The coming release of a secret House memo, hotly sought by conservatives, will intensify the great muddying of the Russia investigation in the public's mind.The first metaphor is "muddying." The memo isn't making anything clear, just part of a strategy to disorient and confuse.
Why the memo matters: Trump's allies are betting that when all is said and done — and when special counsel Bob Mueller has completed his report — the American people will be so thoroughly disgusted with everyone that the political outcome is a wash.
I have been flooded with email from conservatives who have been ignited by the #ReleaseTheMemo campaign that has flourished online, fed by Fox News.
That smoldering fire ignited yesterday after the House Intelligence Committee voted along party lines to release the memo, with the final decision up to President Trump....
Last night, I saw how hot the House was burning when I interviewed Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the Intelligence Committee's top Democrat....
The second metaphor is water. There's a "flood" and maybe all the confusing mud will just be resolved by declaring the whole thing "a wash."
Third, there is fire, and that's just political fervor. The water could take care of the fire as well as the mud.
When did we start using "wash" like that, to mean "A balanced outcome; a situation or result which is of no net gain or loss"? The OED has that meaning only as a draft addition. It calls it "U.S. colloq." with the first usage in 1976:
1976 National Observer (U.S.) 10 Apr. 5/4 If Humphrey were the more Democratic nominee, it would be more or less of a wash, because Humphrey is an old Washington hand too, and he carries many of the same scars as Ford.By the way, did you know the word "wash" can refer to a measure for oysters and whelks? "Each smack takes about 40 wash of whelks with her for the voyage" (1879). What's a "smack"? Some kind of woman? No, the "her" is for a ship — "A single-masted sailing-vessel, fore-and-aft rigged like a sloop or cutter, and usually of light burden, chiefly employed as a coaster or for fishing, and formerly as a tender to a ship of war."
Oh, the things we are learning today. I'm so glad I have existing tags for "mud" and "mollusks."
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237 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»Not a word is written considering the possibility that the Democrats have been caught red handed trying to commit a coup, I see. It's just Republicans trying to muddle the totally above board, totally legitimate Russian investigation. Right.
Democrats: for whom Treason is always a possibility, and never, ever bad. Ask Ted Kennedy.
--Vance
Yes, let's completely avoid the thought that Americans of all persuasions might care that the FBI, NSA, DoJ and the White House might have behaved in such a manner.
It will be the opposite of muddying. It will be clarifying. People will pick sides.
Half will be on one side that thinks it is ok to spy on your political opponents and try to overturn elections.
The other half will be on the side of the rule of law and equality before the law.
Expect the Stalinists to get violent and underestimate what is in front of them.
Of course, it's "muddying" the Russia Investigation. Getting hoisted on ones own petard is indeed a "muddying" situation.
I love it when reporters who have no clue as to what goes on in the Right-wing hive-mind try and piece it out when it becomes necessary that they pay attention to it. The reason that the Righties are all riled up is because they've believed since month one of the Obama administration that the powers of the federal government were being used as weapons against them. The memo, if it lives up to its hype, will prove to them that the weaponization of the federal government against them had moved further along & involved more agencies (like the FBI) than they thought.
It's like going to bed thinking the world runs like Mitt Romney & waking up to find it runs like Alex Jones. So, yeah, the Righties are bigly huffed about it.
The New Yorker used to have little bottom-of-column filler items called Block That Metaphor. Does it still ?
intensify the great muddying of the Russia investigation in the public's mind.
Let's be honest hear, the whole "Russia investigation" was pretty damned muddy from the jump. As far as I know there's never been a specific crime, just a vague idea of "collusion" or whatever. It's clearly just a concerted effort to find something, anything that could be used to unseat a duly elected president. And failing that, simply create enough Fear Uncertainty and Doubt (aka gaslighting) as to keep the presidents approval numbers down and grind his agenda to a halt, and get the GOP to lose elections.
It's hard to imagine a scenario in which the released memo would not clarify more than it would obscure - unless the authors of this metaphorical storm are concerned more about the survival of a particular narrative than how closely that narrative conforms to reality.
The sanctions, passed by the Congress, have not been applied to Russia.
Most people don't think that deeply about their metaphors.
Apparently the memo has gotten down to the local level. One station here in SoCal described the memo as "casting a cloud over the SOTU speech".
"It's hard to imagine a scenario in which the released memo would not clarify more than it would obscure - unless the authors of this metaphorical storm are concerned more about the survival of a particular narrative than how closely that narrative conforms to reality."
Yeah, it looks like pre spin to me.
What I meant to say was the NARRATIVE has gotten down to the local level.
It sounds more like an attempt to muddy the memo.
YoungHegelian, 12:06:
Good points. I have friends on the left who think I believe the FBI and DOJ have been politicized and weaponized because I want to believe that.
Actually I'd love to believe they haven't. It's just getting harder to remain skeptical.
The Axios-Politico connection has been reestablished.
@JPS,
I have friends on the left who think I believe the FBI and DOJ have been politicized and weaponized because I want to believe that.
How can some lefty be so clueless as to argue that such a thing couldn't happen, when Federal agencies were repeatedly "weaponized" against the Left in American history?
Do they think that there are structural changes that occurred that made such targeting impossible? Such as? Do they think that there's some ideological force at work that makes it impossible for these agencies to be used by a liberal Democratic admin against the Right?
Like I said about Mark Cuban, if these people on the Left knew anything about history they wouldn't be on the Left.
The leftwing liar machine doesn't want to muddy the big lie.
The leftwing machine never wanted to hurt corrupt Hillary. They want to help her.
The media(D) are circling the wagons around full court corruption at the top of the FBI and The DOJ.
Obama spied, Clinton colluded, DNC denied the nomination to the Jew.
What the memo may prove is that Obama participated in the cover-up, and may, in fact, have lead the axis factions.
Also, there is a question why the establishment lead a sincere effort to abort the Republican candidate and then President, and risked exposure and criminal sanction for violating the Constitution and disenfranchising the People.
As for Russia, intervention in Obama's social justice adventures and prevention of another refugee crisis, and the memories and phobias of Soviet-era relics, is sufficient to explain the progressive coup and intransigence.
Trump has merely asserted acting by the Constitution as a law which gives us back our Republic.He has been slowly un-cooking the Frog that was accustomed to Obama's Total Lawlessness ruling over a failed USA as a smiling King/Tyrant anointed by a World Government. And Trump's forces have wonthat war.
It's over now except for the rounding up of the worst criminal actors. And as a bonus he is systematically confiscating their ill gotten wealth.
The Russian Mafia has not been our enemysince 1992, because they are Christian Crony Capitalists that have just been playing the bad guys in a CIA written script.
"He has been slowly un-cooking the Frog that was accustomed to Obama's Total Lawlessness"
He can't uncook the frog, sad to say. You can blast an institution, and "reform" it, but it will fail again if the pools from which it draws its personnel are deficient.
It does little good to fix politics through some piece of brilliance if one cannot also fix the culture that creates this politics.
When did we start using "wash" like that, to mean "A balanced outcome; a situation or result which is of no net gain or loss"? The OED has that meaning only as a draft addition. It calls it "U.S. colloq." with the first usage in 1976:
That's way off. The wash sale rule dates back to 1922.
The Russian Mafia is an opportunistic, limited-goals and moreover self-limiting phenomenon. They are ordinary politics.
The problem with the Soviet Union was that it was a superpower driven by a quasi-religious ethos.
1921, sorry.
Fervor is already heat, L fervere, to boil or glow
Adam Schiff, deer caught in the headlights. Correction liar caught in his lies. The day this weasel departs the public scene can't come fast enough. Don't you have to be halfway likeable to be a politician? Pelosi, Schumer, Durbin, Warren and this turd, where do they all come from?
Like I said about Mark Cuban, if these people on the Left knew anything about history they wouldn't be on the Left.
1/30/18, 12:24 PM
The other day, I was talking with a lefty who expressed consternation that I was casting doubt on the apparently incorruptible FBI and I brought up the Church Commission. I had to explain what it was since, although the man is older than me, he was either playing dumb or was apolitical or high during the '70's, because he acted like he had no idea what I was talking about. After I gave him a little history lesson he said, "well, I don't see what that has to do with us now."
Leftists. Arguing with them is like trying to nail jello to a board.
Do they say "It's a warsh" in Indiana?
If McCabe asked people to alter their testimonies, he should go to jail.
I'm betting that term dates back to the 19th century, at least. Surprised it's only in America.
I googled it a bit but I don't think money guys are interested in the history of words.
And word people aren't familiar with accounting rules!
"Those are numbers, I'm a word guy, I don't know anything about numbers."
So ignorance on both sides makes it a wash.
The Axios-Politico connection has been reestablished.
I had not realized that Axios was part of the left.
I think Trump should just read the Memo as his SOTU speech.
where do they all come from?
Increasingly concentrated populations of bubble dwellers. They hate us outsiders and we hate them. Their media hates us more than they do. So we hate their media too.
At this point, it needs to come all out. We had ex-British spies paying Russian agents for information about American politicians. We deserve to know the truth.
The leftists know what is going on. They just don't care about the truth.
"The leftists know what is going on. They just don't care about the truth."
I think they care because they want to obscure the truth.
Glenn Reynolds says that the job of MSM journalists is to cover stories ...
... with a blanket, until they stop moving.
Wait. Wait.
Hillary Clinton had TWO anti-Trump dossiers created and fed to the FBI?
Red Scare goes Nowhere.
The mud will settle to the bottom and the clear water will reveal the Democrats are criminals starting with Barack Obama. The only question is who will go to prison.
A pillow, Francisco, they want to cover it with a pillow until it stops moving.
The FBI of Mueller, Comey, and McCabe is not the FBI as portrayed by Efrem Zimbalist, Jr. back in the day.
Francisco D said...
"The leftists know what is going on. They just don't care about the truth."
I think they care because they want to obscure the truth.
There are a lot of people that will lie to themselves about how they made their choices and what they meant, but they actually believe they want everyone to be free and believe they want the rule of law to be equally applied.
There are a significant number of leftists that don't care about any of that. They just want power.
This scandal is going to out those people. People like Inga.
n.n. at 12:27 PM
What the memo may prove is that Obama participated in the cover-up
A major element of Obama's participation in the RussiaGate hoax was his expulsion of the Russian diplomats. This action created a presumption among the public that the US Government had compelling intelligence that Russia had meddled in the US election.
A few days later, James Clapper, Obama's Director of National Intelligence, published a report summarizing the Intelligence Community's finding. The evidence was just stupid stuff, such as RT television broadcasts that criticized fracking.
Obama's expulsion of the Russian diplomats also set the stage for the Deep State's imminent efforts to undermine Trump's in-coming administration. Trump and his staff would be attacked for attempting to deal rationally with the expulsion of the Russian diplomats. The Deep State would leak wire-tapped information that Trump's staff was dealing with the Russians on this important matter.
Of course, Obama did more than just expel the diplomats, but people should keep in mind that element of his direct participation.
I see too many people who either believe (a) "Trump did nothing wrong, the investigation was corrupt," or (b) "Trump did something wrong, the investigation was not corrupt". But people are ignoring the other possibilities neither of which is internally inconsistent with logic: (c) "Trump did something wrong, but the investigation was corrupt" and (d) "Trump did nothing wrong and the investigation was not corrupt."
In my opinion too many Trump supporters are endorsing (a) and ignoring the possibility of (c). They seem to believe that by providing evidence of investigatory corruption they are also providing evidence of Trump's guilt. It is true that evidence of investigatory corruption will make it harder to find guilt of Trump-related individuals in a court, or even in the court of public opinion, but it will not be proof of innocence, especially as historians review the situation.
Again, this is just another lame attempt at preemptive damage control on a memo that is going to make Democrats look bad, if not outright reveal a criminal attempt by employees of a Federal Agency colluding with the Democrat party to subvert an election with falsified evidence.
The people "muddying he waters" are those trying to dismiss and discredit the memo without having read it.
Republicans in Congress are frustrated because they had all these great investigations into Hillary Clinton lined up for when she was elected President. Then she lost and all of that was seemingly for naught. They've successfully repurposed a few of them, but where does a "wash" leave them? With Donald painted as crooked as Hillary, that's where.
One of the last things Obama did before he left office.
He expanded the ability of the NSA to share intelligence to other agencies.
This ended with Fusion GPS, Crowdstrike, and several other democrat front companies illegally getting direct access to 702 related intel on americans who were tapped in communication with other people and illegally unmasked by the Obama administration.
Obama is in this up to his eyeballs. He will go to jail at best if there is any justice left in this republic.
In April 2017, three months after Trump became President, the US Justice Department renewed its FISA warrant to investigate all of Clarence Page's communications. The FISA renewal was supported by Rod Rosenstein.
The purpose of the renewal was not to investigate Page's communications in 2017 and 2018. Rather, the purpose was to enable the FBI to continue to fish endlessly through Page's communications in 2015 and 2016. Rosenstein hoped that the FBI might find in Page's old communications some tidbit that would enable the Deep State to extend its RussiaGate hoax until the 2018 elections.
Of course, Rosenstein knows that RussiaGate is a bullshit hoax, but he wants to protect the reputation of the Justice Department and its FBI.
He selected Robert "The FBI Whitewasher" Mueller to cover up the FBI's misdeeds and to drag the hoax out until November 2018, when the Democrats might win a majority in the House and enable a whitewashed conclusion of the "investigation".
Rosenstein selected Mueller because Mueller is the one person in the entire world who is most motivated and able to whitewash the FBI.
As long as Mueller's "investigation" dragged on, Rosenstein would use the investigation as a justification for keeping all incriminating information from Congress.
"(c) "Trump did something wrong, but the investigation was corrupt"
This is certainly possible, but there does not seem to be anything that Trump or his advisers/employees could have done that would be different from the behavior of any previous campaign or incoming administration. If Trump et al misbehaved in these roles, its in customary ways and to customary degrees.
Foreign interference in US political campaigns is long-standing, as is semi-surreptitious foreign financing. And all sorts of other illegal-conspiratorial acts, like organized political violence.
None of these were significant political issues before. It all is an exercise in double standards.
The only question is who will go to prison.
The first rule of Law Breaking Democrat Bureaucrat club is that no law breaking Democrat bureaucrat ever goes to prison.
Earth (mud), fire, water. We just need to clear the air.
It's truly is starting to look like the MSM have let a huge story slip through their biased hands, allowing Sarah Carter (Circa) and John Soloman (The Hill) and even Sean Hannity to become the breakthrough journalists of this generation.
No wonder they're pissed.
Big Mike,
Yes. I was thinking pillow but "blanket" somehow appeared. The brain is a little foggy today.
And as for questionable historical contacts/relationships/conflicts of interest among appointees and political advisers/operators, the same goes. This sort of background is SOP among political professionals at this level.
A Mueller-style probe into the backgrounds of Obamas or Clintons personnel would find piles of questionable items. Or for that matter on both the Bush administrations. Much of this is in the open, well known, as we see in the masses of published material on the Clinton foundation.
That this sort of investigation is applied to Trump only is itself suspicious.
"even Sean Hannity to become the breakthrough journalists of this generation."
I have considered Hannity a bit of a clown for years but he sure has been on top of this story.
Obama's participation in the RussiaGate hoax was his expulsion of the Russian diplomats
You're right, that's one aspect of the cover-up, which has been established.
The preponderance of evidence suggests that Trump was targeted because he was not Clinton, he was known to be an independent actor who would upset their apple cart, and he ran as a Republican, with specifically an America-first platform.
I thought it was going to be a post about the 4 elements: Earth, Air, Fire, and Water. I initially didn't see aid. But wait. It's involves Congress-- Hot Air. Maybe an a tag :>)
The phrase "it's a wash" refers to the act of cancellation or balance. Grime is added to a garment and then washed away. Something that is returning to its normal state after undergoing a recent change.
"Wash" is from "Washington", and relates to the idea of a place where lots of drama, conflict, and bullshit ends up accomplishing nothing.
To mix metaphors re the memo, I thought Scarborough had really lost it quite a while ago, but he kept digging.
http://www.breitbart.com/video/2018/01/30/scarborough-memo-ryan-nunes-want-release-twisted-distorted-lie-feed-paranoid-maniacal-desires-trump/
In this case metaphors are distracting capering squirrels.
@Molly
But a big part of the corruption involved manufacturing evidence for Trump's wrongdoing, which would not have been necessary if there was genuine evidence. It's not necessary to prove Trump did nothing wrong. The burden is on the accusers, and they have bupkes.
Molly at 1:20 PM
.... too many Trump supporters are ignoring the possibility of (c)Trump did something wrong, but the investigation was corrupt
What do you suppose that Trump did wrong?
Adam SchifF has replaced Harry Reid as the guy who will say anything for partisan gain - anything.
Well, they have Manafort dealing with sleazy foreigners abroad, and playing games as a foreign lobbyist etc., and maybe receiving payments under the table.
On the other hand, it is absurd to think that any of this is unknown in the careers of the masses of political fixers in Washington. What friends of friends paid people who worked for the Bushes, with money that ultimately came from the Saudis?
Following up my own comment at 1:30 PM
The purpose of the renewal was not to investigate Clarence Page's communications in 2017 and 2018. Rather, the purpose was to enable the FBI to continue to fish endlessly through Page's communications in 2015 and 2016. Rosenstein hoped that the FBI might find in Page's old communications some tidbit that would enable the Deep State to extend its RussiaGate hoax until the 2018 elections.
Whether or not the FBI ever found some tidbit in Page's old communications, the FISA renewal enabled the Deep State to assert that it still was conducting active investigations.
!! Wire-taps of suspects in Russia meddling currently are being conducted !!
That general statement would be leaked to Trump-hating journalists who would report this alleged justification for continuing the "investigation" until the 2018 elections.
Of course, the Trump-hating, leak-receiving journalists would not mention that the wire-tap was being conducted still on poor Clarence Page and that the "current wire-tap" is a fishing expedition of Page's communications in 2015 and 2016.
Sara Carter is now reporting that her sources inform her that former FBIDD McCabe had asked agents to alter some of their already-submitted reports and interviews irt the 'Russian' probe.
That would be huge...and if it bears out will only go further to support my belief that McCabe is rolling-over on the corruption in return for lenient sentencing and retaining his pension. I have no particular insights into this of course. All conjecture. However, if McCabe was engaging in criminal activities (and what Sara describes would be a clear crime) then I have to think that would be grounds for immediate dismissal and more punitive measures to follow. But he still has his pension... makes one wonder.
Could also be, as I pointed-out in another post, that McCabe's being put on terminal leave is just because CS rules make it so difficult to fire someone quickly: Just put McCabe on leave while jumping through CS the hoops to really can him.
Man, these next couple of weeks are going to be something.
"Well, they have Manafort dealing with sleazy foreigners abroad, and playing games as a foreign lobbyist etc., and maybe receiving payments under the table."
Manafort was working for the Democrat lobbying firm Podesta Group when this allegedly happened.
I still hear every day how Trump is an embarrassment for using rhetoric such as "shithole country", which was said (if said) in private. This charge is delivered everyday by people who PUBLICLY call for his decapitation, call him fat, obese, mentally deficient, a racist, a white supremacist, an ignoramus, and idiot, a fascist, and these same people relish in the distribution of the most vile doctored images of the President. They do these things very publicly, on air, and in print. I'm fine with that stuff, but don't act all self-righteous then when you have no self-awareness, no sense of irony, no decency, but tons of hypocrisy, and projection.
What they have Manafort for occurred well before his brief involvement with the Trump campaign.
"Manafort was working for the Democrat lobbying firm Podesta Group when this allegedly happened."
Yes, and so were, most certainly, a lot of others who were working for the Podesta group. And a host of other groups. Its a swarming mass of sleazy characters that all sides employ.
I love Buwaya, but he really needs to meet a better class of Americans. We are still fighting for our own culture every day, and our culture is not top down like London/Britain and Spain's. It is originally the the middle west and Appalachian wave of border Scots that have never been racist one second. Just do not declare that we are your enemies and fight with us. Then you too can win.
"It is originally the the middle west and Appalachian wave of border Scots that have never been racist one second."
Sadly, your sort is outnumbered. I'd rather that was not the case, but its so.
And this is most true in the systems where your leadership and upper classes are formed. Every country has a class structure, even if it is less well defined in some.
"The New Yorker used to have little bottom-of-column filler items called Block That Metaphor."
Back in the 1970s I sent one in that they published. It was from the novel "Looking for Mr. Goodbar."
https://books.google.com/books?id=nvnvAwAAQBAJ&printsec=frontcover&dq=looking+for+mr.+goodbar&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwj0_MatwIDZAhUI04MKHU7CDXkQ6AEIKTAA#v=onepage&q=press&f=false
"Then she realized that as usual she was being unfair to him, that neither he nor any of the children was the least bit concerned over his white sweater and well-tailored gray flannel pants, that they simply liked him because he didn't press them but waited for them to come to him and them gave them his full attention when they did."
If you read "he didn't press them" to refer to the pants, the end of the sentence is hilarious.
SGT Ted said...
Manafort was working for the Democrat lobbying firm Podesta Group when this allegedly happened.
And note how Mueller treated the other people in the Podesta Group. He tipped them off and told them to get their paperwork in order. Then they indicted Manafort.
They are going to drop the charges on Manafort rather than go through discovery on his counter suit.
His indictment was merely a tool to keep the investigation going.
To drive it home - you have to see the rot where it starts to cause the most damage -
UCLA Teaching Credential
Here is one - and I call it out not because it is an odd case, but because it is typical. They are ALL like this.
There is not even one hint that " the middle west and Appalachian wave of border Scots' are doing anything about this.
Good golly, Miss Molly! If Trump did something wrong (other than winning the election), you'd think we would have heard about it by now. Inspector Hound has been on the case for a while, and they (our betters in the news media) say the investigation has moved "from collusion to obstruction." As Gertrude Stein said about Oakland, there is no there there.
What is this investigation about? A prosecutor searching out (he knows not where) a crime (he knows not what). This isn't serious; it is hazing.
“One of the last things Obama did before he left office.
He expanded the ability of the NSA to share intelligence to other agencies.”
I think that the whole thing was maybe a bit more complex. Normally, intelligence is highly compartmentalized. One of the problems that his Administration had was how to get access for the political side to national security information involving their political enemies - notably the Trump campaign (and transition team). The way that they apparently got around compartmentalization is to include the information in Obama’s Presidential Daily Briefings (PDBs). While the various intelligence agencies still owned the underlying intelligence, the combination was owned by the White House, that could then control its distribution. Under Nixon, the only PDB recipients were POTUS and his faithful sidekick, Henry Kissinger. By the end, under Obama, the PDBs were apparently available to > 30, including political staffers like Ben Rhodes. Getting back to what was in them - in the past, PDBs mostly included summaries, with the details remaining in the agencies owning the intelligence. The Obama Administration moved some of the rawer intelligence into the PDBs, which could then be distributed to those > 30 people every day. And, it turns out that some of that rawer intelligence finding its way into the PDBs was apparently the results of “about” searches of the NSA 702 databases, likely on the (spurious) grounds of Russian collusion, with the search keys apparently being the names of the Trump campaign team. Which, of course, is where the loosening of the unmasking comes in - it would have done them little good if they couldn’t see who was doing what.
The interesting thing here is that the Obama Administration tweaked things a little, a little there, but never enough to get the suspicions up at the FISC, which had to approve the changes. In the end, FISA in general, and the 702 collections, had been weaponized for partisan advantage, despite strict prohibitions against any of it in the FISA statutes. US Persons, obviously mostly in the US, were being actively surveiled by our govt, using mechanisms designed to maximally protect just this class, while allowing our intelligence community to gather national security information around the world, and, in particular, outside the US. This all changed and started to fall apart in approximately October, 2016, when NSA Dir Adm Rogers went to the FISC with his initial findings from a 702 conformance review that he had initiated after detecting some questionable accesses. This is where it was discovered how 702 “about” queries were being abused, that there was an awful lot of unmasking going on, much requested from the WH by people in political and/or intelligence consuming positions, instead of intelligence generating positions, which is what is supposed to happen. And, ultimately that the infirect target of much of this was the Trump team. Plus, that the FBI had given some of its contractors (illegal) access to search the 702 databases. Critical parts of the FISC opinion discussing this have been declassified and published. (And it has been maybe 9 months since Nunes went over to the SCIF at the EOB to view those weaponized PDBs. They are no doubt still available for anyone else with the appropriate security clearances and need to know - including the execrable Adam Schiff).
The basic problem for Obama here is that he doesn’t have plausible deniability. The President has the ultimate control over what goes into his PDBs and who gets to see them. They are created daily for him. If he wasn’t reading them, and seeing all the illegal content in them, then why was that content in the PDBs in the first place? The subterfuge was that it was in there for him, and others, including political operators, just sometimes happened to see it. Content that for many of them, would have been illegal to request to see, and maybe even to actually see.
Axios aka Politico aka Journ-O-List
More on the rot -
Here is U of Iowa (the UW Madison School of Ed site is down - weird) College of Ed "vision" - read between the lines -
U Iowa Ed vision
"The phrase "it's a wash" refers to the act of cancellation or balance. Grime is added to a garment and then washed away. Something that is returning to its normal state after undergoing a recent change."
But "wash" in the sense of washing dirt out is not the same as having 2 things going on at the same time (in parallel developments) and then looking at them together and declaring it "a wash." It's not like one thing got "dirtied" by the other. The 2 things are both bad, but by viewing them together, you can declare a cancellation. It's more like a balance sheet. Why that got into the metaphor associated with cleaning, I wonder, because the thing that does the "cleaning" is really another dirty thing. Concretely, 2 dirty things don't clean each other. But 2 people holding debts to each other can do the math and figure out that no one owes anything.
“Manafort was working for the Democrat lobbying firm Podesta Group when this allegedly happened.”
Tell me that isn’t the same Podesta Group owned by Crooked Hillary campaign chair Leon Podesta and his brother, Tony.
John Lynch said...
Red Scare goes Nowhere.
1/30/18, 1:16 PM
Oh, look what Putin's puppet Trump is doing!
https://pjmedia.com/instapundit/287305/
WELL, THEY’RE NOT EXACTLY AWASH WITH OIL REVENUES ANYMORE: Russia military spending almost halved from 2015 peak and Russia near financial collapse.
Thanks, Frackers! Weird that the people most worried about Russians under their beds are the least supportive of fracking, the most powerful tool in existence against Russian power projection.
Posted at 2:00 pm by Glenn Reynolds
Bad, you usually write smart stuff, but this ^^ is crazy. it is pretty obvious that PDT is doing Putin's bidding.
What Putin needs to finally gain complete control over Russia and reinstate the Soviet Union, is a collapse of its military and economy. Once that occurs he can do something, something, something...and voila! Putin's happy. Thanks to his puppet, President Donald Trump.
That you don't see it is, frankly, disturbing.
John (not Leon) Podesta left the Podesta Lobbying group a decade ago to go to work for Hillary. His brother Tony left the group on the day of the Manafort indictment in which his firm was fingered for Russian/Ukranian shilling.
John has been busy chasing aliens (the outer space kind) and UFO's (for real). Tony has more or less disappeared since his resignation.
Where's Tony now? I think the answer is obvious. Good luck to John, aka Mulder, in his search. The truth is out there.
Public Service Announcement:
The above references to CLARENCE Page should be CARTER Page. Clarence is an older AFrican-American editorial writer for the Chicago Trib.
Traitors and seditionists will reject the truth as it does not comport with their reality. They are beyond the event horizon.
That you don't see it is, frankly, disturbing.
1/30/18, 2:47 PM
Quite so, Liver, I am the wurst.
I denounce myself. I'm beyond re-education. Which way to the Soylent factory?
(Our receptionist blames it on the moon. She's such a dear.)
A Wash is a deal accepting an offset claim applied to a debt without leaving any balance due.
"Taking a bath" means a debtor who filed a Bankruptcy having the same off set of his total debts by Court injunction. It is always about the cancelation of debts that gives a debtor a fresh start.
A Jewish Prophet from Nazareth named Jesus included a segment in his model prayer that has the supplicant offer a deal to cancel debts of his debtors to the extant that God cancels his debts, to be done by payment made in God's blood on Good Friday.
Ah, the wash concept. It is most familiar to investors who try to recognize a loss for tax purposes, but like the prospects of the company that they have sold--the IRS "wash sale" rules determine whether the loss will be allowed. If you sell a stock at a loss and then purchase it again (whether by direct purchase or option) within 30 days, the loss on the sale will not be recognized because the two transactions have washed each other out. There are some fine points that I haven't bothered to look up.
If Trump did something wrong (other than winning the election), you'd think we would have heard about it by now. Inspector Hound has been on the case for a while
I think we're in the fifth trimester. They may have deemed him unworthy, but outside of Planned Parenthood, they cannot [legally] abort him without cause. So, we must conclude that he is, in fact, viable, and a "person".
Livermoron said...
Bad, you usually write smart stuff, but this ^^ is crazy. it is pretty obvious that PDT is doing Putin's bidding.
He knows. He is making jokes.
Only a retard would think Putin and Russia were happy about the US electing a pro extraction America First nationalist populist.
I like the idea of so many people trying defend or discredit a memo they haven't seen.
Ach:
baZoom! My shot just passed over your head. Please re-read my comment for clarity.
Also this: Only a retard would think Putin and Russia were happy about the US electing a pro extraction America First nationalist populist.
Cue Ingarage.
The Las Vegas Wash to wash your sins away.
"Manafort was working for the Democrat lobbying firm Podesta Group when this allegedly happened."
-- The other thing to remember is that Podesta's group was doing the same exact things Manafort is going to trial for. Only the FBI gave them a head's up to fix their books instead of arresting them.
Because that's fair.
Althouse rockin' the exegesis!
JJM862 - can't agree with you.
Most of the Nunes memo supporters here are couching their language with terms like "it it is true' and 'assuming the GOP hasn't overstated its case'.
It is those on the left who derogate it and claim it lacks verity. That side won't even entertain that the memo may be true.
I'd say one side is cautiously hopeful and the other side is issuing base denials. Only one of those reactions is justified considering that the public hasn't seen the memo yet.
Now revealed: The Cody Shearer Dossier
Which is said to confirm certain details in the Steel Dossier. For example, the "Golden Shower" fairy tale.
The Guardian
Second Trump-Russia dossier being assessed by FBI
Exclusive: memo written by former journalist Cody Shearer independently sets out some of the allegations made by ex-spy Christopher Steel
"...The Shearer memo was provided to the FBI in October 2016.
It was handed to them by Steele – who had been given it by an American contact – after the FBI requested the former MI6 agent provide any documents or evidence that could be useful in its investigation, according to multiple sources."
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2018/jan/30/trump-russia-collusion-fbi-cody-shearer-memo
NRO did a profile of Shearer in 2015:
"Meet Cody Shearer, the Strangest Character in Hillary’s Vast Left-Wing Conspiracy
And you thought Sidney Blumenthal was shady..."
http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419131/meet-cody-shearer-strangest-character-hillarys-vast-left-wing-conspiracy-brendan
Hard to believe a guy like this is now crawling out of the woodwork.
Bruce Hayden at 2:24 PM
I think that the whole thing was maybe a bit more complex. ...
What an excellent explanation !!
Molly
If Trump is innocent, as per two of your options, he should be exonerated.
If the Trump is guilty but the process is corrupt as we can show the process as being corrupt, the victim of the corruption (Trump) is according to our jurisprudence let free.
The only was to nail Trump is if a) he is guilty (which the Left decided BEFORE the investigation began) and b) the process is not corrupt.
I would not hold long odds on that process not being corrupt. It already has a pungent odor coming from it.
The Left has been trying to move the stock market down over the last two days to send Trump a message to back off. See the words they use for the 300 point drop--tumble, plunge, collapse. They think people are so stupid that they'll panic at a 300 point drop--as if the DJIA were still 1000, not 30,000.
Rep. Adam Schiff of California, the Intelligence Committee's top Democrat....
I understand that Schiff also does a mean Barney Fife imitation.
Axios - "Couple that fact with some genuinely troubling text messages between FBI agents, and the Fox News chorus warning of a Deep State coup, and you have the makings of a disorientation machine."
Sounds more like a compass to me.
From StephenFearby's link:
"Shearer’s career took a strange turn when the Clintons entered the White House in 1992. His entrée into the first family’s orbit was Strobe Talbott, Shearer’s brother-in-law, who had been a friend of Bill Clinton since the president’s days at Oxford. Talbott served as a deputy secretary in Bill Clinton’s State Department; his brother-in-law took a different route, allegedly working with Clinton enforcer Terry Lenzner to investigate and, at times, intimidate women who accused Bill Clinton of sexual harassment.
But Shearer’s political intrigues in the ’90s extended beyond U.S. shores. In the middle of the decade, for reasons that remain unclear, he traveled to Europe to negotiate with associates of Radovan Karadzic, the Bosnian-Serb president known to have orchestrated the mass killings of Bosnian Muslims — including the Srebrenica genocide — during the brutal Yugoslav Wars. Representing himself as an agent of the State Department, Shearer told his Serbian contacts, which included members of Karadzic’s family, that he could reduce the severity of impending war-crimes charges if Karadzic surrendered. He claimed he was in contact not only with his brother-in-law, but also with then-secretary of state Madeleine Albright and even with President Clinton himself."
Read more at: http://www.nationalreview.com/article/419131/meet-cody-shearer-strangest-character-hillarys-vast-left-wing-conspiracy-brendan
Oh, he sounds credible Inga!!
Just another piece of corrupt Democrat filth.
Ken M is a very funny internet commenter, if you like that sort of thing.
Yes, and Axios is blowing smoke up our ass.
More metaphors.
And another one.
"Secret" memo?
WTF?
Last one, promise.
OK, I lied.
Polyatheism.
A Fox News report says two additional FBI officials have reviewed the FISA memo and have found no "factual inaccuracies" in it.
Stock market took a dive. Can’t wait to hear Trump talk about the stock market.
OK, I lied.
I am so amazed, not have caught you in a lie, but that you own up to it.
OMG ! The stock market lost 1.375 % today ! It's a bloodbath ! Thank heavens it didn't go down to what it was when we all thought Hillary would be elected !
Stock market took a dive. Can’t wait to hear Trump talk about the stock market.
And if it spiked, would you say the same thing?
Of course not. Because you're a dishonest hack who is willing to throw any squirrel into the mix to distract attention away from your fellow, leftist thugs.
“Tempted to buy this dip? You might not be after reading this dire prediction.”
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/tempted-to-buy-this-dip-you-might-not-be-after-reading-this-dire-prediction-2018-01-30
The hilarious leak of the laughable Cody Shearer/Sydney Blumenthal "corroboration" of the laughable unvetted unocorroborated hoax dossier on top of Nancy Pelosi's guffaw-inducing performance with Chris Cuomo (who is her pal!) tells us precisely what the level of panic is amongst the insiders who know just how much information there is out there showing how far the dems went to illegally spy on domestic political opponents and weaponize intelligence.
You will know the dems have reached Peak Panic when the they begin to attack, in a serious way, IG Horowitz prior to release of his year-long, million+ government document-based Inspector Generals report on corruption at the FBI/DOJ in February.
BTW, we haven't even begun to speak about the Presidential Daily Brief records that were likely to be the documents Devin Nunes read in the White House SCIF early last year.
We are likely to find that those PDB's will have been chock full of unredacted Trump campaign/family/associates info after the illegal spying and that highly classified data was made available to over 30+ individuals daily in the obama white house, including purely political appointees.
All of that info was then spread broadly with limited controls after obama "quietly" greatly expanded distribution rules late in 2016.
If you want to know why a state dept hack like Evelyn Farkas was running around Europe telling her international peers that Trump, in the event he won the election, would never even make it to the inauguration, well, now you know how she came across the info.
Here's a fun video documenting it from 2016 PRIOR to the election:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pl_RATH89UM
Go to the 10:00 mark to catch Evelyn's answer about what she thinks would happen if Trump somehow were to win.
At right around 11:00 she mentions that if he was elected he would be impeached right away and replaced.
Farkas quote: "And actually, if Donald Trump were elected I believe he would be impeached pretty quickly, or somebody else would have to take over government. And I'm not even joking."
I wonder where this State Dept, non-intel person, who happened to have access to the PDB info, might have gotten the idea that Trump would be impeached quickly if he won PRIOR tot the election?
I wonder indeed....
replying to comments on my earlier (1:20) comment.
james K at 1:47. It's possible that Trump (or associates) did something wrong (for example making a deal with the Russians to support Trump's presidential run in exchange for reducing sanctions after Trump entered office) but that it was too hard to find convincing evidence that would hold up in a court without using made-up (notice I didn't use "trumped-up") evidence to convince the FISA court to allow a wiretap to collect the evidence against Trump associates. So a policeman might plant a gun at a crime scene to prove that the actual killer was a killer.
Mike Sylwester at 1:50. I don't suppose that Trump did anything wrong, but you know the list of allegations: collusion (see my response above to James K), moneylaundering, or some allegation I can't quite tie down that the Trump campaign hired a Russian agent, Carter Page.
Amadeus 48 at 2:21. If there is no evidence of a crime, the investigation will show. But I think it is too soon to say "they haven't filed charges yet, so they never will."
FIDO at 3:18. I agree, but I see a lot of pro-Trump comments along the lines of "the investigation is corrupt, so Trump is innocent," and a see a lot of anti-Trump comments along the lines of "Trump is guilty so the investigation is not corrupt."
For Chuck:
'He cheats like hell': Trump's pro golfing partner on president's playing style
“Tempted to buy this dip? You might not be after reading this dire prediction.”
Spoken like a guy with a lot of short positions to cover.
Did someone loan Chris Cuomo a pair of balls and some integrity? He actually asked Nancy Pelosi some reasonable questions. She looks like she's passing a stone. She really doesn't want that nothingburger memo released.
https://hotair.com/archives/2018/01/30/pelosi-cnns-chris-cuomo-memo-dont-know-youre-talking/
Inga: "Stock market took a dive. Can’t wait to hear Trump talk about the stock market."
Looks like someone doesn't understand the impact of a rising Interest Rate as well as massive new entrant and disruptor into the health care industry.
BTW, this is awesome news: Bezos with his Amazon behemoth along with Berkshire Hathaway and JP Morgan Chase have jumped into the health care "biz" and this has caused the established Health Care stocks to take a bit of a hit.
And why not? When a group as big as Amazon/Berkshire-Hathaway/JP Morgan Chase say they are coming after you, its gotta give you jitters!
Bezos and gang intend to create a health association arrangement, which, by the way, is one of the pillars of the Trump philosophy for lowering health care costs.
Inga and LLR Chuck hardest hit again.
But in a good way, because in the near term they can expect their psychiatric care costs to decrease due to increased competition.
Oops.
I said "competition". That usually gives Robert Cook hives....which he should be able to have treated at less cost soon!
Inga: "Stock market took a dive. Can’t wait to hear Trump talk about the stock market."
Why should Trump talk about it?
The lefties keep telling us this is obama's economy.
Or did that change in the last 27 minutes?
AReasonableMan said...
For Chuck: 'He cheats like hell': Trump's pro golfing partner on president's playing style"
Sure.
Norwegian gal golfer who hates Trump. I'm sure that's a great take on things.
Meanwhile, here's the real scoop from John Daly about Trump playing and who the real cheater is (hint: when he's not busy raping chicks and getting millions of dem votes for it, it's Billy Boy Clinton)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBI3XZCD3Gk
Unexpectedly
This is rhetorical mess. What ever happened to the prohibition against mixing metaphors?
Be cool to see him refute the Trump claims instead of simply dismissing them as unhelpful to the goal of removing Trump.
In other bad news for LLR Chuck and his pal ARM, apparently Stormy Daniels has issued another strong denial (her 5th in 10 years) regarding an affair with Donald Trump.
Perhaps ARM could reach out to the "reputable" Sydney Blumenthal associate Cody Shearer and engage him to find out the "real story" and then feed that to the FBI. I recommend laundering the info through another hack dem oppo research firm first though.
I understand obama holdovers in the FBI need additional "evidence" to launch another illegal 4th amendment-violating domestic surveillance program against Trump.
It the stock market back below 20,000? I better check! I thought they went up forever in straight line!
Stormy “The Squirrel” Daniels, nothing ARM loves like a squirrel.
Jupiter: "Did someone loan Chris Cuomo a pair of balls and some integrity?"
Are you kidding?
Cuomo was giving li'l Nancy Freeze-up the opportunity to appear reasonable before launching into an attack.
But li'l Nancy Micro-stroke is so oblivious and panicked she just lashed out uncontrollably.
It was fantastic.
I know what some of you are wondering after viewing Nancy's performance: Why isn't she 50 points ahead?!
OMG, its almost down the the 26K that was unimaginably high just a couple of months ago! Trump is doooooomed, DOOOOOMED! Blue wave coming as Inga’s hoped for economic crash is here!
Is that the same Stormy Daniels who recently appeared at the Trophy strip club in Greenville, S.C., in a show entitled "Making America Horny Again"? I hear she's also going to be on the Jimmy Kimmel show straight after the SOTU address.
Leftists loving the FBI and hating the Russians? Whooda thunk it? Gotta be starring Meryl Streep playing Ethel Rosenberg too. J Edgar gotta be laughing so hard it caused an earthquake in Alaska!
Apparently, the stock market had to lose 300+ points in order to simply be a Magnificent gain since Trump assumed office.
LOL
It had to regress a bit to be simply awesome!
I apologize to LLR Chuck for accidentally using the term "magnificent" to describe something other than obama.
“Why should Trump talk about it?”
Are you saying Trump had no intention of mentioning the stock market in his speech tonight?
LOL.
Yeah, 26,000 Dow. that’s a bummer because stock markets only climb straight up! It should be at 27,000 by now on the way to 50,000 October 2020. He has really lost his mojo!
AReasonableMan: "Is that the same Stormy Daniels who recently appeared at the Trophy strip club in Greenville, S.C., in a show entitled "Making America Horny Again"? I hear she's also going to be on the Jimmy Kimmel show straight after the SOTU address."
Yes indeed.
And her strong statement is dated.....wait for it....today. January 30, 2018.
It sounds to me as though she doesn't want to go along with the lies you guys want to tell but is still quite enamored of the idea of being on national television.
Something tells me her lack of shyness should probably surprise none of us.
Not to worry, I understand there are some recently released/demoted FBI/DOJ personnel who have some free time on their hands and are probably available for some freelance private detective work to get the "real story" on this.
Inga: "Are you saying Trump had no intention of mentioning the stock market in his speech tonight?"
No.
Do you realize the first clue that I was not saying that was that......(wait for it)..... that I didn't say that!
From now on your first clue about what someone is saying or not saying is whether or not they actually said it.
I hope that helps.
Remember how cool ARM thought that blow jobs in the West Wing were. Now he’s a major pearl clutcher!
According to Chuck Schumer, just this morning, Trump is supposed to say "Thanks Obama" for the economy.
Market drops 300 points today.
"Thanks Obama!"
(I had to do that because not doing what the dems tell you to do means you are a racist)
Tim in Vermont: "Remember how cool ARM thought that blow jobs in the West Wing were."
I think you meant "Stogie Jobs".
Which is totally, totally Presidential. But ONLY if you give them to interns and not your wife.
I know what you are thinking: when it comes to cigars being shoved up gals in the White House, why wasn't Hillary up to 50?!
“Do you realize the first clue that I was not saying that was that......(wait for it)..... that I didn't say that!
From now on your first clue about what someone is saying or not saying is whether or not they actually said it.”
Hahahahahah! This coming from you, now that’s rich.
Yeah, everbody knows that putting out regulations at a rate of a ream a week, and shutting down fracking, and keeping corporate taxes at the highest rate in the west is the recipe! As soon as investors realize the policies have changed, we will see Inga’s crash!
Inga: "Hahahahahah! This coming from you, now that’s rich."
Nonsense.
I have it on "solid" oppo research dossiers compiled by totally, like, totes professional oppo researchers that its true.
I plan on laundering it thru a fake dem oppo research group to the FBI so that every internet poster who does that can be properly investigated.
You see, I'm just trying to live up to the latest dem rules in order to avoid being labeled racist.
I’m saving your own words to use on you Drago...wait for it.
Inga: "I’m saving your own words to use on you Drago...wait for it"
Just as long as you don't forward them to the Highly Credible, Scooby-Doo Investigative "journalist" Cody Shearer. I hear he has an "In" with the 4th amendment violating obama FBI holdovers.
I don't want no trouble.
Molly @ 1:20
I see too many people who either believe (a) "Trump did nothing wrong, the investigation was corrupt," or (b) "Trump did something wrong, the investigation was not corrupt". But people are ignoring the other possibilities neither of which is internally inconsistent with logic: (c) "Trump did something wrong, but the investigation was corrupt" and (d) "Trump did nothing wrong and the investigation was not corrupt."
Logic which ignores facts is not logical. We have already proven corruption within the intelligence agencies on multiple grounds and occasions. We have seen no evidence that Trump colluded with the Russians in any way, and it was always a laughable idea that Trump would be the pick of the Russians. His energy policy alone was a great disadvantage to them.
The first, and one of the most dire, was in the joint intelligence assessment released that they had grounds to believe that the Russians were trying to interfere with the election. AFTER Trump was elected, Obama gave that press conference at which he stated that the integrity of the voting was not implicated and that the Russian interference evidence was based on the DNC hack. But since, we have very strong evidence that the DNC hack was an inside job, and even when the original joint intelligence assessment was publicized, everyone outside the government who looked at their released evidence thought it didn't prove anything. The best one could assume from that is that the intelligence agencies are completely incompetent, which at that level, constitutes a guilty level of negligence exercised in a terribly problematic way during an active election, and dovetailing with claims made by one of the candidates. Molly, if you do not see that you are effectively blind!
The second set of proofs we have are that the internal controls (required by law) regarding FISA information were violated by some one who had top level access at the WH. This is established. It's not in dispute.
The third set of proofs we have is that it was DHS which was caught probing voter databases/state systems in multiple states.
The fourth set of proofs we have are those which are just emerging now - the texts, etc.
This is not a matter of a corrupt investigation - it is a matter of an investigation which was set up to cover up corruption and lawbreaking at high levels. The investigation itself could be conducted without corruption but still would be tainted due to its reasons for existence. There has to a cause for an investigation before one is launched. That is a fundamental safeguard.
Even now the Washington Post is "accidentally" reporting that the IG is also investigating Totally On The Up And Up Andrew McCabe ALSO purposely slow walked another of the Hillary email shenanigans close to the election in order to shield his gal.
Because he was "With Her".
And, oh yeah, early reports from sources who have been right every step of the way in the last year, it appears that Totally Professional/Straight Arrow McCabe also asked FBI Agents to materially alter their 302 interview notes from witness meetings.
Nothing to see. Move along. Move along now.
Poor ARM and LLR Chuck.
Swing and a miss on the golf lies from a lefty gal and Stormy Daniels decides to come up with a new answer to an old question...
OOPS
Sorry.
It's the same consistent answer she has given forcefully for over 10 years.
Keep hope alive ARM!
Or go ask Sydney Blumenthal!
Show us the Memo!
Show us the IG Report!
Show us the Strzok-Page texts!
Show us the FISA application!
And, of course, Stormy Daniels, show us your........!
“But since, we have very strong evidence that the DNC hack was an inside job...”
What is the evidence?
“The second set of proofs we have are that the internal controls (required by law) regarding FISA information were violated by some one who had top level access at the WH. This is established. It's not in dispute.”
Yes this is in dispute actually.
“The fourth set of proofs we have are those which are just emerging now - the texts, etc.”
No, that is only your opinion, it’s proof of nothing.
“This is not a matter of a corrupt investigation - it is a matter of an investigation which was set up to cover up corruption and lawbreaking at high levels.”
Proof?
“The investigation itself could be conducted without corruption but still would be tainted due to its reasons for existence. There has to a cause for an investigation before one is launched. That is a fundamental safeguard.”
Obviously there was a cause, you and I both don’t know what Mueller and the FBI knows.
“Show us the Memo!
Show us the IG Report!
Show us the Strzok-Page texts!
Show us the FISA application! “
Added to the above...
Show us the Democratic Response Memo!
And I don’t need to see the bimbo’s boobs.
"And I don’t need to see the bimbo’s boobs."
Why not? I would think they are important evidence.
Inga: "Show us the Democratic Response Memo!"
Why didn't the dems show the republicans the dem memo last night?
"And I don’t need to see the bimbo’s boobs."
“Why not? I would think they are important evidence.”
Do you think Trump’s fingerprints are still all over them?
I wonder if Inga even knows that the dems refused to share their "memo" with the republicans last night?
I'll bet she doesn't!
LOL
Inga: "Do you think Trump’s fingerprints are still all over them?"
Inga calls Stormy Daniels a liar.
Behold: Feminism!
Apparently, Inga forgot that we are supposed to "Believe All Women!!!eleventy!!11!"
In Inga's defense, "Believe All Women" was, like totally yesterday, and history began anew this morning.
“Why didn't the dems show the republicans the dem memo last night?”
It appears that they have seen it by now.
On Monday, the committee voted to make the Democratic memo available to all House members – but not the public. Conaway said he was open to making it public after House members have a chance to review it.”
https://www.csmonitor.com/USA/Politics/2018/0130/Defying-Justice-Department-House-Republicans-vote-to-release-classified-memo
Well! that didn’t take long, lol.
“Inga calls Stormy Daniels a liar.”
“From now on your first clue about what someone is saying or not saying is whether or not they actually said it.”
Inga, after having been exposed as a Schiff-ty li'l gal on the fake vote demanded by the dems last night on the memo they refused to share with republicans, is now apparently upset that the republicans, once shown the memo today, immediately voted in the affirmative to allow all House members to see it, which is standard procedure and precisely the process the republican memo went thru.
Soooooooo, the problem is....what again?
Inga: "Do you think Trump’s fingerprints are still all over them?"
Why would Trump's fingerprints be "all over them" if it never happened?
"Inga calls Stormy Daniels a liar."
Yep.
"Do you think Trump’s fingerprints are still all over them?"
Wouldn't you like to know?
“Why would Trump's fingerprints be "all over them" if it never happened?”
Drago, so naive.
“Inga, after having been exposed as a Schiff-ty li'l gal on the fake vote demanded by the dems last night on the memo they refused to share with republicans, is now apparently upset that the republicans, once shown the memo today, immediately voted in the affirmative to allow all House members to see it, which is standard procedure and precisely the process the republican memo went thru.”
“From now on your first clue about what someone is saying or not saying is whether or not they actually said it.”
"Do you think Trump’s fingerprints are still all over them?"
“Wouldn't you like to know?”
Ew, no actually I wouldn’t.
You were exposed as a Schiff-ty li'l gal.
But then again, when you run with Schiff-ties, some of it is bound to rub off.
"Drago, so naive. "
Quite.
The real question is whether they are of such quality that the temptation to which Trump was subjected was beyond the normal range of human resistance. Granted this is subjective. Subjective but informative nonetheless.
Inga: "Ew, no actually I wouldn’t."
You already know.
The answer is "no".
According to every single person involved.
But I forgot, it's time to Not Believe Women, at least for the next 15 minutes after which We Can Believe All Women Again!
Huzzah!
#IngaConsistency
Inga: "Drago, so naive."
Inga call Stormy Daniels a liar again.
That's twice in one thread.
Behold: Feminism!
Inga,
Be honest. Tell us what benefits (financial or otherwise) you get from repeating, copying and pasting DNC talking points.
BTW, only idiots look at short term performance in the stock market. It is a self correcting FREE ENTERPRISE mechanism. That's why you lefty commissar wannabes hate it.
"BTW, only idiots look at short term performance in the stock market. "
The fundamentals aren't there yet for a real correction. We can expect one eventually, but earnings season is here and the rumor mill is full of good news.
“The real question is whether they are of such quality that the temptation to which Trump was subjected was beyond the normal range of human resistance. Granted this is subjective. Subjective but informative nonetheless.”
I’ll wager a bet that Melania’s are far superior to the bimbo’s. No fake humongous bimbo boobs should have driven him to cheat on his gorgeous wife.
If McCabe told people to alter their records and tried to hide Clinton's donation to his wife's campaign, I'd hope there's a bribery investigation going on.
Inga said...
"And I don’t need to see the bimbo’s boobs."
You go ahead and rush to judgment, Igna. The rest of us intend to examine *all* of the evidence. Very carefully.
“Be honest. Tell us what benefits (financial or otherwise) you get from repeating, copying and pasting DNC talking points.”
Be honest and tell the folks here why a nursing home psychologist is obsessed with Inga. I’m not even 65 yet.
“The rest of us intend to examine *all* of the evidence. Very carefully.”
Fine, they’re all yours and Buwaya’s. Drago wants no part of it, because she’s as innocent as the driven snow.
@Buwaya
I can't remember the author of the quote, but someone said that the stock market operates on two emotions: fear and greed.
Without making any value judgement on either emotion, the best thing is that they self-correct.
Bernard Baruch said that he could absolutely predict stock market performance: It will go up and it will go down. Then it will go up and down. Up and down.
It's the trend line that's important. I know you understand that. I'm just trying to educate the leftists here.
We have sure come a long way when we have moved from Trump is crazy for claiming he was wiretapped all the way to the NYT "protect the lefty deep staters" article about how it was so reasonable for the dems to get a wiretap authorization to spy on Trump.
And at no point do the lefties ever admit their previous position.
Well, again, in their defense, all that stuff was, like, days ago, and history began anew this morning.
Since a lot of people don't seem to be aware of it, I will point out that there is no crime, federal, state or municipal, called "Colluding With Russians". That is not to say that it is not possible to collude with Russians in such a way as to commit a crime. Just that one can collude with Russians without committing a crime. In fact, as best I can make out, everyone in Washington DC spends about half of their time colluding with Russians. It's really pretty amazing. Those poor Russians must be worn to a frazzle.
Inga,
You like to use the word "obsessed."
I smell a big heaping pile of projection there. It's a favored defense of lefty fascists.
Inga: "Drago wants no part of it, because she’s as innocent as the driven snow."
Wow.
Feminist Inga moves from calling Stormy Daniels a liar to slut shaming her!!
Behold: Feminism!
Interesting, just the other day Stormy might just be the gal we all Had To Listen To and she was going to be on Kimmel!!
Today?
Well, the word has gone out to all the good little lefty "feminists" to slut shame her and call her a liar.
Jupiter: "Since a lot of people don't seem to be aware of it, I will point out that there is no crime, federal, state or municipal, called "Colluding With Russians"."
That's been the point all along.
Dershowitz has been screaming this at the top of his lungs forever.
And what did he get for it?
Inga's and LLR Chuck's pals actually called Alan Dershowitz a "nazi". Literally.
In precisely the same way Inga slut shames Stormy Daniels today.
Pay attention LLR Chuck. As soon as your lefty allies tire of you (and lets face it, that's inevitable isn't it?) they will do the same to you!
I notice that Axios has no comment section so that they cannot be called out on their BS.
“Since a lot of people don't seem to be aware of it, I will point out that there is no crime, federal, state or municipal, called "Colluding With Russians". That is not to say that it is not possible to collude with Russians in such a way as to commit a crime. Just that one can collude with Russians without committing a crime.”
The collusion in question could be Conspiracy to Violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act. We won’t be privy to the results of the Mueller investigation until it’s over. We don’t know what he has.
Inga said...
"Fine, they’re all yours and Buwaya’s. Drago wants no part of it, because she’s as innocent as the driven snow."
I don't think that Drago's position is actually that a porn star is innocent, nor even that Trump is. He just disputes this particular alleged indiscretion.
And BTW, driven snow is noteworthy for purity, not "innocence". Get your cliches straight.
By the way, did you know that Axios is (Democrat/progressive) government-funded?? Or more specifically, funded by taxpayers (and I'm one) who have their money involuntarily taken from them by government to be given to this operation?
"The collusion in question could be Conspiracy to Violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act."
LOL
Mueller and his Deep State team are solely focused on creating an obstruction of justice charge out of thin air.
Literally due to potential "thought crimes" according to Dershowitz.
That's how absurd this is.
But we shouldn't listen to Dershowitz because the lefties tell us he is a Nazi.
And Nunes is a Russian Agent!! (that one was pushed on MSNBC this very morning!)
So much for a free and independent press.
Three possible crimes that Mueller could discover occurred.
Conspiracy to violate the Computer Fraud and Abuse Act
Obstruction of Justice
Money Laundering
MaxedoutMama at 5:06. I don't think I can break through the "your mother wears combat boots -- No your mother wears combat boots" discussion. I think you've done a great job of laying out the corruption case. But where you aver (for example), "FISA violations are not in dispute," I just say you must only be reading people who agree with you. Go to the Washington Post or NYTImes and read the comments section on any story in this area, and you will see that these claims are in dispute. I'm strongly inclined to see things your way, but let's reserve the term "not in dispute" to describe things that are not in dispute.
So. We know McCabe met with Stzork. They discussed an insurance policy against Trump. Stzork changed his opinion on whether to believe Flynn. I'm willing to believe McCabe may have talked to people about changing what they thought about people they interviewed.
So, we start with Obama spied on the Republican Party, Clinton colluded with domestic and foreign parties, and the DNC denied the nomination to the Jew, while journolists from the NYT, WaPo, etc. carried out public lynchings and witch trials in a cover-up.
So much for a free and independent press
It never existed. The traditional and physical method of discerning a signal is through multiple, independent sources ("diversity"). While this does not confirm the character of the source, it does allow you to scientifically assess its effects.
Starting in the 20s we had real and serious Russian collusion in the government. As i actual agents in positions of high policy and others with access to the most sensitive infor ation like the pentagon map room. Even, perhaps, (or perhaps not) a vice president.
Wisconsin's own Sen Joe mccarthy tried to get to the bottom of it.
He is still loudly vilified, mostly by demmies.
Does anyone really think this is about Russian collusion bt trump?
John Henry
"No fake humongous bimbo boobs should have driven him to cheat on his gorgeous wife."
"Should" is a poor constraint. And, of course de gustibus non est disputandum.
I suspect that a good number of billionaires are the sort of chap who in a different age would be some Pasha inclined to keep a substantial harem of wives and concubines.
Interesting stuff at Conservative Treehouse which is overlaying Strzok/Page texts with reporter Devlin Barrett reporting.
It would appear that the lefty/LLR fallback position that Strzok and Page were really okey dokey and just trying to hide their affair was started by a Barrett story where the likely unnamed sources were in fact.....Strzok and Page.
Gee, there certainly does seem to be some untensely affectionate and understanding relationships between the Deep State lefties and LLR Chucks beloved lefty media types.
Inga, dont bother going to that site. There wouldnt be enough slut shaming there to satisfy you.
“It's possible that Trump (or associates) did something wrong (for example making a deal with the Russians to support Trump's presidential run in exchange for reducing sanctions after Trump entered office) but that it was too hard to find convincing evidence that would hold up in a court without using made-up (notice I didn't use "trumped-up") evidence to convince the FISA court to allow a wiretap to collect the evidence against Trump associates. ”
Except that it doesn’t work that way. The purpose of FISA warrants is to protect national security, and not detect or document crimes. Fire that, you need a Wiretap Act warrant that conforms to the 4th Amdt. Crimes inadvertently discovered while employing a FISA warrant can be prosecuted. Otherwise, if advertency can be shown, then anything discovered through a FISA warrant is not admissible.
ARM
Ken M pretty good.
Check this guy. He actually scams the Nigerian scammers.
419 eater. Scams the scammers
Was Fusion GPS pitching and funding journalists to run smear and propaganda campaigns for the Democrats? DiGenova says journalists were definitely paid by Fusion GPS. If it is true, he says, “it’s the complete antithesis of American journalism and the first amendment.” -- “Law enforcement is being corrupted and media is being bought,” portends badly he says. Noting the elite media’s supposed outrage about governmental power and institutions during Watergate, diGenova says “the only thing the American journalism community seems to care about now is destroying Donald Trump.”
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aa95jLxZfc4
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