२८ जून, २०१९

Is busing for school desegregation really going to be a central issue for the Democrats?

That's how it looked in last night's debate, when Kamala Harris lit into Joe Biden for his long-ago rejection of forced busing imposed by the federal government.

I was wondering how much this issue could resonate with younger voters and also how many older voters — old enough to remember what Biden lived through — had any great enthusiasm for moving children about on buses in order to change the racial proportions in various schools.

Researching my questions, I saw that there's one Democratic presidential candidate who must be horrified at this issue rising to the top: NYC mayor Bill de Blasio. I'm reading "Parents Do What the Mayor Hasn’t — Integrate Schools" (NYT):
Mr. de Blasio said his administration would move faster toward a comprehensive citywide plan now that local efforts seemed to be working, but he said it would still be voluntary. “Is everyone going to buy in? No,” he said. “We do not require everyone to buy in.”

The mayor also said the city’s hands were largely tied with segregation in public elementary schools, which are largely zoned by neighborhood and more affected by residential segregation patterns. Busing, he said, “absolutely poisoned the well” in Boston in the 1970s, near where he grew up. “I’m telling you, and I think history is on my side here, you do not want to create a series of conflicts here,” he said.
See also "Segregation Has Been the Story of New York City’s Schools for 50 Years/Low black and Hispanic enrollment at Stuyvesant High School has reignited a debate about how to finally integrate the city’s schools" (NYT)("Last summer, Mr. de Blasio ruled out using busing to achieve integration").

ADDED: Is there room for local experimentation in how to provide equal schooling? I'm reading "'I Love My Skin!' Why Black Parents Are Turning to Afrocentric Schools/While New York City schools are deeply segregated, some black families are choosing an alternative to integration" (from last January in the NYT):

Though New York City has tried to desegregate its schools in fits and starts since the 1954 Supreme Court ruling in Brown v. Board of Education, the school system is now one of the most segregated in the nation. But rather than pushing for integration, some black parents in Bedford-Stuyvesant are choosing an alternative: schools explicitly designed for black children.

Afrocentric schools have been championed by black educators who had traumatic experiences with integration as far back as the 1960s and by young black families who say they recently experienced coded racism and marginalization in integrated schools. Both groups have been disappointed by decades of efforts to address inequities in America’s largest school system.

“Some of us are pro-integration, some of us are anti- and others are ambivalent,” said Lurie Daniel Favors, a member of Parenting While Black, a newly formed group of Brooklyn parents. “Even if integrated education worked perfectly — and our society spent the past 60-plus years trying — it’s still not giving black children the kind of education necessary to create the solutions our communities need.”...

With the city’s approval, any principal can adopt a black-centric curriculum — with black teachers, and a focus on black culture in literature, history and art classes — as long as the school complies with state educational standards....

Richard A. Carranza, the city’s schools chancellor, said he is eager to expand a debate he helped start about stark inequalities in schools — even if some black parents don’t agree that integration is the answer. “Often when you talk about integration, it’s about taking black kids out of their schools and sending them into white schools,” he said in an interview. “Rarely is it about, ‘How do you have other kids come into traditionally black schools and find value?’ If there’s a school that says that’s what we want to focus on... I think we should be very supportive of that.”...

The [Little Sun People] school’s founder, Fela Barclift, said she’s spent years telling parents that they can demand more Afrocentric public schools when their children graduate to kindergarten....

In the 1960s, her two younger siblings were bused from Bedford-Stuyvesant to Bay Ridge, then a largely white Brooklyn neighborhood, where they were spat on and called names. “School was a tragic experience for them,” said Ms. Barclift.

At Little Sun People, she said, “You see you.”...

Rashad Meade, the principal of Eagle Academy for Young Men II in Brownsville, a public school created to educate boys of color, has spent his career experimenting with ways to do just that. After running the school for a few years, Mr. Meade discovered that his students needed a strong sense of black pride in order to thrive in mostly white spaces after graduation.

“Some of our young men didn’t really know who they were,” he said, sitting in his office under a sign that a showed a red slash through the phrase “N Word.”

So three years ago, Mr. Meade created an identity course, revised the black studies curriculum and added books by black and Hispanic authors to English courses.

१०८ टिप्पण्या:

n.n म्हणाले...

Diversity. They will never learn.

Jeff Brokaw म्हणाले...

They should read up on school busing in Massachusetts in the 70s. Complete disaster in every way.

Is there any evidence this has accomplished anything useful, anywhere, ever?

Fernandinande म्हणाले...

I think they made a mistake in the headline:
"Low black and Hispanic enrollment at Stuyvesant High School"

It should say:
"Way too many pesky Asians at Stuyvesant High School"

Arashi म्हणाले...

Well if it means bussing all of the deplorables to 're-education facilities', it will be a big hit with the progressive electorette and all of the talking heads, so a big win.

Bay Area Guy म्हणाले...

The history of busing in the 70s is one of those great applications of the "Law of Unintended Consequences."

1. So, historically, kids went to neighborhood public schools, and neighborhoods were largely de facto segregated, which meant whites went to mostly white schools and blacks went to mostly black schools. Not great, but, hey, that's life.

2. So, liberals and leftists said this was bad, and made a fuss. For example, in the San Fernando Valley (north of LA), the liberals decided to send the black kids from Watts on a 1.5 hour bus rides to the Valley, and vice-versa. De-segregation, baby!

3. Importing blacks from Watts wasn't too bad. But for middle-class, and working-class white families to send their kids to Watts to get beat up every day? Heck no.

4. So, the white families worked harder, saved, and simply started: (a) sending their kids to private schools and (b) pushing out to create the suburb communities and independent school districts, where busing wasn't necessary.

So, busing, another liberal pipe-dream mostly just de-populated the white students from the public schools in inner cities, and created suburbs, which developed into reasonably nice, mostly homogeneous enclaves of middle-class families.

Thanks, Busing!

rcpjr म्हणाले...

https://slate.com/human-interest/2014/02/how-the-lefts-embrace-of-busing-hurt-the-cause-of-integration.html

Busing was a disaster, but judging from the two Democrat debates, a history of policy failure is not a deterrent to these people.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

According to this article Kamala Harris was lying about her busing experience.

stevew म्हणाले...

Biden was, long ago, on the popular side of that issue. He would do well to follow Jeff Brokaw's advice and refresh his memory so that he can counter Harris's attack. Probably asking to much of Sleepy Joe.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

@Fernandistein (10:7), yes, that's exactly what they mean.

madAsHell म्हणाले...

Discuss the intersectionality between busing, and gentrification.

Sprezzatura म्हणाले...

SJW Meade seems cool.

Fernandinande म्हणाले...

"Parents Do What the Mayor Hasn’t — Integrate Schools"

The names of the schools integrated by the parents, attention garnering parents or otherwise, seem to be mysteriously missing from the article.

Seeing Red म्हणाले...

I don’t want my kid on a bus for an hour or more for some feel good bs.

Hagar म्हणाले...

Busing may have started with the idea of racial integration, but almost immediately became just an excuse for building huge central schools controlled by the educational establishment and their theories and political views. It is about social control of everybody; not just "minorities."

Seeing Red म्हणाले...

hey should read up on school busing in Massachusetts in the 70s. Complete disaster in every way.

Is there any evidence this has accomplished anything useful, anywhere, ever?

There was a movie made about it.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Forget forced bus schooling.

By the end of this primary we will be on to forced bus immigration.

Harris has gone full fascist.

hstad म्हणाले...

Having lived in CA for several decades am familiar with Ms. Harris' political climbing via sex as the former girlfriend of Willie Brown. The debate was all propoganda produced by NBC. Ms. Harris was an out and out liar. She was born in 1964 and claimed she attended the 2nd integrated public school in Berkeley - what a liar. I attended Berkeley HS in 1963, 1964 and 1965. Unless, one of my classmates, a best friend, passed himself off as a white (he's black) I would say Ms. Harris is a liar. Ms. Harris is a typical politico trying to burnish her 'Liberal Activist' card the day she was born in 1964. Of course the Liberal MSM loves Ms. Harris.

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves म्हणाले...

Stop worrying about skin color and start supplying better education to everyone.
Encourage charter schools and allow children from poorer neighborhoods to go to the school of their choice.

stevew म्हणाले...

"Stop worrying about skin color and start supplying better education to everyone."

If high quality education is your goal, and consistency of same across school districts then that is blindingly simple and sound advice.

CJinPA म्हणाले...

Difficult to answer the question in the headline, because of the nature of the issue. That is, in polite company, forced busing is portrayed as unequivocally good. For many who lived it, the reality was different.

So it's one of those issues with Above the Surface and Below the Surface opinions. It will, like all of the issues highlighted in the debates, appeal to the left-wing.

Now that I've written all that...I conclude that desegregation will be an issue for Democrats until the point it knocks Biden out of the race. Then it won't be useful anymore.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Does Harris have kids? We hear nothing about her family.

Hmm...

Anyways if Harris has any kids they won’t be force bused anywhere.

Just like obama her kids go to the good school with armed guards.

Her kids are better than ours.

Hagar म्हणाले...

Talk about traumatic experience, but busing kids 10 miles from their homes off to a school with 2-3000 or more pupils surely promises to be all of that and then some!

Fernandinande म्हणाले...

Is there room for local experimentation in how to provide equal schooling?

Other than the thousands of already failed experiments?

Ember Charter School, apparently a beauty academy in which students love their hair and skin, goes from bad to even more worser.

Ray - SoCal म्हणाले...

Spinning / Lying about her bussing experience by Harris will work against Biden. Biden is probably too scared of losing the Black / teacher union vote to return fire on Kamala.

Against Trump, not a chance...

Trump just needs to push school choice, charter schools, and anti forced bussing. Trump has lots of opportunities to shatter some Overton windows, that Harris is using.

Berkeleys schools were integrated, what was meant by biding was using it to achieve the right racial mix. This is allowed within districts, but died out for various reasons, including white flight.

Nichevo म्हणाले...

Anybody who would take two or three hours a day, or more, out of a child's life, for somebody else's racial politics, should be beaten to death with rods.

Carol म्हणाले...

Why do they need white students nearby to do better in school? And are there enough white students to go around?

Yancey Ward म्हणाले...

When I was in high school, I rode a bus with a stopover at my old elementary school, that was over 1 1/2 hours long- I would catch the bus at about 6:45 every morning, and get off at high school around 8:30. This had nothing at all to do with integration- it was just that I lived in the boondocks of a rural county with mountain roads. I can't imagine any parent wanting their child to spend that much time every day (over 3 hours) riding to and from school if they didn't have to.

Rick म्हणाले...

Wait, you mean diversity isn't our strength?

Maybe when more parents demand educational systems focused on educating instead of functioning as political machines and jobs programs they'll have a chance at getting one.

Until then they'll have race preferences to get a few students into college where they will be woefully unprepared.

Ambrose म्हणाले...

Busing is a little more up to date than the Stalinist catchphrases from the 1930s we've been subjected to so far.

Carol म्हणाले...

And I thought there were new progressive charter schools for blacks that were going to Fix Everything!

60 Minutes told me so.

narciso म्हणाले...

this was desantis, margin among African American mothers concerned about the schools,

Michael K म्हणाले...

The Berkeley high school was integrated since before Harris was born. I don't know about second grade but blacks are busy resegregating colleges.

In 1969, when I bought my first house, South Pasadena was far more desirable because it was small and had no busing. There were black homeowners and they were just as happy to have no busing.

Fernandinande म्हणाले...

Stop worrying about skin color and start supplying better education to everyone.

That is a great slogan, appeals very nicely to the emotions.

Rick म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Rick म्हणाले...

1. So, historically, kids went to neighborhood public schools, and neighborhoods were largely de facto segregated, which meant whites went to mostly white schools and blacks went to mostly black schools. Not great, but, hey, that's life.

This is not accurate. Although it is largely forgotten because it is so at odds with the court "remedy" Brown v Board was about a black family who wanted their child to go to the neighborhood school but could not because it was the white school. Instead the school forced her to go to an all black school further away.

So the minimalist remedy would have been to enforce the system you are describing here but which would have taken a court order to make reality.

mccullough म्हणाले...

Afrocentric public schools. Good luck

wwww म्हणाले...

Answer to Althouse's question about busing:

Nope. Twitter and media is not D base. How many times is the media gonna run with this story? Majority of D base wants one thing, media/blogs/woke twitter wants something else. # 58,953

Rick म्हणाले...

Twitter and media is not D base.

4W doesn't understand what a "base" is. The base is the most devoted and engaged supporters. Twitter and media are the Dem base. An accurate point would be that base is not the majority.

jaydub म्हणाले...

Instead of busing inner city children to suburban schools, why not try busing suburban teachers to inner city schools? Or better yet, busing suburban Asian teachers to inner city schools? I'm pretty sure the level of funding and basic physical plants at all schools within a given school district are very close these days; so, what's left to equalize between suburban and inner city schools other than, perhaps, the quality of the instruction? Or should there be teacher competency testing to ensure that every teacher is properly qualified to teach in any school, regardless of race or place of current employment? Anyway, what's the teacher union position on improving teacher competency?

Asking for Kamala Harris.

Ignorance is Bliss म्हणाले...

If we were having an honest and intelligent discussion about the value of integration in education, the candidate that should be horrified is Harris.

After experiencing the benefits of an integrated school system thanks to the joys of bussing, she chose to go to Howard University.

Tommy Duncan म्हणाले...

Forced busing is like socialism: Because we're smart, this time we'll do it right and it will work. We're only forcing this on you because it is for the greater good and because you are too stupid and selfish to do it yourself.

Politically appropriate notes of praise my be directed to Ms. Harris' summer dacha in the Sierras.

Tommy Duncan म्हणाले...

A serious inquiry: If residents are allowed to freely choose where to live, why shoudln't the neighborhood schools reflect the chosen demographics of the residents?

A second inquiry: How does forced integration benefit the residents of a neighborhood and how does it improve the educational experience of the students? If whites suppress minorities and systemically act with racial bias, wouldn't it be better to keep the whites away from minorities thus allowing the minorities to thrive in the absence of racial oppression?

n.n म्हणाले...

Education reform begins at home. Fix the schools, replace or supplement them, and let them compete for your capital vote.

Michael म्हणाले...

Tommy Duncan
“A serious inquiry: If residents are allowed to freely choose where to live, why shoudln't the neighborhood schools reflect the chosen demographics of the residents?”
They do in the suburbs where people have voted with their feet to leave shitty inner city schools and the attendant social experimentation. And as soon as those schools are polluted with the wrong sort new suburbs spring out a bit further from city center. As do office buildings to house the workers who no longer want the commute to the hellish city.

Earnest Prole म्हणाले...

Apparently we’re fated to revisit every awful fifty-year-old idea.

Me, I’m waiting to find out what price you have to pay to get out of going through all these things twice.

Unfortunately that price seems to be life itself.

MadisonMan म्हणाले...

Does Harris have kids?

Nope. Step-kids. As I recall, she married Dad when the kids were teenagers.

It's been a long time since a President with no children was elected. (Harding, if you don't count his illegitimate one)

Dear corrupt left, go F yourselves म्हणाले...

Drop the teacher's union. They are money whores and money launderers for power hungry democratics. It's a machine that cares about the machine first, and your kid's education last.

Francisco D म्हणाले...

In the late 1960's, my Rogers Park neighborhood (Chicago) went to shit as working middle class families leveraged pennies to buy a house in the suburbs. Busing was the reason.

I loved growing up in Chicago and hated the suburb that my parents moved to.

I went to a Chicago private school where Whites, Blacks, Asians and Hispanics freely socialized without racial tensions. What made the difference? We all had similar achievement oriented values.

William म्हणाले...

Is there anyone here who has had a more difficult and complicated childhood than Kamala's? Kamala had a neighbor who was prejudiced. I've heard sadder stories. She comes from a fairly privileged background with more perks than burdens. God forbid she express any gratitude towards America.

rehajm म्हणाले...

Buses are carbon spewing monsters.

Howard म्हणाले...

busing is just a reason to open up a wound in Biden. Most of the debate topics now will be winnowed out by next summer... that's why I don''t watch.

Shouting Thomas म्हणाले...

Black kids are the reason black schools suck.

That and black parents.

Bay Area Guy म्हणाले...

Joe Scarborough on busing

"He slammed Sen. Kamala Harris (D-Calif.) for calling out Biden on his history of opposing the policy of busing black students to predominately white schools. One of the most heated moments of the debate came as the California senator attacked Biden's record on civil rights."

"Scarborough said the “overwhelming majority of Americans” oppose busing as a means of integrating American schools. Fifty-nine percent of Americans opposed school busing in 2009, according to the Pew Research Center."

Temujin म्हणाले...

Yes- let's harp on bussing children ala the 1970's. Let's work on desegregation of our grade schools so we can fill all of their young minds together with the new collectivist hate mentality of the teachers in K-12 and send them to colleges where...Lo! and behold, segregation is back in play- by request. Separate but Equal

There is nothing the left touches without destroying it. Even their own causes.

William म्हणाले...

Whatever the problems surrounding race relations in America, it seems clear that busing was not the solution....While race relations here are nothing to take pride in, there are harder cases elsewhere. We've never had anything like Rwanda happen here. Over the top hate rhetoric directed at your opponents can have bad consequences. Something to think about.....In the old Hollywood movies, blacks were presented as good humored simpletons. It was racist, but it wasn't hateful. Nowadays, Hollywood presents Confederates, Nazis, and Republicans in a god-awful light. It's not racist but it's hateful.

buwaya म्हणाले...

The origin of busing is interesting. And these days unknown.
The controversy and the sectarian lines drawn around it have obscured its purpose.
Which is unfortunate.

It started with the massive James Coleman study in the 1960's, which attempted to identify all factors affecting educational performance between black and white, and rich and poor students. It was the first serious attempt to achieve the holy grail of American education, closing "the gap", between white and black achievement.

Funding, input factors like teacher training, and to some degree methods, home life metrics, etc. Ultimately Coleman drew a blank, except for one thing, which was dubbed "peer effects". That is, that black students in majority-white schools did better than black students in majority black schools.

The working assumption is that a white cultural environment was conducive to improved performance. Therefore there was a "scientific", if very tentative, justification for a political goal of school integration. Conveniently, it was forgotten that all input measures (like funding) had been shown to be irrelevant.

Therefore the public policy response recommended was to bus black students into white schools, and to some degree vice versa. The policies were driven by politics more than science, such as it was, because the point of Colemans findings were that the schools had to have a critical mass of white students. This was rarely achievable, logistically, even then. But they went ahead with it anyway.

After 50 years and more, of hundreds of schemes, laws, lawsuits, consent decrees, etc., the purpose of the whole thing was entirely forgotten, that of the need for a white critical mass, and the notion of peer effects, which was the reason for it all. Nobody even thinks of a purpose behind it anymore. The justification is usually some hand-waved "equity".

There are many fewer white )(or even Asian) children in public schools these days, making the critical mass requirement for integration impossible almost everywhere.

I was deep into this stuff 15-20 years ago, because SF was in the throes of yet again more inegration schemes. They pop up regularly. SF was busing before Boston btw, my wife was caught up in this, perhaps the very first large scale busing scheme, in 1968. She was bussed to Hunters Point. The denouement was much quieter than in Boston, as the School District (SFUSD) simply lost about 50% of its enrollment in four years. The scheme was then quietly dropped, but it has recurred in various forms, which most people have managed to evade.

Given all this, its interesting that bringing up the "peer effects" argument in US education these days usually brings massive attack. Because of course the implication is that black children have something to learn from white children. But then there are assertions that the gap is caused by socioeconomic factors, or rather social factors inherent to class, in which black children are deficient as they don't learn them from parents or peers. So the attitude is, to put it mildly, schizophrenic.

This one major issue, a fundamental frustration with failures to remedy "the gap", and the schizophrenia about causes and mechanisms, that has poisoned US education, all the way to the top. I'm not kidding about that. The genealogy of even the most modern fads, like complaints about "whiteness", go right back to this source. The rhetoric of the current NYC Schools Chancellor, Richard Carranza, is exactly in line with this lineage. You will find this subtext driving the fundamental philosophies of your Ivy League, and therefore of your leadership in all institutions at all levels.

This is the quest after a "holy grail" that has ruined you.

Bay Area Guy म्हणाले...

When is the next installment of the Democrat clown show?

Well, it's July 30 on CNN.

We have to wait a full month?

At the time, it's painful to watch these hyperventilating idiots blather and yap, but.....

..it's kinda fun to feel their post-debate desperation in the air, of, Holy Shit, we may lose again to Trump with these jokers.

Melissa म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
Jupiter म्हणाले...

Howard said...
"busing is just a reason to open up a wound in Biden."

Hate to agree with Howard, but he's having a stopped-clock moment. This isn't about reinstating busing. There aren't enough white people left to go around. This is just a way to say that Joe Biden secretly hates black people and always has. Remember, it really doesn't matter how you have spent your life. If you are a white person, you are always vulnerable to the unanswerable accusation that you secretly hate black people. And your fellow eat-me-last non-racists will always be happy to pile on.

Michael म्हणाले...

Buwaya
You have it right. As a complicating factor we had at the same time the MalcolmX vs MLK choice offered to the black community: no reason to adopt any of the white culture versus adapt. Most chose the easier gentler path. Thus we still have the acting white curse upon the striving, adapting, blacks and the devolving culture of those hurling the curses. I saw this in real time teaching at an all black college in the Deep South in the late 1960s and early 70s. To accentuate and simultaneously excuse the performance gap Ebonics and multiple forms of teaching that abandoned memorization came to vogue.

Browndog म्हणाले...

I do remember bussing. Growing up in semi-rural Saginaw we weren't under much of a threat, but that didn't stop my dad from his "over my dead body" rant ever so often.

I do remember in middle school a bus pulled up from Saginaw Public Schools full of blacks. Everyone stared. I remember how big they were. Way bigger than us.

I also remember the fear on their faces as they got off the bus.

Bruce Hayden म्हणाले...

“I went to a Chicago private school where Whites, Blacks, Asians and Hispanics freely socialized without racial tensions. What made the difference? We all had similar achievement oriented values.”

And the corollary that violence and physical intimidation are typically not tolerated, since the minute that they are, the parents yank their kids and send them to schools that don’t tolerate it.

We switched our kid when entering 3rd grade to a much closer private school that provided bussing (the previous one was most of an hour each way, and only worked because my kid’s mother worked close to it and her taking a job much closer to home necessitated the change). Three kids met at the intro picnic, White, Asian, and Black. The Black turned out to be a bully. All three got counseling, the two who had been bullied got bully proofing training, while an attempt was made to retrain the bully. And the next two years before middle school, the bully was kept out of the classes with the other two. The bully’s father then got transferred to South America for a couple years, and when they got back, was not welcomed back to the school, despite their size and athletic abilities.

Hagar म्हणाले...

It was not so much about busing black students to white schools and vice versa, as about closing down neighborhood schools and constructing mega-schools on the pattern of medium security state prisons with lots of administrators, special counselors, etc., and, above all, well insulated from those pesky parents.

Michael K म्हणाले...

The genealogy of even the most modern fads, like complaints about "whiteness", go right back to this source.

Oh yes and the hatred of Charles Murray for pointing out that the difference is genetic and not amenable to manipulation of environment. All recent books on genetics have tiptoed around this radioactive fact,

Two recent such books are "Who we are and how we got here." and "Blueprint, " that suggests 50% of behavior is genetic.

Leland म्हणाले...

I appreciate liberty, but sometimes I do wish we could force parents to let their kids ride the school bus, instead of blocking major road ways for an hour as they line up to pick precious. Don't say one damn thing about my carbon footprint as you idle in your Prius with the equal sign and Beto sticker waiting for your kid.

Big Mike म्हणाले...

It's simple, really. For all but the tiniest handful of black people, it is always 1968. Sort of like the South for over 100 years, where it was always July 3, 1963, and if they can follow Pickett, Pettigrew, Trimble, and Armistead over that hill and down to Washington, the war will be over.

But the charge failed, the Battle of Gettysburg was lost, the war was eventually lost, and the South remained a backwards place, where the people nursed their grievances and stagnated. The same has happened with American black people.

dreams म्हणाले...

My youngest brother told me about the time when the elementary school in Bonnieville, ky was integrated and how the first time the blacks got on the school bus they kind of preemptively trashed talked, apparently expecting some resistance from the whites. My brother said he had no intention of giving them a hard time and none of the other white kids bothered them either.

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

We should bus leftists into the middle of the country, so they can find out what real life is like, or get them the hell out of universities and government, known collectively as "pretendland on the dole".

bagoh20 म्हणाले...

Today's busing isn't across town. It's across the border, and all one way. You just better learn to like it, or names will be called.

अनामित म्हणाले...

@temujin

Great point on separate but equal. I am embarrassed to add to Harvard's shames from this spring by posting out that they did make available a separate graduation ceremony for blacks.

अनामित म्हणाले...

For Boston busing search for Louise Day Hicks. Frightening woman.

अनामित म्हणाले...

Power Line raises some good question about Harris busing.

DavidUW म्हणाले...

No one under 60 remembers busing.

Dude1394 म्हणाले...

My little brother never recovered from his forced busing. We lived LITERALLY across the street from his school. So the disgusting politicians decided the way forward was to ship kids into shithole schools. Like pawns on a chessboard. He was never the same after that. He literally got into fights every day with the black kids, dropped out of school eventually and was dead by 42.

My parents, first generation. It raised on a farm trusted the government to actually give a crap about children and trusted the government. To my shame I was out of the house and didn’t realize what was going on.

I wouldn’t spit if someone was on fire who supported that policy. Pretty akin to the communist re-education camps. Screw them.

n.n म्हणाले...

Treating symptoms for a progressive profit. They must believe people... persons are quite green or deplorable.

n.n म्हणाले...

The genealogy of even the most modern fads, like complaints about "whiteness", go right back to this source.

The greatest trick... they recycled "Jew privilege".

narciso म्हणाले...

why, is hicks evil, she didn't want her kids to bussed to Roxbury from southie, say for the good feelings of kevin white, and what was the name of the judge, they didn't have skin in the game,

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

The irony here is that this busing plan kicked back so horribly on the winners of the War of the Southern Rebellion when they tried to use it to keep eternally punishing their defeated foes in the southern states.

The southern states created private schools and lived happily ever after. We actually liked the slave descendants because we had always lived among them, and our new private academies raised our education levels and mostly everybody got along. Meanwhile, in the northern states busing was received as horrible punishment because they could not adjust to this strange African culture they had never learned to live with.

wwww म्हणाले...

"4W doesn't understand what a "base" is."

WWWW's Prediction: Federal busing is not going to be a campaign issue.

Many partisans on the internet mistake Woke Twitter and the MSN for the D base. Woke Twitter & media watchers have been surprised. I've yet to be surprised or miss a prediction. Wokeness is annoying to the majority of people. Don't get confused by the internet/ Woke Twitter/ media hobby horses.

The majority of the D base is for neighbourhood schools close to home. That goes for all races. Busing is not a campaign issue. Kamala may have helped Biden with the majority of the base.

On Biden. He may not be the nominee because he's at 30% and not 35%. No doubt he is a weak front runner. Many candidates have been at 1% at this point, so it's anybody's game. But "wokeness" debates are not going to stop Biden. It will make him more appealing to the base.

narciso म्हणाले...

it's just irony, when he was Obama's running mate, he was considered acceptable, despite having worked with eastland and then helms, the latter's foreign policy judgement didn't rub off on him, he could browbeat bork, and look down on Clarence Thomas, but it doesn't matter anymore,

madAsHell म्हणाले...

Doesn’t busing increase our carbon footprint?

Asking for a friend!

Birkel म्हणाले...

I know!
Let's make kids wake up 45 minutes earlier for school to assuage Leftist guilt for the actions of third parties.
That seems like the perfect sort of social experiment to run using other peoples' kids.

/sarc*

*Was that necessary?

traditionalguy म्हणाले...

Busing is so yesterday. The big issue today is submission to the New World Order's CO2 Hoax Dictatorship or telling the truth about 30 years of UN sponsored faked data and run on faked computer models to issue threats in the name of a fake Science Religion that the world is ending in 11.5 years. They got The Pope, the EU and the ChiComs to agree. Only Trump and Putin laugh at them.

buwaya म्हणाले...

Busing itself is a dead issue for the most part. There really is no effective way to bus anymore, because of demographic change. "White flight" is nearly total and there is rarely any realistic way to force busing on anyone.

Busing really was an episode in this. It pops up from time to time mainly as a legacy reflex. One of many fixes that failed.

"The gap" however still exists, and its persistence and legacy, turned into a sort of religious mania, has done fatal damage. One intractable problem, obsessed over with enormous zeal, has poisoned everything from K-5 to Harvard and the Ivies. And from there the leadership of every American institution.

Education is the most important thing you do as an organized society. People like to blow it off, but it is more important than capitalism vs socialism.

Roughcoat म्हणाले...

Fighting with black kids was a frequent occurrence at the Chicago area high school I attended. The high school was located in a dangerous black neighborhood and walking through it in the dark after football practice was always a dicey and sometimes a violent undertaking. Most of the blacks in my HS were low achievers and a disproportionate number were thugs, and worse. Attending the same high school with them was not an edifying experience. With apologies to Nietzsche, the experience didn't kill me and it did make me stronger but only in the sense that it strengthened my resolved to not tolerate progressive bromides on race. I call bullshit on all of it. On the positive side, it taught me to take people as I found them, individually, black and whites and everyone. And that's a good thing.

Michael K म्हणाले...

Wokeness is annoying to the majority of people. Don't get confused by the internet/ Woke Twitter/ media hobby horses.

Tell that to the activists that populate these debate audiences. You think you are the base. Prove it.

Achilles म्हणाले...

wwww said...

WWWW's Prediction: Federal busing is not going to be a campaign issue.

Many partisans on the internet mistake Woke Twitter and the MSN for the D base. Woke Twitter & media watchers have been surprised. I've yet to be surprised or miss a prediction. Wokeness is annoying to the majority of people. Don't get confused by the internet/ Woke Twitter/ media hobby horses.


wwww is going to vote for one of these candidates.

All of these candidates promised to force American citizens to pay for the health care of illegal immigrants or be thrown in jail.

Every single one.

But the D base really doesn't want that even if they vote for people who say they will do that.

Really.

They don't want it.

They swears it.

Achilles म्हणाले...

Democrat voters don't want open borders. Really they don't

Nor do they support infanticide.

It just seems to happen.

They vote for people who say they will implement those policies but they didn't think it would actually happen.

It's weird.

Rick म्हणाले...

Many partisans on the internet mistake Woke Twitter and the MSN for the D base.

The underlying premise of this assertion is that the "base" is the largest portion of Dem voters. But this is simply not what the term "base" refers to. The base (of either party) is the core membership, the least persuadable, the hyper-partisan. In neither party is the base larger than 10-20% of its votes. The base are activists and those fully engaged in politics. The traditional conflict of in both parties is the choice to appeal to the base or to the majority. Appealing to the base brings money, volunteers, and on the left institutional support. But the cost is appearing extreme to the majority of voters.

The Dem base largely supports Sanders and Warren.

narciso म्हणाले...

The base is also heavily represented in education and media, hence the echo effect.

Inga...Allie Oop म्हणाले...

“WWWW's Prediction: Federal busing is not going to be a campaign issue.”

And you are correct. Not an issue.

Inga...Allie Oop म्हणाले...

“Many partisans on the internet mistake Woke Twitter and the MSN for the D base.”

Correct again.

Birkel म्हणाले...

D base =/= D voters

wwww and Inga are wrong, of course.

chickelit म्हणाले...

madAsHell said...Doesn’t busing increase our carbon footprint?

Not if they used busses powered by cow farts! Or electric busses powered by solar! That would also mean green jobs! Win-win!!

n.n म्हणाले...

30 years of UN sponsored faked data and run on faked computer models to issue threats in the name of a fake Science Religion that the world is ending in 11.5 years

It's based on incomplete, insufficient, really, missing observations, that are filled in with brown matter and energy until it is "consistent with".

Richard Dolan म्हणाले...

Bed-Stuy has been changing demographically for some time, with many millenials moving in. It's not what you think it is or what you remember it was, thanks to Rudy and Bloomy.

अनामित म्हणाले...

“Many partisans on the internet” as well as ALL of the potential Democrat nominees.

Narayanan म्हणाले...

...the court "remedy" Brown v Board was about a black family who wanted their child to go to the neighborhood school but could not because it was the white school...

Was this not in "Jim Crow" south? Where the law I.e politicians set neighbor against neighbor?

Narayanan म्हणाले...

And Marshall et al lawfared it into federal issue. Because Democratic s

Narayanan म्हणाले...

I've asked on previous threads. No response yet

If the schools were segregated - does that mean all white schools had all white teachers and also the other way?

Was there any bussing for the teachers?

अनामित म्हणाले...
ही टिप्पणी लेखकाना हलविली आहे.
wwww म्हणाले...

lol you guys crack me up. You all think federal busing is going to be a major campaign issue in 2020?

Ok, let's go with it. In a year, I'll check back. We can discuss how wrong I was and discuss the major campaign issue of federal busing in the 2020 general campaign.

MayBee म्हणाले...

wwww- no, I don't think it's going to be a major campaign issue. That's why I'm baffled about the idea that Harris "won" the debate by throwing it at Biden.

Birkel म्हणाले...

Narayanan,
You have at least one obvious factual error.
Topeka, Kansas is not in the South.

chickelit म्हणाले...

@MayBee: Harris must win. Now get with the pogram.

chickelit म्हणाले...

Didn't Althouse say that Harris was the NYT's chosen candidate months ago?

Has the MSM ever written a single critical piece about Harris?

Ever??

Bunkypotatohead म्हणाले...

Birds of a feather flock together. Busing them to other flocks won't change that.

Gunner म्हणाले...

SJWs are great at refusing to back down from shit that most people did not want 40 years ago.