Racist, homophobic and misogynistic tweets that Milwaukee Brewers reliever Josh Hader sent in 2011 and 2012 surfaced as he pitched in Tuesday night’s All-Star Game at Nationals Park, turning his appearance into an embarrassing stain for Hader and a public-relations nightmare for Major League Baseball.The weird thing is that those old tweets hadn't been deleted before last night. Really, that's inexplicable. The team's management is inept not to notice and attend to that sort of thing. It took giving up a 3-run homer in the All-Star Game to get anyone interested enough to look into his social media. It's some kind of measure of how unimportant and important social media is. What a screw-up!
After Hader surrendered a three-run homer in the eighth inning, several Twitter users — starting, it seems, with an account named MLB Insider Dinger — found and retweeted messages Hader sent as a 17-year-old. The tweets included numerous uses of the n-word and an allusion to “white power” next to an emoji of a closed fist. One tweet read only, “I hate gay people.” Another referenced wanting women only for sex, cooking and cleaning....
Hader discovered that the tweets had surfaced after he exited the game.... When the National League clubhouse opened to media, Hader was standing alone at his locker, his blond hair pulled into a bun. Reporters surrounded him. A public-relations official asked reporters to wait. Another PR man said to the other: “Give it a second. We got a couple more [reporters] coming. We got a bunch more.”...
Before the game ended, Hader had deleted his old tweets and locked his account. He said he would accept any suspension or punishment.... “I’m ready for any consequences for what happened seven years ago,” he said. “Like I said before, I was young, immature and stupid. There’s no excuses for what was said or what happened.”...
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The All-Star Game was not a good event for the Milwaukee Brewers.
I didn't watch the game. I don't like the All-Star Game, so I only checked out the National Anthem and left. I prefer normal games, but I was interested enough to see how the Brewers performed. I found this in WaPo:
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The n-word. How awful for major league baseball.
Wm. Empson mocked state department horror, when some foreign potentate visited London with his mistress, and somebody remarked how awful for the foreign office, and Empson wondered how anybody could take that seriously.
Recreational outrage.
Entertainment drives the internet. Not moral anything.
They'll start a gofuckme page for him.
Lot of homeruns in last night’s games. Nice for the fans.
By now, everyone runs such incidents through their "What if the races were reversed?" internal program. It doesn't ever seem to solve anything or bridge divides, but the program launches automatically, like an online video ad.
Maybe he is a secret agent working for the American League. Either that, or the Russians hacked his Twitter and they wanted him to let the American League to win.
I blame Joey Votto for dropping the popup for an error and keeping Jean Segura's at bat going.
He tweeted this when he was 17? Please, 17 year olds are stupid. They're trying out everything. They're still young, their brain is still developing in major ways, they're still meeting new and different people. What people put out on social media when they're 17 has very little relevance to the person they've become in the 7 years since then.
Thankfully, most of us are not being held accountable for what we said--or did--when we were 17.
The Seattle Mariners [still my team] did themselves proud although Diaz was uncharacteristically wild and almost lost the game.
Astros Bregman and Springer made the best of it with back to back HRs on consecutive pitches leading to a MVP for Bregman and the game winning RBI for Springer.
So thankful digital cameras, Instagram, and the internet weren't around when I was 17. Then, only friends and various onlookers knew of our stupidity, now long forgotten.
One of the primary jobs of parenting now is to prevail upon kids that things they do and write can now exist forever if they use social media.
Still waiting for the media to discover black twitter. You just wouldn't believe. Stuff that sends the media to defcon 5 when a white person does it happens 10s of thousands of times a day on black twitter.
I worked as a school teacher in an inner city school teaching refugees and immigrants. Every other word from the students and some staff was the "N" word. As in: "Hey nigga' give me a pencil" and numerous iterations of same. Administration refused to put a stop to it. I lived a professional work life of the "N" word from the moment I arrived stepped on campus until the moment I left campus.
Ah yes, a theme this morning... the mob mentality. Against Trump, Jumping on the word Treason, chasing another person out of a job because he said nor did something in the past ...
The left and the media (BIRM) has become so mob-like that it feels like “high school on steroids”. Cant sit at the cool kids lunch table unless the popular group accepts you! Do or say anything the popular kids don’t like at this moment and you’re shamed and teased and bullied into oblivion. Ugh
So Old Testament... OMG you sinned! You’re out of the tribe! Exiled! Henceforth you much call out “unclean unclean” everywhere you go so us good people will know you’re coming and give you a wide berth so as not to be infected.
*must .. not “much”
What might be "important" about the social media use of 17-year-olds?
Other than giving progs an opportunity to preen and posture, that is.
They fight. I'll give 'm that.
The article says he touched and spoke to an n-word without prior written permission, so clearly this uppity white boy still hasn't learned his lesson.
I want the accounts of the reporters when they were 17. Just what stupid and foolish things did they tweet?
Hader has, of course, apologized, but that, of course, will not be sufficient. He did a dumb thing at age 17 (God knows, 17 year old jocks never say anything racist, homophobic or misogynistic) so he must be punished forever. Fans at the game who were wearing his jersey turned it inside out so his name didn't show. His parents were shamed. He committed the worst crime imaginable - using the N word - and there is no forgiveness for that.
He went from being one of the Crew's brightest stars to pariah in a matter of minutes.
I'd suggest it's not the team's management that should have scrutinized his Twitter feed and cause it to be sanitized, but rather the player's agent or manager. If the team knows of racist and homophobic tweets, it's in the uncomfortable position of either having to discipline the player or be part of the coverup.
Hader is off his Rocker.
The n-word is mightier than the s-word.
Who cares? The people who are pretending to be outraged by this are mostly not baseball fans anyway. If MLB is smart, it will ignore the whole thing.
All of this ridiculous social media outrage over one thing after another persists only because people who should know better are intimidated by it.
If I were the Brewers I'd dump him to the Rockies (the team with the smallest Afro-American fan base) right away!
b-word bigger
d-word digger
f-word figger
j-word jigger
r-word rigger
offense nigger = somebody who takes offense at everything
just a proposal.
So Old Testament... OMG you sinned! You’re out of the tribe! Exiled! Henceforth you much call out “unclean unclean” everywhere you go so us good people will know you’re coming and give you a wide berth so as not to be infected.
You're right that it's real, that it's ancient, and that it's here now. But you're wrong that it ever left. It comes from wherever the cultural power is.
If someone around me says "white power," "I hate gays," and "women are only good for cooking and cleaning," I'm not going to argue with them; basically I'm going to write them off, and do what I can to close doors and limit opportunities for that person. I won't suggest them for a promotion, I won't introduce them to family and friends. I won't patronize their business, and I'll talk shit about them to other people.
This is the stuff of "being offended," this is the meat of it. Everyone gets offended by shit all the time, conservatives most of all. They'll get offended by your fashion, offended by your skin. Offended by the way you talk, offended that you don't support the troops. And then quietly write you off and shut you out. This is the way of the world.
Hader's feelings from way back in the Obama era are some outgroup shit; It's going to be bad for you to say that stuff in public. In fact, in most organizations (which is why this embarrassing for the Brewers), it's going to be bad for you to even believe it and not say it. People can tell, and they'll just think to themselves, "ah, one of them. fuck that guy." Just yesterday, some jackass in the gas station was gloating to the clerks about the failure of feminism, how it has only "made the crime rate soar". Who even cares about "correcting him" with the FBI statistics or whatever. You could just see it in the faces of the others: bored, offended grins, and fuck that guy.
Sometimes its not fair, but It's definitely not new. It used to be that not hating queerness was the offensive thing. So that's why I don't find it scary, or repressive. It's just a numbers game, and thankfully, the "conservatives" are losing.
An old fart with no need for society, can sit around (offended, but impotent) on the computer coming up with "offense nigger." But if you care about your place in the world, I'd try not internalize that.
Char Char for the win!
offense nigger = somebody who takes offense at everything
"N-word" is fun to read because it sounds like something from kindergarten - kids whispering about how they're gonna report Josh to the teacherette - but reading it as "N minus word" is even funnier.
Everyone gets offended by shit all the time, conservatives most of all. They'll get offended by your fashion, offended by your skin. Offended by the way you talk, offended that you don't support the troops. And then quietly write you off and shut you out. This is the way of the world.
That's cultural conservatives. Fiscal conservatives are offended by economic stupidity and the mob's susceptibility to it.
Fiscal conservatives don't care if you stand for the anthem and wonder why it's played at all.
"If someone around me says "white power," "I hate gays," and "women are only good for cooking and cleaning," I'm not going to argue with them; basically I'm going to write them off, and do what I can to close doors and limit opportunities for that person. I won't suggest them for a promotion, I won't introduce them to family and friends. I won't patronize their business, and I'll talk shit about them to other people."
He was 17, for Christ's sake. He didn't tweet those dumb comments out last week. Some vindictive asshole hung on to them and ambushed him with 7 year old comments.
I would guess you don't write off people who tweet out that Trump should be killed and white people should die.
Because you're a sanctimonious hypocrite.
Yeah, fiscal conservatives too. If you want to see everyday, common, boring offense in action, mention that you think taxes should be higher on the upper-middle class in your job interview.
There's nothing weird or scary about it. It's how everything has always worked. Among business owners, low taxes are sacred. Among 21st-century decent Americans, the equality of the races is.
Does anyone else remember Eeny meeny miney moe....?
When we used this choosing device on the elementary school playground we were gently corrected by the teacher on duty but, honestly, we really weren't being racist. I never heard the n-word used at home and didn't really apply any meaning to it. It was just something we said.
As a second-grader I started drawing a swastika on the upper left-hand corner of my assignments, having seen the symbol somewhere and thinking it looked cool. I was not a Nazi. But, were I to run for office, someone would probably dredge up both of these hateful acts to disqualify my candidacy.
When Yuli did the slant eyes after hitting a homer off Yu in last years Series there was some SJW outrage. But Yuli is from Cuba and Yu is from Japan. Yuli and Yu didn’t make a big deal of it because most of the world isn’t hysterical about this shit like 29% of the US.
There aren’t as many American blacks in MLB compared to 30 years ago. Sport just isn’t as popular with American blacks (it’s a game often passed from father to son and the black father isn’t around as much as he was 40-50 years ago). But there are a lot more international players, including blacks from Cuba and the DR. But growing up, most kids don’t play against international players. Baseball is mostly a white sport in the US amateur level, especially at the NCAA level.
More on my mind is Who thought miking players in the field for a 'real-time' conversation with the ever-annoying Joe Buck was a good idea? It's bad enough they wire up managers in the dugout. Mike this.
I do have kids. We apparently have differing opinions on what can be expected of a 17-year-old, but If one of them used the computer to announce to the world that they were a white supremacist, I'd explain to him exactly what I'm saying to you. If you say stupid shit, people are going to think you're stupid. If you say cruel or immoral shit, people are going to think you're cruel and immoral. They'll hold it against you, until you've convinced them otherwise.
This is basic personal responsibility. Conservatives have traded it in for a fantasy that offending people doesn't have consequences.
Did the stark difference between MLB players actions and reactions during the opening ceremonies compared to those of NFL players go completely unnoticed?
That's it! All tweets and social media posts for all MLB players and front office staff made public - NOW!
Cut Hader some slack-at least all he did was hate gays and blacks- it isn't like he disparaged the work of our fine upstanding intelligence agencies.
Tweets are public - ALREADY!
Roost,
If one of them used the computer to
Oh, say, defy you? Take the piss out of you (a considerable endeavor)? Get back at you for making him clean hisbroom?
Would you kill him yourself, or just doxx him to all his friends and to the colleges he wants and to future employers?
Or if all that happened without you, would you mind, or would the little wrongthinker have it coming?
Color judgments (i.e. diversitist), political congruence ("=") or selective exclusion, and male chauvinism (i.e. masculinism). I wonder where they, the player and WaPo, stand on individual dignity, intrinsic value, and equal (not "=").
The Brewers should issue a statement: "Everybody does and says stupid things when they're a teenage. Case closed." That will help put an end to this "gotcha" mentality.
"N-word" is fun to read because it sounds like something from kindergarten
H E double hockey sticks YESSSS!!!
Major League Baseball should ignore this bullshit, but I can pretty much guarantee you they won't. Hader will have to be crucified for a bit, then further crucified by being made to do public penance by groveling before the media that wouldn't be qualified to sniff his jock strap.
Hooray for Hader! Hip Hip Hoo-Rayyyy...errr, Hate Hader! Hate him! Hate him! Hate him!
When I was a college student, I carried a Nazi Party card in my wallet.
No, I wasn't a member. I found the card in the street (in Chapel Hill, N.C., btw, a liberal bastion) and kept it as a joke.
Thank God nobody cares about me now.
I guess if Althouse was in charge of MLB, she would make it part of MLB's training camp: "Work on that slider, Buck! Dean! Get down and give me 20! McKelvey, clean out your social media of n-words!"
High school jocks are significantly jerkier than the average high school jerk. This sounds stupid but it isn't monstrously, off the wall stupid. It's just stupid. His dismount from the statement was done well. The apology was appropriate and sufficient. Let it go.......What I find to be malicious, premeditated and monstrously evil is waiting for his appearance in the All-Star game to spring this on him. Media figures who wish to fan the flames should keep this in mind. They're playing a far more hateful game,
So, he was 17? And must now pay the piper for impure thoughts?
Keep pushing it, leftists. Keep up your thuggish, mob-like actions and deeds.
One of these days you're going to screw with the wrong person or persons. And you'll have no idea what hit you.
Everyone gets offended by shit all the time, conservatives most of all.
We're not the ones driving the Outrage Machine, boy.
The really offensive thing was that his blond hair was pulled into a bun.
Roost said
"basically I'm going to write them off, and do what I can to close doors and limit opportunities for that person. I won't suggest them for a promotion, I won't introduce them to family and friends. I won't patronize their business, and I'll talk shit about them to other people."
You might try associating with a better group of people. So you're not offended so much. Then you won't have the need to give those people so much power over you or allow them to drain your energy like you've described above. I don't understand that mentality. And I'm conservative.
Roost:
There's a big difference between a parent telling a 17 year old that his dumb-ass comments are dumb and will have consequences, and the public at large judging a 24 year old for the dumb-ass things he said at 17. One of my friends was a committed communist, or near abouts, when he was in college, but he's since grown up.
Your kid says something stupid on social media and doesn't get to be class president, or doesn't get the high school job he was hoping for, sure, that's fine, that's an appropriate consequence. Nobody here has argued otherwise. But to penalize a grown man 7 years later for the stupid stuff he said or did at 17, no. I disagree with doing that.
You might try associating with a better group of people.
Nah, for any one person, myself included, its pretty rare, and not much mental burden. Maybe I overstated it by ponderously listing the consequences. It's more like it wouldn't even occur to me to make friendly gestures toward someone who seems like an asshole. But I do think it's a commonplace thing, and it only gets called "being offended" and vilified by a certain strain of online discourse. It's nothing special or especially threatening, was my point.
It's a totally natural thing for people to think less of a person who publicly posted a sign that said "White Power" and "I hate gays". If people believe his apology, then they won't think less of him, and that's fine too. If someone tells me that he had nothing to be sorry for, or that he is being unfairly "crucified", well, like I said, it's not big mental burden.
PatHMV:
I mean, it really depends on the stupid stuff. "White Power" is a violent ideology, and maybe he "grew out of it" and maybe he didn't. If I'm running an organization that relies on him being popular, I'm going to want to make sure people think he did, even if the thing that made people suspect it is seven years old.
And yup, posted in 2011, although it was still up last week, under his grown-up twitter bio, real easy to delete. I think if his teammates believe him, that's strong evidence in favor of letting it go. But the stuff is date-stamped; it's not like the people who hold it against him now are confused about the timeline.
If I'm a fan, maybe even a 17-year-old black fan, I don't know how much "he was only 17" is going to win me back over. Maybe that 17-year-old doesn't want to live in a world where the kids who call him that in public get to be millionaires in 7 years. And if he doesn't forgive him, well, that seems fair, too.
Conservatives have traded it in for a fantasy that offending people doesn't have nsequences.
7/18/18, 11:04 AM
It will undoubtedly cripple the self-esteem of women, blacks and gays to know that a 17 year old future pro baseball pitcher said mean things about them, which included quoting rap song lyrics. They'll be scarred for life, life, I tell you! They'll experience severe trauma when they see Hader throw a 98 mph fastball. The Brewers should create a Safe Space at Miller Park so triggered fans can go color and play with Play Doh while Hader is on the mound.
I'm a woman and I'm more offended by the fact that Hader gave up a 3 run home run last night than I am about the silly musings of an immature boy.
Hader's non-white teammates have tweeted out their support of him. Yeah, I know it's PR, but if I was a black teammate of Hader's I wouldn't come to his defense if I thought he still was, you know, an actual racist.
But it sure is nice that Moonbat here feels all outraged and self-righteous and noble for taking greater offense than his teammates (the guys who actually spend a lot of time around him)do.
"It's a totally natural thing for people to think less of a person who publicly posted a sign that said "White Power" and "I hate gays"
I'd think less of him if he posted it last week. The only people I think less of are the preening leftist Outrage Police like you - and I didn't think my regard for them could go any lower.
So MLB is now mandating he undergo sensitivity training.
I'm curious what sort of time machine he'll be using.
Jim wins.
I, too, would like to see this time machine, so I can sell it to Big Red up at Shawshank, so he doesn't have to go through that Parole Board farce every damn year.
I'd like him to explain both his comments and any change. Was he using these terms ironically mocking their offensiveness or did he believe them. If the latter why?
So in 2010 someone tweeted "KKK" as support? Seriously?
""basically I'm going to write them off, and do what I can to close doors and limit opportunities for that person. I won't suggest them for a promotion, I won't introduce them to family and friends. I won't patronize their business, and I'll talk shit about them to other people."
You actually find the time to do all of that despite the hours you spend preening in the mirror and sniffing your own fragrant flatulence? You're an even more impressive human being than you clearly want us to think you are. I'm so glad you're doing the important work lesser mortals are too sheepish to do.
Denial persists with diversity. Judge people by the "content of their character".
I've ceased to care about offensive tweets. Apparently I am not allowed to be offended because of my categories, so I don't really care if anyone else gets offended either. Not that I send out offensive tweets because (a) my Mom taught me better than that and (b) I never signed up for Twitter and never will.
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