During the election I supported Hillary Clinton, whom I’ve known since I was a kid. But today I feel empathy for Trump supporters in New York and other heavily blue zip codes around the country.I guess she was scared enough to not even want the people who scared her to know she was scared.
You don’t have to be racist to support Donald Trump. You don’t have to love what he said on the Access Hollywood tape. Perhaps you just wanted change. And I respect that.
Today I realize how divided our country is. That people in lower Manhattan want to stare, curse at, or leave restaurants that serve people who support the man who is now our President.
From now on, I’ll respect people who... hold views that might not be popular where they live. I was in their shoes for just one hour, and I was scared...."
We've heard of the hidden Trump supporters. Also hidden are people who just think there should be some decent respect for people who support Trump.
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Maybe that's why the Trump inauguration crowd wasn't larger. Fear.
Strange, Americans are tolerant to a fault. Who are these "Americans"?
Among "stare, curse at, or leave restaurants," I am thinking that 2 out of the 3 make you a Trumpkin snowflake, if you are really taking offense.
"Staring"? Maybe it's that thing about never making eye contact in New York City.
"Leaving restaurants"? My thought is, "Nice! It's quiet now. More room for me in any event.
"Curse at"? Well, okay. Let's hear more about that. And also remember that it is Manhattan. I got yer Manhattan right here; now getouttaheah!
Read today's story in the WSJ, A female lawyer from Bryan Cave's St. Louis office had an invite to one of the inaugural balls. What with traffic and all, her Uber driver suggested she get out of the car and walk to the ball. She was in her ball gown--but didn't have a coat. As she was walking to the ball, someone saw her,yelled some curse words at her, and threw a raw egg at her---it broke in her hair. So there she is in a fancy ball gown--she's been egged, and yolk is streaming down her face.
A good Samaritan couple (although she notes they were probably liberals based on where they said they worked) rescued her--took her into a house and cleaned her up--and let her safely out the back door. Who knew there was an Underground Railroad for Trump supporters in some Washington D.C. neighborhoods.
As the lady wrote, she had been ambivalent about Trump (as am I) but the incident "egged her on" and now she's a more enthusiastic Trump supporter.
Some buttercups and snowflakes need to suck it up and settle down for four long years of darkness. I managed during the Obama era--and I didn't throw an egg at anybody.
I note that lifelong Republican Chuck is, once again, attacking Trump supporters and voters. He wants them to remain in the closet, scared, and in danger, apparently. From his people, the vicious villains of the far left.
--Vance
She's certainly brave.
While it may seem obvious to those on the right that those who (at the top of their lungs) accuse others of being intolerant are in fact extremely intolerant themselves, it's apparently not so obvious to those on the left.
Since the election it's been interesting to see some on the left is slowly reevaluating certain long held assumptions.
What do you call a culture where people are afraid to say what they believe, afraid to support free speech for others, afraid to call a plumber because he might hold badthink in his heart? What do you call the societal pressures that created this stifled, stunted, antisocial, un-American behavior?
Can, and more to the point, will progressives aspire to developing more self-awareness than Siri has?
We've heard of the hidden Trump supporters. Also hidden are people who just think there should be some decent respect for people who support Trump
So who are the true fascists?
Before Trump Derangement, it was Bush Derangement (two flavors: HW, and W). Before that it was Reagan Derangement.
It's not about the person. It's derangement over the fact that they have any opposition at all.
This perspective seems to explain a lot: It's a cult. https://accordingtohoyt.com/2017/01/23/surviving-the-cult/
Unknown: "I note that lifelong Republican Chuck is, once again, attacking Trump supporters and voters. He wants them to remain in the closet, scared, and in danger, apparently. From his people, the vicious villains of the far left.
--Vance"
"lifelong republican" Chuck over the last few days has completely outed himself as an astro-turf "seminar caller" guy.
From now on its "Seminar Caller" Chuck.
With apologies to @Iowahawk:
People dressed in black, demanding groupthink, breaking windows, beating people, starting fires are protesting "fascism" with absolutely no self-awareness.
"So who are the true fascists?"
-- The people who advocate violence to silence their political opponents.
"I am thinking that 2 out of the 3 make you a Trumpkin snowflake, if you are really taking offense."
Chuck: the writer is a self-confessed NY Clintonite, so your attempt to ascribe her sensitivities to "Trumpkin snowflakes" merely exposes your own lifelong stupidity.
Still available in Google cashe:
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CYXVG3DwRvsJ:https://medium.com/%40dinakaplan/heres-what-happens-when-you-wear-a-trump-cap-in-downtown-manhattan-1e4020207610+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=us
Not stupid, transparent.
or leave restaurants that serve people who support the man who is now our President.
Sounds like liberals in lower Manhattan are no different the whites in the Jim Crow South when it comes to restaurant segregation. And I'm not just talking about them wanting to be separated from Trump supporters.
I'm sure they would switch restaurants in a heartbeat if too many Harlem blacks were showing up to eat in their neighborhood.
Apparently they are also boycotting restaurants in DC that serve members and supporters of the GOP. Because love trumps hate.
Here's the post (from the Google cache):
I never realized how much I fit in until I didn’t.
Like many others in Manhattan, I launched a start-up, I do yoga, and I meditate. When I meet people at coffee shops and parties, I feel relaxed and open. I know we’ll share a lot in common.
Not today. This morning my wrist is shaking so much I can barely brush my teeth. My heart is beating so quickly I can barely think.
In a few minutes I’ll walk around the West Village in the iconic “Make America Great Again” cap that symbolizes Donald Trump’s campaign.
I won the hat Friday as a “ironic” gift at a Cards Against Humanity tournament a friend hosted. Everyone at the party was a Democrat. My friend thought it would be funny for the prizes to be Trump mugs and hats. In a moment of silliness, I chose the red cap and put it on. My friend Dorie Clark commented that it “actually looks good on you,” and we laughed. I looked at her and said, “I wonder if I’d get shot if I wore this around my neighborhood tomorrow morning.” She responded, “you might.”
It got me thinking. What would happen? Especially on a day when hundreds of thousands of Democrats were gathering at protests around the country.
What started as a joke became real curiosity. I know Trump has offended many people. I don’t agree with his policies or appointments, and I didn’t vote for him. But he won the election, and I don’t think all of his supporters are racists or bad people. Most liberals consider themselves open-minded. I wanted to see if my neighbors actually were.
I told Dorie I’d spend an hour wearing the red cap as a social experiment and write an article about what happened.
Now that the time has come, I feel terrified.
I walk downstairs holding the hat in my hand, unable to stomach running into my landlord with the cap on.
In the lobby, I put it on. I can feel my heartbeat, already fast, start racing. I haven’t felt this scared since bungee jumping 43 meters off a bridge in New Zealand.
I step outside.
Heart pounding, I see a guy walking down the street. I tell him right away it’s an experiment and ask if he thinks I’ll be safe. “You won’t get spit on or shot,” he said, “but people will look.”
He’s right.
People are staring at me as I walk by. It’s a look of shock and fascination.
This cute guy looks at me, stares at the hat, then does a double take to make sure he had properly processed what his eyes had seen. Hillary Clinton won nearly 9x the votes of Donald Trump in Manhattan, and people downtown often assume everyone they meet is a Democrat.
I’m relieved to walk into my neighborhood coffee shop, because I warned them earlier about the experiment. The baristas greet me with a laugh, and I explain what I’m doing to the woman next to me at the counter. “I don’t mind,” she says, “I’m from Texas, and I voted for Trump!”
But this mom looks at me, looks at the hat and hurriedly rushes her child out of the cafe before ordering.
Coffee in hand, it’s time to leave my safe haven of the shop. But my nerves are frayed. I’m shaking so much I can barely hold the coffee straight.
Walking down 6th Avenue I’m petrified of running into someone I know. Maybe someone from my work world? I run a meditation community called The Path and am unsure how the red hat would be perceived.
I can’t bring myself to make eye contact with anyone or even to lift up my head. And on behalf of Trump supporters, I feel like I should smile at everyone I pass. I might be the first seemingly visible Trump supporter many of these Manhattanites have ever seen! I make an effort to look friendly and non-threatening.
A kind-looking man with a dog looks at me then looks down, a sad look on his face.
My fingers are shaking so much I’m having trouble typing notes on people’s reactions in the Evernote app on my phone.
Earlier this morning I did an interview with Organic Spa Magazine about how to breathe properly. I told the reporter the most important thing is to be aware of your breath becoming uneven — and quicker than normal. Now I’m fully aware that I am incapable of breathing normally. I start worrying about hyperventilating.
That’s when this girl walks by with her dry cleaning and says, “F- you” to me under her breath.
I’m living in fear of other people. I want everyone to go away. I want to crouch under Harry Potter’s invisibility cloak or take the hat off, forever.
But I have somewhere to go. I try to take slow, deep breaths. I make it across an intersection with the hat on. And I walk into Peacefood Cafe, a popular vegan restaurant in the West Village.
A manager comes over and says, “Everyone is entitled to their own thing,” which makes me feel better. I smile. “People are pretty nice in here,” she says.
But two girls, clearly a couple, had just walked in. One sees me and begins whispering to the other. After a quick chat they look over at me with a distasteful look, then scurry out of the restaurant before ordering.
Another girl who had finished eating walks by me, looks at the cap and then just looks forlorn. All these sad glances are making me feel sad.
It’s getting closer to noon and the streets of lower Manhattan are filling up. People are definitely looking at me. Nearly 45 minutes after having first put on the cap, I’m gaining the confidence to look up. And I can see that people look either interested, or sad, or both.
I’m in Union Square now, packed with people heading to the Women’s March. One guy looks at me and laughs, either with pity or respect for the chutzpah of a seemingly lone Republican in a liberal sea.
The subway feels the scariest of all. I take off the hat and find my way to a packed platform of protestors. I explain the social experiment to the girls next to me, and the tallest one says, “I’d be terrified. I’d watch out.” She then turns her back to me, as do her friends, and never looks back. I want to ask, “Do you consider yourself open-minded and liberal?”
The train comes. I show a heavy-set dad in an Aaron Burr t-shirt the hat (now in my bag), and he says, “I could see someone grabbing it and lighting it on fire.” He asks me not to put it on. I ask why. He says, “I would label it a safety issue.”
I’m heading to Pure East, the yoga studio where The Path is hosting a meditation retreat. For some reason I feel safer walking on the Upper East Side. When I arrive at the retreat, I decide to take the cap off. No one else is wearing a hat. But during the first break, I tell the fellow meditators what I’ve been doing, and they find it fascinating. We have a great conversation about what it feels like to be an outsider.
In college I was a Republican at a liberal school. Each year I held up a “Republican” sign for the yearbook as the only member of the club. It felt like the most liberal thing I could do.
During the election I supported Hillary Clinton, whom I’ve known since I was a kid. But today I feel empathy for Trump supporters in New York and other heavily blue zip codes around the country.
You don’t have to be racist to support Donald Trump. You don’t have to love what he said on the Access Hollywood tape. Perhaps you just wanted change. And I respect that. Today I realize how divided our country is. That people in lower Manhattan want to stare, curse at, or leave restaurants that serve people who support the man who is now our President.
From now on, I’ll respect people who choose to look different from others or hold views that might not be popular where they live. I was in their shoes for just one hour, and I was scared. But I will also say this—I’m moving into a yoga and meditation ashram this week, and I’ll be glad not to wear the red hat.
https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:CYXVG3DwRvsJ:https://medium.com/%40dinakaplan/heres-what-happens-when-you-wear-a-trump-cap-in-downtown-manhattan-1e4020207610+&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&gl=il
Hate Loves Abortion
I'll cop to the latter category, though not really "hidden" in that respect. It is a little ridiculous with people working up so much bitterness and hate towards one another when for the most part we want to earn a living and live under a lawful society. But to hear the rhetoric you'd think the barbarians were at the gates.
Today I realize how divided our country is. That people in lower Manhattan want to stare, curse at, or leave restaurants that serve people who support the man who is now our President.
I don't know a single conservative that treats liberals this way.
Just goes to show that the "old" saying is right: Conservatives think liberals are misguided, liberals think conservatives are evil.
Though many liberals are working awful hard to show us that they are both misguided AND evil...
Althouse, striving to be correct even when it comes to apocryphal stories. Although punched him in the nuts 3 times would tell better.
What I fear the most is that Trump will actually do some good - achieve progress in some important area - and it won't matter. It just won't. People will gleefully look past the facts - complete separation from reality. Which will confirm for me what I suspect is true about most progressive advocate types: its NOT about a better world but WINNING and being on top. Same old primitive, base animal behavior - yet they consider themselves without flaw and above the normal human fray of faults and shortcomings.
I am going to reacquaint myself with the history of the Religious Wars of Europe, a period when Catholics and Protestants were slaughtering each other. Maybe some serious immersion. Then, when I come up for air and view the current situation, it will make our current period seem sunny and happy by comparison.
Just goes to show that the "old" saying is right: Conservatives think liberals are misguided, liberals think conservatives are evil.
...and both are wrong......
What about Chuck? I am afraid he is not what he claims he is. He seems to be something else.
Up Chuck? Chuckle-headed Chuck? Woodchuck Chuck? Chuck the gas Chuck ? Chuck it, I'm goin' to Texas Chuck? Roast Chuck? Canceled Chuck? Blank Chuck? Bad Chuck? Kited Chuck? Returned Chuck? NSF Chuck? The Artist Formerly Known as Chuck? Bride of Chucky Chuck? Seed of Chucky Chuck? Curse of Chucky Chuck?
Cult of Chucky Chuck.
robother said...
"I am thinking that 2 out of the 3 make you a Trumpkin snowflake, if you are really taking offense."
Chuck: the writer is a self-confessed NY Clintonite, so your attempt to ascribe her sensitivities to "Trumpkin snowflakes" merely exposes your own lifelong stupidity.
Fine, God damn it! If she is in fact a progressive snowflake, why give her report any credence at all? Again I ask, what sort of personal torment is "staring"? Or "leaving restaurants"?
Damn, this blog has turned into Trumptown! If this were a story about a woman wearing a Hillary cap in Staten Island, and she was complaining that people "stared" at her, and left restaurants that she entered, you'd all be laughing your asses off about what a snowflake she was.
The most striking, but not surprising, feature of the "experiment" is that everyone around her knew it was a "safety issue." Lefties know their love-trumps-hate BS is BS.
Roy Jacobsen said...
Before Trump Derangement, it was Bush Derangement (two flavors: HW, and W). Before that it was Reagan Derangement.
And you don't think that there was any Clinton Derangement? Or Obama Derangement? Mind you, I'm not arguing about the existence any of the other Derangement syndromes. I'm just asking about the flip side of the same coin.
Really, If someone wrote this but was wearing a Hillary t-shirt in Mobile, AL, you would be ridiculing her to no end (and she does deserve ridicule).
"We've heard of the hidden Trump supporters. Also hidden are people who just think there should be some decent respect for people who support Trump." And then there are people who don't give a damn about Trump as such, or about decent respect for Trumpists, but who are getting seriously, seriously pissed at the leftist shenanigans, in the streets, in the MSM, in Congress, by law professors, you name it, against anyone and anything to the right of the left, of the last few weeks.
I don't know a single conservative that treats liberals this way.
Apparently you never read the posts on this blog.
Freder Frederson: "Really, If someone wrote this but was wearing a Hillary t-shirt in Mobile, AL, you would be ridiculing her to no end (and she does deserve ridicule)."
Mobile county split 42% for Hillary, 56% for Trump.
Why would there be an issue walking around Mobile with a Hillary t-shirt?
Oh, right. Freder is projecting what he knows dems would do/have done/are doing onto Trump voters.
Unexpectedly.
Freder: "Apparently you never read the posts on this blog."
Your physical courage is an inspiration to us all.
Continue the good fight Saint Freder!
She should have worn a gopro.
It speaks volumes that she felt the need to forewarn the coffee shop.
I wonder if she's even aware of the Trump rally attendees, some women, who were attacked. And did she discuss the "deplorables" remark with her old friend?
The biggest problem I have with the "Punch a Nazi in the face" meme is that a significant percentage of anti-Trump people will categorize anyone not sufficiently outraged by Trump as a Nazi.
Well Mark, after years of overreach with labeling so many "Racist!", they have decided to go big league.
Freder Frederson said...
Really, If someone wrote this but was wearing a Hillary t-shirt in Mobile, AL, you would be ridiculing her to no end (and she does deserve ridicule).
Clinton got ~40 of the vote in Mobile county. No one would think twice about a Hillary t-shirt. But nice of you to show your ignorance of the other.
I don't doubt her story, it is quite restrained version of the same sort of thing I have seen myself.
As for being stared at and etc. - that's a female thing, they are far more sensitive to peoples reactions. Be married for a few decades and you learn things guys. This being out of step with the zeitgeist is a very big thing for them. In comparison for men its either like water off a ducks back or we can be entirely clueless.
Anyway, I have seen genuinely extreme behavior inside the belly of the liberal beast. I was at one time, early 1990's, an SF Republican volunteer (Yes, I was and am a foreigner, I was the "foreign legion" in there; maybe I was providing illegal foreign campaign contributions in kind?), notably during the 1994 election (Pete Wilson vs Kathleen Brown for Gov). One time the SF Republicans decided to do a public demo during a Kathleen Brown speaking engagement - your usual gang of the opposition at the edge of the crowd in these things. So we had a few dozen of us, men and women, with Wilson signs show up at Civic Center BART to walk to City Hall.
It was quickly clear we had to adopt a phalanx formation, women on the inside, as we were spat on, pushed and shoved, tripped, body blocked, yelled at face-to-face, and various people threatened to throw AIDS-infected blood on us. We got to our spot and maintained formation there, losing several signs to snatching and etc. sustained abuse.
At one time also I was a member of the NRA. It may surprise some to know that there still are regularly scheduled Gun Shows at the Cow Palace in SF. The last one was the previous weekend actually. So at these things its typical for the attendees to put on their NRA caps (I have one). Its also typical for them to put them away when leaving the showgrounds. My wife wont let me wear mine in public.
It sounded like a real experience for a lefty who fears everything.
Blogger Freder Frederson said...
I don't know a single conservative that treats liberals this way.
Apparently you never read the posts on this blog.
Just hilarious. Freder thinks blog comments could hurt him/her/it.
Definition of snowflake.
Chuck said...
Fine, God damn it! If she is in fact a progressive snowflake, why give her report any credence at all? Again I ask, what sort of personal torment is "staring"? Or "leaving restaurants"?
Damn, this blog has turned into Trumptown! If this were a story about a woman wearing a Hillary cap in Staten Island, and she was complaining that people "stared" at her, and left restaurants that she entered, you'd all be laughing your asses off about what a snowflake she was.
I agree. The diff is, this woman most likely is aware of the hate against Trump supporters, and is aware of the attacks upon Trump supporters. Whether consciously or unconsciously, she was already afraid, and for good reason.
You are in Detroit, right, Chuck? Social experiment, put a Trump bumper sticker on your wife's car. See what happens.
"Seminar Caller" Chuck gotta seminar call.
Thanks Chuck!
Politico has a great article "Inside a Blue County Trump Turned Red" by Danny Frazier that gives insights into the divide and how Hillary supporters now have to deal with rural resentment against so-called outsiders who have settled into Pepin County, Wis.
I don't think anyone has to suck it up for four years, but approach each person and issue one at a time and resist that which they disagree upon. For example, Bernie and I like the repeal of the TPP but neither of us like the total repeal of ACA.
Mark: "The biggest problem I have with the "Punch a Nazi in the face" meme is that a significant percentage of anti-Trump people will categorize anyone not sufficiently outraged by Trump as a Nazi."
And their actions will be minimized, explained away and excused by noted Barron Trump attacker and seminar caller "Seminar Caller" Chuck.
ALP,
"...its NOT about a better world but WINNING and being on top."
Yes and no. Partly yes, this is about pure tribal warfare, in the sense of tribal symbols and loyalty displays. The US is deeply split into ideological tribes, in some cases splitting families irrevocably. This is a very strange thing for this to happen over such abstract and impersonal matters. I have seen families split by personal issues, divorce, and rather often by arguments over inheritance. But ideology, especially very poorly understood ideology? That's the power of the media and the propaganda line in education apparently.
The other part is plain economic interest. There are personal benefits accruing to members of certain groups, or potential benefits to those who expect to join such groups, depending on public policies, or threats to these policies can be threats to livelihood. An intrusive government creates a lot of ricebowls.
Well there is a reason that I will not put bumper stickers on my car. Democrats are violent. Happily they are typically unarmed except for urban areas.
buwaya said...
I don't doubt her story, it is quite restrained version of the same sort of thing I have seen myself.
As for being stared at and etc. - that's a female thing, they are far more sensitive to peoples reactions. Be married for a few decades and you learn things guys. This being out of step with the zeitgeist is a very big thing for them. In comparison for men its either like water off a ducks back or we can be entirely clueless.
Anyway, I have seen genuinely extreme behavior inside the belly of the liberal beast. I was at one time, early 1990's, an SF Republican volunteer (Yes, I was and am a foreigner, I was the "foreign legion" in there; maybe I was providing illegal foreign campaign contributions in kind?), notably during the 1994 election (Pete Wilson vs Kathleen Brown for Gov). One time the SF Republicans decided to do a public demo during a Kathleen Brown speaking engagement - your usual gang of the opposition at the edge of the crowd in these things. So we had a few dozen of us, men and women, with Wilson signs show up at Civic Center BART to walk to City Hall.
It was quickly clear we had to adopt a phalanx formation, women on the inside, as we were spat on, pushed and shoved, tripped, body blocked, yelled at face-to-face, and various people threatened to throw AIDS-infected blood on us. We got to our spot and maintained formation there, losing several signs to snatching and etc. sustained abuse.
At one time also I was a member of the NRA. It may surprise some to know that there still are regularly scheduled Gun Shows at the Cow Palace in SF. The last one was the previous weekend actually. So at these things its typical for the attendees to put on their NRA caps (I have one). Its also typical for them to put them away when leaving the showgrounds. My wife wont let me wear mine in public.
Fortunately, SF is more tolerant now, after eight years of "healing".
Michael K said...It sounded like a real experience for a lefty who fears everything.
--
"Earlier this morning I did an interview with Organic Spa Magazine about how to breathe properly."
Uh huh..
She should call her experiment "Deplorable for a Day"
That bit about holding up a "Republican" sign for yearbook pics is..odd.
Freder thinks blog comments could hurt him/her/it.
Where in the account does she say someone did anything that amounts to assault, let alone battery?
Weimar Germany as the National Socialists began their final push to power.
Moby Chuck.
Roesch/Voltaire,
"but approach each person and issue one at a time and resist that which they disagree upon."
But humanity doesn't work that way. We are tribal, communal creatures. You are always something and not something else. It takes an odd and isolated sort (a foreigner standing above, beside or below the battlefield perhaps) to see the clumps and masses charging back and forth at each other, each member convinced he's an individual.
"Earlier this morning I did an interview with Organic Spa Magazine about how to breathe properly."
Perhaps there will be no more such interviews with Organic Spa Magazine.
A few articles like this and the reaction could damage her livelihood.
That above all is the danger here.
Yes, Freder. Maybe she was aware of attacks elsewhere and was seeing danger where there was none. However, if the comments from others she spoke to are real, the chilling effect is pretty well demonstrated.
Freder the Astonishing Clueless Wonder: "Where in the account does she say someone did anything that amounts to assault, let alone battery?"
LOL
Yes, Freder just wrote that.
We are in a time where the left deems staring/leering as Sexual Assault, but hey, I guess Freder just tuned that out.
So, to summarize, the left has created a whole new batch of BS "rules" to be used against their opponents but have no intention of living by those same rules.
Wow, color me shocked.
Bill Clinton loves Freder and his attitude!
We are in a time where the left deems staring/leering as Sexual Assault, but hey, I guess Freder just tuned that out.
You see, Drago, that's just not a problem for me. I think it is baloney when lefty snowflakes make those claims. And I think it is the same problem when a Trump snowflake, or even a pretend Trump snowflake, does the same thing.
And for making that clear, I am a "moby"?
Amadeus 48: What about Chuck? I am afraid he is not what he claims he is. He seems to be something else.
I still stand by my perception that Chuck is exactly what he claims to be - the truest and bluest of "True Conservatives(tm)" aka cuckservatives. Some of the original cucks have calmed down, accepted that things are what they are, and are behaving like sane adults behave when they lose. But there is a hard core that has decided to go out in a blaze of crazy. Our Chuck has been spiraling down at an accelerated pace for the last few days, and I think he's finally lost it completely. Boy ain't right.
Most everybody has probably already seen this video of a nasty Pharisee on an airplane getting her comeuppance, but it still makes a nice palate cleanser.
Yes Chuck, you are a Moby.
Earlier this morning I did an interview with Organic Spa Magazine about how to breathe properly.
In.
Out.
Repeat until you are done.
Same as sex.
Freder,
Never been to Mobile, have you?
Down here in LA, people wear their Hillary and Obama gear all the time and nobody gives them a second look. Unlike in New York, we actually have tolerance for those who believe differently than we do, probably because we're much more likely to encounter people who believe differently than we do. Amazing, isn't it?
Anglelyne:
At the top of the list of major freakouts, is the anti-Trump Left. See, eg., Madonna.
Next on the list of current freakouts, is the extremist pro-Trump wing of the Fox News Channel. See, eg., Sean Hannity. The reason I put the Hannity crowd there, is because of his nightly rants wherein he is all worried about what Paul Ryan will do, to foil Donald Trump.
Last on the list of any freakout symptoms at all, are the Republicans like me who opposed Trump in every way possible during primary season, but who ended up voting Trump as the least-worst option. We are pretty comfortable now. We have nothing personal invested in Trump, but he's governing (so far) like a Republican. If Trump succeeds (with a Republican agenda), fine. If Trump fails, we have the most in terms of plausible deniability. He wasn't ever our guy.
Chuck said...
And you don't think that there was any Clinton Derangement? Or Obama Derangement? Mind you, I'm not arguing about the existence any of the other Derangement syndromes. I'm just asking about the flip side of the same coin.
1/24/17, 11:32 AM
Oh I am quite sure there were but and that is a big but there were NO riots in the streets, no shops were burned, no cars set afire, etc., etc., etc.
Most suffering from CDS or ODS were at least adult enough to keep it to themselves or their close circle of friends. Those that did go "out and proud" picketed and attended Tea Party events and such. As I recall even those that screamed that all of the Tea Party were racists still admitted that the events were left cleaner than before the events started. There is a HUGE difference between showing your displeasure at how things are going and having a full scale melt down with riots and vandalism AND attacking strangers because you disagree with them (or just think you do).
Do you NOT see that? Yes, there are A-holes on both sides but for many on the left it seems to be a live-style choice...
"A massive group of violent demonstrators spat on, assaulted and screamed obscenities at a Gold Star widow and sister Friday outside an inaugural ball honoring the military, one of the women told “Fox & Friends” on Tuesday."
Two "Trumpkin snowflakes" according to Chuck. They're everywhere!
"We've heard of the hidden Trump supporters."
..from.
The left is pushing us to a new Civil War. I'm waiting for a Democrat to cane someone of the opposing party in the House of Representatives before this Congress is over.
Todd, I don't disagree with you. We have a long litany of violence and anarchy associated with the Left. From Occupy! to BLM, to the random videos posted by miscreants in Chicago, to the punch thrown at Richard Spencer, and too many before, since, and in between.
And a truly remarkable level of non-violence on the part of the Tea Party crowd. Astonishing, given the circumstances
But now, Todd, let's return to the subject of this blog post and those circumstances. The list of offenses for wearing the Trump-themed hat in Manhattan included "staring" and "leaving restaurants." And I found those microbits of evidence hilariously unconvincing.
If the woman had sat down next to me, I'd have said "Hi, how are you doing? Can I buy you a cup of coffee? Because although I voted for Trump, I am really interested in how you explain that part of Trump where he is a birther, a truther, a vaxxer and a draft dodger."
The left is pushing us to a new Civil War
Cui Bono ?
Any update on that U of Wash Bernie supporter shot in the abdomen because he was mistaken for a righty/fascist?
I know..shhhhhhhh.
Moby Chuck gotta Moby.
roesch/voltaire: Politico has a great article "Inside a Blue County Trump Turned Red" by Danny Frazier that gives insights into the divide and how Hillary supporters now have to deal with rural resentment against so-called outsiders who have settled into Pepin County, Wis. [emphasis added]
Lol, I guess that's one way of looking at it.
This article (as the author recognizes) could be written about any number of small communities across the country. What I always find interesting about such pieces is that, amidst their endless metro-splaining (the rube-Americans regretting the loss of a rooted way of life to the relentless forces of globalization, their resentment of the newcomers and their alien ways), the newcomers and their tribunes never seem forthcoming, or the least bit self-curious, about why they choose to up sticks and horn in on these remnants of declining Americana, aside from references to lower cost of living and "seems nice here".
Surely there are plenty of nice, affordable places in this country that would be less culturally alienating to these "bookish, artsy...compassionate" progressives than these old, rooted, communities in 98% white rural America (stat provided in article), places that most certainly would not be lousy with the sort of people who vote for Trump?
It's one of the ages great sociological mysteries, it is.
Chuck said...
Because although I voted for Trump, I am really interested in how you explain that part of Trump where he is a birther, a truther, a vaxxer and a draft dodger."
1/24/17, 12:54 PM
Supper duper easy! He is/was not Hillary. That really is all of the justification that I needed. There is NOTHING in his past that I have learned about that even comes close to offsetting the things I know for a fact about the Clintons because I lived through it.
What I heard her say about what she was planning to do to this country is nothing compared to what I have heard others say Trump would do.
I compared a known "very bad" against a "could be bad" and went with the logical choice.
So far, I "did good". That could change BUT it would have to be awful bad to offset what I new Hillary was going to do.
And every day since he won the nomination, the left has gone out of their way to show me I made the right choice.
Chuck and Freder and the rest of the liberal/progressives are going to be really sad when we start treating them like they have been treating us. Keep pushing assholes. Please keep pushing.
Chuck said...
If the woman had sat down next to me, I'd have said "Hi, how are you doing? Can I buy you a cup of coffee? Because although I voted for Trump, I am really interested in how you explain that part of Trump where he is a birther, a truther, a vaxxer and a draft dodger."
Maybe because most of that is built out of fabricated context only people who trust the NYT's believe.
But we know you are not conservative and you entire fake persona here is completely disingenuous.
Ok I'll play...
How do you, Achilles, explain that part of Trump where he is a birther, a truther, a vaxxer and a draft dodger?
Sorry Moby Chuck. We are all about increasing jobs, decreasing insane lefty graft filled over regulation used for Dem taxpayer money laundering, etc.
No one is surprised that in your Moby role you don't want to go any near that stuff.
Next up: a scalia-like nominee for the Supreme Court!
That is going to blow Moby Chuck's mind!
Okay, Todd. Thanks very much for your answer. I suppose that if I understand you correctly, you and I are much alike.
There's really no explanation for the weirdest of Trump explanations, but in the end he was the preferable binary choice, over Hillary and an effective Third Term of Obama/Biden/Holder/Lynch/Jarrett/Kerry/Sotomaor/Kagan/Vetoes.
I knew all of that; it is what determined my own vote.
Maybe, based on the responses, it is a question not worth asking.
Never change, Chuck.
Moby Chuck: "I knew all of that; it is what determined my own vote."
Lol
Chuck: At the top of the list of major freakouts...
What has this got to do with the price of tea? I wasn't talking about how crazy everyone is, I was remarking solely on how crazy you are.
Last on the list of any freakout symptoms at all
Freakout Chuck inserts his name here... (Not that anybody requested his list.)
We are pretty comfortable now. We have nothing personal invested in Trump..
"We". Lol. You have a huge, obvious, stridently paraded, personal, highly emotional investment in Trump. Obvious, that is, to everyone but yourself. You've been running around here naked in your rage at him, jumping up and down and flapping your arms and shrieking hysterically, and yet remain completely clueless as to why people keep shielding their eyes and yelling at you to cover your shame.
Moby Chuck is not going to like this: http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-01-23/labor-unions-pivot-praise-trumps-tpp-withdrawal-describe-meeting-president-incredibl
snip: "Union leaders speak to WH reporters and described meeting with President Trump as "incredible"
Yikes.
Moby boy is likely to require sedation!
"And you don't think that there was any Clinton Derangement? Or Obama Derangement?"
OK, let's hear about the people who got kicked off of airplanes for ranting at Clinton or Obama supporters. Or the riots led by Tea Party members. List all of the celebrities who threatened to leave the country if Bubba Clinton or Obama was elected. Cite the number of people who were assaulted by the protesters at Clinton or Obama rallies. Or tell us about the rash of crimes against Tea Party members that were shown to be hoaxes.
Chuck said..."And a truly remarkable level of non-violence on the part of the Tea Party crowd. Astonishing, given the circumstances."
I don't get it. Yesterday you were calling us "Teabag[gers]".
roesch/voltaire: Politico has a great article "Inside a Blue County Trump Turned Red" by Danny Frazier that gives insights into the divide and how Hillary supporters now have to deal with rural resentment against so-called outsiders who have settled into Pepin County, Wis. [emphasis added]
This IS a problem. Lefties fouling their own nest now wanting to shit in someone else's.
OM: "I don't get it. Yesterday you were calling us "Teabag[gers]"."
Moby Chuck trying to gain back a little non-Moby street cred.
And failing.
For about a week now.
"Surely there are plenty of nice, affordable places in this country that would be less culturally alienating to these "bookish, artsy...compassionate" progressives than these old, rooted, communities in 98% white rural America (stat provided in article), places that most certainly would not be lousy with the sort of people who vote for Trump?"
I read this article. Bookish? Fine. Artsy? Fine. Compasionate? How self unaware can you be?
Chuck must be a Quaker. They refused to fight Savage Indian Tribal raiders because they were making friends. But finally the frontier needed defense and the imported you know who from Northern Ireland and sent them out to settle as a buffer on the western Pennsylvania frontier.
But like Chuck, Penn's Quakers could just not stomach the new fighters who enjoyed killing Indians to protect them. They were against violence, you see.
Chuck said...
There's really no explanation for the weirdest of Trump explanations, but in the end he was the preferable binary choice, over Hillary and an effective Third Term of Obama/Biden/Holder/Lynch/Jarrett/Kerry/Sotomaor/Kagan/Vetoes.
1/24/17, 1:35 PM
This. I believe it was no secret that last year my position was that [in my opinion] Trump was the worst candidate possible, expect for Hillary and that if that was what it came down to, I would crawl over broken glass to try and stop her from getting to sit in the "big chair". I am grateful that I did not have to go that far (as my wife likes my knees).
Trump is still Trump BUT his showing during the transition and his behavior since is much better than the early campaign season.
I am warming to him more and more each day as he is still playing the media (and the left) like they are trained monkeys to his organ grinding. The left is still in disarray and too occupied with fighting yesterday's battle to be able to focus on tomorrow.
Can he be crass and crude? Sure. But stupid he an't. I find it simply amazing that the left willfully underestimates anyone with an "R" after their name. They get branded as stupid and dummies. Trump has a personal fortune greater than most (all?) Lotto winners and he earned it but he is "stupid". He runs a HUGE business empire but is a dummy. Keep believing it, please!
Chuck said...
Among "stare, curse at, or leave restaurants," I am thinking that 2 out of the 3 make you a Trumpkin snowflake,
Keyboard Toughguy Chuck.
Todd said...
...his[Trump's] organ grinding.
None of those allegations have any basis in fact. Plus, when your are a celebrity, they let you.
Chuck said...
Among "stare, curse at, or leave restaurants," I am thinking that 2 out of the 3 make you a Trumpkin snowflake,
And also remember that it is Manhattan. I got yer Manhattan right here; now getouttaheah!
1/24/17, 10:26 AM
Come to Manhattan, snowflake, do.
This is the mentality you are up against.
The Judd-Maddona confluence of insanity.
And you don't think that there was any Clinton Derangement? Or Obama Derangement? Mind you, I'm not arguing about the existence any of the other Derangement syndromes. I'm just asking about the flip side of the same coin.
If you can give me some examples of liberals feeling afraid for their own safety by wearing a Hillary Clinton hat, and the neighborhoods in which this is happening, then you'll have a comparison. But we both know it doesn't happen, and if it did, it'd be an isolated incident.
Care to try again?
I can't get over the reference to hating Trump for the trash talking on the Access Hollywood tape when the same women all defended Bill Clinton when he was caught getting his weasel greased in the hallowed Oval Office by a young intern. What hypocrisy.
Blogger Chuck said...
Among "stare, curse at, or leave restaurants," I am thinking that 2 out of the 3 make you a Trumpkin snowflake, if you are really taking offense.
I tend to roll my eyes when some of the commenters here say Chuck isn't what he claims he is. Like Anglelyne I tend to think Chuck is what he claims to be.
But then he goes and writes dumb stuff like the above and I think, "Hrmmm, maybe they are right."
I am not surprised! New York is not really a part of the USA. The proof? It elected its present and prior mayor AND it allows the New York Times to exist there.
Key line in her account: "Most liberals consider themselves open-minded." I'm sure that they do. But there's a huge amount of difference between considering oneself open-minded and actually BEING open-minded, especially when it comes to opinions that are diametrically opposed to one's own. Liberals are in favor of every kind of diversity except intellectual diversity.
WHen George Bush was president you'd hear stories about how peoples cars were keyed or egged if they had a George Bush bumper sticker on it. I didnt see much of that when Obama was president. But I did see a lot of people driving around with Obama stickers on their car.
NOw again, when Trump is president the same thing occurs. THe left does not allow for diverging viewpoints and wil react VIOLENTLLY if they feel like someone is wearing the wrong colors as it were.
You even see the same thing with the neo nazi who was sucker punched. And all the media is abuzz asking questions like 'Is it ok to hit nazis?" NO you morons. Its not ok. that's assualt. I don't even know that he WAS a nazi, actually since the only word I have that he is is the lefts and the left calls all repubs NAZIS. (and thus they are essentilaly saying its alright to punch republicans)
IS it allright for us to punch communists on the same grounds that we can punch nazis? Especially now that we are supposed to view Russia as this great evil again. The Commies commited a lot of evil in the world, there's a communist. I'm going to punch him in the face.
The left has a serious problem with violence. They displayed it at Trump rallies, they display it at the protests for his inauguration. They display it at BLM protests. STOP ACTING LIKE FACISTS! Or at the very least stop calling OTHERS facists. Its YOU. It's always been YOU.
"Earlier this morning I did an interview with Organic Spa Magazine about how to breathe properly."
"Conservatives think liberals are misguided..."
Q.E.D.
Drago -
Regarding your Trump-meets-with-union-leaders link...
So we shall see who the real Republicans are. It will indeed be interesting, to see what sorts of policies that Trump will pursue, to please labor union leaders so much. I hope that Trump's policy is "grow the economy." But I expect that the union leaders have something else in mind.
Did you see the other tidbit in the bottom of that article? The part where union leaders will be pleased to have Trump force pharmaceutical makers to negotiate with Medicare?
Wow, we are going to see who the real Republicans are.
It's cute that Moby Chuck takes time out from his Dem talking points to play pretend republican.
Thanks Moby Chuck!
"I run a meditation community called The Path"
Of course you do.
"Freder: "Apparently you never read the posts on this blog."
Keyboard warriors are most likely nicer in person. I'm sure some are not.
I suggest Freder don his Hillary gear (if he has any) in White City, Alabama and write a post about it.
James Pawlak said...
I am not surprised! New York is not really a part of the USA. The proof? It elected its present and prior mayor AND it allows the New York Times to exist there.
1/24/17, 3:15 PM
Oh, Nanny Bloomberg was okay, at least competent, aside from the insane "traffic-calming" measures that doubtless put many construction guys' kids through college. Agreed, de Blasio is the worst, but I guess it was their turn, sigh.
And the Times didn't *always* suck.
My 24-year old daughter cleverly created her own Trump hat by embroidering the name "Trump" backwards on the front. One would have to really look closely to figure it out. Having said that, how sad is it that she has to disguise her support in fear of being attacked by the wacko left? Tolerance!
Much of the Left's power has come from their moral judgement and the sadism with which they weilded it, their authority to denounce as -ist or -obic anyone who challenged them. Obama was all about moral hauteur and judgement, accompanied by little capacity for constructive action.
Trump has ripped moral authority away from the Left, and they are desperate and hysterical--because without their moral bludgeon, their power is gone. Their inept policies certainly compel no allegiance on practical grounds--their policies don't work.
And so we get phenomena like the Elite White Women's March--entitled, Leftist, affluent women who are terrified that their moral authority has gone, dissipated like darkness at dawn.
Blogger roesch/voltaire said...Politico has a great article "Inside a Blue County Trump Turned Red" by Danny Frazier that gives insights into the divide and how Hillary supporters now have to deal with rural resentment against so-called outsiders who have settled into Pepin County, Wis. I don't think anyone has to suck it up for four years, but approach each person and issue one at a time and resist that which they disagree upon. For example, Bernie and I like the repeal of the TPP but neither of us like the total repeal of ACA.
Most of the lefties mentioned in the article were former residents of the Minneapolis-St. Paul metropolitan area and have no clue how hard it is to make a living in many of these small towns in many parts of Wisconsin, so they demonstrate their cluelessness to the natives on a daily basis.
Blogger Chuck said...Ok I'll play...How do you, Achilles, explain that part of Trump where he is a birther, a truther, a vaxxer and a draft dodger?
Nobody cares about this minor shit you hold up like it is a deciding factor.
"Really, If someone wrote this but was wearing a Hillary t-shirt in Mobile, AL, you would be ridiculing her to no end (and she does deserve ridicule).
"
FF you often self-identify as a rube with no knowledge of most of America. This is an example.
I'm not from the south, but it has been my pleasure to have lived in Alabama for almost 30 years. A Hillary shirt in Mobile, Alabama would rarely, if ever, elicit an FU comment. Nor would people leave a restaurant upon seeing such. First of all we don't get our boxers in a bunch quite so easily. Secondly people in the south are POLITE.
You can look the word up.
Danno:
Specifically the only people who mattered in the recent election did not care. Those non-issues do not affect them. What affects them is jobs and the economy. Every time fools like Chuck concentrate on those issues is a chance for a recognition by the people who matter that Chuckist status quo boobs, Leftists and the MSM do not care about them and their issues.
The only people who matter were a few hundred thousand voters in a few states.
Chuck cannot understand those people. They do not exist in Chuck's experience. He is a fool.
Nobody cares about this minor shit you hold up like it is a deciding factor.
1/24/17, 5:23 PM
speaking of which, "draft dodger." Chuck, tell us all about your war record, won't you? Because there's a ton of vets in this board not one of which has expressed this concern of seconded you on it.
While we're at it, what did you have to say about Cheney? Do you know Mike Pence has never spent a day in uniform? That hatchet seems to have been buried. (I was too young for Vietnam, considerably)
P.S. All, watch for the chickenshit coward, Chuck, to dodge this one. Cause when he's beat, he runs away and pretends like it never happened.
eric said..."But then he goes and writes dumb stuff like the above and I think, "Hrmmm, maybe they are right.""
I agree. Chuck does contribute some good things, but then he throws in some really stupid stuff and our Althousian regulars do rebuttals to these statements. Since Chuck always has to have the last word, he completely annoys the rest of us in these instances.
Just so we're clear, some lady notices that people who can't stop broadcasting their opposition to Trump act like assholes, and Chuck sees that as a reason to broadcast his opposition to Trump.
Fascinating.
I don't even wear my non-political red baseball hat any more just to avoid the potential problems.
An attitude the one Fouls the nest by moving to new places in America seems very un-American to me; that's what folks do all the time whether it be to work the oil fields or start up a pie company in Pepin-- get a grip the times have always changed.
Agree with Sebastian, Democrats know their fellow travelers are mean and violent.
Since she either carries the hat or tells almost everyone she encounters she is performing an experiment, a more accurate title for her article would be "I was too afraid to put on a "Make America Great Again" hat.
Freder imagines this place exists where you can't wear Hillary swag without getting your hat knocked off, therefore it does!
Bad Lieutenant said...
...
speaking of which, "draft dodger." Chuck, tell us all about your war record, won't you? Because there's a ton of vets in this board not one of which has expressed this concern of seconded you on it.
First, I am too young -- barely -- for Vietnam. I have a draft card from 1974 which rates me at, I think "1H." Which we always presumed was for something like "1A, except that there's no draft." But since there was no draft, I was never even asked for a physical. It was the end of the Vietnam era, there was no draft, and the military wasn't even much looking for volunteers.
I went through my undergraduate years at Michigan, without ever taking out a single loan. I went through law school with three $5000 loans. If I was going to college today, I'd be begging them to let me into ROTC.
I've told lots of people that one of my regrets/disappointments in hindsight was having never served in the military. But back when I was 18-26, the military was not held in much regard (a terrible failing on our part), I didn't need the tuition money, and absolutely none of my friends had any interest.
While we're at it, what did you have to say about Cheney? Do you know Mike Pence has never spent a day in uniform? That hatchet seems to have been buried. (I was too young for Vietnam, considerably)
I have no comment on Dick Cheney except to say that he employed successive, legal student deferments up until the time that he became a new father and then got a final deferment for that. Trump employed successive, legal student deferments up until he took his draft physical with a private doctor and got a physical deferment for "heel spurs" which I think was a fraud.
As for Pence, he's younger than I am (although I look considerably younger than he does lol). I'd describe myself as tolerant of Mike Pence in general. But not a big fan. His military considerations are probably much like mine. Our generation is going to save the federal government a hell of a lot of money in VA healthcare costs in the next 30 years.
Chuck:
In the future typing "I am full of shit" is quicker and more accurate.
Go Buckeyes!
roesch/voltaire:
All those Boston Brahmins are known for their acceptance of outsiders. Do you even logic, bro?
roesch/voltaire: An attitude the one Fouls the nest by moving to new places in America seems very un-American to me; that's what folks do all the time whether it be to work the oil fields or start up a pie company in Pepin-- get a grip the times have always changed.
Nobody says that moving to a new place is inherently nest-fouling, rv. But when you screw up your own hometown with idiotic policies, then run away to a still unfucked-up place and immediately start agitating to implement the same stupid policies that screwed-up your old home...that's nest-fouling.
If smug progressives were just starting up pie companies and treating the existing residents and their local culture with respect (instead of whining about them and dissing them in liberal media) nobody would be complaining about them.
There's a reason the appearance of the first Californians inspires trepidation in pleasant, happy communities all across America. (No offense intended to Michael K, who I'm sure will be working to make (keep) Arizona great, not Californicating it.)
Okay Chuck, I'll give you this, you came to bat. Yes, 'we all think meanly of ourselves who were not soldiers, or did not go to sea.' I'll extend you the further courtesy of taking you at your word.
Now, 'you think-you think' about Trump and his doctor. I daresay you know what I think about you. Neither of us has proof. You being the lawyer are supposed to care about that sort of thing. So, are you going to let this one rest? You'll always have 'birther' to hang your hat on. (He didn't invent it, but I'll admit he ran with it.)
Chuck -
I have nothing against you and generally enjoy your comments.
I'm just amazed - however - at your dogged determination in making a continual case against Trump even in the face of constant withering criticism. What is it about Trump that compels you to engage on the receiving side of a 4 to 1 pissing contest on nearly envy post all day long. Don't you have anything better to do?
I mean seriously; what is your issue with Trump that means you need to give up very day seven days a week on every poet fighting off silly ad hominem attacks and feeling the compulsion to engage everyone point by point all day long.
There's a whole world out there to explore. You could probably make your case just - if not more - convincingly by popping in a few times a day, making your choice comments, then heading out into the sunshine to take the dog for a walk, hike a trail or visit your local bistro for some coffee.
Counseling is available. Bringing you back to reality (best case) is recommended if you can afford it.
Her experiment was a failure. She inserted bias every time she "explained" to bystanders. She got the responses she expected because she asked for them. Her own behaviors and expectations determined the outcome. Without interviewing people, she assigned feelings to their actions and facial expressions. It would have been better to have someone else (an actual Trump supporter?) wear the hat, observe reactions, and talk to people.
Her fear of this "experiment" was so strong she compared it to bungee jumping. Bah. Self-fulfilling prophecy.
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