९ नोव्हेंबर, २०१९

"Doing something once may engender an inflated sense that one has now seen 'it,' leaving people naïve to the missed nuances remaining to enjoy."

Said Ed O’Brien, professor of behavioral science at the University of Chicago Booth School of Business, quoted in "The Unexpected Joy of Repeat Experiences/Novelty is overrated" by Leah Fessler (NYT).

I was interested to see this because just a few days ago — inspired by something I read about repetition as mesmerismI wrote:
I love repetition. Sometimes I puzzle over why I'm so happy to live another day composed of the same elements, so I'm interested in the suggestion that repetition itself is mesmerizing. I've had some success introducing new elements — notably breaking up the morning writing with a venture outdoors at sunrise.
O'Brien did a study that tested the conventional belief that we experience a diminishment of pleasure when we repeat the same thing. Actually, it's not really the same thing, because of what you miss the first time around:
[I]t’s safe to assume there are more explorable layers in any experience, according to Ellen Langer, a professor of psychology at Harvard and the so-called “Mother of Mindfulness.” That’s because the process of looking for new insights in any repeat experience is fulfilling in and of itself. It’s the essence of mindfulness.

“When you’re noticing new things in any experience, neurons are firing, and that’s the way to become engaged,” Ms. Langer said. “Many people look to be engaged, because they’re bored with life and they don’t know what to do. All you need to do is approach whatever task is at hand by searching for the things that you didn’t see in the first time around.”...

“First, recognize that everything is always changing, so the second experience is never exactly the same as the first experience,” she said. “Second, if you’re looking for novelty, that’s itself engaging, and that engagement feels good.” And third, you must realize that events are neither positive nor negative. “It’s the way we understand events that makes them positive or negative,” she said. “So that if we look for ways the experience is rewarding, exciting, interesting, we’re going to find evidence for that. Seek and ye shall find.”
"It’s the way we understand events that makes them positive or negative" — well, that certainly reminds me of something I was just blogging. It's like that "Hamlet" line — "There is nothing either good or bad, but thinking makes it so" — discussed on the blog 2 days ago.

I'm delighted to have this repetition of the subject of repetition.

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Jaq म्हणाले...

There are songs I play on the piano that I have been playing for decades, but I am always finding new stuff in them. As I master more techniques of improvisation, or explore little nuances of the key and any accidentals, I change the way I play them and I think I am too ADHD to play a song exactly the same way twice. Sometimes they fall flat and sometimes I think “I wish I could remember what I just did!” It’s a kind of meditation. I wish I had the discipline to do *exactly* the same thing over and over to really master stuff, though. I think that’s why musicians often smoke a lot of pot, to make that time go by.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

Cognitive engagement vs mimicking?

Children learn by repeating what they choose to do in Montessori.

Wax on wax off in Karate Kid

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Say that again.

Lurker21 म्हणाले...

There's repetition - the same thing over and over again - and there's return - going away for a while and then returning and repeating.

Professors used to tell me that there was something great about reading the same books every year. I didn't entirely believe them. I had enough trouble doing the reading once. To repeat the experience every year seemed hellish to me. But to come back to a book or a place or an activity after some time away does have its charm.

The professors, though, were trying to say that every reading was a little different, that one noticed new things every time, so the repetition wasn't really a true repetition of the same. True repetition of the same may be comforting to some people, but infuriating or mind-numbing to others.

TML म्हणाले...

Horrible sentence. Should be (if I've even understood it):

"Doing something once may engender a sense that one has now seen 'it,' leaving people mistakenly believing they've experienced everything, and leaving unaware of the missed nuances remaining to enjoy."


Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

And third, you must realize that events are neither positive nor negative. “It’s the way we understand events that makes them positive or negative,”

Obviously written by a woman. Every guy has been hit in the balls at least once, and therefore knows better.

daskol म्हणाले...

Delighted, maybe. Mesmerized.

rcocean म्हणाले...

Repetition may or may not be enjoyable. It depends on what's being repeated. Getting beaten at 9 AM every day - not enjoyable. having a great bacon/egg breakfast enjoyable. Also, funny how most people enjoy "repetition" in their breakfast but dislike it in their dinner.

chickelit म्हणाले...

Repetitio est mater studiorum

or

Repetitio mater studiorum est

Which is better?

Bob Smith म्हणाले...

OK, I’ll volunteer. I’ll go back and re-explore Paris. It’s a tough job but I think I’m up to it.

gilbar म्हणाले...

here's gilbar's corollary:

The stupidest person in the world; is someone that has read ONE BOOK on a subject
'cause they think they know it; 'cause, they read the book.

The more books you read on a subject (that is; the more you learn);
the more you realize you don't' know.

I used to think i understood the Battle of Shiloh; Now i'm pretty sure i Don't
{i've only been down there twice.... So far}

Ambrose म्हणाले...

Who talks like this? Engender? And then he starts with the proper subject "one" but finishes with the plural "people"

Jon Burack म्हणाले...

Makes me think of the film "Smoke" where tobacco shop owner Auggie (Harvey Keitel) takes a photograph of his corner of the city at the exact same time every morning. At one point, his friend the writer Paul (William Hurt) looks through several pages of Auggie's photos and says, "they're all the same." But Auggie says, "yes, all the same -- but all different too." Permanence and impermanence. One of my favorite films.

Ann Althouse म्हणाले...

@jon

I’m going to put that on my watchlist.

Jaq म्हणाले...

I think that Robert Heinlein said that there are some things a man only does once in is life, like getting his dick caught in his zipper.

Josephbleau म्हणाले...

“When they go in they all look the same, but when they come out they all look...different.” Alan Shepherd, The Right Stuff.

Mary म्हणाले...

I was just going to recommend the movie "Smoke" too, this post, and your recent morning sunrise photos remind me so much of Auggie taking a photo of the smoke shop every day, and I see Jon posted it! Its really a great movie

gilbar म्हणाले...

Lurker21 said...
Professors used to tell me that there was something great about reading the same books every year


I like re reading my margin notes, and underlinings; and think about what i was thinking when i wrote that. For about 4 years*, every time i'd read the Lord of the Rings; i'd underline passages that supported my theory that Chris Tolkien's map has Cirith Ungol in the wrong place. Many of the underlinings make No sense if you don't know that's what i was after.

about 4 years* when i read it in 2007, i was able to conclusively write, in the margin:
The Map is WRONG

Assistant Village Idiot म्हणाले...

CS Lewis maintained that the measure of a book was in its rereadings

Maillard Reactionary म्हणाले...

gilbar: You haven't been there until you've met the ghosts.

One of my hopes is to visit, each for a good while, several of these battlegrounds. If I feel that I am welcomed, I may try to photograph there. I try not to intrude, it is not my style.

Somehow, bare feet seem appropriate in such places.

Many good comments in this thread:

Ignorance Is Bliss: As a man, and a Stoic, I have to admit that experience triumphs over philosophy every time.

Ambrose: Just because he's a college professor, doesn't mean he can speak English. Or has to, evidently.

Birkel म्हणाले...

Like most people I was required to read many books in school. I reread a number of them as an adult. My base of knowledge was wide enough to appreciate so many more things than when I was as a kid. The readings deepened. The double entendres worked. The human interplay was more interesting.

But my tolerance for rereading and rewatching is limited. At some point repetition offers less benefit than new things. There are always diminishing marginal returns.

Maillard Reactionary म्हणाले...

Every performer reveals something different to me about the Goldberg Variations. So does time. (I have 4 or 5 recordings of them, maybe more counting vinyl.) I have known the piece for 50 years.

It is interesting how much information is encoded in such scores. Mysterious, really.

And music is a subset of reality.

Susan म्हणाले...

My favorite repetition is the seasons of the year. You always know what to expect but, even so, it's different every year.

One's favorite season comes along like an old friend you hope will stay. And is replaced by the annoying relative of a disliked season that can't leave too soon.

wildswan म्हणाले...

The Future of the Past.

D 2 म्हणाले...

I remember watching Smoke in my little hovel, curled up with the other, we had an old vcr, and a local rental shop that offered 6 movies for a week at some ridiculous price up the street. We watched old and new, grilled cheese and salad for dinner. 97? 98? It was before the world went insane.

I seem to recall the key scene with Keitel and Hurt played in my mind for a few days after, walking over to work. Sort of goes with the theme of the post. I tend to think that things either erode away on you, or they accrete, and maybe the people who prefer the simple repetition of rituals are building what they can, and letting go of all the rest.

Somebody might mention why do people drop into Althouse, to read comments about X that sound vaguely similar to that they read the day before. Me, I'm just hoping one of these days to hear that rhhardin got through a whole damned movie. What's life without a little hope.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

Scott Adams said he wasn't a music listener because he didn't like to be hypnotized.

Lem Vibe Bandit म्हणाले...

I forgot we are moderated now.

Nichevo म्हणाले...

Ann Althouse said...
@jon

I’m going to put that on my watchlist.

11/9/19, 8:25 PM


Then don't miss Blue in the Face, made by the same crew, conceived *during* the filming of Smoke.

Ken B म्हणाले...

Most of us listen to the same music many times. I re read a lot, and rewatch favorite movies. I'd prefer to go back to Rome than first time to Paris.

jimbino म्हणाले...

I remember revisiting Munich 10 years after a 5-year sojourn. When I looked up the 5 or so places I had lived in, I was surprised to find that nothing had changed: the same apartments and landlords were still there.

How surprised I was to return afterward to Austin, TX, where I barely recognized the place on account of the changes made during the month I'd been gone!

Ray - SoCal म्हणाले...

I recently saw two different productions of MacBeth and it was very enjoyable to contrast them. Similar, yet with delightful differences.

Amexpat म्हणाले...

I get mesmerized by moving water, be it breaking waves or ripples in a stream. In a general sense, I'm looking at the same thing again and again. But there are nuances in the way water moves. You can never see the same river twice.

Nancy म्हणाले...

Phidippus, reality is a subset of music. Schumann: language isn't precise enough to explain music. Be rlioz: music can give us some idea of love, but love can give us no idea of music.

jimb म्हणाले...

A biology teacher popular with my fellow high school students designed surprising exercises demonstrating his slogan "you only see what you know". It's both true and wonderful.

samanthasmom म्हणाले...

To have things to repeat you have to do some things for the first time. How do you know a book will be something you want to read over and over if you're so busy reading things you've already read you never get to it? What if you spend so much time visiting the same place you never get to see the place that might become "your favorite place"? While I don't think re-reading a book every year is always a waste of time, it had better be worth that many hours of your lifetime. I've never found one book that should command that much attention when there are so many worth reading.

Jamie म्हणाले...

Samanthasmom, agreed! The rub is that you have to take the risk that you might perceive some of the places you visit not only as "your favorite place" but possibly as "a real sh*thole." That said, I am an avid rereader and music relistener, and, like Susan above, I take special pleasure in the turning of the seasons. So I guess I'd recommend moderation in this area.

My kids seem to be growing up this way: willing and sometimes eager to have new experiences, but with certain things that become "canon" for them through repitition. As we get closer to the winter holidays, it makes me really happy, since I've tried to create some family traditions that combine my and my husband's traditions. It looks as if maybe they took, for now.

daskol म्हणाले...

Smoke, along with any Paul Auster novel from that era (say late 80s-90s), is a study in the mesmerizing effect of repetition with and without slight variation. From his NY Trilogy, to Music of Chance to Leviathan to his brief film period, including his nonfiction essays, explore it. This was also a time when "drone pop" was on the rise, from early harder stuff like My Bloody Valentine to the later period, more cheerful Stereolab, what they all have in common is the mesmerizing effect of their droning and repetitious sound.

daskol म्हणाले...

I forgot to mention Moon Palace, my favorite Auster novel, which is also a mesmerizing meditation on repetition.

JAORE म्हणाले...

We have fallen in with traveling folk in our retirement. The first international trip started in Prague. So far that is Judy's favorite city. But, oh what we would have missed if we'd only traveled there.

Bobb म्हणाले...

The NYT should stop using words like racism, tolerance, evidence and the like, since it is clear the NYT, it's writers and readers do not understand these words.

stlcdr म्हणाले...

Repeating the same thing: it’s not that the ‘thing’ has changed, but you have changed.

Anthony म्हणाले...

True dat. There are a lot of old literature works that I've read again and again, partly just to savor the text and the language and the writing, etc., and continue to find new things in it. I imagine much of that has to do with how one perceives things differently as one ages.

I don't know how many times I read The Raven, always finding a new little tidbit that never struck me before. I was, in a way, joyful, for a long time after I first learned that it wasn't really about a bird after all. I may have missed that because I had never experienced. . . .well, true love and loss before. But my whole feeling about the poem changed after that.

Maillard Reactionary म्हणाले...

Nancy: That's an interesting point of view. I'll think about it.

What strikes me is how many people are utterly indifferent to music's ability to converse with us, or let us into the mind of the composer, using a language that can be completely nonverbal and not dependent on shared cultural understanding, and sometimes produce profound emotional experiences. Yet, these same people undoubtably have inner lives that are as complex and full of pathos as anyone's, and they would claim that their experience of life is fully "real".

Certainly most other living things are indifferent to human music, with some possible exceptions.(I knew a man once who had an English Setter who would sing along whenever his master played a Roy Buchanan record. And who says that Roy Buchanan was a "musician's musician"? Max had good taste in guitarists.)

Separately, I agree with Susan's and Amexpat's comments regarding repetition in nature, which one could say may be more like "rhyming".

Regarding jimb's biology teacher's slogan, also very true! If you know a little about the physiology of the human visual system, one is forced to realize that the detailed, colorful, 3-dimensional visual world we see is largely created in the brain's postprocessing from memory, heuristics, and a certain amount of guesswork. This is part of why photographs of familiar things often appear strangely "different" in a way that is hard to explain. It is because the eye/brain system is not a camera. A big part of creative photography is being aware of this difference and using it to make expressive images that are not about conveying information to the viewer about the subject.

Unknown म्हणाले...

In 'Following the Equator' Mark Twain writes about visiting the Taj Mahal and how he was always somewhat disappointed whenever he visited famous world wonders because his imagination had so long to build them up. Reality couldn't match imagination.
His remedy was to go and see and contemplate the place/thing several days in a row. He tells how he studied Niagara Falls for a week before he really appreciated it.