"I’ve definitely had some sloppy moves made on me by other actors, and I handled it by walking away. I’ve never had anyone in a position of power make me feel uncomfortable and leverage that over me. In my personal experience I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women in this industry."
The interview is in In Style magazine, which does absolutely no follow-up. Which women? What exactly did they do? Was it mean talk, delivered "energetically," or were there threats or sexual demands? What do you mean by "worse"?
I'd like to go further into this notion that maybe "sloppy" sexual moves by co-workers are forgivable and next to nothing if you just walk away and that what really hurts is something else, something that might not even be sexual, but some other sort of treatment, something women do to other women more than men do to women, but what are the specifics? I'm ready to hear about how women undercut each other and how painful it is when your dreams of sisterhood are punctured, but you've got to expand on "I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women."
Actually, how do you expand on it without being part of the problem of women not supporting other women?
Maybe the interview is edited down and follow-up questions were asked and went nowhere, either because Aniston couldn't come up with any specifics or because she didn't want to talk about it or she or the magazine decided it wasn't wise to mess up the #MeToo momentum with a new focus on how the real problem is other women. But, they did leave that tantalizing sentence in: "In my personal experience I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women in this industry."
The interview as published goes right to a question that seems designed to get the focus back on the badness of men — "Have you experienced sexism in your career?" And, just to make sure: "Do you have hope for change as a result of Time’s Up and #MeToo?"
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८५ टिप्पण्या:
InStyle is an airhead mag so a big expose of how JA navigated Hollywood's Grotto isn't their thing. Time's Up and #MeToo are now light banter coffee talk along the lines of fantasizing about leaving the US because Trump so let's hit it then talk about your new movie, Jen...
Aniston is so right. I would rather deal with an office full of oversexed men than a bunch of backbiting women. There will be no sisterhood until women stop deliberately and forcibly tromping on every other woman in the race to get ahead.
Whether it is the office, dating, motherhood groups, or life, get a group of women together and at least one of them will be treated like crap.
I've been treated in a grossly unfair way in the workplace, but only certain forms of unfairness are worthy of redress or even attention. It's one of those gross negligence vs extremely careless kind of things. I'm pretty sure there are others with sadder stories than mine......I was glad to hear that Jennifer Anniston didn't have to witness Harvey masturbating. That's one of the downsides to having a successful career in Hollywood. By and large, life has treated her very well, and I would not be overly sympathetic to any complaints she cares to make. My stories are much sadder than hers.
A favorite romcom actress, along with Meg Ryan and Julia Roberts.
I don't expect real-life brains in any of them. They're actresses.
Jennifer says: "and I handled it by walking away.
wait a minute? i don't understand this 'walking away' technique ? EVERY OTHER woman in America (as reported in the MSM) had to just sit there and let it happen.
You mean that they could have just walked away? This confuses things
Ms. Aniston sounds like a mature adult who knows how to take charge of her own life.
That is what life is about, not whining about how things are unfair. The world is a very much kinder and gentler place for women and men than it was a few hundred years ago. Most people don't seem to appreciate that.
Jennifer Aniston: #WalkAway. The hashtag is there!
I bet it was just like that
"Showgirls" documentary
women supporting women??? get over it -- I am tired of all these drama queens (an I don't mean just actresses) wanting media attention. Handle your problems yourself, don't trot them out for me to handle.
"A favorite romcom actress, along with Meg Ryan and Julia Roberts.
I don't expect real-life brains in any of them. They're actresses."
You live in your racist & sexist past, old man. The word "actor" has supplanted the word "actress" in common usage. As someone lacking a "real-life brain," you shouldn't disparage people who have talents superior to yours.
Ms. Aniston sounds like a mature adult who knows how to take charge of her own life.
Married Brad Pitt 2000-2005, says wiki. She seems actressy, mature adult-wise.
Actually, how do you expand on it without being part of the problem of women not supporting other women?
Why is this a problem? Are you under the impression men support other men? Do you believe women so weak they cannot compete on the same terms as men?
I've been treated in a grossly unfair way in the workplace, but only certain forms of unfairness are worthy of redress or even attention.
Just about everyone has. That's why women's complaints fall so flat. I think it also does women a disservice. They learn to blame patriarchy (or whatever) instead of learning to overcome a setback by preparing to take advantage of the next opportunity.
All women are actresses. You can't say all women are actors. You need the fuzzy gauze that goes with actress.
Trumpit requries everyone else be wrong so she can be right.
Zhe lacks all charity of the soul as far as I can see.
This is a classic (non gender specific) bitch move to try to grab the moral authority to dictate language to her 'lessers'.
This kind of nonsense needs to be exposed for what it is and shamed accordingly.
You, Trumpit, do not dictate English. That is the purvue of Ms. Althouse on this blog.
But had I heard this in person, I would laugh at you as a fool. Use your imagination accordingly
Perhaps she believes that the person who treated her worst in Hollywood was Angela Jolie.
So women are not innocent victims 24x7x365? Huh. Well that’s a narrative that is going absolutely nowhere, even though all of us know that in real life, of course they aren’t.
I'm fed up with women whining.
Why don't you set an example and be the first to stop, prof?
As long as these movements dictate men as, at best, very suspicious allies that one keeps a gun on, as a man, I am taking a powder from this conflict. You ladi...womyn can do the hair pulling all on your own without my interference.
Shouting Thomas,
Professor Althouse is, compared to most female writers on the subject, actually asking pointed questions of her gender.
So lighten up Francis
“...in my personal experience...”. What other kind of experience would she be able to talk about? Her pretend-experience, when she is in a role and trying to imagine her character’s experience?
I think Ms. Aniston let slip something very important, right there. Given the intensity of actors’ work in character (not just on-stage or on-camera), how can we be sure they can reliably report what happened to them “personally,” rather than to the persona they were working on, and in, when a Harvey Moment allegedly occurred?
Maybe the rules of evidence need revision: the testimony of actors is inadmissible unless corroborated by a real person.
Is it the “move” or the “sloppy” that she walked away from?
"InStyle is an airhead mag so a big expose of how JA navigated Hollywood's Grotto isn't their thing. Time's Up and #MeToo are now light banter coffee talk along the lines of fantasizing about leaving the US because Trump so let's hit it then talk about your new movie, Jen..."
Yeah, well, this comment highlights the problem. Are we talking about sexual harassment or are we not? To do it but not do it is a problem. In or out. But I appreciate getting a scrap of a revelation to speculate about.
Also, let me just say that the photographs of Aniston at the link are inconsistent with #MeToo sensibilities... at least without some subtle explanation (bullshit explanation) about why it's really female empowerment to present this as the idea of how to be attractive. Aniston is 49 years old and posing as if she's... well... not an accomplished woman with a solid ego.
From Cosmo, regarding Aniston on the show 'Friends':
"...But there's one thing that's left fans puzzled about Rachel over the years and that's why her nipples made so many appearances. I mean, they were a bloody delight but she was basically the OG for the #freethenipple movement...
...Fans have come up with their own theories. Many believed the wardrobe team did a Mean Girls and cut holes in Jennifer's bras to make her nipples show through...
...One fan tweeted in 2015: "Did you know that Friends' producers told Rachel and Monica to cut holes in their bras to show their nipples..?"
...Other fans believed it was Jennifer who insisted on taking a pair of scissors to her outfits. A fan tweeted in 2013: "You do know she made wardrobe cut holes in her bras so nips would show..."
...But thankfully, Jennifer Aniston has finally answered the burning question and her answer is pretty flawless.
Asked by Vogue about it this month, she said: "Yeah I don't know what to say about that! It's just one of those things, I guess. I wear a bra. I don't know what to tell ya! And I don't know why I'm supposed to be ashamed of them - it's just the way my breasts are. But hey, OG, I'm not going to complain..."
No, this is not just an excuse to copy-and-paste about Jennifer Aniston's nipples.
This is in context with how actresses are processed in the Hollywood machine, and how the consumers then compliantly consume the celebrity sausage that comes out of the grinder.
It is about how Hollywood sexualizes everything and then coyly denies it. And then coyly plays the 'did-she-or-didn't-she' card in regards to actresses trading sexual favors for employment, for the titillation -- and moral preening -- of the public.
It is also an excuse to copy-and-paste about Jennifer Aniston's nipples.
I am Laslo.
Ms. Anniston is doing semi nude scenes in comedies in her forties.
This does not suggest career confidence period.
We were one more answer from a total flame war between Jen and the women who need to tell their truth about how they weren't white, pretty, privileged or powerful enough to walk away.
Thus, demonstrating Jen's point about other women being more of a problem to her.
"This does not suggest career confidence period."
Is menstruation relevant to this discussion?
I am Laslo.
Are we talking about sexual harassment or are we not?
"Jennifer Aniston talks about sexual harassment in Hollywood" sells magazines.
Even if she's got nothing to report.
"Married Brad Pitt 2000-2005, says wiki. She seems actressy, mature adult-wise."
She got Brad at his best. 5 years of Brad. The other girl got older, sloppier Brad. She's not crying about it or asking us to cry for her. There were no children to suffer, and everyone's rich, and lots of people love her. Meanwhile, Angelina seems woeful and is just as Bradless as Jennifer, but with lots of children to suffer and whatever it was -- not the simplicity of another woman -- that made their marriage go bad. Who knows how smart Jennifer is? I thought she got off some good lines in the interview. " We went to the Rudolf Steiner School, which is one of those arts-and-craftsy schools. It wasn’t big on academics, but I can whittle you a lion out of a piece of mahogany like nobody’s business." It's the specificity of the lion that makes it feel smart to me.
Owen, I think she doesn't want to talk about misbehavior she's heard about from other people, since she didn't speak up at the time. Look what happened to Meryl streep.
"Ms. Anniston is doing semi nude scenes in comedies in her forties. This does not suggest career confidence period."
She keeps in shape and has something to show off, and there are lots of aging women who bond with that sort of thing: You can be 50 and still sexy. You can be 60 and still sexy. The opportunities are endless. You can be 70 and still sexy. You've seen the movies that exist to carry this message. These are roles Anniston can compete for. What are women going to do when they're 70 and 80 and 90? Maybe sit around streaming movies that tell them you're still sexy. (As opposed to: You're still alive.)
I'm ready to hear about how women undercut each other and how painful it is when your dreams of sisterhood are punctured, but you've got to expand on "I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women."
Why do you have to expand on it? Maybe it's not expanded upon because it's not that interesting, or it's assumed the audience already knows what she's talking about. (It's a women's mag.)
Actually, how do you expand on it without being part of the problem of women not supporting other women?
How is "women not supporting women" a problem? The stereotypical shittiness of women to other women is a thing, but a thing is not necessarily a problem that could or should be solved at some political level.
I've had shitty female bosses and co-workers, and I've had great ones. I've had shitty male bosses and co-workers, and I've had great ones. Like Tolstoy's families, the great ones are a lot alike, the shitty ones are shitty in sex-specific ways.
Men complain about their shitty male bosses and co-workers all the time, and the men they're complaining about are shitty in stereotypically male ways of being shitty. But nobody looks at that as A Problem requiring consciousness raising or re-education or whatever. It's a problem, lower case, that is approached "locally", successfully or not, the way the myriad problems of human interaction are usually handled. You learn how to spot 'em, maneuver around them, defend yourself against them. You ain't gonna change 'em.
People are what they are. Women who aren't shitty to other women don't need to be lectured about it, and no amount of lecturing and talking about the "problem" is going to make women who are shitty to other women change. (Because when it comes to their behavior toward other women, they are the least self-insightful people in the world.)
She's probably still under contract with Aveeno skin care products, hence the skin.
"maybe "sloppy" sexual moves by co-workers are forgivable and next to nothing if you just walk away" Well, since ordinary human beings often make "sloppy" moves, or moves perceived as such if the persons involved are not Tom and Gisele, to get to know people they like, umm, more intimately, they are indeed, next to nothing if you just walk away, as, oh, millions and millions of people have done before Jen.
"and that what really hurts is something else, something that might not even be sexual, but some other sort of treatment, something women do to other women more than men do to women" Overtly sexual or not, what women do to other women is to put out, to use their sex appeal to compete. It's the real story of #MeToo.
"I'm ready to hear about how women undercut each other and how painful it is when your dreams of sisterhood are punctured, but you've got to expand on "I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women."" You are ready, and about half a dozen others.
"Actually, how do you expand on it without being part of the problem of women not supporting other women?" You can't. Of course, the question also reinforces the point that few women are ready to hear about how women undercut each other. To hear all about that, enterprising reporters would have to get women to describe how they used sex for advancement. I'm ready to hear about it.
""Ms. Anniston is doing semi nude scenes in comedies in her forties."
Which makes some men in their forties semi erect.
To Dolly Parton: I said, “I don’t know how you do everything you’re still doing.” You old bat.
In the era of #MeToo what could be the purpose of the pictures in the article? I know, women are allowed to be as provocative as they want and men not allowed to be provoked. Perhaps Ms. Anniston remembered the photos when she answered the question, thinking about how the juxtaposition of the I’ve-been-sexually-harassed-of-course answer would look next to the don’t-you-want-to-sexually-harass-me photos. Which means she does have a brain.
I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women
Does she mean that women bring bad energy into her workplace? That would explain the word "energetically" in a new-agey way, which seems to be generally accepted in that world.
I realize it is all assumption on my part, but it seem easy to understand the sloppy comment.
Aniston isn't against flirting. Some seem to think a man shouldn't even show interest in women, lest they be accused of considering raping them. Most people understand that men and women will have interest in each other, but there are ways to do it that keep both sides comfortable.
I suspect Aniston has had a few guys make passes at her that were uncomfortable, because they were "sloppy". I suspect others did it in a way that she found interesting, whether or not she pursued the relationship further. It seems pragmatic to me, if you are interested in romance.
I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women in this industry.
by the JOy Behars of the world.
prairie wind: Does she mean that women bring bad energy into her workplace? That would explain the word "energetically" in a new-agey way, which seems to be generally accepted in that world.
That's the way I read it.
Welcome back Laslo.
We missed you.
LASLO!
"what really hurts is something else, something that might not even be sexual, but some other sort of treatment, something women do to other women more than men do to women"
This interview, pictures included, undercuts a lot of women, in more ways than one.
Is "mild" sexual harassment worse than people being real assholes to you?
Sounds like she is just saying no to that.
"I'm ready to hear about how women undercut each other and how painful it is when your dreams of sisterhood are punctured, but you've got to expand on "I’ve been treated worse verbally and energetically by some women.""
I never had any dreams of sisterhood, so nothing to puncture there. People are people and seeking to bond with them just because we share the same chromosome pattern is a bit silly.
Rage of the Joy Behar celebrity, into your car. Feel the tolerance.
No, Jennifer Aniston does not "have to" expand on anything unless she wants to, and one thing I like about her is that she knows that and won't.
Is "mild" sexual harassment worse than people being real assholes to you?
Sounds like she is just saying no to that.
Most women with good sense would agree with that. Mild sexual harassment can be brushed off. The problem is that if a woman is inclined toward outrage, there is no such thing as mild harassment. Some women seem to look for the harassment so that they can exercise their outrage...and that often makes those women the assholes.
Trumpit snarked:
As someone lacking a "real-life brain," you shouldn't disparage people who have talents superior to yours.
*********************
Why do you assume that rhhardin doesn't have other talents, talents that actors/actresses don't have?
Highly illogical.
And as Will Rogers once said:
"Everybody is ignorant, only on different subjects."
But not omniscient you, I take it.
I’m seeing some encouraging comments from the Gen Xers like Chris Rock, Dave Chappelle and Jennifer Aniston. It’s funny to me that they are subtly - or not so subtly - pushing back on the wokeness hysteria.
Anyone who has spent 5 minutes studying human nature would understand that #metoo would collapse under the weight of its excesses - you can’t expect good things to happen when you hand a segment of the population the power to ruin people with 10+ year-old allegations without that quaint “due process” and “presumption of innocence.”
Aniston navigated Hollywood for 2 decades to: (a) make millions, (b) become hugely famous, (c) marry Brad Pitt and she still looks good and seems reasonably intelligent and thoughtful in so doing.
Sounds to me like win, win, win, win.
“Who loves ya, baby?”
Wasn’t Telly Savalas her uncle?
EDH said...
“Who loves ya, baby?”
Wasn’t Telly Savalas her uncle?
Seriously? Way cool.
Wasn’t Telly Savalas her uncle?
He was her Godfather.
#MeToo only matters as a distraction to woo you away from any focus on Weinstein or Bill Clinton.
Fun to juxtapose her saucy pics with:
MM: Yes! For starters you have this new movie coming up, Dumplin’. You play an ex-pageant queen, and you do it beautifully. Did you ever want to be in a beauty pageant when you were younger?
JA: That’s hysterical. No. Do you know what I looked like as a kid? The truth is, that’s all changing now. That’s what this movie is all about. It’s about redefining beauty and how we as a society interpret what beauty is. I love that the Miss America pageant is going to get rid of the swimsuit competition altogether.
MM: Me too. I’m sure my daughter will be shocked when I tell her that was actually a quantifiable form of judging women in my lifetime.
JA: Definitely! You know, a swimsuit body is a body in a swimsuit, no matter what that body is. It’s time to just stop thinking beauty is in the shape of a size 4 and the right butt size and the right waist size and the right measurements. It’s just old. We’ve done it. We’ve been there. Let’s move on.
By the way, her makeup in the Style pics is methinks hideous..she usually doesn't mess with her eyes with all that Goop. Glam trashy isn't her schtick.
Laslo, in a different Althouse discussion, fake nips available via Amazon (Althouse's of course) popped up.
Nobody asked me but I'll bet that this woman has been on more magazine covers than anyone else in history.
"It's the specificity of the lion that makes it feel smart to me."
No, it's the specificity of the mahogany.
I finally went to the article. Only one of those pictures looks like Jennifer Aniston. The others look like someone who's best friend told her she looks like Jennifer Aniston, but she doesn't.
"JA: Definitely! You know, a swimsuit body is a body in a swimsuit, no matter what that body is. It’s time to just stop thinking beauty is in the shape of a size 4 and the right butt size and the right waist size and the right measurements. It’s just old. We’ve done it. We’ve been there. Let’s move on."
She's only saying that because she is that body.
I've worked with or been friends with any number of women professionals who say that all things being equal they find women to be much worse bosses than men--not in every case, but if all you know is gender, pick the man.
I've worked for roughly equal numbers of men and women (I am male) and haven't noticed a pattern one way or the other--which may suggest there's a woman-woman thing (my wife used to say there was often a competition to determine who was the "alpha-bitch" in the room), but my sample size is way too small to call this anything other than anecdotal.
Thisis the best JA cover of all time! All time!
"I’ve definitely had some sloppy moves made on me by other actors, and I handled it by walking away."
"Genius!"
"Acting!"
"Brilliant!"
"Thank You!"
“... when your dreams of sisterhood are punctured....”
Seriously, Althouse?
Blogger Martin said...
I've worked with or been friends with any number of women professionals who say that all things being equal they find women to be much worse bosses than men--not in every case, but if all you know is gender, pick the man.
This has been true of nurses I've known for many years, When I talk to a male nurse, or a man considering nursing school, I tell them that, if they have a BSN, they will move into management as quickly as they want to.
Laslo Spatula said...
""Ms. Anniston is doing semi nude scenes in comedies in her forties." Which makes some men in their forties semi erect.
LOL cheers to Laslo!
JA still has great legs. I was surprised the interviewer didn't ask for Jen's exercise routine. Oddly, there's another interview with Aniston over at the Daily Mail, Jennifer-Aniston-49-reveals-new-intense-workout which has many of the same quotes but is a lot less focused on being "alluring" and more focused on Aniston's exercise routine. If the idea was to attract a guy, which article would be more successful and why?
I did not like "Friends," though. It was too kitchy and boring. Not even close to "Seinfeld."
But, now, 20-years post Friends, they couldn't make a show like that. Not enough sexual harassment speeches, defiant female, gay rights activists, black neighbors, etc, etc.
I think it's pretty obvious that there are a lot of ways to treat a woman worse than a poorly executed attempt at flirting or romantic approach, which are at their basis a compliment and a validation of what nearly all women make great effort to achieve: attention and desirability in the eyes of men. It's dishonest to start from a premise that this is some kind of evil, unless we are also willing to blame women for attempting to bring forth that evil . I'd prefer not being so puritanical about blaming either sex for being influenced by their basic nature. It needs to be controlled, but it's not the end of the world if someone innocently fails at it with no real harm being done. Imagine if men were offended at the sight of cleavage or a thigh with similar professional and legal power behind it. Adults should be able to handle less than stellar professionalism or perfect separation of the personal and professional.
So what is worse: a colleague asking you out on date, or a one calling you a whore to other colleagues or otherwise trying to underhandedly compete professionally or maybe even compete for that date?
Most of the managers and supervisor in my company are women, becuase over time they just happened to perform in a way that got them that responsibility, but the women under those women complain far more about them than they do about men superiors. The men under those same women complain far less about them. Male employees generally have a different set of negative issues, but not getting along with their boss is far more an issue with the ladies. There are always issues with how people say things, who is getting preferential treatment, and all that, which is just less of an issue with the men for whatever reason.
"... what nearly all women make great effort to achieve: attention and desirability in the eyes of men." --
That's a pretty strange assumption to make of women at work, especially considering the fact that women actually dress up for other women."
I remember when feminism first turned up at work. On of the clerks, whose name I may remember just too late, came to work in a white blouse and no bra, nipples clearly visible.
The got a spontaneous round of applause exiting the company cafeteria at breakfast.
A guy I was eating with said, Oh God, she'll be impossible all day. I have to work with her.
Still don't remember her name. Hot but slightly innocent-looking babe.
A programming lady (Kathy) said, amazed, "You can see right through it." Feminism was new.
Nobody asked me but I'll bet that this woman has been on more magazine covers than anyone else in history.
You lose to Princess Died.
" women actually dress up for other women."
This is the common refrain, which I claim is only fractionally or tangentially true. They dress in ways that are clearly designed to increase sexual attraction to men. The only way they do it for other women is in terms of proving they are attractive to men as in validating their femaleness or competing on it. Not in all cases, but most of the things women do to look good are things that make them more sexually attractive to men - things that make them look like prefered mating material: breast accentuation, cleavage, short skirts, tight clothing, accentuating buttocks, waist, and legs, clear skin, enticing hair. Women just don't want to admit that is what they are doing, just as men will rarely admit that they fantasize about having sex with nearly every woman they encounter. We all pretend that we are above it all.
The solution is to work in in a field that women can't or won't do. The problem is Nancy boys get hazed out quick, then you cucks have to crawl back to Mommy to be comforted by her milk and cookies.
Clockwise from top left: Sina Edalat, Poria Edalat, Ali Badkoobehi and Saman Edalat (Las Vegas Metropolitan Police Department)
Dentists!
The Daily Mail managed to get 4 separate "articles" from this interview, plus one about Theroux. They must think she still has it.
bagoh20: "I'd prefer not being so puritanical about blaming either sex for being influenced by their basic nature. It needs to be controlled, but it's not the end of the world if someone innocently fails at it with no real harm being done."
This should be a PSA or on a frackin' billboard. I use the term "Victorian Totalitarianism" to describe the utterly repressed way we are supposed to act while at work, god forbid you mention (sex). Life can throw all sorts of complex problems at you that may seem hopeless to solve, or you can find yourself in downright tragic circumstances, but by god having your ass pinched or being ogled at work is THE WORST. I'd ask a few members of my gender WHY, WHY is conflict of a sexual nature so terribly tramatic to one that is supossed to be capable of breaking glass ceilings etc...but I know I'd never get a decent, honest answer.
"Have you experienced sexism in your career?"
Well, considering that her entire career and her success is based on being a pretty girl with nice hair ... what would you call that? Meritocracy?
"most of the things women do to look good are things that make them more sexually attractive to men"
Those are the things men focus on, but women do a hell of a lot of crap that (I believe) men don't care about at all. I mean, if you waved a magic wand and all the earrings in the world disappeared tomorrow, would women be even .01 percent less attractive?
"Well, considering that her entire career and her success is based on being a pretty girl with nice hair"
Don't forget nepotism. Her father is actor John Aniston -- Victor Kiriakis on Days of Our Lives since 1985.
That said, she's a good comedic actress.
"You lose to Princess Died" I doubt it. Think it through. Aniston has been very popular for twenty five years, and is still often on magazine covers. Princess Di is literally over and done with (and for quite some time too).
bagoh20 views women and judges them based on certain features: "breast accentuation, cleavage, short skirts, tight clothing, accentuating buttocks, waist, and legs, clear skin, enticing hair." IDK, is he college aged or an old sleezebag? He believes something about women and everything he sees confirms what he believes. I'm reminded of what Henry Ford said, “Think you can, think you can't; either way you'll be right.
Apparently he sincerely believes that if a woman chooses to be healthy and stay in shape she isn't doing that because she wants to stay healthy and to feel great, she's only doing that to be attractive to men. That's quite an assumption and POV. A man who truly believes that womens' attractiveness is aimed to gain male approval might also believe he's entitled to a woman in some way. A fellow like that might be the classic male chauvinist or stalker or angry incel.
IDK how has bagoh20 has completely avoided seeing any sophisticated, educated women who wear expensive, well tailored elegant clothing at work. Maybe he's only worked on an assembly line or adult entertainment or some such profession?
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