२५ ऑगस्ट, २०१९

"My first experience taking the Myers-Briggs Type Indicator (M.B.T.I.) was at a job where it was mandatory."

"The company’s chief executive announced that all employees would take the test as part of a quarterly staff retreat. The assessment concluded that I was an I.N.T.J. (Introversion, Intuition, Thinking, Judgment.) At the retreat, we were all encouraged to share our results with one another as we participated in various team-building activities. I reluctantly revealed mine, as I wondered how this detailed profile of my personality traits and communication style would translate to my colleagues. Not only was I the sole black woman in the organization, a demographic notoriously misunderstood in the workplace, I now had the additional strike of being outed as an introvert, in the company of extroverts. Introverts have long been marginalized in professional environments. In American office culture, where break room small talk, brainstorming meetings and open office layouts are all commonplace, there seems to be little tolerance for the solitary nature of the typical introvert....  Before the Myers-Briggs team-building event, a few minor office conflicts had revealed that my reserved and independent work style didn’t mesh well with my manager’s, who preferred frequent updates and over-communication about projects. As the months passed, it became clear that I wouldn’t progress in a way that fit my career goals — or personality. Whether it was a self-fulfilling prophecy or a true ripple effect of the M.B.T.I., I left the job shortly after."

From "To Promote Inclusivity, Stay Away from Personality Assessments/Do personality tests like the Myers-Briggs help managers learn their team’s working styles, or just encourage them to hire and promote people like them?" (NYT).

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The Wasp म्हणाले...

The test is bs, but if a boss wants constant updates, it's what you've got to do.

tcrosse म्हणाले...

It doesn't take a genius to make the test result come out however you want it. It suited my career to be INTP, so that's how I answered. More scientifically, I was also a Scorpio.

rehajm म्हणाले...

CEOs generally are chosen not for their skills but because of the contending talent they are the least hostile to existing management. In entry level positions many firms brag about their processes what discern the top one percent of the one percent of candidates. What they really do is sort the resumes by GPA, toss out the ones without relevant work experience, then invite the remainder to the office and let the staff take them to lunch. The ones the staff liked get offers.

When a candidate doesn’t work out, everyone blames the candidate.

AMDG म्हणाले...

At last I am. victim.

Michael K म्हणाले...

At last I am. victim.

Bingo! Problem solved.

Bay Area Guy म्हणाले...

I'm surprised the Racist NYT didn't work the charge of Racism into the article, since, obviously, all tests in the workplace are designed to deploy subtle acts of Racism.

Andrew म्हणाले...

Cry me a river, lady.

Not only was she black, but she was an introvert! OMG!

I've been an introvert my whole life. Nothing but suffering and torment, but where's my government help?

RoseAnne म्हणाले...

In my experience the test is taken with great fanfare and considerable expense and then quickly forgotten by all who participated. The only time it is mentioned again is in quarterly and year-end reports when upper management makes the assumption the results actually impacted on anything.

Carol म्हणाले...

I'm surprised the Racist NYT didn't work the charge of Racism into the article,

That's implied, of course, because PoC.

rhhardin म्हणाले...

I had a guy personality.

Darrell म्हणाले...

Point of personal privilege!

I have none.

Mark म्हणाले...

If you are an introvert, it is not so much that you need to learn to be an extrovert, but that you need to act as if you were an extrovert.

It requires a little bit of effort, but it can be done. It's just a little bit of theater on your part.

SGT Ted म्हणाले...

My experience with Myers-Briggs is the people that use their test results to brag about what a special snowflake they are.

Mark म्हणाले...

You need a work/public persona. And a personal/private persona. You need to be two different people.

chuck म्हणाले...

I thought you didn't like women's magazines?

Beasts of England म्हणाले...

’Introverts have long been marginalized in professional environments.’

I hadn’t considered that angle. As a quintessential INTJ, I assumed that I became a consultant because I’m just an asshole...

Jersey Fled म्हणाले...

I worked for a big company that put everyone through a half day of psychological testing before they were hired. Then we had to meet with a psychologist and tested again before we could be promoted above a certain level. We were definitely staffed and managed by the same type of people.

It was kind of weird sometimes.

D 2 म्हणाले...

The forces of INTJ have always been at war against ESFP. And ESTP. And on occasion INSJ.

Fritz म्हणाले...

Mark said...
If you are an introvert, it is not so much that you need to learn to be an extrovert, but that you need to act as if you were an extrovert.

It requires a little bit of effort, but it can be done. It's just a little bit of theater on your part.


In other words, fake it 'til you make it.

henry म्हणाले...

The tests and patterns of the types made it easier to mirror the style of other people. Very helpful sales training.

Mark म्हणाले...

Fritz -

Yep.

Andrew म्हणाले...

No one gives a damn about the introverted white guy. Not only that, but I've got a big nose.

Like the man said in Princess Bride: "Life is pain."

Beasts of England म्हणाले...

’It requires a little bit of effort, but it can be done.’

But why would I fake it for my MBTI inferiors? :)

Francisco D म्हणाले...

Introverts have long been marginalized in professional environments.

I used the MBTI several hundred times in my early business consulting career. It was something clients and the consulting company liked. It has never been validated and never will be validated because it is an intuitive, easily manipulated instrument.

It was only slightly useful as a team building or team assessment discussion point. It is completely useless as a way of evaluating personality. Anyone with average intelligence knows how to make the results look how they want them to.

The vast majority of senior executives are ENTJ or ENTP types. That reflects the culture they work in and how they present themselves. It can vary by industry, position and company culture.

I have been consistently INTP, but only felt marginalized when among gregarious bullshitters, such as very successful executives, salesmen and politicians.

Rory म्हणाले...

I'm a Mary Ann-Jeannie-Jennifer-Janet.

Breezy म्हणाले...

How can we claim we’re a diverse enterprise if we can’t put labels on people? Didn’t she get the memo?

Leslie Graves म्हणाले...

I think the writer has a couple of things mixed up.

If she really is an introvert (and if the Meyers-Briggs test reliably captures that), then whether or not she took the MBTI isn't the problem. Rather, her introversion is the problem if indeed that represented a cultural misfit at her organization. Blaming it on the fact that she took the test, and the scores were shared, doesn't get to the heart of what the problem may have been.

Secondly, the issues that she mentions that she had in her workplace aren't related to the introvert/extravert axis. Lots of bosses, whether they or you are introverted or not, like frequent check-ins. Lots of introverts provide frequent checks-ins. Wanting to just get a project done without your boss looking over your shoulder every day doesn't make you an introvert. It makes you someone who is struggling with a common work reality. Profoundly disliking it when a boss dumps a bunch of work on your desk without explaining it doesn't make you an introvert. You don't hate that because you're an introvert. Hardly anyone likes that. But people find a way to deal with it, without telling their boss that the boss isn't allowed to do that again.

Bill Peschel म्हणाले...

"The test is bs, but if a boss wants constant updates, it's what you've got to do."

Maybe she thought using a tickler was racist.

But yeah, it's a job, not a marriage. If your introversion is so crippling you can't send an email regularly, the problem is not the test, it's you.

Wince म्हणाले...

Carol said...
I'm surprised the Racist NYT didn't work the charge of Racism into the article.

I do wonder if one of these tests could be used as a substantive defense against an allegation unlawful discrimination, or would it be more likely be found pretextual proxy.

Who Are You?: The Legal Implications of Employee Personality Testing

In the present environment, I see this kind of therapeutic discrimination working most against males in both the work and educational settings.

Fernandinande म्हणाले...

We compartmentalized pod people are special in all 16 very different ways.

The vast majority of senior executives are ENTJ or ENTP types.

Chief Executives: brainpower, personality, and height

"We merge data on the traits of more than one million Swedish males, measured at age 18 in a mandatory military enlistment test [no girls allowed! - Ed.], with comprehensive data on their income, education, profession, and service as a CEO of any Swedish company.

We find that the traits of large-company CEOs are at par or higher than those of other high-caliber professions. For example, large-company CEOs have about the same cognitive ability, and about one-half of a standard deviation higher non-cognitive ability and height than medical doctors. Their traits compare even more favorably with those of lawyers."

Hammond X. Gritzkofe म्हणाले...

Headline answers question first, in large fond; asks question next, in smaller font. Am guessing the rest of the article is just ink wasted on anecdotes.

Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...

I took the test out of curiosity later in my life after having several jobs/careers. Mostly in the same or related types of occupations or fields of work.

The results of the test indicated that the perfect fit of jobs would be exactly those that I had held. The areas of interest that the test said I would be best suited for are those that I am really interested in.

/shrug

I can see where you could easily manipulate the test to present yourself as something you are not. SO the whole thing relies on the applicant being honest.

अनामित म्हणाले...

Is any of that stuff (including Myers-Brigg) actually valid? As in, replicated and verified by people who actually understand statistics, not, say, just the sorts of corporation-hired psychologist-consultants who know how to use statistical methods to squeeze some statistically significant correlations out of any large-enough pile of data. (Like, answers to a personality test.) I recall in my earliest working days being subjected to faddish tests of this sort where it was bleeding obvious that they're about as "scientific" as lie-detector tests.

Do you really need a test to know if you're an introvert or an extrovert? If you prefer to work in groups or alone? If you love constant meetings or despise them?

IME there is a high positive correlation betweeen managers and companies addicted to this stuff and how much your boss and your work environment suck. (Don't know how reflective of reality my experience with such employers is, because, fortunately for me, my sample size is small.)

Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...

Also, I am always INTJ on that test.

Take that for what you will :-)

LordSomber म्हणाले...

If I remember correctly, the purpose of the test isn't to find co-workers who are alike, but to find ones that complement each other.

Personally, I'm an introvert but work best with extroverts.

Yin, yang, and all that.

Alan म्हणाले...

William H. Whyte's book "The Organization Man" has a useful appendix on how to cheat on personality tests. Don't know how up-to-date it is, though. And the TA for my section in psychology when I was an undergrad taught us how to cheat on Rorscach tests. (Short version: Don't mention colors, don't see more than one figure, and if all else fails, saying "It just looks like an ink blot" will do.)

Big Mike म्हणाले...

My impression is that INTJ personalities are highly prized. Is this not the case anymore? Someone has to go off and get the work done.

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

INTJs rule. It’s a Jungian typing. And it works, but don’t tell The Professor.

JaimeRoberto म्हणाले...

We introverts aren't marginalized. We marginalize ourselves.

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

NB: eharmony dating site based matches on Myers Briggs, and it conquered the field.

daskol म्हणाले...

The test and it's administrating even the theorizing behind it may be utterly unscientific but still Trump is the most ENTJ person I've ever observed.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

And the TA for my section in psychology when I was an undergrad taught us how to cheat on Rorscach tests.

You can't cheat the Rorschach because the interpretation depends on the mindset and training of the examiner. The test is crap regardless of ridiculous scoring systems (e.g., Exner) that give it a veneer of legitimacy. The veneer doesn't cover its complete lack of both reliability and validity.

I have more faith in the MBTI then the Rorschach. I even have more faith in reading tea leaves.

NotWhoIUsedtoBe म्हणाले...

INTJs are great employees. They do the job, as stated, on time and under budget. They are a rare subtype, and they are always highly intelligent.

INTPs are the ones to watch out for.

I don't buy the story.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

My impression is that INTJ personalities are highly prized.

Are you an engineer, Big Mike?

Michael K म्हणाले...

You can't cheat the Rorschach because the interpretation depends on the mindset and training of the examiner.

I like the story of the guy whose interpretation of each image was sexual and the examiner mentioned it. The guy said,
"It's not my fault. You're the one who keeps showing me dirty pictures !"

daskol म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
gilbar म्हणाले...

Sounds like they're pretty good aptitude tests

1) you need to figure out Where your boss is on the scale
2) you need to figure out What you need to answer to match boss

Checks for observation, intuition, understanding, comprehension...
All things that are useful; All things you're not supposed to be checking for

daskol म्हणाले...

INTJ are not always the easiest to work with on a team: perfectionism and ocd may help get the job done, but INTJ are so subjective and not typically that sensitive to other peoples feelings. We need to learn to give more praise and show patience particularly dealing with INTP, who take forever to get anywhere and don't even realize when they've arrived but are often worth the wait.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

Retired mathematician with an MS in computer science. Longtime designer of successful computer systems, successful project leader, and sometimes hiring manager. On some MBTIs I have taken I was an INTJ with a weak I, on others I was an ENTJ with a weak E. Or I was — these days I am a RETIRED on the Myers Briggs.

Lucien म्हणाले...

Anyone in a clinical psychology program should be given Myers-Briggs at least 16 times, and if they can’t qualify as each of the 16 types they should be held back a year.

daskol म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Temujin म्हणाले...

There is such a thing as an extroverted introvert.

daskol म्हणाले...

I think certain into types.are.particularly prone to self misidentification on the test. It's also very sensitive to mood.

daskol म्हणाले...

The personalityjunkie website is the most insightful into info I've seen besides some really old early web site I can't recall at the moment. I vs E is not same as extraversion in the big 5 sense. It's about what cognitive functions you direct inwards vs outwards. I types in into can be very talkative. Trump is indeed a stable genius in that he's very E but has developed his inferior cognitive functions as evidenced by the time he spends alone padding around the white house in his robe.

daskol म्हणाले...

I think compulsory mbti testing at work is creepy.

Rory म्हणाले...

Everyone who has ever told me that he or she (she, I think always) is an introvert has been an obvious extrovert.

Lucien म्हणाले...

@Leslie Graves:

Taking the Test it was clear that I could’ve scored as ENTJ just by shading two or three answers about what “best” described me. But when someone hears you are INTJ they may well infer that you’re very far from being extroverted. (And thanks for your service on the Manhattan Project.)

Gaius Gracchus म्हणाले...

The official MBTI (lots of unofficial ones on the internet) has statistical verification and correlates with the Big Five. Those that test the same way have similar cognitive processes.

It isn't really a "personality" test, so much as an information processing test. A MBTI introvert does not mean someone is a social introvert. However, people who process information in a certain way do develop some common personality traits.

For example, the majority of women are SFs. The majority of nurses and elementary school teachers are SFs. Therefore, it isn't strange at all that the majority of nurses and elementary school teachers are women.

The biggest problem for these test is self-awareness. Too many don't know themselves enough to accurately score their type. They might score as they wish they were rather than as they actually are. They mostly don't know they are doing it.

Lucien म्हणाले...

Under the protocols of the Blasey-Ford Test, if you’re a psychology professor and you can’t figure out how to give testimony consistent with classic profiles of trauma victims (er, survivors), whether you are asked “trauma-informed” questions or not, then you are not very good at your job. The key elements of the survivor profile could be indelible in your hippocampus.

Surprisingly, millions of people might be credulous enough to fall for your BS.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

1"frequent updates and over-communication about projects."

There is no amount of communication with your supervisor about your work that is enough for him or too little for you. Until, of course, it's over and fucked up, then everybody says: "There should have been more communication!"

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

Where does the fact that a person is just stupid fit in with the MBTI?

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

The questions on test assume I know myself better than I do. A better way would be to ask what you would actually do in different situations or even better a review if what you have done. If you want to truely understand yourself, you can't ask someone as biased as yourself. Situational responses are who you really are, like it or not.

daskol म्हणाले...

Stupid is as stupid does as a surprisingly insightful moron put it.

Dust Bunny Queen म्हणाले...

There is such a thing as an extroverted introvert

Yes. That is me when I am at parties being sociable. It is called acting and is very tiring. :-) This is why introverts get drained by being in social situations and need to recharge by some alone time.

Ditto with working in groups. Draining and really counter productive. Like herding cats!!!!

The biggest problem for these test is self-awareness. Too many don't know themselves enough to accurately score their type. They might score as they wish they were rather than as they actually are.

I know myself. And often the true answers are not very socially acceptable or flattering to myself. I don't care and answer truthfully. I'm like Popeye "I am what I am"

Skeptical Voter म्हणाले...

Back in the day I was a reliable INTJ. No intent to manipulate the test--that was just the way I was. And mostly in my relations with other people, I was a pretty strong I.

I do have to smile at the various team building exercises you go through in corporate life.

I was the lawyer for a major capital construction project at one of our company's oil refineries. Those projects usually involved teams of a dozen or so engineers and planning and construction managers working together over a three to four year period from project inception to project completion. The construction would be done by an outside contractor.

The overall project manager (prodded no doubt by an HR weenie) thought it would be a good idea for the team, including its lawyer, to go off to a cabin in the woods for three days for team building exercises.

Part of that time was spent in taking an HR "instrument" to determine how each of us approached problem solving. The young engineer sitting next to me was shocked to learn that his approach to problem solving mirrored mine almost exactly. He would have been happier if he had just flunked a Wasserman test. Here he was, "thinking like a lawyer".

As for me, since my client group included the engineering center and the various refineries, it didn't both me that I could "think like an engineer"--minus the math of course.

mikee म्हणाले...

Well, the author's first mistake was to take the test and provide honest answers.
It works much better when you give the answers the test-givers want to see.

daskol म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
daskol म्हणाले...

Taleb and Damasio are classic INTJ: brilliant central insight built into profoundly ambitious theory, overbuilt in fact, and delivered with verve and passion in highly stylized prose.

RK म्हणाले...

"Not only was I the sole black woman in the organization, a demographic notoriously misunderstood in the workplace..."

This needs some more detail. Or maybe I need to stay away from hiring black women. They sound like trouble.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent म्हणाले...


“It doesn't take a genius to make the test result come out however you want it.”

This in, uh, spades. When I applied for my current job, I had enough insider feedback to know that the company culture didn’t want you to be too much of a Choleric Lion but also not too much of a Melancholy Beaver. The import of the personality test questions was so obvious that it wasn’t hard to present myself as the positive, yet constructively critical, team (yet innovative)-player that I am.

sara म्हणाले...

Angle-Dyne, Samurai Buzzard said...
Is any of that stuff (including Myers-Brigg) actually valid?


The MBTI was not designed to be used for hiring and/or promotions, so it isn’t a valid test in that respect. The Clifton Strengths is a far better measure of where an employee would best fit within an organization.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent म्हणाले...

Suspiciously, we also only have one Black woman (and no Black men that I know of) in a company of 400 people spread over six states. We make up for it with Asians and Hispanics though.

Szoszolo म्हणाले...

I know this is trivial, but the fact that the NYT used periods for MBTI and the types ... what -- are we back in 1977? It's a dumb article, made even more dumb by that stylistic anachronism.

Oso Negro म्हणाले...

You can laugh about the MBTI and its misuse all you want, but the underlying preferences are real and observable. Understanding your preferences and those of others can help you fit in better with others, if you wish to do so. An introverted person in a crowd of extraverts is naturally going to feel different, regardless of her skin color. She can certainly adapt her communication style to meet the needs of others, if she wants to get along. Paul Tieger (the Art of Speedreading People) used to make a good amount of money as a jury consultant by sorting the Thinkers from the Feelers.

Unknown म्हणाले...

Aren't all psychological tests really supposed to be administered by people licensed to administer and interpret them?

And if a person is introverted, does she really need a test to tell her (or the manager) that she'll have to make a little more effort to be assertive than a person who is naturally more extroverted?

Char Char Binks, Esq. म्हणाले...

These tests are just excuses to fire people without cause, while seeming to have cause. They will use any excuse they can.

Jim at म्हणाले...

It is called acting and is very tiring. :-) This is why introverts get drained by being in social situations and need to recharge by some alone time.

Yep.

GingerBeer म्हणाले...

I'm an E. I. E. I. O.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

Aren't all psychological tests really supposed to be administered by people licensed to administer and interpret them?

And if a person is introverted, does she really need a test to tell her (or the manager) that she'll have to make a little more effort to be assertive than a person who is naturally more extroverted?


Yes, but the MBTI is not really a psychological test.

No.

The Cracker Emcee Refulgent म्हणाले...

“Aren't all psychological tests really supposed to be administered by people licensed to administer and interpret them?”

In corporate America? No, they’re supposed to be administered by the 25 year-old music-major niece of the CFO who was handed the entry level HR position. Duh.

libertariansafetyguy म्हणाले...

MBTI isn’t scientifically validated. There are far better assessments. Validated assessments ought to be used for building self-awareness and learning what sort of work and communications are within our preferences and which are not. Working out of preference is a necessary partner of life but it can also be exhausting. It’s also helpful for teams to understand each other’s preferences and that there is not “good or bad” in an assessment.

My experience is that when a person takes between 10-20 different assessments, a significant boost to self-awareness occurs and that’s one of the 3 most important factors to higher levels of performance.

joshbraid म्हणाले...

The MBTI people advertise reliability and validity (https://www.myersbriggs.org/my-mbti-personality-type/mbti-basics/reliability-and-validity.htm?bhcp=1).

To start, I wonder how many people have actually "taken" the MBTI? Most of the "tests" I see are not valid instruments, where as the MBTI is valid as a test. Secondly, the four scales, based upon concepts from Jung, are valid.

I agree that the results can be misused, although if one is taking a non-valid test then it is already a setup.

I have found the four scales very useful most of my life. There are not determinative, just descriptive. Jung saw them describing what stage of development one was at, with the idea that by the end of life one developed in all four scales. Good stuff if you don't sell snake oil with it.

Amadeus 48 म्हणाले...

ENTJ here. The key to Meyers- Briggs is using it to learn how to communicate with others. The person in the article wasn’t unhappy because of the test; she was unhappy because she didn’t like the working conditions.

I worked at a law firm where they hired very smart introverts for the most part. They gave great client service because they were smart and stayed focused on the project at hand. I quit and joined a firm with a much higher proportion of extraverts. At last, someone to play with! I was much happier there.

The NYT missed the slavery angle here, but they appear to have edged in a hint of racism. Keep plucking that chicken, Baquet!

rcocean म्हणाले...

"who preferred frequent updates and over-communication about projects."

Aka a micromanaging worry wart.

rcocean म्हणाले...

INTJ. Why isn't it "JINT"? so much easier to remember.

rcocean म्हणाले...

You need to differentiate between "extroverts" and gasbags who waste everyone's time constantly "Communicating" instead of doing. These characters LOVE to have time wasting meeting where we all "Communicate" when we don't really need to. They also love to spent 15 minutes talking, when they have 5 minutes of information.

Focko Smitherman म्हणाले...

Wasn't there a hit song in the 30s called "Melancholy Beaver"?

Narr म्हणाले...

I've had most of the big name tests--MBTI, MMPI(?), and a bunch of even-less-supportable ones.

I think I was INTJ but can't be sure. I do recall being impressed by the result of an assessment done as part of working at a good-size realty firm: I scored low on "Energy."
That was Science In Action, 'cause it's true. (Two years, learned a lot.)

The MMPI was a joke. Anyone with half a brain can massage it.

Narr
I had > half

Michael K म्हणाले...

a good-size realty firm: I scored low on "Energy."

"From Kurt von Hammerstein-Equord, German Army Chief in early 1930s:

I divide my officers into four groups. There are clever, diligent, stupid, and lazy officers. Usually two characteristics are combined. Some are clever and diligent — their place is the General Staff. The next lot are stupid and lazy — they make up 90 percent of every army and are suited to routine duties. Anyone who is both clever and lazy is qualified for the highest leadership duties, because he possesses the intellectual clarity and the composure necessary for difficult decisions. One must beware of anyone who is stupid and diligent — he must not be entrusted with any responsibility because he will always cause only mischief."

Marcus Bressler म्हणाले...

I took the MBTI at least twice early in my career paths. I recall that I answered the questions as I would as a manager/employee and NOT from a personal standpoint. I am two different personality types, one at work, the other at home.

THEOLDMAN

Kansas City म्हणाले...

Interesting. I found the MBTI very interesting and, in my life, pretty accurate. It provided a very accurate view of me. It helped me understand myself and make some small adjustments in my dealings with others that helped. It also was very informative on certain friends and relatives. For example, the guy I like best in the office is the personality type that MBTI said I would like best. I also saw that the girl who loved me in high school was a personality type who was attracted by my personality type.

I never have been able to use it much to assess other people, but I always thought that was because I did not give enough effort to it. I think that if there was a particular person with whom I needed to improve my relationship, knowing his/her MBTI would be very helpful.

I can accept that the results are not "validated," and also skeptical about how that would work.

What is interesting is how so many people are hostile to any form of psychological testing of themselves.

C R Krieger म्हणाले...

At one point I was put in charge of a team of disparate Air Force Staff Officers, plucked from commands around the world, to brain storm as an innovation task force. Since we were mostly new to each other I got the money to do MBTI as a team building exercise. Since we would be doing brain storming I wanted folks to think about different styles, to encourage more open interchange. And to have a common theme to talk about. I think it worked.

I am an INTP (my wife claims I am a "J" who wants to be perceived as a P). For sure, after a day of extroverting, when I come home I want to introvert, which is unfair to my ENFJ wife. She notes she is, in the family, caught between the SJ And the three NTs.

Regards — Cliff

Kansas City म्हणाले...

Cliff's experience is common for introverts put in a role where they need to develop their extrovert skills. They are exhausted after a day of extroversion.

Mr. D म्हणाले...

I am INTP. At least I think I am.

JML म्हणाले...

I’ve had to take it twice since getting into the Forest Service. They pay great lip service to respecting the individual and caring about work life balance, so this kind of thing is right up their alley. But action speaks louder than words, which is why I'm only 65% manned and had to work 5 hours of overtime Friday...

I was an I in one and an E in the other, judgmental in both and I don’t remember the others. Judgmental. Indeed - see above. The bastards...

Kansas City म्हणाले...

It is interesting to see "guesses" about celebrities. Trump is guessed as ESTP. I match up with Michael Jordan and Tiger Woods. I'll take it.

daskol म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
daskol म्हणाले...

Anyone who guessed anything other than ENTJ for Trump needs to do their MBTI homework before making any more guesses.

Skippy Tisdale म्हणाले...

"Not only was I the sole black woman in the organization, a demographic notoriously misunderstood in the workplace"

What's not to understand?

Narr म्हणाले...

Since this horse isn't dead yet, thanks for the quote Dr. K-- I'm familiar with it!

I'm a lazy introvert who played an energetic extrovert for career purposes; I was never expert enough in the MBTI typology, or close enough to most of my colleagues--who ran the gamut--to find it useful for understanding them.

Narr
"Be more than you seem."

Skippy Tisdale म्हणाले...

ESTJ: extraversion (E), sensing (S), thinking (T), judgment (J)
INFP: introversion (I), intuition (N), feeling (F), perception (P)"

I took the Briggs Myer's test about 20 years ago. Came out with:

XSXJ

Why? Because I came exactly down the middle (hence the Xs) and the other two were almost right down the middle as well.

Kansas City म्हणाले...

To Daskol:

Here you go on the explanation for the theory that Trump is an ESTP. So is one of my best friends, who is a very nice guy and a very good leader.

https://www.personalitypathways.com/article/trump-mbti-type.html

daskol म्हणाले...

Thanks for the post. I do not agree with that assessment at all, neither the S not the P. Trump is an N not an S and such a J. It's the nature of what he says aloud--exactly what he's thinkimg, without the typical filters and his best constant use.of humor, edgy humor, pushing the envelope, that is the personality tell. Same basis cognitive stack as an INTJ just ordered differently. Better description of Trumps type: https://personalityjunkie.com/entj-profile/

daskol म्हणाले...

People who don't appreciate Trumps humor or perceive his strategic consistency will misclassify him.