon. This is the link I posted yesterday: MX Drug Cartels in US--2017 Map
I think all efforts should be made to stop polygamy.
I thought "Love Wins".
John Henry, this group and George Romney aren't connected at all.
I don't actually know if these people are polygamists. Yes, they started out that way, that's why they were in Mexico, but it doesn't appear that it's still that way from the reporting I've seen. The pictures of the family and the kids do not look like Warren Jeffs style fundamentalists. One of the women is wearing a strapless dress, which doesn't fit in with a stereotypical polygamist. I think everyone should probably stop speculating.
Mexican and Central/South American gang violence already exists from Maine to Miami to Seattle to So Cal. Chicago will be Hispanic gang controlled like LA. We have SUR 13 and MVS in addition to MS-13 in our rural north Georgia community. SUR 13 members murdered a young cop here recently. I see the gang signs spray-painted on my street. I saw them ten and twenty years ago in Atlanta and Central Florida. We buried two murdered gang members at our Florida church, and their compatriots marched in formation behind the hearses, pants around their knees, exposed underpants, full-body tatoos, throwing gang signals.
In Atlanta, the Mexican gangs engaged in open warfare after New Orleans Crips were idiotically relocated to Bosnian (yes, Bosnian) and Mexican gang areas by the feds after Katrina. I worked on an ethnic gang project in Atlanta 1992. The task force had been going since the late 80's.
I cannot understand how people can walk around pretending this isn't happening.
How do so many delude themselves so thoroughly for so long about so much?
As a nation we need to decide if we will tolerate a hyperviolent rump narco-state on our southern border. Anyone who thinks such evil stays south of a (very porous) line is crazy. The violence and bribery is already operating in New Mexico, south Texas and southern Arizona.
Chicago, too.
By all means, open borders. And disarm Americans.
This is not a suicide pact.
readering: "As far as I can tell lots of theories but no one knows why this happened yet, but I assume arrests will be made and then we'll learn."
LOLOLOLOLOL
Stupid on steroids.
Yeah, the government will be able to arrest Cartel members in a completely Cartel controlled region where the Cartel militarily defeated the government forces so badly the Government literally surrendered to the Cartel there.
What other nuggets of moronic lefty logic would you like to share at this time?
Apparently, readering is under the impression that military wars between Drug Cartel's and governments where the Cartels behave precisely as ISIS does can be handled in a Law and Order way and basically be wrapped up in about 42 minutes of air time with truth and justice emerging at the end.
I think all efforts should be made to stop polygamy.
All efforts? Like gunning them down?
CBS morning news emphatically pointed out that the perps used assault weapons. It was adorable.
If we had a half-way decent elite press, they'd be writing articles about the current Mexican Government and why they can't - or won't - control the drug cartels. Instead we get articles about how those Americans who got killed were "kinda weird Mormons, y'know - I mean, who knows what they were mixed up with?"
Gun control anyone?
Infinite Monkeys said...
"I don't think people are asking about their religion and whether they are polygamists because they think that makes shooting them okay. People are wondering why a group with dual citizenship would still choose to live where there are cartels. What makes the risk worth it?"
This is what Birthright Citizenship brings about. There are advantages to having US citizenship, even if you do not live in the country. And all it takes is some paperwork to have your progeny declared a citizen if they are born (and raised) abroad.
My father is from Arizona, but I was born and raised in Canada. When I was 17, he took me, my sister, and my mother to the US Consulate in Calgary, and we were sworn in. My younger sister and I sailed through. It took a little more time for my mom (whose mother was an American citizen as well, but moved to Canada). I've lived more of my life in the US, but I'll cop to some divided loyalties. I can understand why any country would want to eliminate dual-citizenship.
In the interviews on tv, those interviewed come across as obviously decent, and some of the members under fire behaved with remarkable courage. They're good people......Here's how the issue will be resolved: Most will move back to the states. Survival takes precedence over other concerns especially when your kids lives are at stake......They are victims but Mormons don't qualify for martyr status. It's not ethnic cleansing if it involves Palestinian Christians, white farmers in SA, Volga Germans, or Chinese Muslims.....I suppose the cartels will take over the avocado farms and do a whiz bang job at raising avocados so it's all good.
It happens out in Vegas and it happens in Moline, on the blue blood streets of Boston, out in Berkeley, down in Queens
Large cities suppress the incidents so the travelers won't know. Tucker Carlson did 2 shows.
http://www.legallyarmedindetroit.com/
For those asking:
Before the “mainstream” Mormon church finally gave up polygamy, there was some ambiguity from church leadership as to whether polygamy could/should be practiced by Mormons living outside the US; and a couple dozen polygamous Mormon “colonies” were established in both Mexico and Canada. By the early 1900s the church had unequivocally condemned polygamy. When Pancho Villa began his raids, the Mormons in northern Mexico were instructed by church leadership to either fall back into one of two largest colonies (Colonia Juarez or Colonia Dublán—George Romney was born in Dublán), or else return to Utah.
Around the 1930s-50s various Mormon splinter groups began trying to resurrect the practice of polygamy. The church excommunicated them and often cooperated with federal authorities in their prosecution. Many of those new polygamists left the US and set up new colonies in Mexico and/or Canada; and their offspring are still there today as dual US/Mexican citizens. Often they maintain extended family connections back in Utah or Arizona. That includes the La Mora colony, where these victims lived.
Generally speaking, these “new” colonies have had no communion with the church leadership in Salt Lake for nearly three generations now; whereas Mormons in Juarez and Dublán (including the Romneys) are still considered to be in full fellowship with the church.
It's way past time for clearing operations in northern Mexico and some Arclight missions to neutralize any science's that could be used by cartels. Repopulate the border. A 30 mile wide free fire zone with drones feeding targets to A-19s.
From the zoological definition, polygamy is perfectly legal in the US. If you want 5 "wives" living with you, and you find five women to agree to it, then you can do it since it isn't illegal to live with 5 women and have children with all five- the relationships just won't be legally defined as marriages with respect to the law.
The ever idiotic readering wrote:
"Gun control anyone?"
Mexico has strict gun control laws- far stricter than the US. I suppose the Mexicans could just ban guns- that would clearly work.
I read that these folks were Pecan Farmers which is a big deal in Mexico. From Google: Mexico is the second largest world producer of pecans. ... The main pecan varieties grown are Western and Wichita, which account for 80 percent of new variety production. A majority of Mexico's pecan production occurs in the states of Chihuahua, Coahuila, Sonora, Durango and Nuevo Leon.
Don't worry, sanctuary cities.
These won't be the kind of "immigrants" to take advantage of your stupidity.
What the LATimes tweeted: “ U.S. victims in Mexico massacre were tied to family with a long history of violence”
Yup, those Mormon infants and toddlers were really frightening to cartel members.
Gun control anyone?
Readering, this is what you got. The people mowed down by the cartels HAD no weapons. Because Mexican gun laws are more stringent than American gun laws. So as predicted, only the outlaws had guns.
You got your wish. This is the ultimate result.
Mexico has lost the ability to enforce its laws. At some point the U.S. is going to be forced to intervene again and restore order, even though it will make them hate us even more. It would be nice if there was a responsible leader who would be willing to ask us for help. If we go in, we should be brutal, taking out as many cartel members as we can, as quickly as we can.
readering: "Gun control anyone?"
LOLOLOLOL
Stupidity on Double Steroids!!
readering, did you miss the part where the Cartels took complete control of Northern Mexico and defeated the Mexican Army in the field?
Did you miss that part?
Is it too much like the Hitler-Stalin pact which you also missed?
Who is going to exert control over the cartels guns readering?
We all know it wasn't obambi and Eric Holder. After all, those guys GAVE weapons to the cartels which the cartel used to kill Americans including American agents.
From a lefty point of view though that's just good times, good times.
"I don't think people are asking about their religion and whether they are polygamists because they think that makes shooting them okay. People are wondering why a group with dual citizenship would still choose to live where there are cartels. What makes the risk worth it?"
Exactly. Given the tremendous number of people who leave Mexico to get away from cartels, it seemed natural to wonder why people would move the other way.
Gun control anyone
Is Readering being retarded on purpose?
Because this is some goddamned weapons-grade stupidity even for libtards, and that's saying something.
No pun intended.
Next of Kin (1989)
https://m.imdb.com/title/tt0097967/?ref_=m_tt_urv
Feud between Hillbillies clan vs Chicago mob.
Doesn't the Mormon patriarch need to do something to stay topdog?
Wait wait I know this one. AA thinks the kids were fools for not just sitting still and waiting to be found. Right? That's what she says on every other Wilderness rescue story. Once I publish this I'll go up and look at the comments.
Mexican cartels get their guns here.
readering said...
"Mexican cartels get their guns here."
Yes. Thanks to Eric Holder. They also get them from the Mexican government.
Do you have a point?
Gun control anyone?
Are you on a mission to win Biggest Idiot of Year for another decade uncontested?
Apparently, readering is under the impression that military wars between Drug Cartel's and governments where the Cartels behave precisely as ISIS does can be handled in a Law and Order way and basically be wrapped up in about 42 minutes of air time with truth and justice emerging at the end.
The best part is, if no arrests occur, and of course no convictions, then no crime occurred! At least that's how it seems to work in Washington.
Readering, they don't get assault weapons here because we don't sell them. Most likely vector is they are corruptly obtained from the Mexican military.
So sad. Get out of Mexico. NOW. The cheap living is not that cheap.
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