Try to explain the psychological structure of these emotions.
You might question the proposition. I'm getting it from articles like "Buttigieg is leaving Beto in the dust/The ninth installment of the Post Pundit 2020 Power Ranking" (WaPo). From the comments there: "Buttigieg's better than Beto's kennedy-look-alike charm!" "[Buttigieg is] Kind of like Beto but with substance," "And maturity," "Buttiegiege definitely surpasses Beto. As someone said, when Beto speaks, it's like there is dance music in his head. Mayor Pete talks substance."
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Being more substantive than Pancho Vanilla is a pretty low bar to borrow a phrase.
Mayor Peter, he's our man. If Peter can't do it, Beto can. I smell Whiteness.
Rent boy good looks vs gigolo good looks.
And the courtesan Kamala is fading fast.
Buttigieg wants to free us from freedom.
With faith and kindness of course.
He is still going to kill millions of people with his policies.
That's what xe said.
-XC
When you have the funeral procession of clown cars filled with leftie candidates like we do this cycle you can’t expect voters to learn everyone’s name. Better to try and differentiate yourself as the best candidate in your gender and ethnic group first.
Dems in March 2019: Beto's the man!
Dems in April 2019: Beto's kind of an idiot...
Yes, you people should DEFINITELY run the country.
Tell me more about how things will be when you're in charge.
More substance that Robert Francis O'Rourke?
Damn!
That's a pretty nasty put down of Buttigieg.
It's like something out of Tigerbeat. Which non theatening, young white guy would make the dreamiest Dem candidate?
Let's say for the sake of argument that Buttigieg is too young and holds too minor an office to be a serious contender for president in a year when the Democrats shouldn't be inclined to throw a Hail Mary pass. But how does he improve his resume to make a credible run for president in four or eight years?
Buttigieg's problem is that he has no good path to higher office. The odds are long against a Democrat getting elected governor or senator in Indiana. If Buttigieg has enough of a following in South Bend and the map of the district cooperates, he might be able to get elected to the House, but where does he go from there?
So that leaves the possibility of burnishing his resume with a cabinet position in a Democratic administration, for as much good as that might do, or becoming vice president, which would be ideal. Perhaps lightning will strike and he'll be at the top of the ticket. But if it doesn't, the second slot would be a real boon to him, though it would probably work for the party only if there's a POC or a woman, or a female POC known as Kamala Harris, running for president. (It's hard to imagine Democrats in 2020 fielding a ticket with two white males on the ticket, even if one of them happens to be gay.)
There isn't room on the counter for two dancers? I've seen it done.
In the Progressive Totem, Mayor Pete, because he is gay, ranks ahead of Beto.
Neither of them are pound-the-table reactionaries like Bernie and Warren and, at times, Kamala and Booker and Gillibrand. Senators are basically B-movie actors.
Beto and Mayor Pete both have somewhat upbeat personalities. So I’d say their personality approach is somewhat the same. Genial and mostly positive. That’s the “same lane” and probably a good approach against Trump. The other Dems have personality flaws worse than Trump’s, except Klobuchar. But she has no personality. She’s basically a non-entity like she is in the Senate.
As for substance, there’s nothing Mayor Pete or Beto are running on except Open Borders and Climate Change Disaster. These are The Issues for Rich White Progressives. . Open Borders is basically another form of Compassionate Conservativism. And Climate Change Disaster undercuts their positive approach. You need the Mad Sciebtist Bernie Approach on this stuff. But that approach is electoral doom.
Mayor Pete and Beto should ditch Clinate Change Disaster and Open Borders. These are losing issues.
Do these people really want to beat Trump?
In the end, whether they are lyrics to a song or the substance of a position paper matters not. They share the same demented statist and SJW core. And that’s why those of us with a center-right or libertarian bent should fear Buttigieg. O’Rourke will be distracted by squirrels. Buttigieg won’t.
A realistic way to handle the Dems Show Debates would be done like the Westminster Dog Show. Each candidate wears a number and their handlers run them around the stage on a leash,
The Breeds would be competing for best in show. But all should earn dog treats.
Mayor Pete and Beto should ditch Clinate Change Disaster and Open Borders. These are losing issues.
Not in the D primaries. They will eventually have to try to return to sanity but it won't be easy,.
Do these people really want to beat Trump?
They want Trump beaten. But that's not the same as beating him.
Do we really want a President Butt-i-gig? Or is it Butt-i-gag?
there was a mayor of Irvine, who was a rare democrat who ran in 1988 I think, seriously this is like candid camera,
It's funny to read those quotes and replace "Beto" with "Biden".
Robert is going for the "I'm really a Hispanic" vote and buttgig is going for the "but I'm gay!" Vote.
This is how you get elected in progressive politics. It's not about your positions. It's about your identity.
Straight white males have zero chance.
I think Dems will go for real gay over fake Hispanic.
He has my vote! I can't wait for his first visit to the middle east, when he will be the first American president to get hucked off a rooftop.
Mayor Pete is young and has a future.
But.
Mayor of South Bend, Indiana (population 100,000) -- Really?
What kinda ego does one have to think he can leapfrog from Mayor of small town to President?
Well, he went to Harvard and was a Lt. in the Navy Reserves. Okay, great. The young man will win most resume' contests. Good for him.
But, President of the United States? Call me jaded, but somehow I doubt it.
Ann, is Mayor Pete your favorite now? I'm a Republican, but would prefer him over any of the ones in the clown car.
I recommend Mccullough's comment above. If I were a Democratic candidate in the primaries right now, I would consider taking the contrarian position vs the field on almost all the issues being discussed by the field. I would dismiss the Green New Deal as bullshit, and do so explicitly. I would be saying that Medicare for all is going to be a fucking fiscal disaster. I would be saying that free college for all is going to be a fucking fiscal disaster. I would be saying that open borders is a disaster for the country and that illegal immigration has to be greatly reduced.
I think such a candidate in the primaries would do better than almost any of these candidate all espousing the exact same policies are going to do in the first 3 or 4 primaries/caucuses. This is how Trump triumphed over the vast Republican field in 2016- to took contrary positions against the field and laid claim to 30-35% of the voters, and this was enough to eliminate everyone else but Ted Cruz, who unsurprisingly was the only other truly contrarian candidate in that field.
You have to find a way to separate yourself from a large field, and you have to do it before the first primary.
Disadvantage: both white male
Advantage Butti is gay
Butti wins over Beto.
B vs P is only a matter of voiced or unvoiced.
Yes, why should there be 17 kinds of deodorant? The mayor of South Bend wants to know!
The way to create freedom for some is to enslave others! That’s freedom! To each according to how we define his needs, and from each according to his abilities, as best we can extract them without using incentives that might make less able people envious.
Atlas Shrugged has to be mocked because it is too close to the truth.
Do these people really want to beat Trump?
You tell us, Chuck, you seem to be on the blast fax list for their talking points.
"Try to explain the psychological structure of these emotions."
Well, they are the emotions of people who want to appeal to not-totally-left women. Pete appeals to the pro-gay side, Beto appeals to the Kennedy sex appeal side. But Pete can more easily reach the emotions of women who want someone serious, not a hack. So the psychological structure of these emotions has to do with the framing of political personas to enable nice women to feel better about their vote and themselves. Since their emotions can swing elections, especially in swing states, this is actually a serious issue, even if at first blush neither candidate seems serious, albeit for different reasons.
"Same niche"
There's the younger, millennial commonality. More then the generational similarity, they are both positive, optimistic and happy. Not sad or depressive or complaining or critical or doomsday-ish. As Chasten Buttigieg said in his twitter feed: "relentlessly cheery 2020."
Beto and Buttigieg are just flavors of the week.
Step 1: Identify the niche occupied by these candidates.
"Fantasy boyfriend."
Notable missing name from that line up....Tulsi Gabbard.....the only true anti-war Democrat. A more cynical person would point out that WaPo is owned by Bezos, who also has a sweet contract with the CIA. But of course that is just conspiracy mongering, isn't it?
As far as seeing Beto knocked-out early, it's like Trump said last night...
"It's like I attacked so violently Pocahontas. And I knocked her out of the race I guess and I said why did I do that for? It's too early."
I see Amy eating salad off a comb; I see Kamala wresting plea deals from endless lines of poor criminals or Republican supporters, turning away from their feeble bumbling attempts at explanation with aloof contempt; I see Beto smiling at me in a charming way and voting everytime against everything I support; I see Mayor Pete listening politely and voting everytime against everything I support; I see Elizabeth Warren dropping open her mouth as if she had a crocodile hinge in her jaw and screaming at me about everything I support; I see Bernie spewing out policies without listening to me at all; I see Biden not seeing me because I'm not a rich donor.
i've been saying for quite some time now, that; No, these people do NOT really want to beat Trump.
They see it's not going to happen, and thus they'll put up the sacrificial lamb ticket of Kamela and Booker. Then, when they Lose; they'll say it was only because of Racism.
But, in reality; they all knew that they had No Chance In HELL.
Just like Trump is hated and abhorred as Reagan was;
Trump is going to be as loved and adored as Reagan was.
Well, they both seem like they're swimming in the shallow end of the Statist Pool. So there's that.
Beto Francisco literally and figuratively eats holy dirt -- that's not a president of even the local dog catcher's union. Mayor Petie -- well he has a service record, that's a plus for sure. But I'm not sure that most of the American public is ready for his "wife" as first whatever.
Whatever their respective fronts -- one the whirring Lycoming engine, the other a calm cool, collected mayor of a tiny city with a notable "wife", both promote the same ideology. So, do you want your Christmas gift wrapped in holy dirt or rainbow paper?
It's interesting that all the "lanes" in the Democratic Presidential race seem to be getting muddled, but O'Rourke is a threat to almost all of them. He's a threat to Biden and Hickenlooper in the "sane white guy" lane, he's a threat to Kamala Harris as a media darling, and the Sanders people just flat hate his guts.
Neither Harris nor O'Rourke are doing well in the Twitter primary. Both are behind Marianne Williamson...
My guess (and that's all it is) is that the media narrative, agreed over drinks in a Midtown Manhattan bar and confirmed by emails and private FB messages, is to treat Buttigieg and O'Rourke as a class, the "younger white males," to distinguish them from older white males such as Biden and Sanders, minority males such a Booker, and all the women.
First, knock O'Rourke down, because he is the bigger threat to those we really want, like Harris. O'Rourke has some national prominence and funding base b/c of his 2018 Senate run, so he could turn into a threat and has to go. Buttigieg has no national name or base and probably will have no legs, we'll take him down later if we have to, but that may not be necessary.
Then, deal with Sanders and Biden once he declares--too old, to male, too out of it, and allude to being too white without quite saying that. Dredge up the old "Bernie Bro" stuff from 2016, and the "Creepy Uncle Joe") stuff if we have to.
That basically leaves Booker and a bunch of women. We like Harris, Warren is showing electoral weakness, Booker is a bit weird but he IS minority.
Oh, Lord. Wake me up in six months when the traffic has cleared a little.
I'll have to admit that I admire the persistence of a gay man with a name like Buttigieg running for president. That takes some guts.
Why should I care? The media does what the media does. They’re both white. Lefties hate that and won’t vote for it (see, i.e. Biden, J. apologizing for his white male hereosexual privilege).
By the way, I wouldn’t have voted for Joe anyway (I think he’s being pushed because Dems think holding positions and titles = experience). But, if I had been inclined to vote for him, he lost me forever with the apology tour. Are white males suppoesd to voluntarily subjugate themselves to leftie Dems of color because ... reasons? Talk about racist.
"As for substance, there’s nothing Mayor Pete or Beto are running on except Open Borders and Climate Change Disaster."
Also true of every other candidate, with minor exceptions. Throw in racial reparations for a couple of others. But the Party's job is to find the most palatable guy/gal to carry out a predetermined program. Individual positions or quirks are for show. Any "substance" shown by any candidate is not really an asset, and may even detract from their suitability.
Buttgieg should put out a line somewhere in the media at some point that sounds like, "and I would like to thank and compliment President Trump for not making fun of my last name of Buttgieg. The restraint he is exhibiting is truly presidential."
It would help Buttgieg seem more serious and mature, which even though he seems to have a some what sober personality, he will have to fight against youthful and inexperienced images of himself given how young he is. It would be a nice little jab at President Trump that would please the Left, without going overboard. Also it would kind of put him and Trump as equals in stature, and get people in the Dem base at least feeling out a Buttgieg vs. Trump scenario.
Why the same psychological niche?
They're both young white guys from outside the usual places who are new to the national stage. So there's that. They're both moderates with flimsy resumes. So there's that. And finally they're both not going to be the next president.
They have so much in common, they're practically the same person.
The Soy Knight Cometh
"People seem to be experiencing Buttigieg and Beto O'Rourke as occupying the same niche."
They share the demographic of being white men from blue college town cities in red states. But even more than that is the underlying sense that they are both running to be Kamala Harris's vice president running mate. Harris can't pick Biden, Bernie, or Booker from the pentad, so it has to be Buttigieg or Beto.
It's more likely that Joe Biden will get the nod and Kamala Harris will end up being his vice president running mate, now that Stacey Abrams has given him the finger. But we don't have to deal in reality yet and Joe is quite capable of losing to Bernie.
Putting on my jaded analyst hat, I don't know if stories like these are evidence that people and journalists naturally group Buttgieg and Beto together. Rather I view it as that people don't like Beto, and by don't like Beto I don't mean they don't like him personally, I mean they don't like him running in the 2020 Presidential primary, and by him running I mean him gaining support and donations that would otherwise go to a different Democrat primary candidate. I don't think those people think of Buttgieg as that alternative. By different primary candidate, I suspect Kamala Harris and possibly Joe Biden, but definitely not Bernie Sanders.
It seems to be that to even experience Buttigieg and Beto O'Rourke is a perversion, sick. That's an experience I can do without.
Neither one warrants much attention at all. In fact, each would be mocked as woefully inexperienced if they were Republican. You know like Obama should have been but wasn't.
Why Beto and Buttigieg! A fine twee pair! Go together like Tippecanoe and Tyler too!
Chuck: "Do these people really want to beat Trump?"
LOL
Why do you refer to your people as "these people"?
What do you mean "experiencing"? Do you mean that the MSM are telling similar lies about them? Is there any other way of "experiencing" these two assholes with too much time on their hands? I mean, aside from electing one of them President and actually suffering through the catastrophic results?
When do we get to find out whether Buttigieg is a top or a bottom? That might help to differentiate them. Who's driving the solar-powered skateboard, down at the Buttigieg Ranch?
Mayor Pete abuses substance.
Perhaps identity politics breeds racism. What do these guys have in common other than race? They seem totally dissimilar.
Do these people really want to beat Trump?
Chuck...the man without a party.
I have no trust in what the WaPoo prints.
" I would consider taking the contrarian position vs the field on almost all the issues being discussed by the field. I would dismiss the Green New Deal as bullshit, and do so explicitly. I would be saying that Medicare for all is going to be a fucking fiscal disaster. I would be saying that free college for all is going to be a fucking fiscal disaster. I would be saying that open borders is a disaster for the country and that illegal immigration has to be greatly reduced."
I have a challenge for the Democrat candidates: Tell the truth, just once, about anything, and see how you do.
Ha! I'm just kidding. They can't do that.
Can we call him Putin's butt boy, or will that suddenly become homophobic and wrong?
Oh, for Pete’s sake! The niche they both inhabit is “handsome young(ish) man guaranteed to appeal to Millennial women and “women of a certain age.”
Mayor Buttigieg is going to be driving all the right people nuts. Should be very entertaining. Pete B has got many qualities Trump doesn’t and the contrast will get even more stark as time goes on. I think Pete B might just be the “dark horse” wwww has spoken of.
Democrats have done well with attractive young men with light resumes like Kennedy, Clinton and Obama. The blanker the slate the easier to fool the regular folk who don't pay that much attention.
Young white guys.
Where's the mystery?
Blogger Yancey Ward said...
I recommend Mccullough's comment above. If I were a Democratic candidate in the primaries right now, I would consider taking the contrarian position vs the field on almost all the issues being discussed by the field.
Andrew Yang.
He isn't really taking a contrarian position as a surrealistic one.
0 digits.
I'd have thought people would view Buttigieg as occupying the same niche as Cory Booker, if you know what I mean. (What? Rhodes scholars.)
I wonder how many of the people swooning over Mayor Pete remember when they thought executive experience at the municipal level was a laughable disqualifier for even the vice presidency, even for a candidate who had moved on from the mayor's office to the governor's.
Sometime I would like the politician derided as “Mayor of Wasilla” to weigh in on the Mayor of South Bend.
OT: When people joke about MSDNC being in bed with the democrat party - it's not a joke at all.
"I think Pete B might just be the “dark horse” wwww has spoken of."
I wouldn't be surprised. But I wouldn't be surprised by several outcomes. It's a fluid field and very early. The Emerson poll wasn't statistically significant because of the sample size. That said, polls are moving. I'd give him a 1 in 5 chance if Biden does not run.
Buttigieg--what a name--will appeal to young millennial women? Are they aware that the plays for the other team?
Pancho Vanilla.
I am totally stealing that. The Mexican in-laws will love it!!!!
Beto appeals to young Millennial women, Buttgieg to young Millennial men. Xe could run together.
“Are they aware that the plays for the other team?”
Is that supposed to matter? Do you think women are looking for a boyfriend, or are looking for Presidential qualities?
Are any Democrat candidates and advisors considering benefits of studying Kim Jong tactics against Trump?
From 1938
Little Pancho Vanilla https://g.co/kgs/y6exLT
At the risk of jinxing the two Democratic candidates who can best compete against Trump in in 2020, Mayor Pete and Beto are the only candidates with a chance. There is no socialistic big spending government tendencies obvious to me about either of these young men. Beto stays away from the socialism topic, told UW Madison students that he is a capitalist . Mayor Pete is the Barack Obama of 2020 because he is far smarter than Obama. He is a deep thinker and his thoughts on freedom and liberty, notwithstanding his erroneous thoughts on an anti-freedom cable guy, are impressive.
It will be interesting to see the in your face homophobia from you people if Buttigeig would become the nominee. We are already seeing hints of it here.
Well, if they start occupying the same bed, I can think of at least one other homo in Petey's house who will be butt-hurt in a fashion different from he's used to.
Inga...Allie Oop said...
“Are they aware that the plays for the other team?”
Is that supposed to matter? Do you think women are looking for a boyfriend, or are looking for Presidential qualities?
Taken as a whole, no, they are not looking for presidential qualities. They’re not looking for a boyfriend, exactly, but that is closer to the mark. They want a nice safe man who will look after them. Being gay makes him safe, so that’s attractive to many of them. I’m sure you’ve noticed this in your own life, among your own female friends.
Of course Inga, if any Repubican had a name that started with “Butt” you guys would of course take the high road. It’s npt because he’s gay, it’s because you guys think that the fact that he is gay, good looking, and a mayor of a small city, he’s qualified to be President of the United States.
Democrats should try a little harder to hear what other people have to say instead of rubbing one out every time you think hateful thoughts about us. People can tell when they are despised. Butt whatever is a big boy, but like you guys were with Obama, you want it to be off limits to mock your candidate. Nobody in North Korea is allowed to mock Kim either, but in the US, we are allowed to mock our leaders.
gadfly - all democratics are socialists now. Big government government whores.
Oh please. Butti is running in part BECAUSE he's gay. Americans don't care about the gay, we have been berated so hard by hollywood. WE must all clap and cheer because of the gay. Americans don't fear homosexuals. Some might mock homosexuality, and so what? Plenty of gays mock Christians and straights and females and this and that all day long. Mocking should not be confused with fear.
A phobia is a fear.
Buttigieg's problem is that he has no good path to higher office.
HUD Secretary.
He could hand out mortgages to poor people to give them freedom from house-hunger or whatever the Dems are calling it this month.
Worked for Cuomo.
gadfly - all democratics are socialists now. Big government government whores.
Do you think he cares, bleachbit? I explained before how “never-Trumpism” is like a frontal lobotomy. It really is.
It will be interesting to see the in your face homophobia from you people if Buttigeig would become the nominee.
Wrong end.
Buttigieg's running for Veep (and has a good shot if one of the coastal women gets the nomination.) I think Beto actually thinks he can be POTUS. Four years ago, I would have said he was crazy.
Neither of those 2 guys will get support from black males in a general election. Probably not much from black females either.
Alas, if only Beto would come out of the closet.
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