Set to march in the parade’s 67th spot this year was the Multnomah County Republican Party, a fact that so outraged two self-described antifascist groups in the deep blue Oregon city that they pledged to protest and disrupt the April 29 event.So now that's all it takes to end freedom of expression in Portland. What a flimsy, pathetic place.
Then came an anonymous and ominous email, according to parade organizers, that instructed them to cancel the GOP group’s registration — or else... 200 people would “rush into the parade” and “drag and push” those marching with the Republican Party.
“We will not give one inch to groups who espouse hatred toward LGBT, immigrants, people of color or others,” it said....
And it was only a threat to drag and push a specific set of people who were going to be present at a particular place and time. Do the police in Portland not know how to manage crowds? Let the parade happen, let the protesters arrive and protest, and deal with the situation as it unfolds. If you won't do that, you don't have a free society.
ADDED: The threat to shut down roads is particularly absurd to me after what I've seen in Madison down at the state capitol. When the protesters were coming, the police themselves would shut down the roads to make it easier on everyone. I've also seen the police here deal with situations where they knew antagonistic groups were going to be in the same place at the same time. There are techniques for this. You don't just give up and say now we can't assemble in groups anymore.
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240 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»The Portland city officials are in sympathy with the fascist protestors.
They just needed an excuse. My wife's son lives a hour from Portland and it is like a different state,.
The lefties had better stay in the cities.
The police will do, or not do what the Mayor tells them to.
Portland is Madison on methajuana.
If only they would look to Donald Trump as example of what happens when you stand up to bullies, we're lucky to have Trump as our president.
Althouse is right. This is incredibly sad. The cops have guns! Handcuffs! Arrest them and throw them in jail.
And can't they cyber wizards find the people who sent the email?
Completely un-American to cancel a parade.
The parade should go on without the approval of the City. Just do it.
The Heckler's veto has moved to a new level.
free speech is like a train. Once you arrive at your destination, Portlandia, you get off.
I don't think the Rose Festival parade has been cancelled. That's not until June. This is a different parade that was supposed to take place this weekend.
We are spoiled in the Great Experiment called The United States of America. We are free because we are free to speak out. That is why speech is under total attack. Portland is all cowards who will not fight for freedom anymore.
Back in DeToquevilles country they give jail time for any hint about admitting millions of Muslim refugees being a bad idea.Free Speech is illegal in the EU.
Why can't Trump/Sessions flood these areas (cities and universities) with FBI and DOJ attorneys? Like Obama did in Ferguson. Do an investigation and make them sign a consent decree protecting individuals rights to free speech.
"You don't just give up." If you sympathize with the prog thugs, and you want them to succeed, you do.
The Rose Parade was part of East Portland's attempts at economic development. According to an article I recently read, East Portland has taken it in the shorts since being annexed by white liberal Portland. An example was that when sewers lines needed work in East Portland the residents had to pay up for their portion but when a big sewer renovation was needed for white liberal Portland, the city passed the hat to everybody. Once again E. Portland is abused by the right thinkers.
I suggested you not move there. This is why.
Left Bank informs us: I don't think the Rose Festival parade has been cancelled. That's not until June. This is a different parade that was supposed to take place this weekend.
Yes. Another misleading not-quite-fake-news headline.
They'll need to start mass producing this sign of the times: "Today's event is cancelled due to fascism."
You said "giving up."
How naïve.
Portland went for Hillary 74 to 19 percent. So Republicans are a small minority, only 60,000 people. The other 270,000 are OK with beating up the 60,000. Because - liberal fascist.
Or - why not put the 60,000 Republicans in camps to protect them? Camps out in the country-side. Oh wait - the percentages are reversed out in the countryside. So maybe not a good idea. Any of it.
@Left Bank
If you are right I can't understand the first 2 paragraphs of the linked article:
"For 10 years, the 82nd Avenue of Roses Business Association has kicked off the city of Portland’s annual Rose Festival with a family-friendly parade meant to attract crowds to its diverse neighborhood.
"Set to march in the parade’s 67th spot this year was the Multnomah County Republican Party, a fact that so outraged two self-described antifascist groups in the deep blue Oregon city that they pledged to protest and disrupt the April 29 event."
Alternate headline: "Portland on its knees, begging for more Trump."
All bs. Check out party affiliation of the governing heads in Portland. Bingo.
Thanks Obama and the left!! THIS is all on you...
Ann, a few weeks ago I commented about Portland and you responded that Madison is also kind of quirky. Now you know that Portland has gone well past quirky. Portlanders don't like to talk about this, so you have to learn about it in other ways. Now you know.
"On Tuesday, the business association buckled, announcing it would cancel the parade altogether."
It wasn't the police, or the mayor, it was a corporation. Just like the YAF in SF.
It's not just that Republicans got suppressed. The Republicans were a small part of a big parade. They had the 67th spot, so there were at least 66 other groups that got squelched. And all the people who wanted to watch the parade got something taken away. The thugs were allowed to win everything without even showing up.
You don't just give up and say now we can't assemble in groups anymore.
Unless you surreptitiously support those threatening violence.
The Left believes the "Heckler's Veto" is a good thing.
Human nature is fairly consistent. The group with a power advantage desiring to repress opposition where they can. You see it everywhere--school boards; city councils; on Facebook, Yahoo, and Twitter; in the South during the Reconstruction; in the South during the Jim Crow era; throughout the country during the McCarthy era; during the last two years with BLM; and now in Berkeley and Portland during the Antifa era.
The local authorities in Berkeley or Portland--see the cops in various videos--are no more likely to intervene on behalf of the disfavored group of rightward students than Bull Connor was likely to intervene to protect the Civil Rights Marchers if they were attacked by the KKK. They are on the side of the Antifa fascists.
Coulter, Milo, Ben Shapiro, and others can attempt to highlight this violation of First Amendment principles, but the local civil authorities in Berkeley and Portland will continue to cast the blame on the visiting speakers and their local sponsers rather than the thugs. Just like Alabama in the 1960s.
pretty sure the 'antifascists' are projecting
Why can't Trump/Sessions flood these areas (cities and universities) with FBI and DOJ attorneys?
Because all the DOJ attys are democrats.
Well, I hope when some nut job on the right calls in an equally stupid threat against a left-leaning speaker/event, they get shut down too. I wonder what would happen if some jerk tries to shut down a pride parade with a threat like this.
Portland Rose Festival
Honestly, the right is now going to start engaging in the same sorts of threats and violence. Because *it works.* I hate to say that, but I've officially lost. There will be no moderate voices left in the Republican party because the left was unwilling to rein in the people on the left who wanted to use violence against the right.
So, now the right is going to look at people like me and say, "Why, Matt, exactly should we NOT violently protest and break things? That's allowed now, and it gets results. If we listen to you, our people get beaten and silenced."
The left made the new rules; I hope they understand what we all have to live with now.
""On Tuesday, the business association buckled, announcing it would cancel the parade altogether."
It wasn't the police, or the mayor, it was a corporation. Just like the YAF in SF."
Because they had no faith in the will and competence of the police and mayor to protect the parade. This isn't hard.
Personally, I'm delighted to see Liberal fascism so out and proud. For the mass of Americans it has to be seen to be understood, and the Left is working overtime to make sure that the disinterested and the apolitical finally catch on.
I wonder what would happen if some jerk tries to shut down a pride parade with a threat like this.
He'd be arrested and (if he survived the arrest) convicted of a felony.
This is the Left honing its tactics. They have learned how to publicly attack individuals and force them from public life, with accusations of thought crimes, such as donating money to "homophobic" initiatives or "racism". And they are learning to use the threat of public violence to intimidate and control organizations.
This is only possible because their threats are credible. And that is because the democratically-elected "authorities" are in sympathy with their purported goals. Of course, those goals are wholly spurious. The goal is power. But they seem to have forgotten Mao's trenchant observation on the provenance of power. It didn't involve pens and swords.
Laugh at Portland -- laugh hard and mock them. It's the only thing we can do from outside.
I remember hearing a story on the Seattle NPR: some toys from China had paint on them, which could be dangerous.
Did they interview a lawyer? a doctor? someone with toy/paint/China knowledge? Anybody with any specific/relevant industry knowledge and/or experience?
Nah, it was an activist, and while she had researched, she didn't know very much
Fuck you and your parade. It's Revolution time! (poor oppressed unemployed drug-addled bi-racial runaway activist LGBQTIXL youth)
Now, now xir or ma'am, the proper way to displace oppressive Patriarchy is through protest and political activism. Please don't get violent (suburban, bespectacled, taxpayer-funded librarian feminist, environmentalist lady)
I agree they should not allow threats of violence to stop public events. However, Portland police have shown they are not up to the job. On November 10, 2016 the Portland anarchists rioted for three days.That was not the first time, so it was understandable that this threat was taken seriously.Unless Portland PD has re-trained and come up with better tactics in the five months since the last riot - this was the correct decision. Portland needs to prioritize training their police so they can actually protect their citizens, doubt that will happen in such a deep blue city until the anarchists start targeting fellow Democrats.
Shutting down free speech, hiding behind a mask - behold the modern progressive left.
Glad to not live in a city anymore--just driving through there you always have that back of your mind feeling "is today the day the mobs decide to have an impromptu march and block everything?" Until the cities regain control of their own public spaces and prevent mob rule, it's going to keep driving normal people out.
That is super lame! Portland is also where the thugs marched through town breaking the windows of cars immediately after the election,
So one group of crazies ruins an event for everyone....
Portland is a laughingstock
I should add that the job of the outside media is to connect names and faces to what is happening. These aren't events that happen or don't happen. Do what Meadehouse did at the Madison protests. These are decisions worthy of derision.
Rick said...
"You don't just give up and say now we can't assemble in groups anymore."
There are probably quite a few Republicans in Portland who would no have been concerned about being "pushed and dragged" by a gaggle of Communists.
"Oregon State Police released revised numbers Oct. 9 that show about one in 16 adults in Oregon is now licensed to carry a concealed weapon." (The Oregonian)
But no "business association" wants anything to do with that. And the Lefties understand that. They couldn't intimidate Coulter, or Milo, or the Republicans, but they didn't need to. They attacked the weak link, and it "buckled".
Bill, Republic of Texas said...
Why can't Trump/Sessions flood these areas (cities and universities) with FBI and DOJ attorneys? Like Obama did in Ferguson. Do an investigation and make them sign a consent decree protecting individuals rights to free speech.
Second thing "I wish I wrote" today.
Unfortunately this literally is instructing the public that the lawbreakers always win.
Obviously this cannot do anything but increase the number of people who believe you have to threaten and intimidate to be publicly heard.
They are not only pathetic, but dangerous!
Man's search for meaning continues.
This seems like the inevitable result of one-party politics. It's the same thing that happened in the Deep South after Reconstruction.
People who like to go to peaceful parades are not the people the Democratic Party gives a shit about.
The Rose Festival includes events from April through July. This specific parade is an event therein, not the Grand Floral Parade, the major parade, that happens on 10th June. A combination of a bad headline and bad writing at the Post-- who could have imagined that?
We are the antifascists and you will do what we say or we will break your face.
@Marc Puckett: Damnit! And we all fell for this non-event in Portland.
Carry on!
..“drag and push”...
"... who espouse hatred toward LGBT, immigrants, people of color or others,..."
It's OK to drag and push those who espouse hate toward others, so right wingers are OK dragging and pushing back.
I like the Portlandia tag for this one. Apparently the Portland police are very unqualified for their jobs. I'm also sick of the "Republicans hate immigrants schtick." Why must democrats/progressives conflate immigrants with illegal immigrants? If you truly surveyed Americans and asked them if they believe in an open borders policy, the majority would say no, yet that is the de facto policy if you do not enforce immigration laws.
Blogger Jupiter said...
Brando said...
"Glad to not live in a city anymore--just driving through there you always have that back of your mind feeling "is today the day the mobs decide to have an impromptu march and block everything?"
Actually, the last time I encountered that problem was in Portland. I was driving up to the airport to fly to Mexico, a week after some beat cop decided on the spur of the moment that she wanted to help out in a drug bust. She didn't have a flack jacket, but you can't say "No" to a woman. The Portland PD shut down every major road in East Portland for her funeral, including the freeways. Patrol cars with lights flashing, blocking traffic at every on-ramp. The place is a madhouse, I don't know how anyone can live there.
"Actually, the last time I encountered that problem was in Portland. I was driving up to the airport to fly to Mexico, and the Portland Police department a week after some beat cop decided on the spur of the moment that she wanted to help out in a drug bust. She didn't have a flack jacket, but you can't say "No" to a woman. They shut down every major road in East Portland for her funeral, including the freeways. The place is a madhouse, I don't know how anyone can live there."
Sounds like that place is out of control. When I lived in DC, street closures were pretty regular (someone's always got a protest or march planned), and in Baltimore it was getting that way too with the Freddie Gray marches (not even counting the actual riot). Traffic is already a mess, but that sort of thing (often at rush hour) makes it unbearable.
Let people book plazas and parks, and not block roads under any circumstances. If they do that, scoop them up in mass arrests. The city is for everyone, but we have to play by reasonable rules.
I wonder if this anonymous threat might have been the work of a "Dark Web" hacker like the teenager recently arrested in Israel: https://goo.gl/ttw2b3
If mere threats are enough to shut down parades, speeches, airports, etc., the amount of mischief that can be done by unscrupulous teenagers "with a high IQ but the emotional intelligence of a five year old" (to quote the Jerusalem Post article) is unlimited. Virtual terror would be a good name for it.
Have the parade in Bend or better yet Klamath Falls. Lets see those antifa weenies try that crap in The State of Jefferson.
Look into the dark future of fascism and see many Portlands. The antifas have their own Kristallnacht happening now. Roll over and show your bellies little people and seal your own future.
Most of Eugene's anarchists (except those here temporarily while being 'educated' at the University of Oregon) long ago relocated to Portland because the Eugene PD and city government don't allow them to run amok downtown. Plenty of issues there but no rioting.
I think it is going to be a Long Hot Summer.
Too many fuses are lit.
The interesting thing is the Anarchists have been led to believe that the Police are there to protect them -- namely, because local governments are instructing them to act that way.
When the size of the melee increases in size and intensity and the Police feel that THEY are at threat of injury, whose heads do people expect the police batons to hit?
Portland: this summer's Ferguson...
I am Laslo.
Ann Althouse said...
It's not just that Republicans got suppressed. The Republicans were a small part of a big parade. They had the 67th spot, so there were at least 66 other groups that got squelched. And all the people who wanted to watch the parade got something taken away. The thugs were allowed to win everything without even showing up.
4/27/17, 8:35 AM
Isn't that like, I don't know, terrorism and extortion?
Instead of demanding money, they are demanding compliance.
Like terrorism, they don't care how many innocents are affected as long as they get their way.
This is how freedom dies, a drip at a time, until it becomes a torrent...
"When the protesters were coming, the police themselves would shut down the roads to make it easier on everyone. "
Shutting down the square isn't a big deal. What is they were shutting down the beltline? Or John Nolan?
And to think that citizens there were worried the show Portlandia was making them look foolish.
"There are techniques for this. You don't just give up and say now we can't assemble in groups anymore"
You do if your city and state government actually agree with the violent democrats.
Will said...
That is super lame! Portland is also where the thugs marched through town breaking the windows of cars immediately after the election"
And how many of those cars belonged to people who voted for Hillary?
They befoul their own nests.
The whole point of saying they are suppressing "Republicans" is to make it toxic. If you know that your donations to Republicans may be illegally leaked and then your business burned, your children threatened and your own person put in jeopardy, well -- not a lot of people will continue to donate.
If they claim Coulter's a fair target because her skirt is too short or she should know better than to hang out with those sorts of people -- or whatever victim blaming buffoonery they're engaged in -- then people will just steer clear so that they, too, don't get accused of having skirts too short, and well, y'know what happens then.
This is vile and needs to be stopped.
When national democrats are spreading delusion and lies - is it any wonder the brown-shirted troops are so angry?
... Jolted by Hillary Clinton’s unexpected loss to Donald Trump, Democrats and progressives have retreated to an alternate reality. In this safe space that they’ve created for themselves, Clinton didn’t lose so much as the Russians won.
Red Mania hasn’t been confined to the fringe, but is being promoted by Democratic representatives, including Maxine Waters and Ted Lieu.
Waters took it so far as to suggest on MSNBC that GOP Rep. Jason Chaffetz, chair of the House Oversight Committee, is leaving Congress because of his “connections” to “what is going on in the Ukraine and perhaps in Russia itself.”
Their reward for pushing this craziness? Becoming national heroes to the Democratic faithful."
Insane brigade spreading delusion among the ranks
Brando said...
"Let people book plazas and parks, and not block roads under any circumstances. If they do that, scoop them up in mass arrests. The city is for everyone, but we have to play by reasonable rules."
The City of Portland has made it very clear that there will be no "mass arrests". It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the elected officials of Portland regard the mob as a useful tool of public policy. They have special "homeless camps" strategically located around town so that you can always raise a mob if you need one.
I just saw this myself, but this is released.... and it's being suppressed. How many here know about this?
During the "March of Scientists" or whatever it was last weekend (I think?), Dr. John Christy, at the University of Alabama, a well known "denier" of climate change, had his office shot up. He wasn't in his office at the time, thankfully. However, it is clearly an attempt to intimidate him, by leftists.
Just like this story shows, fascism is fully a leftist philosophy.
--Vance
Wow. Do you have a link for that Vance?
The shutting it all down without even showing up trick is like the Filibuster in the Senate that does not have to speak, but just announce itself.
So now that the Making America Great Again guys have the power, the Dems hired by Soros and Obama have violent Brown Shirts clout to shut everything as well as the the government down by announcing an intent to riot.
The 9th Circuit Injunction on Demand is their back up when that doesn't work.
The Swamp is spreading everywhere.
The City of Portland is "giving up" the same way the university faculties give in to protesters shutting down Charles Murray et al., or the way that Southern sheriffs used to give in to lynch mobs. The City of Portland, like the other groups, like the professors and the sheriffs, obviously supports the protesters' goals and their tactics, and the "giving up" is a total sham.
I wonder how this is playing with the parade groups who are non-political. Hours were probably spent making floats, and getting ready, all to be ruined by crybabies and a lame police force. I think the average person is getting weary of everything becoming politicized.
This is precisely how you get more Trump voters.
Original Mike: I got it off of WattsUpWithThat. Here's a link to one of the several stories about it: https://wattsupwiththat.com/2017/04/26/update-on-possible-ecoterror-attack-at-uah-scientists-christyspencer/
--Vance
"Oregon State Police released revised numbers Oct. 9 that show about one in 16 adults in Oregon is now licensed to carry a concealed weapon." (The Oregonian)
My guess would be that there are more of them in McMinnville and other small cities than in Portland, itself.
My stepson's brother-in-law has a gun safe that would look good in a big gun store.
So, some anonymous e-mail that cannot be attributed to anyone, came flying through the transom window, and shut down a civic event??
I'd really like to see the email. Otherwise, this just seems a little too convenient.
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But no "business association" wants anything to do with that. And the Lefties understand that. They couldn't intimidate Coulter, or Milo, or the Republicans, but they didn't need to. They attacked the weak link, and it "buckled".
I think this puts the focus in the wrong place. The cancellation isn't because the organizers fear violence. It's because they don't want the political left to be discredited by the acts of their violent fascist supporters.
The most Democrat dominated town in one of the most Democrat dominated states. Portland the pushover.
Cowards.
"The City of Portland has made it very clear that there will be no "mass arrests". It is difficult to avoid the conclusion that the elected officials of Portland regard the mob as a useful tool of public policy. They have special "homeless camps" strategically located around town so that you can always raise a mob if you need one."
Shows whose side they're on. If you want to play by the rules, you don't belong there--it's only for the thugs.
Only the right kind of "thugs", though. I'm sure if the KKK tried pulling this stunt the cops would change their "no mass arrests" policy pretty quick.
The left can't figure out how we got Trump (it was the Russians or whatever the excuse of the day is). This kind of conduct by leftist thugs and cooperating leftist government is exactly why we got Trump and why we will get more Trump if they don't stop. I am betting that the left does not stop and that Trump will eat their collective lunch.
This isn't the major Rose Parade that happens in June, but it's a short step from shutting down the small parade to the bigger one.
The Government is not protecting its citizens.
Sounds like Militias are needed.
I am Laslo.
1968 is here again. Do the Dems not remember how that worked out?
Republicans aren't up to defending free speech and free assembly. No balls, no principles, no fucking anything except money and cronyism.
Take a look around, the movement is forming to combat this. They took on Antifa in Berkeley a couple weeks back. Coming soon to a city near you. And once the left starts murdering people...then the fun can really begin! It is almost time to water the tree of liberty, and make the grass grow.
Thanks, Vance.
A couple of weeks ago I read this Congressional testimony by Christy. I guess the fascists will brook no dissent.
Now you know why George Soros was funding the thugs. A few riots and all the government agencies bend over backward to prevent damage--the exact situation they established in England. The police sit on their hands there, too, when the Left comes out to play. Or when they just threaten to.
Re Vance etc
Shots fired over Earth Day weekend at campus building home to prominent climate skeptics
The "5.7mm Belgian" rounds is an odd detail I haven't had the time to look into yet.
Unfortunately, the threateners had no one to negotiate with since Portland officials agree with them and were probably looking for some excuse to kick the Evil GOP out. And the idea that "anonymous" terrorists can;t be identified in this day and age is ludicrous. No one wants to identify them.
This is why we can't have nice things.
Tarrou said...
Take a look around, the movement is forming to combat this. They took on Antifa in Berkeley a couple weeks back.
It'll work out better if they get generic bikers instead of neo-nazis. This is one drawback of the Dems controlling the unions.
“We will not give one inch to groups who espouse hatred toward LGBT, immigrants, people of color or others,” it said....
So now that's all it takes to end freedom of expression in Portland. What a flimsy, pathetic place.
Remember a couple of years ago on the wake of the gay marriage decision by the SC? And Ann Althouse was all you-lost-deal-with-it?
Well, this is the result you get. What a flimsy, pathetic law professor. The Franz von Papen of Left thuggishness.
Isn't Microsoft up there? The originators of drag and push.
I can't wait to see what Kyle MacLachlan will do.
It is not hyperbole to equate these neofascists with Hitlers blackshirts and brownshirts. This is how it started.
At the University of Washington during a protest against Milo Yiannopoulos, Joshua Dukes, a computer-security engineer, was shot and suffered life-threatening injuries. He was shot by two pro-Trump supporters (Elizabeth and Marc Hokoana) who prosecutors allege deliberately provoked violence by pepper spraying the crowd prior to the shooting. Both Hokoanas have been charged with assault.
Public officials now have to take account of the existence of armed right wing provocateurs at these events. It is an unenviable position for them, balancing public safety against other concerns.
Laslo's Law: Godwin's Law prevents Nazis from being called Nazis.
I am Laslo.
"We can't expect to get anywhere unless we resort to terrorism: speculators must be shot on the spot." -- V. Lenin
"I honor Lenin as a man who completely sacrificed himself and devoted all his energy to the realization of social justice." -- A. Einstein.
Oh, you've got to be kidding me, ARM. You brought up the Hokoanas in the last threat, and got repeatedly schooled with the real facts. Namely, that Joshua Dukes was committing assault, that the Hokonoas were being threatened by the mob, had been robbed by the mob, the mob was calling them "Nazi's" and also shouting "Death to Nazis!"
Thus, self defense. But of course you are on the side of leftists hurting people. Hey, I bet you giggled reading about the gunshots fired at Dr. Christy's office. I note you have not said a word condemning the threat to haul out Republicans from this parade and beat them to death. Thus, one must assume you fully support this.
You are a fascist, ARM. Accept that you have the same ideas as Ernst Rohm. You fully, fully accept and desire political violence against Republicans and Conservatives, don't you.
--Vance
Prosecutors Say Red Square Shooter Was Looking For a Fight
http://www.king5.com/news/local/a-look-at-uw-shooting-self-defense-case/426671285
"Here is part of the verbatim of the recording:
“The victim (Dukes) can provide no information about the suspect or where the shooting occurred…however he was armed with brass knuckles and a large knife.”
“Was that the suspect that was, or the victim?”
“No the victim.”
“Copy, the victim was armed with brass knuckles and a large knife.”
Yep. Don't bring brass knuckles and a large knife to a gunfight. Or better still, don't go around with brass knuckles and a large knife.
Unknown said...
you've got to be kidding me
Police and prosecutors, who have a much stronger grasp on the facts than you do, disagree. You are just an angry man shouting on the internet.
Note, too, the problem ARM has: The presence of "armed right wingers!" How dare they!
We all know that the real problem is that the victims of the left might fight back! Right now its sure is sweet, isn't it ARM? The cops are there to make sure that your leftist buddies can fight and attack and assault and maim and hurt people without fear of retaliation. But now the right has figured out that the cops won't protect them and therefore they must protect themselves.
And that is totally wrong! Why, your buddies who think that stomping on anyone in a MAGA hat is a great idea--they might be hurt! They might--gasp! -- not try to stomp on little old ladies in a Trump shirt, for fear she might defend herself!
And above all, ARM, you support people in Trump gear or Republicans being beaten, maimed, and hurt, don't you.
--Vance
Police and prosecutors, who have a much stronger grasp on the facts than you do, disagree.
Haven't we established that they are all a bunch of Lefty cocksuckers in Portland? I'd ask for a change of venue.
Couple came armed and ready to goad Seattle protesters at Yiannopoulos speech, court papers say
Ah yes, the "Police in Berkeley or Portland haven't said the leftist protestor did anything wrong, so it's all the right wing's fault!"
That's like saying "Well, Himmler said this Jew was assaulting the nice SS officer by repeatedly hitting the SS man's fist with his face! That dirty Jew, because Himmler wouldn't possibly be against the Jews!"
Right ARM? Police and prosecutors in Berkeley and Portland are so fair, and you can always count on them to look for the truth instead of the political wants of the Democrat party.
--Vance
"A local TV station reported that emergency medical responders had found brass knuckles in Dukes’ pocket, based on a readout of the EMS radio dispatch. (Dukes finds this allegation both amusing and infuriating. Within a few minutes of meeting a reporter, he eagerly drew the “brass knuckles” out of his pocket, revealing what was actually a plastic finger strengthener used by guitarists.)"
Right ARM? Police and prosecutors in Berkeley and Portland are so fair, and you can always count on them to look for the truth instead of the political wants of the Democrat party.
And the Seattle media are so unbiased!
They KNOW who sent those letters, more or less. The police know. The local media know. The city government know.
Leftist thugs in leftist communities are not exactly shy about letting everyone know who they are.
Portland became a laughingstock long ago. There is even a television show specifically for those who want to laugh about Portland. Now it is something worse.
It is now one of those dysfunctional communities where everyone knows what/who is causing the problems, and no one has the nads to stop them.
And as a resident of a famously "progressive" community, I am watching closely to keep it from happening here.
Did a couple of people up-thread REALLY try to say, "This isn't the real Rose Festival parade, so who cares?" My goodness. That seems like a... rather craven position.
'I refuse to be like them': why the man shot while protesting Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't want revenge
ARM: So... do we believe the reports by police that they found brass knuckles and a knife AND that the couple was looking for a fight, or do we only believe authorities when they say things helpful to our case?
Either way, the investigation is ongoing. We'll know the truth soon enough. Stop deliberately derailing threads.
I suppose ARM was cheering the riot in DC where Soros' paid goons literally invaded the Heritage Foundation building--breaking, entreating, violence, etc.
And then when they found out a Washington Examiner reporter had embedded with them and recorded the training and bussing they got, they called the cops--to remove him. And the cops who provided traffic support for the rioters and let them invade and vandalize the Heritage Foundation building (while the staffers were inside, terrified at the terrorist event taking place), the cops came and removed the reporter, letting the rioters continue.
So pardon me if I don't trust anything from the cops or the prosecutors in these leftist towns. They are nothing more than the political officers of Soviet Union fame.
--Vance
Dukes couldn't have possible gotten rid of the brass knuckles and knife by the time he talked to reporters, could he? Right.
No, Jamie, we weren't minimizing the situation. Just pointing out the misleading WaPo headline.
Couple charged in shooting of protester at Milo Yiannopoulos event in Seattle
"Marc Hokoana messaged a friend on Facebook the day before Yiannopoulos was scheduled to talk and said he “can’t wait for tomorrow”, according to police officials. In the Facebook message, obtained by a search warrant, he wrote: “I’m going to the Milo event and if the snowflakes get out off hand I’m just going to wade through their ranks and start cracking skulls.”"
"In an interview with the Guardian, Dukes recalled thinking when he was shot: “I’m not dead right now so I haven’t been shot in the heart.”The bullet went in through his abdomen and exited his back. Two months later, he still bears an oozing wound and a long surgical scar. He has lost his gall bladder and half his colon. His liver was severely damaged; his diaphragm pierced."
So, remember how ARM and others said the woman who posted about looking for scalps couldn't have that held against her or used as proof that she was looking for a fight? Funny how things change.
Also, I find it hard to believe. For us to believe Dukes, we have to assume that every police and medical responder was incompetent and unable to identify the weapons he was carrying. We also then have to believe that despite the social media posts that have no bearing on the actual incident of violence, where we have to look to determine if it was self-defense, the police have not managed to see video that proves they were the aggressors (which would have been leaked by now.)
This isn't what everyone thinks it is.
This isn't people angry and protesting.
This is the Democrat party 2020 presidential campaign.
Wouldn't you like things to go back to normal? Like they were under Obama?
Still, I note ARM hasn't opined on whether Portland should suppress everyone's freedom of speech upon demand by antifa. Do you or do you not think that everyone's right to freedom of speech and association is subject to whatever "anonymous" email is sent?
Do you agree that threatening to beat up Republicans is the correct strategy here? You have only complained of "right wing violence." Does that mean you fully support left wing violence? You appear to be fully on board here.
Further, do you agree that people who don't support LGBT rights should be beaten senseless as this letter says?
I note that all of that "LGBT rights will never hurt anyone" is, once again and as predicted by us at the time, a complete utter lie. Now your very life is in danger from left wing loons like ARM supports for disagreeing with them.
I suppose Catholic, Baptist, Mormon, etc churches and congregations in Portland now need armed protection from your buddies, ARM, else they are in danger of being beaten. Of course, you would support that, it appears. And only complain if some of the church goers brought weapons to keep their congregations safe from people like you and your friends. Right?
--Vance
"The "5.7mm Belgian" rounds is an odd detail I haven't had the time to look into yet."
There are 2 guns that shoot 5.7 rounds, an SMG and a side arm, developed for police. I have the pistol. It is awesome.
It is expensive though, $1000 dollar pistol, and the ammo is expensive. Almost never used in crimes.
Prof. A: ".... The thugs were allowed to win everything without even showing up."
Unexpectedly!
Also, if the medical responders lied on their report, Dukes needs to sue them.
"The charges allege Elizabeth Hokoana fired a single round from the handgun into the stomach of 34-year-old Joshua Dukes, a member of the International Workers of the World (IWW), as Dukes confronted Marc Hokoana for using pepper spray in the crowd."
Just an innocent bystander, right ARM ?
We will see more of this as police abrogate their roll in keeping the peace.
Ever see "Death Wish," ARM ?
Remember, in all such situations: The police chief works for the mayor. The police work for the chief. The mayor has control over the careers of all police.
Police are paid well, with great benefits, but the big prize is the pension. In cities they are almost always very generous, and can be had after as little as 20 years.
No cop is going to put that pension at risk. Thus, when the mayor passes the word that the police should stand back, they stand back. They are bought and paid for. They cannot be shamed.
You cannot count on the police to protect you. Under orders, they may well be hostile to you.
"The charges allege Elizabeth Hokoana fired a single round from the handgun into the stomach of 34-year-old Joshua Dukes, a member of the International Workers of the World (IWW), as Dukes confronted Marc Hokoana for using pepper spray in the crowd."
-- Was pepper spray found on the Hokoanas? I know when they surrendered the gun was found and their cell phones.
Blogger AReasonableMan said...
"Prosecutors Say Red Square Shooter Was Looking For a Fight"
ARM and democrat prosecutors get upset when people defend themselves against leftist thugs. Shocked.
You are bringing what comes on yourselves.
>The "5.7mm Belgian" rounds is an odd detail I haven't had the time to look into yet.
No mystery. Someone was packing an FN Five Seven. Fairly new pistol, firing a new cartridge.
Prosecutor said the Duke U. lacrosse team raped Crystal Mangum.
Prosecutor lied. Prosecutor hid exculpatory evidence.
Lacrosse team walked free, thanks to a lot of help.
Prosecutor went to jail.
New Antifa Guy says...
I'll admit it: I joined the Antifa group to pick up Chicks. Chicks dig Bad Boy Types, and I figured this was a way to be a Bad Boy without actually, like, ending up in Prison. I don't want to go to Prison: I just know I'm the type of guy who'd get traded around for a pack of cigarettes...
I first tried hooking up with the Black Lives Matter crowd, but they didn't have a lot of respect for white guys with dreadlocks like me. And some of those Black Dudes were SCARY. Like they had even been in jail and stuff. But the Antifa: there aren't a lot of minorities involved, which is good, because I want to hook up with White Chicks...
I remember at my first Protest when things got Real: I pepper-sprayed an old lady, and this Antifa Chick gave me a blow-job that same night! Right on! She was kind of meth-y, but I figure as I get Bigger Cred I'll get nicer Chicks, or at least ones where I don't have to worry about Herpes so much...
This one College Girl started coming to our meetings, and she was Hot! Real clean, too: you don't see Clean a lot at our meetings. And a tiny little nose ring on the side of her nose -- that's soooo Sexy! Of course, the other Chicks hated her, but all the guys wanted to impress her with their stories. I need better stories: pepper-spraying an Old Lady is pretty low on the Bad Ass scale, I know...
The Truth is, I don't really like fighting that much: I was beaten up a lot as a kid, because I was weird and didn't take showers very often. But at the Protests the Police keep it from getting too out of hand, so I feel pretty safe. I think I'm even ready to throw a punch now, if I can find an Old Guy who doesn't look too dangerous. Old Guys can be tricky, though: I know my Father could still kick my ass, he was in the Army...
I am Laslo.
Apropos that Dukes fellow, I have noticed that the Guardian seems keen to publish the leftist's version of these public contretemps-- just the other day, they ran... oh, the mother of a 'white nationalist' owns real property in Idaho? which the Good People want her to sell because... (she is his mother? and they are good?). The mother's version is rather different from the Good People's version.
I would urge all sane people to leave these cities NOW! It's only going to get worse. Much worse.
Ok: a man rushing you, a member of the International Workers of the World Union (basically the commie party), with brass knuckles, a knife, from a mob howling for your life: ARM says that shooting such an armed assailant is objectively speaking bad and totally means you should be punished, because violent leftists running at you with knives from mobs is something people should just let themselves be killed by.
Is that is, ARM? We have no rights to defend ourselves against armed Communists trying to kill us anymore? That's your argument, correct?
You are seriously arguing that people who defend themselves from armed, attacking communists should be punished because they defended themselves.
Wow.
--Vance
PS -- you have yet to condemn any leftist violence, despite repeated invitations to do so. Ergo, you must accept and defend it.
Now, it is possible it wasn't justified self-defense. We'll find out soon enough.
Vance the Unknown: Oh, you've got to be kidding me, ARM. You brought up the Hokoanas in the last threat, and got repeatedly schooled with the real facts.
At this point ARM is just trying to kid himself.
True, Matthew, it's possible that this wasn't justified self defense.
On the other hand, it almost certainly was. Why? Because if there was any way to twist this to fit "evil Right winger massacred poor innocent protestor only looking out for America" like ARM's doing, we'd have had Ferguson, part two long ago. There's no way the left and the media wouldn't have been shouting this from the rooftops.
The fact that it isn't is pretty clear evidence that the videos are correct and this is clearly self defense. Only people like ARM seem to think that you shouldn't be allowed to defend yourself from armed communists in the middle of an attack.
--Vance
@ARM:Police and prosecutors, who have a much stronger grasp on the facts than you do, disagree.
The authorities have spoken. Go about your business, citizen. Yes, the cops and prosecutors are always to be deferred to 100% because they know the real facts.
Those Multnomah Republicans who wanted to be in the parade are probably outside agitators, amirite?
AReasonableMan said...
'I refuse to be like them': why the man shot while protesting Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't want revenge"
Ah, yes, now the radical asshole who showed up to harass people is playing martyr.
He knows that gullible hicks like ARM will elevate him to sainthood; he doesn't need revenge.
I wish the left had cared about violent agitators at rallies when Trump supporters were being beaten, sucker punched, chased down and trapped in their cars -- before it escalated to melees and brawls on Tax Day that ended with the left bloody and beaten. But, hey, now that the left is losing because the right fought back, they're totes on board the "stop right-wing violence" meme.
exiledonmainstreet said...
AReasonableMan said...
'I refuse to be like them': why the man shot while protesting Milo Yiannopoulos doesn't want revenge"
Maybe you can write a song for him. It sure helped Horst Wessel's rep.
@ Vance
We all know that the real problem is that the victims of the left might fight back!
Soon they WILL fight back. Many of those are veterans of wars and know HOW to wage wars. They aren't pretending. They have actual experience.
I suggest they use this as their fighting song. Play it loud! Nothing quite like bagpipes and drums to get your blood boiling :-)
"Former Vermont governor, presidential primary contender and Democratic National Committee chair Howard Dean has been arguing that Ann Coulter’s speech at the University of California at Berkeley could be canceled because it’s 'hate speech.'"
Since when is shooting a Wobbly illegal?--Agatha Christie
Sessions should prosecute both the antifa groups and Portland for conspiracy to suppress civil rights, but there is no reason for the suppressed local Republican Party to wait. The federal civil rights laws also enable civil suit. Get on it Portland GOP!h
New Antifa Guy says...
I was talking to the Clean College Chick With The Hot Nose Ring after one of our meetings, and she Really Believes This Stuff. At first I thought she was just slumming it, but she is Totally Down With Destroying The Patriarchy...
She told me her Father would never understand what she is fighting for, and that is why she is Fighting. I had to think on that one for a moment, but I guess it makes sense: she's really smart that way...
Of course, I haven't had sex with her. She's fucking one of the Group Leaders, the one with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos: I get it -- that's what Hot Chicks do. But I kinda thought the Antifa would've been a little different that way, but that might just me being disappointed that I didnt get to fuck her, too...
Now it turns out the Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos gave her Herpes, but she isn't even mad about that: she thinks that just shows her commitment to the oppressed. In a way it makes me not want to fuck her as much, but I guess I still would fuck her if I had the chance: if you had to get Herpes she'd be the kind of girl worth getting it from...
I am Laslo.
I expect a lot of dueling narratives in future encounters between Progs and ordinary people. Lots of fragmentary records from smartphones, but also an increasingly sophisticated audio-visual product, complete with editing and (no less important) an audit trail, that tells us "what really happened." Some of what happened will be "real," as in unrehearsed and/or uncoordinated. We will be tempted by slicker production values to agree on a few storylines.
I suspect the Progs will be better at this than ordinary people. But everybody will get better as they run their lines and learn how to show and hide the props of gun, knife, brass knuckles, pepper spray, club.
Next up: color commentary and replay. "watch this frame, Bob, as she pulls out the pistol and then discards it. We haven't seen a smoother play since Super Bowl LXIi..."
Howard Dean said "Argggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggggg!"
A university spokesman described the incident [shooting at climate scientists on "Earth Day"] as a “totally random shooting,”
And when crazy people shoot up Planned Parenthoods and Abortion Clinics it is just serendipity, garsh darn it.
Unknown said...
During the "March of Scientists"
"March for Science". It was about diversity, inclusion and we want more money.
"It is expensive though, $1000 dollar pistol, and the ammo is expensive. Almost never used in crimes"
Memorably, though, at Ft. Hood.
ARM amply demonstrates the dishonesty and mendacity of the cornered fascist.
I note that ARM has fled the thread. Just like the last thread, he has fled. He bravely raised his head and fled; he tucked his tail and chickened out or however Sir ARM the Brave rolls. Does he have his own minstrel to sing his praises? Maybe a shrubbery?
Of course, got to watch out for the killer rabbits of the world. Ask Jimmy Carter, or Sir Robin the Brave.
--Vance
PS that March for Cambreath song is pretty good.
You may be a Fascist....
If you need to label yourself an antifascist.
The Left believes the "Heckler's Veto" is a good thing.
"Heckler's veto" inclusive of iron bars and pepper spray, apparently.
Of course, I haven't had sex with her. She's fucking one of the Group Leaders, the one with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos: I get it -- that's what Hot Chicks do
There's no irony in the fact that Gloria Steinem was a Playboy bunny and dated Jim Brown.
I live in Portland.
And I hope the Black Bloc tries it.
Because even Portland's City Council and Police Department will eventually realize that the rest of the city doesn't have time for that crap and arrest them.
The "anarchists" have been coddled and nearly encouraged here for far too long, and it will continue as long as the City government can pretend it's just kids playing around and most people don't care.
(Also, I hate the Rose Festival and its parade disruptions, so I'm actually fine with parade cancellations in themselves.
Just not because some little sh!ts decided to play brownshirt.)
So the Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos gave the Clean College Chick With The Hot Nose Ring a case of Herpes. Now she has got his name tattooed on her neck, and has shaved the sides of her head. I gotta admit, I wish the Group's Other Chicks looked more like she had looked, rather than her starting to look more like Them...
The Other Chicks now REALLY don't like her, and have been making noises about splitting off into another Group more focused on Feminist Issues. I hate it when the Group fights like this; it reminds me of how my parents fought after my Dad found out my Mother was sleeping with our Neighbor who drove a Mercedes...
After our meeting last night we went downtown and smashed some car windows to Strengthen our Unity, and to remind people that We Are Still Here. The Police came out, but they just dispersed us: that was good, because I don't want to spend a Night in Jail -- I was fucked in the ass by a Teacher once, and I still have nightmares about THAT...
After we broke the car windows we all got stoned and everyone was in Good Spirits. I even gave a Short Speech about how we need to Support Each Other and Stand Strong Together. The Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos nodded in approval, so that was nice, and one of the chicks gave me a blow-job: I feel I am Moving Up in the Group -- Me, the Kid who was beaten up all the time because I smelled funny from not taking showers. Today Was a Good Day...
I am Laslo.
Fuck these people up their collective (pun intended) asses.
I've lived in Portland for most of my life. I moved to Europe in 2005, and the next day it suddently became hip. I came back and it immediately becomes pathetic. I'm really hoping there's no connection there.
a fact that so outraged two self-described antifascist groups
And talk about projection!
Because it seems a bit relevant to the topic of antifa, riots, drums and battle music
I present Techno Viking
I bet that if asked, none of these people threatening to protest violently will have heard of Mao's Cultural Revolution.
Back in January, the Portland police were tough in cracking down on anarchists who blocked streets -- and citizens cheered them! Here's my post & video on that:
https://thebadger14.wordpress.com/2017/01/29/jeer/
New Antifa Guy says...
The Clean College Chick With The Hot Nose Ring and Herpes came by and talked to me again last night: she made me promise not to tell ANYONE what she said, and I told her she could trust me...
It seems the Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos REALLY wants to have anal sex with her, and she is not ready for that. I started to tell her about me being fucked in the ass in School but she really wasn't listening to me: she just wanted to talk herself, so I listened and nodded -- it was HER ass, after all...
It really put me in a tough situation: if she doesn't want to have anal sex I don't think she should feel bad about saying that. Especially if you think about Ass Herpes. On the other hand, if the Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos found out that I talked her into having anal sex with him I bet my Status in the Group would go up immensely...
I gotta admit: a part of me was hoping she would want me to have anal sex with her, just to try it out. Things never work out that way for me, though. I kinda hope she doesn't give in, but I think she will: the Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos usually gets his way, and you can't have just ONE Chick in the Group hold out on anal -- that would really cause Inner Turmoil with the Other Chicks with the Ass Herpes...
I am Laslo.
ARM
Right on. There are over three hundred million guns in the US. Guess who has most of them. Bring, as they say, it on.
A little background from the wayback machine on 82 Avenue in 2005:
"But a group of business leaders is trying to change how Portlanders think about 82nd Avenue. Their plan is to rename it the Avenue of Roses, to plant thousands of roses here over the next two years and to combine that effort with a 5-year, $800,000 Weed and Seed grant to chase out the drug dealers and prostitutes."
Obviously, in that situation, you would want to be vigilant about who you let back in.
There are over three hundred million guns in the US. Guess who has most of them.
Two guesses:
1. The drug cartels?
2. Gangs in Chicago?
That's not the Rose Parade. That's still scheduled for June 10th and is in downtown Portland and the near environs. What they cancelled was the 11th annual 82nd Avenue of Roses Parade on SE 82nd avenue. Both parades are considered part of the overarching annual Rose Festival. I'd never heard of the 82nd Avenue parade, but they started it when I was living overseas and I've only been back for a few years.
New Antifa Guy says...
The Leader with the Anti-Fascist neck tattoos is Unhappy that the Parade got cancelled. He says no true Anarchist would want to stop the Opportunity For Protest, and he is PISSED -- he had already ordered two-dozen bicycle locks for the Event...
Me, I like it when we TALK about Fighting more than when we actually -- you know -- Fight. It's hard, always trying to find the weakest person in the crowd to fight, without looking like you're a total Pussy...
One of our Guys even told me I had to leave attacking Girls and Old People to OUR Chicks: talk about feeling small -- I felt the same as when I was a Kid and a Bully pushed me into a big pile of dog shit and everyone laughed...
So, needless to say, I'm glad the Parade got cancelled, even though I don't dare say that out loud. But I think some of the other guys feel the same way: it seems like the people we protest against are getting more aggressive: I certainly liked it better when they didn't hit back...
Meanwhile, the Clean College Chick With The Hot Nose Ring and Herpes says we need to stop being Pussies and Start Getting It On. She hasn't actually hit anyone yet, so people are Irritated with her Mouthing Off, but all the Guys still want to fuck her so they stay quiet. I still want to fuck her, too, but maybe her getting knocked around a bit would help her better understand the Reality of Our Situation...
I am Laslo.
Laslo: you are On Fire. Keep it up (so to speak).
Seriously, most comics would be happy with material that generated way less laughter. I estimate your stuff at 80%. Carry on.
Prof. Althouse, you're already thinking like a citizen, and not like a lawyer. Yes, it's bad that the civic event was cancelled due to thuggish threats. However, the organizers surely knew that they'd be sued if anyone was injured in the parade and, having been warned of the intended violence, would be particularly unappealing defendants. Also, I suspect that the sponsors are some association of local businesses, which are preternaturally spineless.
Notably, the real Rose Parade in June is sponsored by an Indian Casino. Insurance of a sort.
Nice illustration of what long-time Oregonians call "Californication."
mockturtle said...
Notably, the real Rose Parade in June is sponsored by an Indian Casino. Insurance of a sort.
If I'm the Republican Party I'm signing up today to march in that parade (I checked Jim S' [thanks] link above, they're not in it already).
Honestly these fascists are numbnuts. Get a half dozen or so people on the float with cameras. Ask for volunteers around the float and tell everyone to just pull their masks off. Once identified they'll run, plus then their allies will be forced to fire and prosecute them or admit they were in on it.
Michael said...
There are over three hundred million guns in the US. Guess who has most of them. Bring, as they say, it on.
So this seems to be the prevailing attitude towards this horrific shooting at the University of Washington. To say I am disappointed is only to acknowledge the limitations of the English language.
Yes ARM, but maybe you should wonder why no one gives a hoot when violent Commies get what's coming to them.
Your people are violent thugs, no one feels one bit sorry when one of your people gets some violence back. Your pathetic attempt to garner some sort of sympathy for a guy who was trying to assault someone with brass knuckles and a large knife and it backfired on him.... why would you think anyone has sympathy for a wounded communist agitator?
For most of the last 100 years, Americans have looked up and valued people who hurt communist shock troops. We call them "Heroes." And we paid the cost to have the best military in the world so we could have lots of people who knew how to take out lots of communist shock troops.
Meanwhile, again you avoid discussing whether your people should be allowed to harm peaceful parade participants. You must really support violence from the left.
So, as you say, Bring it. Let's punch you and your leftist communists right in the mouth, and do it again until your side loses its desire for violence, because you are getting it in spades. Putting the hurt on communists and commie sympathizers until they unconditionally plead for mercy is pretty much the American way, and it's about time to bring it back in style.
--Vance
So this seems to be the prevailing attitude towards this horrific shooting at the University of Washington. To say I am disappointed is only to acknowledge the limitations of the English language.
You're not disappointed, ARM. You are actually salivating at this imagined display of barbarity from the right.
Robert Cook, who doesn't pretend to be a "moderate," said he is appalled by leftists shutting down free speech. The phony moderate on this thread is indifferent to that, preferring to turn the totalitarian dipshit who turned up at a rally with brass knuckles and a knife and got more than he bargained for into an innocent victim. Nobody here is buying that idiocy.
Cookie 1, with additional points for honesty. ARM 0.
mockturtle said...
imagined display of barbarity
”The bullet went in through his abdomen and exited his back. Two months later, he still bears an oozing wound and a long surgical scar. He has lost his gall bladder and half his colon. His liver was severely damaged; his diaphragm pierced."
AReasonableMan said...
Michael said...
There are over three hundred million guns in the US. Guess who has most of them. Bring, as they say, it on.
So this seems to be the prevailing attitude towards this horrific shooting at the University of Washington. To say I am disappointed is only to acknowledge the limitations of the English language.
4/27/17, 1:57 PM
Could you please clarify? Are you disappointed that the folks being attacked by the antifa thugs did not receive proper police protection and were forced to protect themselves or that they actually protected themselves instead of allowing themselves to be beat up?
As it has been repeatedly pointed out here and elsewhere, incentives matter. Libiral America is incentivizing violence by not only tolerating it in these fascists but also refusing to protect fundamental rights. Once enough folks on the right of this political divide learn that lesson, school will really start and folks like you will only have yourselves to blame.
This is what happens when you expel children for pointing fingers and saying "bang"--we no longer understand or can defend against violent people because we have come to believe that no violence is allowed, even in self-defense. Like Berzerkly wouldn't arrest the demonstators who were burning stuff and beating people.
Portland is a place that a few years ago passed legislation that any trees on your property belong to everyone (since everyone can see them) and you need permission to cut them down. I think later this was amazingly enough overturned in court.
So heading toward communism.
ARM, man. Get over it. You are siding with the fascist left here. Do you also plead for sympathy to the thugs who break into houses and then get put down by the little girl with the gun they were going to rape and murder?
Apparently you do. Why do you protect leftist thugs?
In movies, when the Nazi coming over the trench gets shot in the chest, do we cheer? Well, Americans do. Apparently, you want the movie to go like this: "Nazi emerges, screaming as he runs towards the protagonist. Protagonists cowers, drops his gun, and is repeatedly stabbed by Nazi, who then makes him watch the Nazi stripping his wife while she is screaming. The last thing our protagonist sees as his life ebbs away is the Nazi shouting "Heil Hitler" as he starts raping the mans wife." That's your idea of a great movie, and how life should be, right ARM? Because you are clearly on the side of the Nazis and brownshirts here. Just admit it.
--Vance
"Please consider..."
They did use the magic word.
ARM would be one with Gandhi who told the British to surrender to the Nazis as they would maintain their "moral superiority" even as they were brutalized and massacred.
This is America where people moved to avoid that attitude. I don;t sympathize t-with the two people arrested if they sought out the violence for some personal thrill but this is what will happen as leftist violence is allowed to metastasize with no police action.
This was behind the "Broken Windows" theory of policing that gave New York City the low crime rate that DeBlasio thinks is the normal state of affairs.
The left does not understand entropy.
The bullet went in through his abdomen and exited his back. Two months later, he still bears an oozing wound and a long surgical scar. He has lost his gall bladder and half his colon. His liver was severely damaged; his diaphragm pierced."
I've been following this event closely, and I've never seen a description of the wounds. Why did you fail to provide a link?
Laslo is on fire. (Owen called it first but it bears repeating.)
Meanwhile, a different take on Portlandia - 13 years old, it was a simpler time:
Trip to Portland (PDX).
Does the extent of the wound matter if it is legitimate self-defense?
madAsHell said...
I've been following this event closely, and I've never seen a description of the wounds. Why did you fail to provide a link?
Description was in link I provided earlier in thread, which I also quoted then.
To say I am disappointed is only to acknowledge the limitations of the English language.
Perhaps you should try German then. It has some wonderfully descriptive words.
Schaudenfreude is one example.
:-D
Michael K said...
ARM would be one with Gandhi who told the British to surrender to the Nazis as they would maintain their "moral superiority" even as they were brutalized and massacred."
Except ARM doesn't think the conservatives and Trump supporters have moral superiority whether they fight back or not. He wants them to just stay home and shut up and defer to liberal authorities. Simply showing up at a Trump rally or to hear Milo or Coulter speak is asking for it. Antifas are justified in beating uppity conservatives if they dare show themselves at such gatherings.
ARM: "So this seems to be the prevailing attitude towards this horrific shooting at the University of Washington."
The only "horrific" thing here is that the woman being attacked by the lefty thug (but I repeat myself) dude didn't put one through his empty cranium.
A few practice rounds at the range should help close that performance deficiency.
We see the left's real intent amply demonstrated in venezuela and, oddly enough, I believe the conservatives here have decided not to allow these "heroes of the revolution" to continue attacking without resistance.
Next up for ARM and the lads: claims that the this latest Bergdahl-like revolutionary had his "hands up" and was shouting "don't shoot". At least that is surely how it will be portrayed in the made-for-TV movie.
Haven't read all the comments so this has probably been suggested but if the cops are ordered to stand down, why wouldn't an equal force of non-assholes be able to meet the antifags (oh oh! LGBT hatred!) and have at it? There must be a ton of people sick of these overindulged babies and ready to scrap.
Is there anyone who doubts that, had Coulter's Berkeley talk been, say, lifted entirely from speeches made by Hillary Clinton and Barack Obama pre-2011, the talk would have been labeled as provocative, intolerable hate-speech, and the inevitable violence would have been justified on those grounds?
And that was only six years ago, and I hold many such "provocative" opinions, such as whether the PPACA is a good idea, and whether we should enforce immigration laws as they are now written, and whether the winner of the electoral vote should be considered president...and so much more that is beyond the pale now, but a short time ago was considered a mainstream opinion.
So, recalling to mind Martin Niemöller's famous quote ("First they came for..."), it is now the time when they are coming for us.
We probably should have fought a little harder for the wedding cake bakers and the pizza stores, but that is in the past.
We probably should have fought a little harder for the wedding cake bakers and the pizza stores, but that is in the past.
Yes but that asshole administrative "judge" that fined the bakers lost his election last fall. I'm sure he was shocked but Portland, from what I have seen, is not all of Oregon. It and the university towns are where the crazies are but the rest of the state seems to be pretty conservative.
Drago said...."A few practice rounds at the range should help close that performance deficiency."...
I agree, though I would phrase it as better "gun control".
exiledonmainstreet: Simply showing up at a Trump rally or to hear Milo or Coulter speak is asking for it. Antifas are justified in beating uppity conservatives if they dare show themselves at such gatherings.
On a positive note, I have been hugely amused watching ARM's accelerating slide right smack into using the classic wife-beater's excuse. If the righties would just stop making the antifas so angry the antifas wouldn't have to keep attacking them.
Michael K:
Good point. Lots of short-sighted actions in the last eight years that will have long-term consequences.
I suspect those who expect Obama and Hillary Clinton to lead and inspire the "resistance" will be disappointed. The former is busy giving $400K speeches to private groups. The latter is too tired, and her daughter, offered as a surrogate, is not that charismatic.
No, "You have seen how much power we have downtown BECAUSE THE POLICE CHOOSE NOT TO STOP US...."
On the other hand, Warren and Sanders have shown some smidgeon of leadership in the matter.
Not that I am getting a Sanders/Warren 2020 sticker, but it is nice to see someone step up a bit.
Laslo's New Antifa Guy is luckier than this dude.
http://angrywhitedude.com/wp-content/uploads2/2017/04/C9f0wWYXgAAqQ81-1024x695.jpg
To go up against the Nazi White Supremacists and end up getting a wedgie from one of them - well, no BJ for that dude. And he can just forget about Clean College Chick With The Hot Nose Ring and Herpes. It's not gonna happen.
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