"... to propose the sale of the large land mass to the U.S.... 'Obviously, the right decision for this country,' Cotton said quickly when asked by Talk Business & Politics CEO Roby Brock about Trump’s Greenland tweets. “You’re joking, but I can reveal to you that several months ago, I met with the Danish ambassador and I proposed that they sell Greenland to us.'... Cotton said... Greenland’s 'economic potential is untold,' and the island is 'vital to our national security.' 'Anyone who can’t see that is blinded by Trump derangement,' he said. Cotton said in 2018 the Chinese government sought to essentially bribe the local government of Greenland into allowing it to build three military bases there. But efforts by Trump administration and some in Congress convinced Denmark to weigh in at the last minute and block the deal, Cotton said. 'I told the president you should buy it as well,' Cotton said, adding later that 'He’s (Trump) heard that from me and from some other people as well.'"
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१०२ टिप्पण्या:
All irrelevant to the crazy way it played out over the past week. Presumably Cotton learned from the Ambassador that this was a non-starter.
The idea of buying Greenland is thinking outside the ice box.
There's no way Cotton is serious about this. If he is, then he's crazy.
This is just stupid. As Trumpian disregard for norms and even reality, it kinda worked. As a serious policy proposal it's just insane.
This is just stupid. As Trumpian disregard for norms and even reality, it kinda worked. As a serious policy proposal it's just insane.
I see we have a new troll. Was Truman crazy too ?
Presumably Cotton learned from the Ambassador that this was a non-starter.
I wonder how many completed business deals were initially non-starters.
As a serious policy proposal it's just insane.
Please tell us what's insane about it. Specifically.
If you can.
This is interesting and actually wicked smart when viewed against the larger trade war with China... one of the so-called arrows in China’s quiver is their ability to extremely limit or even completely stop all rare-earth exports... Greenland is rich in rare-earth resources and would offset any power play by China in that direction...
It's hard not to laugh at people who think the very idea of buying Greenland is insane or absurd. US Presidents have mulled buying Greenland forever. And of course the US has a long history of aquiring land with money.
Now I'm sure we'll own Greenland before California slips into the ocean.
If the Danes had any sense of humor they'd offer to sell Greenland to the Chinese.
He should simply seize it. What will people do, call him Hitler?
readering: "All irrelevant to the crazy way it played out over the past week."
LOL
Ah yes, the inevitable lefty walkback begins.
Lefties: Sure, sure, everything we told you about how this conversation began was a lie but you can totally trust our judgement now!! Plus, the hiax pee tape really exists and Trump really did collude with Russia and Kavanaugh really did lead a rape gang for 2 decades and those Covington kids really did surround that poor heroic vietnam war hero and .....etc etc etc...
supposedly has a ton or rare earth minerals which they need for renewable energy and other tech applications.
I would be interested to hear from anyone who knows something about this issue why the US should or shouldn’t consider acquiring Greenland. Calling the idea “crazy “ doesn’t count.
Rare earths should count as a potential reason for us to acquire Greenland, yes?
I'm kind of curious as to what the post-purchase status would be - territory or state?
If state, then it moves a lot of pieces on the senatorial and house chess boards. That would be GOOD fun to watch.
Hopefully we'd have learned a few things since Guam, the USVI, and PR.
-XC
If you don't see the merit in this proposal, you are a dim fuck!
Get Greenland then give PR and the inhabitants to Cuba for a another hundred years on the Gitmo lease..
There's nothing crazy about the concept of acquiring Greenland, although it's been a long time since one country acquired another. It's just too complicated, even when something as obvious as Romania acquiring Moldova or Ireland acquiring Northern Ireland.
It's just that Trump went about raising it now in his usual crazy way. Personally, I think we should unite with Canada, but I don't go around proposing it because the Canadians wouldn't be interested.
I also think we should unload some stuff, starting with Guantanamo Bay base.
Today is 2019, not 1819 or even 1919, when boundaries were set willy-nilly after the dislocations of the Napoleonic War and WWI.
Greenland and Iceland both found themselves effectively occupied by the United States during WWII, so there was that, especially for Greenland where the attachments between the Danes and the Inuit probably was not very strong, if hardly any.
Today, it is a different world with the U.N. Charter firmly established, a very big "thing," and new nation states cropping up all over.
Denmark can no longer "sell" Greenland, nor can Greenland declare itself independent and then let itself be annexed to the United States a la Texas. Perhaps to Canada and somehow in league with Canada's arrangements for its Inuit population, but not the United States.
Readering never heard of Molotov-Ribbentrop or the simultaneous invasion of Poland by then allies Hitler and Stalin nor did readering know that multiple Presidents over decades had considered this possibility nor had readering ever looked into the economic and national security implications of such an acquisition.
All readering knows is OrangeManBad.
I wonder if during readerings next visit to the "US purchased from Denmark" Virgin Islands readering could expound further on how it is dumb and impossible to purchase geographic possessions from Denmark.
History began 17 seconds ago for readering and the lefties/LLR-lefties.
readering: "It's just too complicated,.."
We cant expect NATO countries to spend more on shared defense. Its too complicated.
We cant change trade agreements which permanently put the US at astonishing disadvantage. Its too complicated.
We cant slow down immigration or increase vetting of immigrants. Its too complicated.
...and so on and so on....
Britain cant leave the EU. Its too complicated.
Obama cant enforce his arbitrarily set red lines. Its too complicated.
We cant demand the arabs accept Israel's right to exist. Its too complicated.
In this day of self-determination it's hard to acquire countries if the population is not fully behind it.
We cant move the US embassy to Jerusalem. Its too complicated.
Getting the idea?
readering: "In this day of self-determination it's hard to acquire countries if the population is not fully behind it."
At long last you are on the right track.
What would it take to convince Greenlanders to accept a deal?
We would have to be able to successfully answer the "What's in it for them?" question.
Can you imagine the deal those 56,000 some odd people could cut with the richest nation on earth?
It's definitely not a crazy policy objective. So far, the only explanation I've heard for why it's "crazy" is that Denmark doesn't own Greenland and therefore can't "sell" it. But that's just semantics, really. The U.S. could obviously acquire sovereignty that would stand up under international law through negotiations with Denmark and the autonomous government of Greenland. No, the transaction would not simply entail writing a check to Denmark in exchange for a deed; but so what? The outcome would be the same, regardless of how it the transaction were structured.
One thing I haven't heard anyone really address in this is the message it sends about Trump. Although TDS sufferers insist this was an embarrassing "gaffe" of some sort, and thus another reason to point and laugh at him, I believe the message it sends to the people is that Trump is thinking big, willing to consider things that conventional politicians never even think about doing because they would be afraid of the reaction in the salons of Washington. Maybe buying Greenland isn't a practical possibility, but Trump is nevertheless making a statement about the kind of things America can potentially accomplish and his willingness to dream about those things. What's the quote RFK used to say: "Some people look at things the way they are and ask why? I look at things that never were and ask why not?"
Personally, I think we should unite with Canada,
Alberta has discussed a union with Montana recently. Certainly nobody wants the layabouts of Quebec. British Columbia has too many lefties.
All the lefties want to give up Gitmo so we have no strategic base in the Caribbean.
A scene in one part:
Donald Trump finds a ratchet. He looks at the ratchet. He picks it up. He tries to move the toggle on the back of the ratchet. It is stuck because of one-way wear.
Donald Trump has a back pocket. In the back pocket is a can of WD-40. Trump takes the can and aims the nozzle at the toggle.
Voices from off stage yell out that Donald Trump is wasting his time. Trump ignores the disembodied voices.
Trump sprays the WD-40 on the ratchet and waits. He grabs the toggle. It shifts. The ratchet really does work in both directions. There are a lot of nuts and bolts.
Donald Trump has a a barrel full of WD-40.
::scene::
To my best estimation, readering is not a real person.
readering, as Royal ass Inga before her, is a character.
It's a bad character.
It's boring.
Alberta's their texas, it would probably fit, of course even british Columbia would go ransom of red chief with Washington state,
https://investingnews.com/daily/resource-investing/critical-metals-investing/rare-earth-investing/greenland-minerals-to-raise-au7-million/
He really just drives 'em nuts, doesn't he?
What would it take to convince Greenlanders to accept a deal?
I have read that most residents live in Soviet looking housing.
Thule was the US WWII airbase and is on the west side.
Canada is very close but Detroit is also very close to Canada,
If the US wants to buy Greenland, and Greenland wants to be bought, I'd like to know just exactly who is going to prevent the US from buying Greenland. The UN? The ACLU? Readering?
I think its time the US acquire the lands necessary to achieve direct contact between the contiguous 48 states and Alaska.
If we have to aquire all of BC/Alberta/Saskatchewan/Northwest territories to do it, so be it.
Along with the lefty promised Green New Deal Train Service connecting CA and Hawaii, we will finally have a unified nation.
Had the US played its cards rights decades ago, Cuba would have become a state, and Hawaii would be an strategic and important territory like Guam.
It has never happened, but Canada has seriously considered adding the Turks and Caicos Islands.
there was also a missing nuke from the 60s, and there was a missile basing exercise, called camp century,
well Buchanan was trying to acquire cuba in the early part of his term, I think there was a tender offer by grant,
Canada is very close but Detroit is also very close to Canada
I prefer to think of it as Windsor being close to the United States.
If Trump's serious about this, he could try to leverage our European security guarantee to wrest control of Greenland from Denmark's grip. Heck, he's already on the record with his dissatisfaction with NATO and all the free riders in Europe.
A week ago the thought of owning Greenland never even entered my mind. Now that the Dems are mocking Trump and the Danes are being stubborn I want to take it by force if necessary!
Had Obama suggested it, we would have gotten long thoughtful pieces in the NYT/WaPo about "Is buying Greenland a good idea?" But because Trump did it, it's "Haha Trump wants to buy Greenland. haha"
The last thing we need is Cuba as a state. We need to get rid of Puerto Rico ASAP. And if Hawaii wants to leave, we should encourage it.
Anytime new england wants to join Canada, I'll put in a few buck for moving expenses.
rcocean,
I always rooted for Lex Luther and his plan to sink California.
And Superman is basically a dozen bad movies...
Demand Greenland let in 50,000 African Refugees. Then bribe said Refugees to vote for union with the USA.
Lots of empty space in Greenland. Room for at least 100,000 poor Nigerians.
Birkel, I'm not joking. to realize how better we'd be off if we didn't have 10 asshole liberal New England senators fucking everything up? Its obvious they'd be happier in socialist Canada. Its a win win for everyone.
the first two were great, they were filmed at the same time, the technology was pretty new, although the first half hour could have been edited a bit,
Crimso said...
"He should simply seize it. What will people do, call him Hitler?"
Evoking:
The Guardian
September 21, 2016
Trump's plan to seize Iraq's oil: 'It's not stealing, we're reimbursing ourselves'
'One of the recurring themes of Donald Trump’s national security strategy is his plan to “take the oil” in Iraq and from areas controlled by Islamic State (Isis) extremists. It would drain Isis’s coffers and reimburse the US for the costs of its military commitments in the Middle East, the candidate insists.
At a forum hosted by NBC on 7 September, Trump suggested oil seizure would have been a way to pay for the Iraq war, saying: “We go in, we spend $3tn, we lose thousands and thousands of lives, and then … what happens is we get nothing. You know, it used to be to the victor belong the spoils.”
He added: “One of the benefits we would have had if we took the oil is Isis would not have been able to take oil and use that oil to fuel themselves.”
Giuliani defends Trump idea to take Middle East oil: 'Anything is legal' in war
The idea predates Trump’s presidential campaign. As far back as 2011, he was telling the Wall Street Journal that this was his policy for Iraq. “You heard me, I would take the oil,” he said. “I would not leave Iraq and let Iran take the oil.” And he insisted to ABC News that this did not amount to national theft.
“You’re not stealing anything,” Trump said. “We’re reimbursing ourselves … at a minimum, and I say more. We’re taking back $1.5tn to reimburse ourselves.”'
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/sep/21/donald-trump-iraq-war-oil-strategy-seizure-isis
rcocean,
I'm not joking either.
Coastal California is welcomed to go away too.
"A scene in one part:
Donald Trump finds a ratchet. He looks at the ratchet. He picks it up. He tries to move the toggle on the back of the ratchet. It is stuck because of one-way wear.
Donald Trump has a back pocket. In the back pocket is a can of WD-40. Trump takes the can and aims the nozzle at the toggle.
Voices from off stage yell out that Donald Trump is wasting his time. Trump ignores the disembodied voices.
Trump sprays the WD-40 on the ratchet and waits. He grabs the toggle. It shifts. The ratchet really does work in both directions. There are a lot of nuts and bolts.
Donald Trump has a a barrel full of WD-40.
::scene::"
OMFG.
The Greenlanders can vote. That democracy thing.
Our territories can vote to stay, leave or become a state.
I did find it interesting yesterday how one commenter (I think J. Farmer?) felt that the "principle" of self-determination, or whatever, was the end of the discussion. It trumped all. So he would have to agree, then, that it was wrong for the United States to retake the Confederacy by force, particularly since the seceding states were represented by democratic governments. Secession reflected the will of the people in the Southern states. What right did the United States have to force them to remain?
If 50.1% of any people vote for independence from another country, that vote must be respected, right?
The United States would NEVER allow a state to secede for any reason, no matter what percentage of voters desired independence. Allowing that is something a weak ass bitch nation like Canada would do, and almost did in the case of Quebec.
Territories are different, though. They aren't really "American" -- they're colonial possessions. We can give them up or trade them or do whatever. Territories are far less integrated economically and culturally with the rest of the United States. They have strategic significance to the United States, but it's not an enduring bond. There's a reason even Puerto Rico is sometimes called a nation and will compete separate from the U.S. in international sports.
"'I met with the Danish ambassador and I proposed that they sell Greenland to us.'... Cotton said."
Cotton carefully omits to tell us what the ambassador's reply was.
If Trump was serious about pursuing this idea, he should have asked the State Department to explore it quietly with the Danes. Presumably they would have said they weren't interested, and that would have been the end of the matter. Trump's blundering boorishness simply demonstrates yet again how completely unfit he is for the office he holds.
Different mentality now.
That war meant nothing.
Do even the Trump Deranged lefties here seriously believe that 50 years from now, Greenland is going to belong to tiny Denmark in a half Islamized European Union? Unless the US is deep in Sharia mode under Puppet President AOC, we are going to seize it anyway. Trump is just trying to get ahead of the crisis.
"Anytime new england wants to join Canada, I'll put in a few buck for moving expenses."
Even in New England, there's large areas of sanity that would want to stay. We can't divide into 2 or 3 or 4 - there's one big country and then 15 crazy little pockets.
Ken_L: Trump's blundering boorishness simply demonstrates yet again how completely unfit he is for the office he holds.
Shame he's only interested in dealing seriously with more trivial aspects of office that have little bearing on long-term national interest. (Small potatoes like trade problems with China, that sort of minor crap.) But a minor apparent diplomatic contretemps with the Danes? Well, I never.
Hey, the last four presidents may have sold us down the river on trade, and blithely instigated or continued military polices that have been disastrous both for us and other nations, but they would never have been so dangerously incompetent, so demonstrably completely unfit for office, as to have galumphed inadroitly to the Danes about Greenland.
(Ken_L evaluation: yet another wrist-flapper. Sigh.)
it's all that fit on the cue card,
https://www.atlasobscura.com/places/camp-century
https://sputniknews.com/us/201801211060941895-us-hydrogen-bomb-thule-incident/
There's nothing crazy about the concept of acquiring Greenland, although it's been a long time since one country acquired another. It's just too complicated ...
... for readering's tiny, unimaginative mind to grasp.
Don't liberals see themselves as expansive thinkers capable of nuance?
Scroll up for someof my reasoning
I don't get why its so ridiculous.
If I remember correctly, it was a leaker from inside the White House that brought up Greenland. Trump didn't go out there and say, "Hello world, we want to buy Greenland!" Some far left dimwit pulled the trigger and leaked that news, forcing everyone to deal with it long before they were ready.
Trump DID try to keep this on the down low, explore things quietly, etc. But leftists and leakers gleefully ruined it, and now are blaming Trump for messing it up.
In other words, they committed treason, yet again. But then, that's what leftists do best, isn't it? Commit treason in their never-ending attempts to harm the USA.
Crimso at 1:53 for the win.
I looked at a map to refresh my knowledge of geography. Greenland belonging to the US or Canada makes a lot more sense than Greenland belonging to the tiny European country Denmark. Seriously, Denmark owning Greenland is absurd.
Greenland New Deal. Are we tired of winning yet?
If this be treason, make the most of it! Or something . . . .
Denmark owning Greenland (pop. 56,000) more absurd than Britain owning Gibraltar, Malvinas and 6 counties out of Ulster?
Greenland is an arbitrage play.
Cheap, strategic, not a lot of people...
Do you have any idea how much wind they have in Greenland?
Why Trump's hair would be an absolute wreck! How could he even consider buying such a property? Does he have no sense of decorum at all?
Let me tell you about a land I know
I met her on a northern uptown street
She's so fine you know I wish she was mine
I get shook up every time we meet
[Chorus]
I'm talking about Greenland
Nowhere but Greenland
Yeah, I do mean Greenland
I'm just trying to get a message to U....S. Sen. Tom Cotton, R-Ark.
readering: Denmark owning Greenland (pop. 56,000) more absurd than Britain owning Gibraltar, Malvinas, and 6 counties out of Ulster?
Not if the Greenlanders prefer to a part of Denmark in the way that the residents of Gibraltar, the Falklands (FTFY), and the majority of people in the 6 counties prefer to be British.
readering: "Denmark owning Greenland (pop. 56,000) more absurd than Britain owning Gibraltar, Malvinas and 6 counties out of Ulster?"
Britain does not own the Malvinas.
They own the Falklands.
readering: "If this be treason, make the most of it! Or something . . . ."
It would seem prudent for the hoax russian collusion liars like readering to refrain from speaking about treason for awhile....
Ken L: "If Trump was serious about pursuing this idea, he should have asked the State Department to explore it quietly with the Danes."
LOLOLOL
It would have been leaked to the NYT in 17 seconds flat.
Besides, there isn't a single State Dept official I'd want involved in the discussion leading to potential negotiations for a potential acquisition because there isn't a single one of them that would know how to do it.
Period.
And I don't want Pompeo distracted from the national security aspects of his Sec of State role.
Malvinas, readering? I guess you were rooting for the Argentinians in 1982.
It would seem prudent for the hoax russian collusion liars like readering to refrain from speaking about treason for awhile....
"Never mention rope in the house of a man who has been hanged."
What , exactly, would the Danes(!) do if the USA landed troops in Nuuk and raised Old Glory? Capitulate to Hitler, again?
Thr Brits were in the Falklands long before there was an Argentina.
And the Norse were in Greenland before the Inuit. Go figure.
Interesting dichotomy here between those clearly outraged by Argentinian aggression in 1982 and those (tongue in cheek?) calling on the US to seize Greenland.
No is just a prelude to yes.
Interesting dichotomy here between those clearly outraged by Argentinian aggression in 1982 and those (tongue in cheek?) calling on the US to seize Greenland.
Interesting use of language here. A bank robber to you people is an "undocumented withdrawal person."
Buying Greenland is "seizing it." Very interesting. You would be right at home in San Francisco.
At least you recognize that Argentina was trying to take the Falklands by force.
I'm just reading the comments.
At least no defenders killed or wounded.
The words “felon,” “offender,” “convict,” “addict” and “juvenile delinquent” would be part of the past in official San Francisco parlance under new “person first” language guidelines adopted by the Board of Supervisors.
Going forward, what was once called a convicted felon or an offender released from jail will be a “formerly incarcerated person,” or a “justice-involved” person or simply a “returning resident.”
Parolees and people on criminal probation will be referred to as a “person on parole,” or “person under supervision.”...
Meanwhile on Greenland ....
readering: "Interesting dichotomy here between those clearly outraged by Argentinian aggression in 1982 and those (tongue in cheek?) calling on the US to seize Greenland."
I see our little hoax collusion / hoax gang rape liar hasnt learned a thing.
Leftists cannot adapt.
Shortly after Trump was elected, I had a conversation with a rabid TDS liberal who blurted out, "...I'm just afraid he'll get into a twitter war with Greenland or Iceland and end up dropping a nuke on one of them!" I told him that was the most stupid thing I'd ever heard and I was done talking to him. The other day, I reminded him of the conversation and told him, "I told you it was stupid. No way he'd nuke a potential real estate deal."
He was just repeating a primary campaign joke of Cruz's.
May everyone find someone who hangs on their every word like Drago hangs on mine.
I hardly think, Readering, that Drago hangs on your every word. Everyone knows Chuck is public enemy number one. You, though, apparently rooted for a military dictatorship to attack one of our Allies and take their land.
But you claim to be a Democrat, and at the same time preferred a military dictatorship seizing the land of the UK. Interesting, wot?
Blogger readering said...
I'm just reading the comments.
At least no defenders killed or wounded.
History began this morning for you folks. Do you read anything ?
In total, 907 were killed during the 74 days of the conflict:
I grew up in England, as I have posted before. I rooted for the Brits (unlike some in Reagan administration, which was split, understandably, given Cold War mindset). Followed the war closely, especially exploits of those who attended same school. I only referred to British casualties defending against the initial invasion (none, sensibly (c.f. Danes WW2)). Happy the dictatorship fell as a result of the defeat. But I do find it amusing when folk sometimes get all worked up when I post stuff. Especially, but not only, dear Drago. Honored to be mentioned in same comment as Chuck, but I think he gets attacked (crazily) from many directions, while I perceive special attention from one out of my fellow commenters. Admittedly Chuck gets hot under the collar, resulting in flame wars, while I see it as just pixels. Over to you.
Looked over comments and am reminded, honored to be mentioned in same comment as Inga, although she could REALLY get hot under the collar, unfortunately.
readering: "I grew up in England, as I have posted before. I rooted for the Brits (unlike some in Reagan administration, which was split, understandably, given Cold War mindset)."
The Reagan administration fully backed Thatcher and the Brits.
Fully.
Reagan never wavered in that support.
Lets not have more rewriting of history just because you cant keep it straight.
Readering, its not anyones fault but your own that you repeatedly offer up the most assinine and easily debunked lefty talking points which cry out for rebuttal.
To garner less attention, try being less dumb.
Reagan supported Thatcher but not everyone in the administration felt same way.
Keep focus on me always my friend Drago.
Clearly he doesnt some officials in the reagan administration, notably haig and kirkpatrick were ambivalent, because until videla did that darn fool thing, they were sympathetic to his xiunterinsurgency strategy
@bleh:
I did find it interesting yesterday how one commenter (I think J. Farmer?) felt that the "principle" of self-determination, or whatever, was the end of the discussion. It trumped all.
That wasn't precisely what I said. What I said was that Denmark recognized the people of Greenland's right to self-determination and that this was codified in the law regarding the relationship between Greenland and Denmark. But do you not believe that the principle of national self-determination complicates the notion that you can buy and sell other people's sovereignty?
So he would have to agree, then, that it was wrong for the United States to retake the Confederacy by force, particularly since the seceding states were represented by democratic governments. Secession reflected the will of the people in the Southern states. What right did the United States have to force them to remain?
Not sure if this is supposed to be some kind of gotcha point, but yes I support the principle of secession and the tradition of the antifederalists and Jeffersonianism. That's why Civil War is a misnomer. It was the War Between the States. I have actually long advocated that the US be broken up into smaller constituent parts, though of course I have little expectation that such a thing will occur.
Also, Tom Cotton's claim about China trying to bribe Greenland into building three military bases there is a total crock. The Chinese responded to Greenland's request for proposals to build three airports. Denmark later objected on national security grounds. I like Tom Cotton on immigration, but he's completely untrustworthy on matters of foreign policy.
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