When you see the headline "Trump caught on tape: Get me a Coke, please" — at CNN — you may think slow news day but this is a very entertaining segment by Jeanne Moos — who has "carved out a niche with her off-beat, thoughtful reporting on the quirkier aspects of life." She strikes a nice tone and I think it works for Trump lovers and haters and — there are some of us — agnostics.
There's so much heavy, mean stuff out there. This piece is — to use Coke's 1929 slogan — The pause that refreshes.
I'm giving this my "getting used to Trump" tag, because this really is normalizing Trump. You wouldn't do a cutesy piece about how Hitler drank soda. I pause to google "did hitler like coke" and got "How Coca-Cola became Hitler’s drink of choice."
पोस्ट्स
१२४ टिप्पण्या:
Pepsi was Manchmal Pause.
In "One Two Three" (1961) Cagney plays a Coca-Cola exec in West Berlin. Hilarity ensues.
The Putsch that refreshes.
The movie Max (starting John Cusack) about early Hitler as an art student contains the weirdly jarring line, "Hey, Hitler, c'mon, I'll buy you a glass of lemonade."
Oh boy, they'll have hell to pay for this! How dare CNN humanize Trumpler!
@tcrosse
Yes, one of the great forgotten movie comedies. Saw it as a freshman in college in '62...still had half of Berlin strewn w. bricks from WW II bombing..
My favorite part is when he said, "I do solemnly swear that I will faithfully execute the Office of President of the United States, and will to the best of my Ability, preserve, protect and defend the Constitution of the United States."
@tcrosse
Yes, one of the great forgotten movie comedies. Saw it as a freshman in college in '62...still had half of Berlin strewn w. bricks from WW II bombing..
“The pause that refreshes” was 6.5 ounces in those days, not 44.
“The last 6.5 oz glass Coke bottle, an icon of the 1950s and a relic of slimmer American waistlines, rolled off the bottling line in Winona, Minnesota, on Tuesday.”
(October 10, 2012 Daily Mail)
CNN can't go out of business fast enough.
A demur hint of cleavage and a coverd armpit. Hubba hubba.
Things go better with Trump.
Life is just more fun when you you refresh.
And Trump refreshes you best.
He's the refreshingest.
Since the Hitler theme is in play. . . in law school I interviewed with an Atlanta law firm -- Kilpatrick & Cody (since merged) -- that did a lot of work for Coca Cola in the 30s (Coke's HQ being in Atlanta!); Coca Cola (I think the story goes) wanted K&C not to assign any Jewish attorneys to the account because of Coke's heavy movement into Germany (its first successful international expansion; Coke's collaboration with the Nazis is an embarrassing part of Coke's history). K&C told Coke a legally polite version of fuck off and lost the gigantic Coke account; it became the proudest moment in the firm's 100+ year history. I almost went to K&C; it seemed like a great place to work.
I like the fact that Trump said please. How dare she humanize him.
Article 27 of Impeachment:
“....he further demanded in an intemperate voice that a subordinate drop her well-established duties, and bring him a carbonated beverage without saying please and without inquiring into the logical difficulties such diktat presented to said subordinate, in callous disregard for he feelings and in direct contravention of New York regulation 3457.08(d) of the administrative employee code....”
without saying please
Stop lying.
"I like the fact that Trump said please."
Exactly. Man of the people. A real aristocrat wouldn't say please.
Do we have any record of Hill saying please? Didn't think so. Ha. (In fact, as I recall, she cussed out the hired help at the WH.) Case closed. We made the right choice.
Make America Polite Again.
Is that Hitler/coke link what you wanted it to be?
Here's New Yorker circa 1959:
The universal drink
Remember Bill and Hillary in the residential quarters?
BJ?
What is it, Ma?
Could I have a Salerno Butter Cookie?
BJ?
What is it, Ma?
Fuck the cookie and bring me a gin.
Hitler supposedly loved coke, but not the liquid soda kind.
Get those Nazis a coke!
No Coke. Pepsi.
A Trump "agnostic." It's an interesting notion.
Scott Adams tries to get away with that, saying (as Althouse might), that he doesn't agree with all of the Trump policies; and that he is simply interested in Trump as Master Persuader. From one hypnotist to another, I guess.
Adams can say that, and perhaps even claim that he is one of the Trump Agnostics, but he sure went ballistic ("I no longer care about the fucking law") when they executed the federal search warrant on Michael Cohen. Which had nothing to do with policy or with Trump persuasion or hypnotic techniques or anything else.
I'd like to have a meaningful conversation with a Trump agnostic. Did a "Trump Agnostic" vote for Trump? Would it matter, who a "Trump Agnostic" voted for? Could someone have been a Trump Agnostic and voted for Hillary? What qualifies someone as a Trump Agnostic?
My first Trump-as-President chuckle occurred when he started talking about North Korea as a piece of real estate: "You have South Korea, you have China, and they own the land in the middle. How bad is that, right? It's great."
Location, location, location.
”I'd like to have a meaningful conversation with a Trump agnostic.”
I don’t think you’d be capable of it. You’re filled with to much hate.
Coke is short for cocaine, which is urban code for cocoa, which is a scream for a politically liberal Starbucks latte.
Re: Chuck:
Scott Adams tries to get away with that, saying (as Althouse might), that he doesn't agree with all of the Trump policies; and that he is simply interested in Trump as Master Persuader. From one hypnotist to another, I guess.
I mean, I wouldn't describe myself as a "Trump agnostic" (in general, I am moderately pro-Trump), but there are certainly Trump policies I oppose. E.g. the trade war -- I think he (along with a lot of US bureaucrats) overestimates how important and powerful the US is today, so the costs of the trade war will exceed the benefits to be gained from trying to renegotiate our trade arrangements.
Frankly, the more I think about it, the more I realise I don't even know what "Trump agnostic" means. Is it just someone who's neither pro nor anti-Trump? Is it someone who's "agnostic" about the conspiracy theories that Trump is a Russian plant? Is it someone who's agnostic about whether Trump is, in fact, Making America Great Again?
“Trump and how I learned to love him.”
LOL
How’s the book coming? Maybe it should be “Trump and how I pretended to be agnostic toward him”.
You know who else said "Please"?
Original Mike said...
”I'd like to have a meaningful conversation with a Trump agnostic.”
I don’t think you’d be capable of it. You’re filled with to much hate.
How much hate is "to" much?
Seriously; day after day a pattern repeats itself on Althouse comments pages. I post a comment that is more or less directed at Ann Althouse as the author of her main post. My comment always goes to something that is drawn directly from what she wrote.
Then, what ensues is a string of personal attacks on me. As you have just started, here. Your attack (you're on the moderate end of the Hate-Chuck scale) will be followed by a string of far more personal attacks, by "Drago" and "Darrell" and others. Drago won't let it go with just one post. He will rattle off three or four; and with virtually no content that relates to the main blog post or whatever it is that was in my comment. Drago's insults will consist of misrepresentations of things that he wants readers to think that I have posted in the past.
If I reply to Drago or Darrell it will provoke more personal attacks from others; you, "Rusty," "Kevin," "Achilles," etc., etc. And in no time flat, a significant portion of the page will devolve into personal attacks. And "clutter," in Althouse's parlance.
Just watch. If I have scared some of my detractors off from using this page in the way I have described (by calling them out so explicitly with this comment), I will just save this comment for future use when -- and it will be when -- that pattern arises again.
Remember Moxie's Law: the first person to bring Coke into the debate, loses.
Today we teach Poland to sing. Tomorrow, the world.
agnostic (n.)
1870, "one who professes that the existence of a First Cause and the essential nature of things are not and cannot be known" [Klein]; coined by T.H. Huxley, supposedly in September 1869, from Greek agnostos "unknown, unknowable," from a- "not" (see a- (3)) + gnostos "(to be) known," from PIE root *gno- "to know." Sometimes said to be a reference to Paul's mention of the altar to "the Unknown God" in Acts, but according to Huxley it was coined with reference to the early Church movement known as Gnosticism (see Gnostic). The adjective also is first recorded 1870.
I ... invented what I conceived to be the appropriate title of 'agnostic,' ... antithetic to the 'Gnostic' of Church history who professed to know so much about the very things of which I was ignorant. [T.H. Huxley, "Science and Christian Tradition," 1889]
The agnostic does not simply say, "I do not know." He goes another step, and he says, with great emphasis, that you do not know. [Robert G. Ingersoll, "Reply to Dr. Lyman Abbott," 1890]
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gnosis (n.)
"knowledge," especially "special knowledge of spiritual mysteries," 1703, from Greek gnosis "a knowing, knowledge; a judicial inquiry, investigation; a being known," in Christian writers, "higher knowledge of spiritual things," from PIE *gno-ti-, from root *gno- "to know."
”Then, what ensues is a string of personal attacks on me. As you have just started, here.”
It’s not a personal attack. It’s an observation. I struggle to understand why you are compelled to do what you do.
"How’s the book coming? Maybe it should be “Trump and how I pretended to be agnostic toward him”.
Maybe there could be a character in the book who says things like:
"LOL. What a dumb bitch you are Althouse. I’ve been restraining myself from saying that for a long time. How’s that for lack of restraint? " -- 7/23/18, 3:47 PM
"Ugh, what a disgusting forum you provide and contribute to. Ugh disgusting place. Yes it’s time I removed myself." -- 7/23/18, 3:42 PM
Things like that.
Did they photoshop the straws out of those coke bottles?
“Maybe there could be a character in the book who says things like:
"LOL. What a dumb bitch you are Althouse. I’ve been restraining myself from saying that for a long time. How’s that for lack of restraint? " -- 7/23/18, 3:47 PM
"Ugh, what a disgusting forum you provide and contribute to. Ugh disgusting place. Yes it’s time I removed myself." -- 7/23/18, 3:42 PM”
Indeed yes, more “truthiness” needed here.
The girl in the American Coke ad had a sexier vibe. All the ads had a social realism look, but too much sex appeal interferes with productivity and is filtered out of totalitarian art. In the Mao, Hitler and Stalin posters, the girls driving the tractors and bringing in the wheat are vibrantly healthy and good looking but weirdly devoid of sexual magnetism. I have the vague sense that this does not apply to Mussolini, but I may be wrong.
ALTHOUSE says:...."...a nice tone and I think it works for Trump lovers and haters and — there are some of us — agnostics."
Nothing makes me more doubting than someone who claims to be "agnostic" on an important and salient subject...I consider it either a claim rooted in the anxiety of choice or falsely self-flattering. In any event, such a claim amounts to nothing more on a probable bell curve than not being on either extreme wing - i.e. being merely being 'average' and typical. ZZzzzzzz.
In a political conversation it's even more fatuous - imho, all substantive political conversations come down to 'Who would you vote for tomorrow AM?" In such cases, being 'agnostic' is to claim to stay home and not vote. Sure.
"Seriously; day after day a pattern repeats itself on Althouse comments pages. I post a comment that is more or less directed at Ann Althouse as the author of her main post. My comment always goes to something that is drawn directly from what she wrote."
Sounds like you are pissed that people interrupt your attempt at dialogue with Professor Althouse. I knew people like that in grad school. They acted as if they were entitled, just as you do.
Your lack of self-awareness is astounding.
Normalizing Trump would be a good plan for leftists. You have more than 6 years left of him as president.
They should also normalize the idea of Rosenstein going to jail.
Lisa Page decided she wasn’t going to take the fall and “flipped” as they say.
Democrats think spying on political opponents is just peachy. They are now realizing they are a small and hated group of people.
They are going to be saying “can’t we all just get along?” soon.
The indictments are right on schedule for September and October.
Just like I said.
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/developing-gop-lawmakers-aware-of-new-documents-related-to-hillarys-phony-dossier-after-lisa-page-deposition/
"Nothing makes me more doubting than someone who claims to be "agnostic""
I think we need a cruel neutrality bullshit tag.
As a small child we would be taken down to visit our Grandmother and Aunt at The Coca Cola Company where they worked. They would show us off to their friends that included the Executives. One time the Executives put on a showing of Uncle Remus Tales for visitors. The culture was decidedly aristocratic southern but mixed with New York capitalism
My point is that Robert Woodruff was an early insider in the small wealthy elite that ruled America and influenced the rest of the world. He operated Coca Cola as a quasi State Department with its own embassies located everywhere. It was a part of the early shadow government. So Hitler's German guys would have accepted Coca Cola or else.
The African countries are being Coca Cola'd the same way today.
"If I have scared some of my detractors off from using this page in the way I have described (by calling them out so explicitly with this comment), I will just save this comment for future use when -- and it will be when -- that pattern arises again."
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It's all about you Chuck. You wouldn't want it any other way.
Oooh..file it away!
The ever clueless Chuck wrote:
"Seriously; day after day a pattern repeats itself on Althouse comments pages. I post a comment that is more or less directed at Ann Althouse as the author of her main post. My comment always goes to something that is drawn directly from what she wrote."
You all but called her a liar in the first comment you made, Chuck. Just another reason no one but Inga treats you with any respect at all.
Aristocrats would indeed say please.
And still do, if not over-afflicted by modernism.
People today misunderstand the culture of aristocracy.
The most impolite groups in society traditionally were those without local ties, which had no reason to care about ongoing relationships. Transients, etc. Mercenary soldiers for instance, gypsies and Jews.
The next were the noveau riche, new money. With the occasion to be arrogant but without the tradition of noblesse oblige.
And in general city people, the countryside always being more careful about manners. The peasantry is also misunderstood. They were not boors, their interactions had, relatively speaking, a formal structure.
Trump is part-noveau, part noblesse.
", please". An afterthought of authoritarian civility.
Pass the politically ambiguous espresso.
n.n: I always disagreed with that definition. I consider myself an agnostic on religious matters, but I do not "go further" and say it cannot be known. My answer is that I have insufficient data, not that sufficient data cannot exist.
That definition seems to me to strain to plausibly include itself in the atheist camp. If a simple "I dont know" that is not actively hostile to religious belief (which your definition is) does not qualify as "agnostic", then what word can be used to describe me?
Virgil Hilts
Why would anyone be surprised that Coke supported Hitler, all progressive Dem organisations did.
Coke out of Atlanta has always been big financial boosters of the Democratic Party. Up till 20 years ago Pepsico was a Republican booster.
Same as Budweiser out of St. Louis was a Democrat booster, especially in Missouri, Coors and smaller brewers were Republican boosters. I remember when the Coors brothers were the Evil Koch brothers of the 70s and 80s.
Agnosticism is an affirmative statement of faith. The neutral ground is occupied through separation of logical domains, and specifically constraint to the scientific logical domain or a limited frame of reference or near frame in time (forward and backward in a linear model) and space. The rest is myth and prophecy.
And faith (i.e. logic domain), religion (i.e. moral or behavioral protocol), traditions (e.g. habits), and organization are separable.
Chuck has come up with the magic words--a spell, if you will--to silence his detractors.
Good luck with that.
Try not being an asshole, whydon'tcha?
Look Who's Back
Italian fascist imagery was, my impression anyway, much more about the bambini than sexy women. Or rather much more about kids than the other propaganda makers were.
Italian Fascism was above all Italian.
Spanish Nationalist propaganda was on the whole very lame, not a patch on the Spanish Republicans (Anarchists/Communists). No sex. Heavy on symbolism but weirdly under-produced, going through the motions really. Some of the best was by the Carlist Requetes, which was of course intensely Catholic, as they were.
The Spanish Republicans were brilliant, they had a tremendous concentration of artistic talent working for them, and meme-generators too, as we would call them today. In a very short period they created more artistic and effective poster art than the Soviet Union managed in 70 years.
"Agnosticism is an affirmative statement of faith."
I apologize to everyone for this continued digression, but... no. It is the refusal to make an affirmative statement of faith. If not in it's original definition then at least by common usage. And I maintain that that common usage has arisen because there is no other word available to describe "I don't know, period."
Qwinn.
There is a denotation and connotation (e.g. Urban-like dictionary), a meaning in principle and in practice, where the former is precise and the latter is riddled with implications. In principle, agnostic is without knowledge, but there is knowledge, there are logical domains where we shunt what we believe to know, don't know, or can't know. There is a narrow scientific logical domain, where we exist, observe, and reproduce to reach utilitarian conclusions about the meaning of life, the universe, and everything. So, if you're not convinced about characterization of faith, fantasy, and philosophy, you're scientific. But note that the logical domains are intersecting, and the scientific logical domain expands, if ever so slightly, and likely constrained (i.e. limited by the system within which we exist), with expanded knowledge and skill. Anyway, that's how I approach reconciliation of the many labels that don't quite capture the complexity of our situation and circumstances. I would say that scientific is a good label, except that some people have expanded its significance to absurd extremes.
Trump was not particular about which Koch brother he wanted to talk to. The evil brothers are so rich that they make Trump look like a pauper even with the multi-million dollar tax windfall that he gave himself for Christmas last year.
How ridiculous to think that he was asking for a can of (fake) Diet Coke with a pubic hair on it. He was obviously calling on one of his main benefactors to bail his sorry ass out again. Fake press, fake news!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Political_activities_of_the_Koch_brothers
Coke is short for cocaine, which is urban code for cocoa
Confusing cocoa with coca can cause all sorts of trouble. It could lead to a whole new use of the term "brown-nose".
Achilles said...
https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2018/07/developing-gop-lawmakers-aware-of-new-documents-related-to-hillarys-phony-dossier-after-lisa-page-deposition/
Achilles so far this has been a tempest in a tea cup simply because Trump has been indecisive. He needs to order Sessions to either un-recuse himself or resign and fire Rosenstein and Wray and then order The DoJ and the FBI to fully comply with Congress.
"Aristocrats would indeed say please."
I am happy to defer to authority.
But a quick check of the Duke de Saint-Simon's memoirs does not reveal any instance. Of course, he does not report mundane interactions in detail, so I wouldn't take it as definitive evidence. Nonetheless, it is my strong impression, from what he does write, that Louis XIV and his court did not tell the hired help, "Get me some soup, please."
"LOL. What a dumb bitch you are Althouse. I’ve been restraining myself from saying that for a long time. How’s that for lack of restraint? " -- 7/23/18, 3:47 PM
Is it bad that I immediately knew who it was quoting from the "LOL"?
Trump: "Get me a Coke please."
Obama: "Get me some coke." (Without the please.)
Louis XIV and his court
They were French.
Why would they waste 3 syllables?
French aristocrats would wash their hands before peeing to keep other people's germs off their unit.
I love the other Trump tweets on Coke: "I've never seen a thin person drinking a Diet Coke," and "I don't care what the Coke company says, I'll keep drinking this garbage."
For heaven's sake Chuck, just grow up. You sound more and more like a middle-school girl every day.
Drago will start every post with Dear Diary. We will get a good laugh, of course, but you needn't be such a whiner. Grow a pair.
Re: Myself:
E.g. the trade war -- I think he (along with a lot of US bureaucrats) overestimates how important and powerful the US is today, so the costs of the trade war will exceed the benefits to be gained from trying to renegotiate our trade arrangements.
I realise I'm saying this just as it looks like Trump has got the Europeans to blink, so maybe he's right and I'm wrong. Again.
Interesting take from the Chinese on Trump in FT:
"I have just spent a week in Beijing talking to officials and intellectuals, many of whom are awed by his skill as a strategist and tactician…
…In Chinese eyes, Mr Trump’s response is a form of “creative destruction”. He is systematically destroying the existing institutions — from the World Trade Organization and the North American Free Trade Agreement to Nato and the Iran nuclear deal — as a first step towards renegotiating the world order on terms more favourable to Washington. Once the order is destroyed, the Chinese elite believes, Mr Trump will move to stage two: renegotiating America’s relationship with other powers. Because the US is still the most powerful country in the world, it will be able to negotiate with other countries from a position of strength if it deals with them one at a time rather than through multilateral institutions that empower the weak at the expense of the strong…
My interlocutors say that Mr Trump is the US first president for more than 40 years to bash China on three fronts simultaneously: trade, military and ideology. They describe him as a master tactician, focusing on one issue at a time, and extracting as many concessions as he can. They speak of the skillful way Mr Trump has treated President Xi Jinping. “Look at how he handled North Korea,” one says. “He got Xi Jinping to agree to UN sanctions [half a dozen] times, creating an economic stranglehold on the country. China almost turned North Korea into a sworn enemy of the country.” But they also see him as a strategist, willing to declare a truce in each area when there are no more concessions to be had, and then start again with a new front."
Fanta was developed in 1940 to replace Coke after an anti-Nazi embargo took hold.
Re: Sebastian:
But a quick check of the Duke de Saint-Simon's memoirs does not reveal any instance. Of course, he does not report mundane interactions in detail, so I wouldn't take it as definitive evidence. Nonetheless, it is my strong impression, from what he does write, that Louis XIV and his court did not tell the hired help, "Get me some soup, please."
I think it depends on culture and country. My impression is that English aristocrats became more polite to their social inferiors over the centuries (although there's still plenty of anecdotes about coldly tossing pregnant maids out on their ears, etc., right up to the 20th century), but French and Russian aristocrats did not. I'd be rather surprised if Korean aristocrats said "please" to their servants, serfs, and slaves. Even in the modern era, Koreans from yangban backgrounds aren't particularly polite to their servants and underlings as a general rule, though there are exceptions.
“A lot of times, Hillary would snap her fingers and go, ‘Gum.’ And Huma would fetch it.” Abedin took her duties so seriously, the source recalled, that when she learned that Clinton had once carried her own bag up a flight of stairs in her aide’s absence, Abedin nearly burst into tears. (Newsweek)
I remember myriad stories of the Clintons ordering Secret Service around like servants ("move the luggage," etc). Very little coverage at the time. Bush was very polite, by contrast.
One of the earliest investors in Coca Cola was Ty Cobb who was famous for being one of the top five ball players of all time and stabbing black people for being uppity.
If only the business leaders of today had the same level of acumen.
Langford, you should know that pretty much all the "common knowledge" about Ty Cobb is wrong.
"Seriously; day after day a pattern repeats itself on Althouse comments pages. I post a comment that is more or less directed at Ann Althouse as the author of her main post. My comment always goes to something that is drawn directly from what she wrote."
Slightly shorter Chuck: “Why oh why do people not see the brilliance of my tedious, predictable, and thoughtless bitching about Trump?
I know! I’ll do even more of it! I definitely won’t ever reconsider my assumptions! Or ask myself whether anyone wants to read my comments!”
(I guess that wasn’t actually, you know, shorter.)
Going back to Chuck, I'm not at all surprised he wants to meet a "Trump agnostic." Chuck's a missionary, out to spread the gospel of "Trump is the devil" and how we all have a religious duty to resist Trump--far more than resisting the actual devil.
That's why Chuck doesn't care about whatever horrors spring forth out of the left--they cannot possibly do or be worse than Trump himself.
So any "Trump agnostic" that Chuck meets will be for one reason only: an attempt to convert said person to the common faith of Chuck and Nancy Pelosi.
JohnAnnArbor
Thanks for the Ty Cobb link, I learned something today.
@JohnAnnArbor
Thanks for the link. It was uninteresting read.
I often wonder how much of our "common knowledge" turns out to be total bullshit.
It was an interesting read - autocorrect sucks!
Nicely done video.
I want to know what would happen if they brought him a pepsi. Bring me a coke is generic to my ears.
Is it bad that I immediately knew who it was quoting from the "LOL"?
No. No worse than knowing the vile skank would be back within 48 hours of saying she was leaving.
Make it a Coke and damn the courtesy. No one who is anyone on the warpath is fooled.
JohnAnnArbor
Thanks for the Ty Cobb link, I learned something today.
Seconded.
I haven't seen Jeanne Moos in a few years. She looks ...different. I see she's 68.
What did Mao drink? After Dr. K taught them how to do business in the Chinese style Best and final offer first, negotiate down from there to a win-win, showing great respect for both parties' time intellect and ability of those in attendance to commit the company and country, he drank Coke. No uncle required for this unheard of wholly owned subsidiary.
"Slightly shorter Chuck: “Why oh why do people not see the brilliance of my tedious, predictable, and thoughtless bitching about Trump?"
LLR Chuck and Inga:
No-bo-dy knows..the troubles they've seen..
No-bo-dy knows..their sor-rows...
Dear Diary, I was really happy to see Inga reappear after her most unfortunate verbal attack gaffe.
Chuck missed her and he needed a "win"..
Yes, the Ty Cobb story was fascinating.
@Balfegor, at least you recognize that often he turns out to be right and the conventional wisdom wrong. And it’s closer — so far — to “always” than just to “often.” I understand that you live in the Washington metropolitan area, as did I for 45 years, so I imagine that your bubble is busy arguing that threats to raise or enact tariffs — merest threats — are equivalent to a full blown trade war, and to Hell with what Juncker said.
The two girls in the Coke ads are pretty/beautiful in a way that has gone out of style. Oval faces, soft jaw lines. Olivia de Havilland was the ideal. Very feminine, very attractive. I miss that look. It turns me on.
“How’s the book coming? Maybe it should be “Trump and how I pretended to be agnostic toward him”.
Maybe there could be a character in the book who says things like:
"LOL. What a dumb bitch you are Althouse. I’ve been restraining myself from saying that for a long time. How’s that for lack of restraint? " -- 7/23/18, 3:47 PM
"Ugh, what a disgusting forum you provide and contribute to. Ugh disgusting place. Yes it’s time I removed myself." -- 7/23/18, 3:42 PM
Things like that.”
Didn’t several people call Ann a “cunt” recently in a posting about Sarah Palin in which she called Palin “dumb” IIRC, some weeks back?
Roughcoat
Sort of like the Vargas like paintings of the "Beck Girls" or the Double Mint twins. Hell even the girls in white pants riding a bicycles in the Tampax ads were wholesome and hot.
Back when I watched it, Jeanne Moos was the best thing on CNN, which I guess isn't saying much.
The two girls in the Coke ads are pretty/beautiful in a way that has gone out of style.
But Mr. Muscle & Eyebrows is timeless.
Mac McConnll:
Yeah, Vargas also came to mind. Wowza.
Also, relatedly, World War II aircraft nose art. Double wowza.
In his book, The Ancien Regime, de Tocqueville writes about how aristocratic French women would disrobe before their male servants. The lower orders, including the house servants, were not considered fully human, and you could go naked before them as you would a dog.......Downton Abbey presents a prettified version of how nobs treated their servants. When a servant met a tosh in the hall, the servant was expected to turn towards the wall. When one of the blessed family entered the room, the servant was expected to leave unless asked to do otherwise......Winston Churchill had a warm and loving relationship with his nanny. His mother dismissed her as soon as Winston came off age. The nanny was old and destitute. Out of his own allowance, Churchill paid her annuity, but it was no thanks to Jenny......Of course, they weren't total purists in their disregard for the servants. Winston's father, Randy, was said to have gotten syphilis from a housemaid so he did have a feel for the lower orders.
I thought randy Randy said he got it when he woke up with a toothless pros his college friends had left him with. Perhaps that was someone else.
I'm getting multiple Whoops!
Note that the two ladies have the same particular grip on the bottle, different from the man's.
In his book, The Ancien Regime, de Tocqueville writes about how aristocratic French women would disrobe before their male servants.
That could be dangerous. When Maria Theresa had a black child, her black servant was executed for "frightening" the queen during her pregnancy, which of course caused her ti have a black baby.
The child was Louise Marie Therese, "The Black Nun of Moret."
You can get original Coke made with cane sugar and bottled in glass bottles in the Hispanic section of the supermarkets for about $1.50. If then, you crush up ice in splinters by wrapping cubes in a napkin and hammering on them, and put the Coke and the splintered ice together in a green Coke glass (found after a long search at Goodwill) you get what you used to get for nickel at Doc's soda fountain. Peak sophistication at ten was ordering a lime coke instead of a cherry coke. And also they are bringing back paper straws, so soon you will also be able to have that fun moment when the straw splits slightly open where it was bent and leaks all over you and the counter. That is caused by talking too much instead of working on your drink. I wonder if some Millennial will bring a lawsuit - "my straw was made from cheap paper and ruined my phone" but Things Go Better strikes back with "That happens with recycled paper, what do you want, to destroy the planet, you should've drunk faster", the video goes viral, there are stories on both sides, two parties form, etc.
They once made kosher Coke with cane sugar for Passover, but it was in cans.
My brother liked putting the bottles in the freezer for a while. Pop the top and instant slushee.
I found it impressive that Trump said "Please".
But that's consistent with his behavior.
Personally, if I was on the phone and wanted a coke, I'd just yell out "Get me a Coke".
I almost never say "Please" to my subordinates at work. Not because I'm rude, but because I just want to get the job done. And why waste time with needless pleasantries.
And Trump is right. You never see a thin person drinking diet coke.
I stopped drinking Coke, when I got older and starting drinking coffee and tea.
I've never looked back.
I don't want all that sugar or whatever chemicals Coke puts in their "Diet Coke".
They once made kosher Coke with cane sugar for Passover, but it was in cans.
I think they still do.
On a TV show about extremely obese people, this woman was too embarrassed to go inside, so she ordered food for 4 in the drive thru--with a single XL Diet Coke, thereby giving the game away.
Beside the Nazi's drinking Coke, non other than Marshall Georgy Zhukov was a Coke addict. The Coca Cola company was even asked by the US government to make a special version for Zhukov.
https://knowledgenuts.com/2014/02/14/when-coca-cola-made-white-coke-for-a-soviet-war-hero/
My 70's Feminist first wife would lunch on a Diet Coke and a Snickers Bar. She also thought that we should snip off the nasty little pee-pees of little boys, but she could not get enough of the adult version of that thing.
Question why dies that link to stepan Bandera, fmr Ukrainian resistance leader and future mi 6 and cia asset
Get me a coke, stat!
The hell wth Ty Cobb and Coke.
I'm with Ted Williams :
Make mine Moxie
Here's another bit of trivia:up thru tje twenties, Moxie outsold Coke. Calvin Coolidge setved it at state dinners at the WH.
It is still made. It tastes like licorice Dr pepper with a strong kerosene undernote.
It is, as their corporate vp marketing told me ay a trade show "an acquired taste" like Spinal Tap, they are selective in their customers.
John Henry
Moxie sounds like a solvent.
But then, Coke is too.
I think tcrosse had a lot of sleepless nights..for one reason or he other..
narciso is on task..albeit off topic.
I'm a fan of old school noir, like the big sleep which left a lot to the imagination, like Dorothy Malone in the library.
Good for Ann for posting this clever piece by Jeannie Moos, the CNN reporter whose work like this appears most nights at the end of Erin Burnett's show. It's a glimpse into how widely Ann casts her curiosity. But it makes me wonder about her remark about being an agnostic: after such knowledge, what wisdom?
Adams can say that, and perhaps even claim that he is one of the Trump Agnostics, but he sure went ballistic ("I no longer care about the fucking law") when they executed the federal search warrant on Michael Cohen.
Yes, because the ONLY reason to 'go ballistic' over a raid into anSITTING PRESIDENTS legal affairs by an office which leaks like a sieve is blatant Trump Love.
You are an idiot and a biased idiot and your consuming hate is destroying norms you will miss.
And you a lawyer. Pshaw!
And Chuck continues his strange residency as fopdoodle extraordinaire. Narcissist much?
I was getting worried, that "Drago" would fail to prove me exactly right, when I had predicted that he would follow a comment from me on this page with multiple comments of his own consisting of personal attacks on me which misrepresented my words and which had nothing to do with the substance of the Althouse blog post or my comment thereon.
But Drago comes through!
Blogger Drago said...
"Slightly shorter Chuck: “Why oh why do people not see the brilliance of my tedious, predictable, and thoughtless bitching about Trump?"
LLR Chuck and Inga:
No-bo-dy knows..the troubles they've seen..
No-bo-dy knows..their sor-rows...
7/26/18, 3:16 PM
Blogger Drago said...
Dear Diary, I was really happy to see Inga reappear after her most unfortunate verbal attack gaffe.
Chuck missed her and he needed a "win"..
7/26/18, 3:19 PM
Poor Chuck. I finally realized there are two Chucks, one big C and one little c.
I had been thinking that Chuck was sometimes quite sensible but that was chuck.
Much is clear now.
Yes LLR Chuck, I came through.
Sort of "last minute", "cavalry style".
And if your democrat and lefty allies continue to go after Brett Kavanaughs wife (nice group of allies you picked there Chuckles), I shall be forced to taunt you a second time.
Drago said...
Yes LLR Chuck, I came through.
Sort of "last minute", "cavalry style".
And if your democrat and lefty allies continue to go after Brett Kavanaughs wife (nice group of allies you picked there Chuckles), I shall be forced to taunt you a second time.
But I LIKE Judge Kavanaugh! I support his nomination. Before he was nominated, I spoke out in favor of the Federalist Society-influenced list of potential nominees. I've been a Federalist Society member. When we got close to the nomination date, I wrote that Judge Kavanaugh was my top choice. Above all of the others on the short list.
I supported Justice Gorsuch's nomination and confirmation. For that matter, I strongly supported the confirmations of Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Alito, Justice Thomas, Justice Scalia (about whom there was no controversy, 98-0), and Judge Bork (whose nomination was foiled in the infamous confirmation hearings and votes).
Supporting federal judicial nominations is one of the very small handful of reasons that I voted for an asshole like Trump.
What fair-minded person is going to read your crap about me with any seriousness, Drago?
Personally, I want to know where the fuck you step off, telling people who I support or don't support? If I have any "democrat and lefty allies" it is entirely accidental and consists only of an overlapping shared personal hatred of Trump. And it has absolutely nothing to do with Article III judges. Indeed, our views of federal judges would sharply divide us.
Chuck,
Would it help you to realize that you are nothing? Less than a grain of dust? Because you appear not to understand your nearly perfect insignificance. I actually find it hard to insult you, because you are virtually beneath insulting.
What I said above is not insulting - a gentleman cannot be insulted by the truth.
Then again, perhaps it is an insult to gentlemen to treat you as a gentleman, because really, do you even claim to be a gentleman?
If I have any "democrat and lefty allies" it is entirely accidental and consists only of an overlapping shared personal hatred of Trump.
As a lawyer you would know that "accidental" is not much mitigation, certainly not once you know what you're doing. It would be as if Prescott Bush or Hamilton Fish had shipped uranium to the Nazis because they personally hated FDR. I've brought this to your attention before and you scoffed, so let's have none of you playing the innocent.
narciso said...
I'm a fan of old school noir, like the big sleep which left a lot to the imagination, like Dorothy Malone in the library.
7/26/18, 10:37 PM
Oh her, the nice girl in the bookstore? 😍😛🤤
BTW Chuck, it's fine when you don't answer. In fact, it is much your best course. Especially as I have given you no grounds for the use of obscenity, which seems to be your go-to. It's really hard to believe that you are a lawyer or make your living with words.
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