People with only Trump-hating friends are creating viral stories that will obviously work against their anti-Trump agenda.
It's especially bad when privileged people flaunt hostility aimed at the women — Ivanka and Melania.
In addition to that harassing of Ivanka on the plane yesterday, there are the artists who — after selling artwork to Ivanka — are demanding that she remove it from her walls:
“She frequents the art world, what’s sometimes called ‘the New York liberal bubble,’” curator Alison Gingeras, a leader of the movement, explained to The New Yorker. “So we already know we can speak with her, and we want to appeal to her personal stakes.”And I just stumbled into this story about Olivia Wilde* Instagramming about her haircut: "Feelin myself apparently. Thanks to the master @harryjoshhair for the chop. #nomoremelaniahair.”
Thus far, however, Ivanka has not responded to the “Dear Ivanka” protestors, nor to the many fears and anxieties they’ve disclosed. And until she does, the art world must continue to take a stand.
There has long been an economic divide between the people who make art and the people who buy it, but now more than ever artists working to resist the normalization of hate and protect the rights of marginalized communities are realizing the art marketplace is no longer an apolitical business.
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* I know: Who's Olivia Wilde? I had to look it up. Got to the Wikipedia page. Was instantly distracted by the photograph:
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I'll concede that she really did have a looks-too-much-like-Melania problem. Maybe before it was the sense that Melania looked like her, and the tables got horrifyingly reversed.
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208 पैकी 1 – 200 नवीन› नवीनतम»These two Jet Blue jerks should have been banned for life from the airline, like the Trumper did last month. Instead, they probably got their fare refunded and a fistful of drink coupons too. Gay privilege.
As for the "artists," Ivanka should offer to sell the schlock back to them for 1000x what she paid.
This idiot woman fell for the "talking Arabic on a plane" You Tube jerk. Immediately tweeted "I'm not going to fly Delta anymore" and you could hear the whiny voice coming straight thru the tweet.
The "husband" who tweeted is a professor at Hunter College. He has since removed his Twitter account. One dad, who was sitting in front of Ivanka, said on his Facebook page the one guy was "shaking" as he said ivanka should not be allowed to fly commercial.
So thanks to these idiots, acting on their Trump derangement syndrome, made others miss their connecting flights. Merry Christmas, you assholes!
Some of this stuff borders on mental illness.
I hope you are right, Althouse; that these sorts of personal attacks in public places on members of the Trump family or members of the Trump Administration (or, let's face it, ANY Republican in 2017 and beyond, once they start passing legislation that will get a presidential signature for a change) will shame the Left and cause a broad popular backlash.
I kind of doubt it though. And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive.
They said that a Trump victory would open the floodgates of Hate and Intolerance, and they were right.
America is bigoted and gay men can't ask a simple question or even merely state their opinion without being victimized worse than anywhere else in the history of the world.
#AmericaMostEvilThingEvar
Fuck off, Chuck.
"I kind of doubt it though. And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
People should aim their attack at whatever it is that is actually offensive or they are wrecking their credibility and causing backlash. It's very stupid.
but now more than ever artists working to resist the normalization of hate and protect the rights of marginalized communities are realizing the art marketplace is no longer an apolitical business.
Oh NOW they realize that?
No, actually, everyone in the art marketplace has known this for centuries. These are opt-in epiphanies.
Ivanka should make an Art Installation.
Hang all the pictures in a Gallery with the paintings facing the wall.
She bought the back of the paintings as well as the front.
I am Laslo.
I kind of doubt it though. And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive.
If that's a problem, then Trump opponents certainly can't behave his way, can they? When they do, they validate the "acceptability" of Trump's alleged offensive behavior, particularly when there's been nary a peep about this incident from Ivanka or The Donald.
As for the "artists," Ivanka should offer to sell the schlock back to them for 1000x what she paid.
Or she should be like the Saatchi's, sell it off for nothing, and ruin the market.
Instead, they probably got their fare refunded
I think JetBlue just put this asshole on a later flight. Funny how they guy made himself out to be a conscientious agitator unitl he got in a bit of trouble, then tried to paint himself as a safe space victim.
"ever artists working to resist the normalization of hate"
Oh, I think hate's plenty normalized already, guys. By they way, if Trump takes down the art, do the artists give her back her money?
That's the best Laslo ever.
Ivanka should have kicked the shit out of those two pussies. And then Chuck.
How about Ivanka takes down the work and puts it in an unventilated basement?
Ivanka is an intelligent impressive woman. That's very intimidating to gay guys that don't have their shit together.
Not to worry I'm sure the feminists will come out in droves to defend her.
Regarding Olivia Wilde: on the TV series 'Vinyl' (set in the 70s) she appeared nude with a merkin to be era-authentic.
Her hair makes statements, both north and south.
I am Laslo.
SHouldn't we be encouraging the Trump family to fly commercial rather than flying private (soon enough at our expense!) everywhere?
Original Mike said...
Some of this stuff borders on mental illness.
Yes.
She should keep her art proudly displayed. She paid for it. It's hers. If artists want to keep control of their stuff, they shouldn't sell it. It's a product. They made it that when they sold it. Morons.
More liberal New Yorkers working each other into a frenzy here.
The "husband" who tweeted is a professor at Hunter College.
That figures.
The incompetence of our intelligentsia is insane.
"And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
I bet that's exactly what they said.
Ann Althouse said...
"I kind of doubt it though. And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
People should aim their attack at whatever it is that is actually offensive or they are wrecking their credibility and causing backlash. It's very stupid.
Again, I say; I agree with you. I hope you are right. It isn't really a question of "should," between you and I because we agree on the "should."
Donald Trump "shouldn't" continue to say reckless and stupid things. But, uh, I am not holding my breath...
What a frightful thing to happen to anyone, to be accosted by angry people while you're boarding a plane.
Idiots. And the tweet makes it seem like their *proud* of their juvenile, shameful behavior.
Virtue signalling: it's not just for breakfast anymore.
Some of this stuff borders on mental illness.
Yes, they crossed into the crazy zone several miles back.
Think of how easy it has been, and would be, to defend George W. Bush from personal attacks like those of Cindy Sheehan, etc. And how easy it was to defend Mitt Romney from the Harry Reid attacks. And how simple it would be, to defend their family members from personal attacks. Family members who weren't neck-deep in their father's business and presidential meetings.
Compare, the Trump family.
And oh of course before someone suggests it; let's all agree that the left-leaning and Obama-loving national press corps would have gone apeshit if anyone had done anything like any of this to an Obama family member. (Oh, and yeah they might well have overlooked the same, with members of the Reagan family.)
They should have tried disliking the first lady at a time everyone was demanding you love her, think she's in amazing physical shape, and find her fashion to be dreamy. Melania at least seems quite happy to just be ignored by all of us.
At least nobody is demanding you adore the Trumps. At least Donald doesn't try to woo the country by taking Melania on publicity seeking date nights.
Nobody has to love or like the Trumps. But for heavens' sake, try to keep your shit together.
Olivia Wilde could use a couple of months of grits and souse. Too many bones sticking out for Wilbur.
And the airlines should put those shitheads on the no fly list.
And how simple it would be, to defend their family members from personal attacks. Family members who weren't neck-deep in their father's business and presidential meetings.
TBH, I think it would be out of bounds to seethe with rage and shake and confront even Valerie Jarret on a commercial plane.
I don't think it's stable behavior, and it certainly wouldn't be very convincing to anyone.
Shrieking homosexuals harassed Ivanka Trump and her family. Imagine, if a shrieking Ivanka harassed the homosexual couple. Gay privilege, indeed.
My sister can't stand Barack Obama as president, but she found herself seated next to him at a public event. And they ended up having a nice chat about non-political things.
That's what you do when you have self-control.
It's almost as if the lefties are trying to validate every one of those negative stereotypes that they're always decrying as irrational bigotry. Today, it's "gay men are hysterical vindictive bitches" and "artists are ovine airheads".
But hey, at least it's a break from the usual "women are trivial-minded and illogical", "blacks are morally unaccountable children" exercises in negative stereotype-validation dished up by these people.
"And they ended up having a nice chat about non-political things That's what you do when you have self-control"
That's so true. I could play golf with Bill Clinton or Barak Obama and we'd get along great. I've played with Hillary's brother and other Dem pols and it's not a problem.
But I wouldn't play the Slickster for money. Have to watch him too closely.
It's interesting the media seems to be protecting the husband who created the incident by no longer identifying his place of employment. The initial report included it, but I've read several since omitting it. They seem to have concluded it's inappropriate for people to be tied to their workplaces when it might create problems for the employer thus potentially impacting their employment (which explains why they have no problem identifying Hunter College - they know no academic will pay a price for attacking Trump).
It's revealing the media has modified their position exactly when it protects a left wing member of a favored identity group.
She should take the art and prominently display it under a TRUMP banner that will be photographed over and over.
You know, Althouse, I was focused on the (inexcusable) offense directed at Ivanka. I overlooked this part of your linked article:
Reuters was not able to identify the passenger who was removed. Matthew Lasner, a Twitter user cited by TMZ, said his husband was going to confront Ivanka Trump and her husband, Jared Kushner, at the airport.
“Ivanka and Jared at JFK T5, flying commercial,” Matthew Lasner (@mattlasner) wrote in a tweet, which has since been deleted. “My husband chasing them down to harass them. #banalityofevil.”
Matthew's husband...?
Fabulous! So much for any wider understanding that Trump is actually "pro-gay and being cagey about it."
And how simple it would be, to defend their family members from personal attacks.
Since personal attacks left both these men with poor public reputations it's not clear what "easy" means. Sure it's easy to mouth the words but it obviously wasn't easy to succeed.
I've compared the Trump family, Chuck. The group this asshole was harassing included several who "weren't neck-deep in their father's business and presidential meetings", namely Trump's grandchildren, aged 5, 3, and almost 9 months (thank you, Wikipedia), plus some of his nephews or cousins (not clear which, but also apparently children).
And it's not so much that the press "would have gone apeshit if anyone had done anything like any of this to an Obama family member" but that they did go apeshit over someone who did far less. Didn't a Republican recently lose her job for suggesting on Facebook that the Obama daughters should try not to scowl so much when appearing at public events? Will this guy lose his jobs for doing far worse? Don't hold your breath.
Indeed, some of us have noticed "how easy it has been" for the American press to wallow in coverage of a Bush daughter's underage beer drinking while basically ignoring what certainly looked like Malia Obama smoking dope at Lollapalooza.
Oh well, just another example of Chuck's more-in-sorrow-than-in-anger criticism of his supposed party's candidate. I wonder what he thinks of Obama's habit of accidentally-on-purpse giving the finger to people he's criticizing in speeches. Seems a bit nastier in some ways than Trumpish direct criticism.
Chuck said...
Think of how easy it has been, and would be, to defend George W. Bush from personal attacks like those of Cindy Sheehan, etc. And how easy it was to defend Mitt Romney from the Harry Reid attacks. And how simple it would be, to defend their family members from personal attacks. Family members who weren't neck-deep in their father's business and presidential meetings.
Why would the fact his kids are involved in the business make them any more culpable for their father's personal opinions and statements? Chelsea Clinton is more involved in the bad things her mother has done than the Trump kids are in their father's tweets, and you don't see her getting harassed in public -- and I doubt very much that is because it happened and was not reported.
Harassing Trump's family, simply put, is no different from harassing Obama's or Bush's daughters. It has nothing to do with whether Trump says hurtful things or whatever other reasons that lefties are suffering from TDS. You should not be leveraging, as you are trying to do, the behavior of these shitty people as another way to criticize what you don't like about Trump, as though what they're doing may be wrong but is understandable. It's not understandable, and there is no justification for it whatsoever.
"Chuck said...
You know, Althouse, I was focused on the (inexcusable) offense directed at Ivanka. I overlooked this part of your linked article:
Matthew's husband...?
Fabulous! So much for any wider understanding that Trump is actually "pro-gay and being cagey about it."
Explain this idiocy.
Sorry, Curious George, but you can't explain stupid.
The extent to which the LGBTQ?* community has reacted with horror to Trump himself strikes me as odd--this guy has to be, objectively, the most LGBTQ?*-friendly person ever elected President (at the time of their election), no?
Anglelyne said...
Today, it's "gay men are hysterical vindictive bitches"
Thanks, that was the phrase I was looking for.
The paintings shown in the PuffyHo article suck, but I kinda liked the idea of putting a frame around some peeling wallpaper - throw in some dials and it'd be a steampunk.
My last was an answer to Chuck's 8:49am comment. As for his 9:08am comment, what a contemptible lie! Ivanka didn't have the guys removed, the airline did, and they obviously would have done so if the harasser's tweeting wife had been a woman. This has nothing whatever to do with Trump's attitude towards gays, everything to do with some gays' irrational hatred of Trump - or rather of Republicans, since gays don't seem to have had any problem with Trump until he entered the Republican primaries, and he has said and done nothing anti-gay since.
Why are progressives so mean to women? What have Melania and Ivanka done to anyone to deserve such treatment? This is just turning more people away from the Sore Loser party. I still have a "SORE-LOSERMAN" (Gore-Lieberman colors) T-Shirt from 2000 that I wore a lot this year. It still fits that party.
Note: I'm just jumping in here, because the default landing zone is the last comment posted. And just from Dr Weevil's text I see Chuck stirred some shit up-thread. Is he defending the asshats who yell at women? I don't know.
HoodlumDoodlum said...
The extent to which the LGBTQ?* community has reacted with horror to Trump himself strikes me as odd--this guy has to be, objectively, the most LGBTQ?*-friendly person ever elected President (at the time of their election), no?
I am confused by the same thing. I think it really does just show how much political-gay really just means "democrat".
So much for any wider understanding that Trump is actually "pro-gay and being cagey about it."
He's not even cagey about it! It's not like Trump is an outspoken LGBT advocate, but he's been unambiguous.
Half the country just doesn't want to accept as fact what is right in front of their faces, because it clashes with the narrative. So they see a photo of Trump holding a rainbow flag and it breaks their brains.
Chuck said...Think of how easy it has been, and would be, to defend George W. Bush from personal attacks like those of Cindy Sheehan, etc. And how easy it was to defend Mitt Romney from the Harry Reid attacks.
Counterpoint: Romney lost. He lost pretty big(ly). Personal attacks that hurt his overall likability were one part of that loss. Harry Reid's lies about Romney not paying taxes hurt Romney. Bush won, but his popularity nosedived (nosedove?) in part because of massive Media coverage of Sheehan and similar activists (who had, remember "absolute moral authority").
Chuck said...Fabulous! So much for any wider understanding that Trump is actually "pro-gay and being cagey about it."
What? What the hell are you saying here, Chuck? One gay guy/family reacts in a way you describe as "inexcusable" but once you realize they're gay suddenly their actions signal some failure on Trump's part to spread a "wider understanding" that he's pro-gay?
Like...you've already concluded this person's actions (against Ivanka on the plane/at the airport) were bad and wrong. You're now attempting to turn that into some sort of insult against Trump...because if Trump had done a better job of appealing to this guy's community the guy wouldn't have taken these wrong, bad actions?
I hope you hear how dumb that sounds, Chuck. You're not that dumb. Is it possible that you often let your desire to insult Trump lead you to say things that make you sound dumber than you are?
Harassing Trump's family, simply put, is no different from harassing Obama's or Bush's daughters. It has nothing to do with whether Trump says hurtful things or whatever other reasons that lefties are suffering from TDS. You should not be leveraging, as you are trying to do, the behavior of these shitty people as another way to criticize what you don't like about Trump, as though what they're doing may be wrong but is understandable. It's not understandable, and there is no justification for it whatsoever.
What part of my agreeing with Althouse didn't you get? I agree that no one "should" do this to Ivanka. I said that. Why didn't you get it? I went further, in the realm of our national culture wars, to suggest that Republicans in the public eye get treated differently. I beat you to that one. And in absolutely no way, shape or form did I or would I tolerate, approve or condone any harassment in front of small children. It ought to provoke a backlash, precisely as Althouse suggested.
...... Aaand yeah, I'm mostly happy with any reasonable cause, to criticize Donald Trump's vulgar personal boorishness.
Chuck: Think of how easy it has been, and would be, to defend George W. Bush from personal attacks like those of Cindy Sheehan, etc. And how easy it was to defend Mitt Romney from the Harry Reid attacks. And how simple it would be, to defend their family members from personal attacks.
Lol, what does that even mean, Chuck, politically? The oh-so-defensible Romney lost; the appalling indefensible Trump...well, here we are.
Any minute now, you're going to convert prog loons to Principled Conservatism(tm), and sway fence-sitters, if you just keep leading by timorous, butt-kissing, all-defense-all-the-time example.
There are assholes everywhere. It's always been thus and always will be. The part of this story that outrages me, and I don't get outraged all that often, is the people defending that type of asshole behavior. When did it become acceptable to lash out and try to harass or humiliate someone in public - particularly a mother and her 3 kids - because politics, or for any reason? Flying coach, no less, despite being members of the one of the world's richest families? There is literally nothing they can do to stop the immature and braindead hatred they are going to experience over the next 4 or 8 years.
Anyone who defends behavior like this is just as miserable as those pricks. And considering most political agendas of the left are in response to too many people - resource depletion, food shortages, abortion, birth control, etc - if these miserable fux are true believers they should kill themselves.
If your life is so horrible you can't handle sitting next to someone who may think differently than you for 2 hours of your life, just kill yourself. You are stealing valuable oxygen from nice, normal people.
If I were Ivanka, I would publicly burn the paintings in question and make sure the videotape went viral.
No Chuck explain this:
"Matthew's husband...?
Fabulous! So much for any wider understanding that Trump is actually "pro-gay and being cagey about it."
"Why are progressives so mean to women?"
Because they are feminists.
Hoodlum the part about Trump's being "pro gay and being cagey about it" isn't any policy issue at all.
It is an issue for Althouse. It's her quote. It's a quote, wherein I think she was and is right. I agree with her; I think that Trump (and his family) are all "pro-gay and being cagey about it."
It is a major point with me only insofar as I continue to wonder whether it was a major factor in Althouse having substantially steered her wonderful blog into a pro-Trump backwater.
I would have expected, under other circumstances, for Althouse to have taken a Charlie Sykes position, if she really detested Hillary Clinton.
What part of my agreeing with Althouse didn't you get?
The part where you just had to throw in that barb "the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
Like that has anything to do with anything.
The behavior of people who hate Donald Trump toward his family members is not a reflection of his character.
This guy was with his own kid when he did this. Some people are just jagoffs.
I agree. One of Laslo's best quips. I am in awe of his quick and vivid imagination,
The man and his "husband" did this using using the shield of an innocent child. And they did this to Ivanka and Jared in front of their children. What shameful parents they are! Shame them!
"And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
Speaking of offensive, how is your campaign to prove Melania was a prostitute going ?
I know. I violated my own resolution to ignore you.
Sometimes flesh and blood cannot stand some things.
I agree with the commenter who suggested selling the art work back at a big premium. Interesting thing to me is that if this were happening in Europe, the artist might get have a legal claim. Called moral rights, it is only minimally implemented here, which only prevents the destruction of real art (forget the actual definition here), and nothing else. Instead, we have the First Sale doctrine that essentially says that once you sell a work (or copy thereof), you give up your legal right to control it. So, the Trumps can't burn the art work (and can only minimally photograph it), but can do most anything else they want with it.
Chuck is just reflecting the behavior of "lifelong Republicans" everywhere.
They have a first amendment right to burn the work. Political speech trumps copyright law.
"they are wrecking their credibility and causing backlash. It's very stupid."
If chuck wasn't saying things that are stupid, he would be mute,.
(1) The child needs to be removed from the custody of the couple who harassed Ivanka Trump. The child needs s fair chance in life to grow up in home that is not consumed with hatred.
(2) Olivia Wilde is a wonderful actress and I really like her work, but if the camera pans down to her mid-torso it's easy to tell her apart from Melania.
(3) As far as I am concerned, once a piece of art is sold it belongs to the buyer, period. They can store it in their basement, they can hang it on their wall, they can use it for toilet paper, they can light it on fire and throw it from the top of Trump Tower as performance art, it no longer belongs to the artist.
I love how the MSM is trying to whitewash Goldstein and his wife Michael Lasner for verbally assaulting the soon to be First Lady. Headlines noticed:
- Man kicked off Jet Blue for *questioning* why Ivanka was on plane
- Passengers removed from Jet Blue after Ivanka Trump *incident*.
- Man kicked off Jet blue after Invanka Trump *complaints*.
- Man kicked off plane after *reportedly confronting* Ivanka Trump
"I hope you hear how dumb that sounds, Chuck. You're not that dumb."
Yes, Chuck is that dumb.
There seems to be some segment of the Gay community that goes bonkers over women who disagree with them. Remember Sullivan and his crazy tirades against Palin and Trig's baby?
Or maybe its just Liberals being Liberals.
Chuck said...And how simple it would be, to defend their family members from personal attacks. Family members who weren't neck-deep in their father's business and presidential meetings.
Compare, the Trump family.
It's funny, Chuck, but I find it pretty easy to defend the Trump family now. I think it might say something about you that you, apparently, don't.
Two Progressives attack a young woman and her children on an airplane, and lifelong Republican Chuckles takes the opportunity to attack the republican president-elect.
I'm shocked, shocked I tell you!
I'd be interested to know why Ivanka (a) doesn't have SS protection and (b) is traveling commercial.
I hope this encounter with a hate-filled liberal will change the situation.
How would the Left and the MSM (I repeat myself) react if some Rightwing idiots did something like this to Chelsea or Sasha?
Of course that would never happen because they would never be caught dead in coach....hell they don't even fly on planes that have coach.
"mccullough said...
This guy was with his own kid when he did this. Some people are just jagoffs."
mccullough going old school!
I have a new Ann Althouse guessing game inspired by the first line of this post, namely: "One tweet exemplifies the idiotic short-sightedness of freewheeling Trump-hating."
The game is: "Is that the actual title of the post to which Ms. Althouse is linking?" I guessed "yes" and I was wrong.
I'd be interested to know why Ivanka (a) doesn't have SS protection
There was SS on the plane, and they are probably the ones who asked that the asshole be removed.
I find it humorous that the same people who were sneering at Ivanka's taste in artists and interior decoration are now championing the "tasteless" "gaudy" artists who made it.
I find it humorous that the same people who were sneering at Ivanka's taste in artists and interior decoration are now championing the "tasteless" "gaudy" artists who made it.
BTW, Chuck just outed himself. Come out of the closet Chuck, the air is fine.
rcocean said...I love how the MSM is trying to whitewash Goldstein and his wife Michael Lasner for verbally assaulting the soon to be First Lady
Yeah, I saw that yesterday, too: they have some pretty funny standards for "harassment," huh? Kinda like how Leftist demonstrations that include rioting are "mostly peaceful" but calm, friendly Tea Party rallies are "frightening" and feature "violent rhetoric."
Does anyone think Romney's kids would be treated better if he had defeated Obama?
Progs would have absolutely lost their shit.
Those who don't agree have a poor memory. The characterization by the left of Romney in 2012 was barely different from the current characterization of Trump.
And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive.
Pot, kettle, oh ye of little personal self-insight.
Original Mike: Some of this stuff borders on mental illness
Borders? I think they have gone way past the border.
Seriously. These people need help, intervention or rubber rooms.
I'll wager the tweeting queer doesn't realize how banal their evil has become.
Gahrie said...There was SS on the plane, and they are probably the ones who asked that the asshole be removed.
Ok, so I read about this on Twitter yesterday (probably the most I've ever been on Twitter) and I forget the reporter but someone from (I think) CNN had a friend who happened to be on the flight and the reporter published the friend's comments. According to that friend her SS didn't intervene (although they were at the airport and on the flight) and Ivanka herself tried to downplay the situation and said something like "I don't want this to be a thing," and the decision to take the rude/harassing folks off the plane was made only by JetBlue staff.
So, anyway...that's a version I read yesterday.
Michael K said...
"And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
Speaking of offensive, how is your campaign to prove Melania was a prostitute going ?
I know. I violated my own resolution to ignore you.
Sometimes flesh and blood cannot stand some things.
My "campaign" (your word) to prove that Melania was a prostitute originated with a Slovenian celebrity magazine "Suzy." As, uh, reported at... Breitbart.com.
http://www.breitbart.com/news/melania-trump-sues-slovenia-journalist-over-escort-claims/
I expect that anyone conducting such a campaign has a slightly better chance (but only slightly better) at proving the truth of the allegation, than Donald Trump had in proving that Barack Obama was not a U.S.-born citizen. Or that vaccines cause autism. Or that everyone in the highest levels of the Bush Administration knew that there were no stockpiles of chemical weapons an fissile material in Iraq. Or that "thousands" of Muslims in New Jersey cheered on television as the World Trade Center collapsed. Or that General Pershing dipped bullets in pigs' blood and used them to execute Muslim captives.
There are all kinds of crazy theories in this world of ours.
To make it clearer:
Romney's sons would have been subject to the same abuse Trump's kids are getting now. It would be the same people leveling the abuse, just at a different target.
That's just who these people are. It's how they live, and think, and act. The target is whoever is in front of them and fits criteria.
So, the Trumps can't burn the art work (and can only minimally photograph it), but can do most anything else they want with it.
Paint an American flag over it and then burn it.
Given recent experience, I recognize the behaviour of this couple. As I've mentioned a number of times, my wife and I have hosted foreign exchange students over the years. After 12 successful placements, we've had 2 disasters these past 2 years. Both boys did their best to trash our reputations in school and the community, despite our organization telling them to knock it off. They were also both gay. Our gay friends have since told us that the "angry gay" is indeed a type. Their intent is to inflict as much reputational pain as they can, and there is no molifying them. It is really quite frightening. I wonder to what extent those suing, harrassing bakers photographers, caterers, and such, are the same type.
"If I were Ivanka, I would publicly burn the paintings in question and make sure the videotape went viral."
I don't like "contemporary art" but she has a right to her tastes. Just ignore the virtue signaling.
How about Ivanka takes down the work and puts it in an unventilated basement?
Ivanka takes all the work and displays it en masse on a big wall, and does a happy dance, ala Ren and Stimpy, with Trump (happy happy joy joy) while flipping the bird at the artists.
Ok. She would never do that because she has class. I would....but I'm just a deplorable person :-)
Gahrie said...
Two Progressives attack a young woman and her children on an airplane,
Which I condemned, absolutely and in no uncertain terms. It was the first thing I wrote on this comments page; that I agreed with Althouse. Moreover, that it might result in a kind of backlash. Backlash of a kind of which I expect that you'd approve.
and lifelong Republican Chuckles takes the opportunity to attack the republican president-elect.
Only because the president-elect, a nominal Republican who has at one time or another insulted almost every major figure in the party, is himself such a flaming asshole, almost every day of the week.
who has at one time or another insulted almost every major figure in the party, is himself such a flaming asshole, almost every day of the week.
You say that like it is totally a bad thing.
Chuck...stating yet another reason that Trump was elected.
is himself such a flaming asshole, almost every day of the week.
I suggest an investment in mirrors Chuckles......
As the President-Elect has said, Tell them to go fuck themselves.
The relevant statute concerning destruction of the painting is The Visual Artists Rights Act of 1990 (VARA), 17 U.S.C. § 106A, which gives artists of "recognized stature" (still not well defined) extra rights in order to prevent the mutilation, or negligent or intentional destruction, of their works of art, essentially without their permission.
Not sure how this statutory right would play out in conflict with the 1st Amdt. My guess is that it would be case by case. The problem is that the statute does not intentionally discriminate on the basis of viewpoint, but, rather, is viewpoint neutral, and the party trying to enforce the Act is almost always a non-state actor (and only the federal courts used being state involvement).
Trump has not said anything insulting to anyone in any of the speeches I have heard. You choose to take offense at his words. Problem is yours, not his. Trumpet Derangement Syndrome causes severe mental illness.
Wait, now Chuck claims to object to someone because he is "such a flaming asshole, almost every day of the week"? Chuck needs to go look in the mirror.
Dust Bunny Queen said...
"...who has at one time or another insulted almost every major figure in the party, is himself such a flaming asshole, almost every day of the week..."
You say that like it is totally a bad thing.
Chuck...stating yet another reason that Trump was elected.
See, I get that. There are a lot of assholes out in the electorate, who feel like they haven't been represented, because they see a lot of composed, articulate people in Washington, and no nearly enough assholes like them.
And Donald Trump became the assholes' candidate. Representing assholes from Queens, to Staten Island, to Macomb County, to Waukesha County. The asshole of our time. An asshole for history.
And of course, he even won over the non-asshole vote, by being the lesser of two evils. Being an asshole is better than being a Democrat.
the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive
Really, Chuckie, personally offensive? How many times have we seen Trump screaming in someone's face? Invading their personal space? You really are part of the progressive myth-building team aren't you? You probably really believe that Trump insulted ALL MUSLIMS when he said he didn't like the one guy who publicly berated him from the DNC stage. You probably really believe that Trump called ALL MEXICANS rapists and murderers.
Because you believe all the stupid media exaggerations and outright lies, you will not criticize any horrible thing that evil people do to harm the Trumps, and you will make excuses for them. You who reject "But Clinton is worse" out of hand will always see a story like this and immediately react with, "But Trump...."
Look, it's nearly Christmas, it's a holiday season, let's all be nice. The news about poster Irene should make us a little more reflective and maybe more appreciative of each other.
I don't think Chuck is a terrible person and I don't think he's dumb. We have fun arguing w/each other sometimes and I'm sure we disagree about a lot, but he puts thought into most of his posts and doesn't just shout ad hominems or post crap all the time.
I honestly think you let your very-apparent intense dislike for Trump lead you to make arguments you wouldn't otherwise make and phrase criticisms in (perhaps intentionally) inflammatory ways, Chuck. When that's combined with your professions of loyalty to Republicans/hostility toward the Left generally it seems to really tweak a lot of other commenters here--which again might be intentional.
Anyway we shouldn't gang up on Chuck--I'm glad he's around and I'm thankful that we have this space to all talk togehter. Maybe Chuck wouldn't mind if we just all agree that Trump is a particularly sore subject for him and maybe we should discount some of his Trump-related statements knowing that he's got a bit of a Trump-trigger, or something.
There are a lot of assholes out in the electorate
:-D
Back in 2006, my friend said women should not be allowed to vote.
Every day she gets more correct.
They really are hysterical. And reinforcing stereotypes.
See, I get that. There are a lot of assholes out in the electorate, who feel like they haven't been represented, because they see a lot of composed, articulate people in Washington, and no nearly enough assholes like them.
Now life-long Republican Chuckles is defending Washington D.C. and attacking the American people.....
I was going to say this outs him as a Democrat, but come to think of it, this is exactly the way the Republican Establishment feels also.....
I hope Trump is an asshole.
thats a feature, not a bug at this point.
"Banality of evil" indeed. The person and his husband don't even recognize which end is the evil one--they need to look in the mirror and remove the planks from their own eyes.
It's pretty obvious where all the hatred and evil lie, and it's not anywhere close to Trump.
Back in 2006, my friend said women should not be allowed to vote.
Repeal the 19th and the 26th!
the art world must continue to take a stand.
Another world war would really help us all refocus our priorities.
Legal question, Ann, does the companions' tweet regarding "harassment" create any legal liability for the gay couple?
MayBee: My sister can't stand Barack Obama as president, but she found herself seated next to him at a public event. And they ended up having a nice chat about non-political things.
That's what you do when you have self-control.
Of course, that's how NORMAL PEOPLE think and act. Chuck prefers a perverse society where we all shriek at people who are related to people who we hate for no good reason. Even Althouse tried to nudge him towards sanity, and he resists, "But Trump!"
Don't blame women! At least white women. Fifty-three percent of us voted for Trump.
Not to mention it was a premeditated harassment, according to the guy. Premeditated assault is what Chuck is defending. Man on woman violence is OK "Because Trump!"
" Being an asshole is better than being a Democrat."
Yep.
Because we're smarter.
Not you of course.
But me and those like me.
Ivanka should auction the art off for charity.
Blogger Mike said...
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Really, Chuckie...? How many times have we seen Trump screaming You probably really believe that Trump insulted ALL MUSLIMS when he said he didn't like the one guy who publicly berated him from the DNC stage.
I said not one word about Muslims in this thread.
If asked, all that I could say about Trump and Muslims is that his words were, "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our representatives can figure out what the hell is going on." It was a reckless statement, that Trump had to walk back, to being "a suggestion" and which has zero chance of becoming real policy. There will be no total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States.
You probably really believe that Trump called ALL MEXICANS rapists and murderers.
No, I don't believe that. Again, I never mentioned "Mexicans" in this thread. I think that Trump said, "When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best. They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."
I really don't recall ever writing much of anything about Mexicans on this blog. What I have written about repeatedly is the folly of Trump's bogus and laughable proposal to tax imported cars and auto parts at 35%. That will never happen.
Because you believe all the stupid media exaggerations and outright lies,
No, I don't believe all of them, and it is interesting that you'd hurl that stuip claim at me in a thread where I have already criticized the unfairness of the left-leaning media.
you will not criticize any horrible thing that evil people do to harm the Trumps, and you will make excuses for them.
I did no such thing; I did the opposite thing, in my writing above. I criticized the tormenters of Ivanka on the Jet Blue flight. I hoped that Althouse was right, in predicting a backlash. Exactly what else the fuck do you want from me?
I have done precisely one thing here that should bother you. I criticized Donald Trump's personal recklessness and vulgarity. And you can't stand that part. And for that, you want to accuse me of a half dozen other absurd things.
To me, the most damning part is the tweet which brags, "My husband chasing them down to harass them." It's very strange virtue signaling, completely lacking in virtue.
This never would have happened if she had only taken the train. Who is she to think her time is worth anything?
Seriously, the thing that really surprised me was that she was flying commercial. Not even on Delta or AA which have biz class. On JetBlue which is all coach.
She has enough money and access to the Trump air fleet that she could have used one of those planes. Given all the folks she was flying with (6? total plus SS) it might have even been cheaper than the individual tickets. Probably could have found a business reason for the flight and made it a tax deduction.
I think made a statement by flying JetBlue. I think the statement was "Hey America, we are just like you." I don't know if she was doing this on purpose or not but the statement was made. I suspect not on purpose. I suspect we would never have known if it had not been for the asshole.
Does she fly JetBlue regular or was this a one time event? If there were any real reporters they would ask to see her frequent flyer mileage.
John Henry
Mike said...
Not to mention it was a premeditated harassment, according to the guy. Premeditated assault is what Chuck is defending. Man on woman violence is OK "Because Trump!"
Stop it, you assclown. I haven't wasted one single word in all of this, "defending" the premeditated harassment. I condemned it from the start.
Remember when Crooked Hilary was pretending to travel around in the Scooby Doo van? Remember how she took a commercial flight and even schlepped her own rolliebag? At least long enough for the press photo.
How many commercial flights has she flown before or since?
John Henry
Regarding the art. If evangelicals have to bake cakes for gay weddings, why don't artists have to make art for conservatives? (Though I bet Ivanaka is liberal)
"Mike" and "Original Mike" are not the same.
Apology accepted.
Now if only I could figure out "realDonaldTrump."
The more you accuse someone of thought crimes you can't substantiate, the more you lose standing to make any accusations.
What will Olivia do if the Trump women cut their hair?
re: the art, litter box lining?
Your an equivocating liar Chuck. The fucking tweet that tops this post showed the premeditated asshole preparing to assault Ivanka, who is officially NOT responsible for anything her father does and you attacked her and defended the practice "Because Trump" which has been your flimsy excuse for approving of all manner of inappropriate behavior. Althouse tried to show you the error and you doubled down with the "personally offensive" crap.
Here is a perfect illustration:
I have done precisely one thing here that should bother you. I criticized Donald Trump's personal recklessness and vulgarity. And you can't stand that part. And for that, you want to accuse me of a half dozen other absurd things.
First, I'm not bothered by you. You are obviously bothered by Trump and obsessed with expressing it in every forum no matter the subject. And that's why your writing is so dishonest and at times internally contradictory: the post is about a couple of gay assholes who plan and execute a public attack on toddlers and Ivanka and you (poor reading comprehension and all) miss the fact the attacker is a gay activist and true to your form take the opportunity to tell us how Donald is the problem. And sure we joke around, but your inability to see this is weird. No matter what the post is about you attack Trump.
Did you look up monomania yesterday? Nope you just exhibit it again today!
So I'll explain it in simple terms and then do like the other sane people and stop reading your crap:
1. Evil progressive (who just happens to be gay not that there's anything wrong with that) yells at three children under 10-years-old and their mother in a crowded commercial jet.
2. Althouse writes it up.
3. You attack Trump for his sins and insinuate he caused it.
In the real world the asshat on the jet is responsible for his own actions. Donald didn't make him do it. The asshat did it on his own. Keep defending bad behavior if you like, I won't see it. Your like Guild and R&B now. Just another name that signals it's time for me to skip down to a sane post.
[Olivia Wilde] is well known for her role as Dr. Remy "Thirteen" Hadley on the award winning television series House...
From a Wikipedia entry obviously written by a publicist. No one, repeat, no one except Hugh Laurie was famous for his role in the House series, a show with a promising premise but afflicted with a staff of untalented writers. House was the last chance I gave television before I yanked the cable and re-purposed the display.
The broadly circulated reports of her new 'do is another obvious publicity ploy. The best therapy for Trump Derangement Syndrome is to turn a deaf ear to the puerility.
"I was going to say this outs him as a Democrat, but come to think of it, this is exactly the way the Republican Establishment feels also..."
It's long been obvious that "Chuck" is just a pseudonym for George Will's bow tie.
It is astounding that Trump has so much power over people that he can make them act like assholes.
That is essentially what those blaming Trump are saying.
Can't resist outing your lies one last time:
Chuck: I hope you are right, Althouse; that these sorts of personal attacks in public places on members of the Trump family or members of the Trump Administration (or, let's face it, ANY Republican in 2017 and beyond, once they start passing legislation that will get a presidential signature for a change) will shame the Left and cause a broad popular backlash.
I kind of doubt it though. And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive.
12/23/16, 8:22 AM
There it is. Your first post on the thread, the 4th one in line, right at the top.
1. NO condemnation of the act.
2. The only person with a "problem" as you write above is Donald Trump.
Chuck: Mike said...
Not to mention it was a premeditated harassment, according to the guy. Premeditated assault is what Chuck is defending. Man on woman violence is OK "Because Trump!"
Stop it, you assclown. I haven't wasted one single word in all of this, "defending" the premeditated harassment. I condemned it from the start.
1. Where I come from, making excuses like "the problem is that Trump himself has been so offensive" is considered a defense of the action in question, because it makes excuses for the attack.
2. Since you in no way condemn it. Show me the condemnation in your post. Is it the word backlash? Is that condemnation. Fucking liar.
At 10:48 you mis-quote me and then swerve around all the other issues without confronting my point, which is how you roll. Fuck off.
12/23/16, 10:51 AM
Are you acting this way on your own, making obnoxious comments while being obtuse? Or is Trump making you act this way? Is Trump responsible for it, is it his fault?
"Original Mike said...
Some of this stuff borders on mental illness. "
Some? Liberalism/Progressivism/Statism are forms of mental illness.
"If there were any real reporters they would ask to see her frequent flyer mileage. "
Good luck on finding "real reporters." The J schools don;t produce any. Just SJWs.
Apologies in advance to any of you answering chuck. I am skipping all comments related to him. Any brilliant insights I'll miss. Sorry.
Yeah..if it was a gesture towards not being above commercial..it is not surprising to me that it would backfire and someone's sphincter tightened to the point of requiring release.
But hard to believe the idiot(s) did that with little kids as old as 5 sitting there.
It's so unhinged it's almost suspicious as a false flag op.
Not saying it is..but normally..
So..I checked Donald's Twitter. No response whatsoever? Or was it deleted?
That would be REALLY surprising to me.
It's especially bad when privileged people flaunt hostility aimed at the women — Ivanka and Melania.
And especially (dare I say it?) privileged gay people.
Anyway, I think the big news is that these centamillionaires were flying coach. And of course were resented for doing so.
#waronwomen
She does look a bit like Melania Trump, but not more so than a host of other elegant ladies.
She does not have the Melania exotic edge though, she would be second rate as a Frank Frazetta Martian princess.
@Quaestor, I respectfully beg to disagree. Olivia Wilde, Jennifer Morrison, and Omar Epps all stood out for their acting on "House." I'm surprised we haven't seen more of Epps but he's good so I think we will.
Oh darn it. I keep forgetting that I'm a Republican so I'm not supposed to respect Black actors' work. They're all supposed to look alike to me. Just ask Morgan Freeman.
Banality of evil strikes again.
Or, in the case of Chuck and Ms Wilde, the banality of banality.
A lot of Democrat politicians have lost in the last three elections. This makes the liberals losing jobs in DC now as Trump drains the swamp wonder if the changes he is bringing might last. Campaign operatives in NY/DC have lost credibility which impacts their future. They wonder if this change might last. The top Dem leadership/media/campaign specialist circle is like Rust Belt union stewards watching factory jobs drain away forever for reasons they can't understand or control. They do not know what to do. So they lash out against the future and the foreigners who in this case are fellow Americans. I don't know the name for xenophobia-felt-for-fellow-citizens but the top of liberal society is feeling it. "Lifelong Republican" might know it's name since he's had it for years. At any rate we see the spectacle of innumerable real hate crimes against Trump supporters - the electors as a group received hundreds of thousands of hate e-mails and even death threats - and even Trump children which are ignored while fake hate crimes are presented as real news by the mainstream media. (And while real Islamic terrorism is presented as less significant than slipping in the bathtub - 'Tonight's news Roundup. "Terror in the Shower - I was there when the hot water suddenly ran cold. I froze in place." In other news some people might have been injured in a truck accident which it would be wrong to say had anything to do with anything. Finally, a message from Lena Dunham. 'I hate Trump's America but I'm not leaving as I promised. I'll stay and promote abortion which is wiping out the blacks and I don't need to care. Imma POS but Imma celebrity POS.'
Oh well. I gave it a shot.
I don't know the name for xenophobia-felt-for-fellow-citizens but the top of liberal society is feeling it.
Oikophobia is a useful word for this.
"I'm a Republican so I'm not supposed to respect Black actors' work."
??????
Denzel Washington did a great job with "Much Ado About Nothing.
Lou Gosset did a great job with An Officer and a Gentleman, with what was originally written as a white man's role.
Denzel Washington was great in Devil in a Blue Dress, which also introduced Don Cheadle.
What is this bullshit about being a Republican about ?
Come on !
Check your sarcasm detector, Michael K.
Chuck, go to the previous post for your bag of dicks. Some assembly required. Hope you get it together by Christmas.
JetBlue is the preferred way to travel to Palm Beach for New Yorkers. I'd bet Ivanka has taken the flight many times.
"Check your sarcasm detector, Michael K."
OK, Fair enough.
When ever I bump into politicians, actors in public places, I often chose to do little more than make eye contact and not invade their space unless they seem to invite it. But if the encounter is of a political kind, pr event etc, well that is different-- for example I refused to shake Gov Walker hand as my act of protest. And when in NYC this spring,if I see Trump, I will take a page from the Republicans and shout "You Lie."
Chuck even contradicts his own contradictions
" And when in NYC this spring,if I see Trump, I will take a page from the Republicans and shout "You Lie."
Do you think he would hear your pipsqueak voice ?
Blogger Michael K said...
"Check your sarcasm detector, Michael K."
OK, Fair enough.
I missed that one cold. Sorry. I guess I need this second cup of coffee.
I missed that one cold. Sorry. I guess I need this second cup of coffee.
Don't be so hard on yourself. It's not your fault. If only Trump were not so personally offensive, you would have caught it.
The relevant statute concerning destruction of the painting is The Visual Artists Rights Act of 1990 (VARA), 17 U.S.C. § 106A, which gives artists of "recognized stature" (still not well defined) extra rights in order to prevent the mutilation, or negligent or intentional destruction, of their works of art, essentially without their permission.
Not sure how this statutory right would play out in conflict with the 1st Amdt. My guess is that it would be case by case. The problem is that the statute does not intentionally discriminate on the basis of viewpoint, but, rather, is viewpoint neutral, and the party trying to enforce the Act is almost always a non-state actor (and only the federal courts used being state involvement).
She could piss on it and make a new work of art.
JetBlue is the preferred way to travel to Palm Beach for New Yorkers. I'd bet Ivanka has taken the flight many times.
This here, yes. 1) I've seen a number of financial services people that also fly via general aviation show up on JetBlue to Palm Beach or Fort Lauderdale. Lots of flights at good times, TSA Precheck, live TV & high speed internet gate to gate, good seat pitch, good snacks. It's not like taking the Citation X but it is not $4K+/hr operating plus landing fees, FBO, maintenance, accounting, etc. either. 3) Many dynastic wealth families are concerned about how wealth impacts their children. Some choose to travel more modestly. Think Ivanka thinks about this? 4) Optics. It is easy to track tail numbers these days and there are many leftie outfits who do. Did you count that Friday afternoon trip to PBI as a personal trip, Ms. Kushner?
Mike, you stupid shithead. You are such a Trumpkin moron, you need it spelled out for you in an itemized list. Here you go:
1. I condemn the personal abuse of Ivanka Trump on the Jet Blue flight.
2. I condemn it in every way possible. It should never have happened, and there is no excuse for it. The fact that Donald Trump is a complete asshole does not excuse it.
3. I agree with Professor Althouse, in her hope that it produces a backlash, against the sort of "progressives" who engage in this sort of personal-space violation.
4. If anyone thinks that the left-leaning media probably won't give this incident fair coverage, I expect you may be right.
Now, go fuck yourself. You fucking Trumpkins are every bit a bad as the Obamabots, in your kneejerk reaction to anyone who questions your Man. I know Trump is going to continue to do and say stupid insulting things and lower the national debate. I can only hope that it bites him really hard in his fat ass someday soon.
Oh, and since I cut-and-pasted you at 10:48, I'm not sure how I could have misquoted you.
@roesch, the thing is, Obama really was lying when the Republican Representative called him on it.
I think chuck addressed me but since I don't read his revolting squeals, I don;t know what it said. Seeing "Chuck" is enough.
How is Trump being cagey about being supportive of gay rights? There is a picture of him holding a rainbow flag at a rally overwritten in magic marker "Gays for Trump" or something in that vein. Seems fairly public and "un-cagey." He and his family have lived their entire lives in NYC, home of a great many gay folks. I am one of them. There has never been any story that he has had an issue with gay folks and in fact said that the issue was decided regarding gay marriage. Just as in some other minority communities, if you do not conform to the group think, then you are suspect. With 30+ years voting under my belt as a conservative gay man, I know what it is to be harassed and ridiculed for my political beliefs from other gay people.
Just unhinged thinking from people who think that just because they are gay, or (insert cohort here) they necessarily speak for all in the group. Bullshit. Had I been on that flight and observed that behavior , I might have been removed and rescheduled as well. My vitriol would not have been directed at the Kushner/Trump family, though.
Attention whores deserve the ridicule they get.
Olivia Wilde, Anna Kendrick, and Jake Johnsen were in a movie called Drinking Buddies that I recommend--funny and kinda bittersweet with a very realistic feel.
Olivia Wilde is very pretty in kind of an unusually-looking way (almost like Angelina Jolie is). She seems to do comedy well--she was funny in a guest spot on Portlandia.
It was a shame to find out a while back that she's a hardcore Lefty (I think she did FunnyOrDie spots arguing for Obamacare), like Emily Blunt and seemingly all Hollywood starlet-types are.
Drinking Buddies is still a good movie.
Had I been on that flight and observed that behavior , I might have been removed and rescheduled as well.
Or removed and banned from the airline for life, had you dared confront the two Special Snowflakes.
GrapeApe said...
How is Trump being cagey about being supportive of gay rights?
Since I brought it up, I'll answer. The quote, "I see Trump as pro-gay, and being cagey about it," is a quote from one of Althouse's own comments. The occasion was Trump's picking Mike Pence as his running mate.
Here is more of the quote:
To me, the anti-gay stuff from Pence is beyond the normal traditional-morals positioning. It's aggressive and stupid. The media will kill him with it and it will merge with the way they're already trying to kill Trump.
But some of you conservatives are so bent on getting back to traditional morality and using political power to do it that you're ready to leap into the risk that is Pence. I think Trump is smarter than that. I see Trump as pro-gay and being cagey about it.
And here is the link:
http://althouse.blogspot.com/2016/07/donald-trump-may-think-pence-is-safe.html?showComment=1468334209529#c6482441667197951534
Every time I bring up this Althouse quote, I feel obliged that I did my level best to goad her into that comment. (She might not feel that way at all.) And I honestly feel that Althouse is right, in substance. I agree with her, that Trump has been pro-gay all along, and has been cagey about it.
And the reason I see all of this as relevant to the Althouse blog is that, for me, it goes a long way toward explaining Althouse's mostly-solicitous attitude toward the Trump Phenomenon. She has never confirmed that for me. I am left to my suspicion(s).
Campy,
Hope I would get a refund. Ha!
"...I feel obliged to say that I did my level best..."
I am really concerned about violence at the Inauguration. I'm sure the USSS is on top of it but there are lot of crazy people around since deinstitutionalization took them all out of proper care.
The psychotic who shot Gabby Giffords and several others who died, had been protected by his probably crazy mother who worked for the Democrats Pima County Sheriff. The kids who shot up the school in Connecticut and the black church in Charleston were two more. The one in Connecticut was also protected by a goofy mother. She, of course, was his first victim.
The guy who tried to attack Trump in Ohio last summer was interviewed on CNN as though he was a person with a valid opinion instead of the attention whore he is.
The Muslims are bad enough without encouraging the idiots like those two on JetBlue.
Chuck, as someone whose third choice was Mr. Trump (behind Walker and Jindal), I have no problem with anything Pence has said. Trump runs the show. I respect whatever are his beliefs. What I do not respect are courts forcing folks into a groupthink situation. If you, for whatever reason, do not wish to involve your business in gay marriage, then you should be able to do that. The market sorts itself out.
While Mr. Pence mightn't be friendly to gay people, there is really nothing he is able to influence is there? Mr. Trump will decide what his role will be in the administration, and after the last eight year disaster, I don't think it will be about sex.
The Muslims are bad enough without encouraging the idiots like those two on JetBlue.
You left out the crazy guy who killed a delivery driver thinking it was Trump, and refuses to believe that it wasn't Trump.
@Chuck, are you sure you aren't trying to fight a battle you already won? It kinda makes you look demented.
Back in 2012 the Dumbocrats and press were trying to make ordinary Republicans answer for the ridiculous views of Todd Akin. Fair's fair so I think all gays need to answer for the two dingbats on JetBlue. Sauce for the goose and all that.
GrapeApe says: With 30+ years voting under my belt as a conservative gay man, I know what it is to be harassed and ridiculed for my political beliefs from other gay people.
A gay Republican I worked with at the county convention four years ago told me the same thing: That he is more vilified by the radical gay community than by 'rednecks'. It's much the same as conservative women and conservative blacks. As far as the MSM are concerned, they either don't exist or should be stamped out. To give them a voice would be dangerous to their narrative.
Back in 2012 the Dumbocrats and press were trying to make ordinary Republicans answer for the ridiculous views of Todd Akin. Fair's fair so I think all gays need to answer for the two dingbats on JetBlue. Sauce for the goose and all that.
Can't argue with that too much. Did you think I would?
But of course I didn't raise the Althouse quote just to re-litigate the same sex marriage wars, or bathroom bills, or anything else.
I raised it, as part and parcel of my own observations about the Althouse blog. It really wasn't any "argument" at all on my part.
No, Big Mike.
Not going to answer for the gay folks until the black folks answer for Sheila Jackson Lee. Not going to happen.
My favorite comment from CNN, it was subtitles so it might have been the 'man on the street' who said it. She only flew commercial to provoke this kind of reaction! I guess that's just how Democrats believe the game is played.
@Chuck, I should have made two separate comments. But I wouldn't mind if you answered my first question.
She only flew commercial to provoke this kind of reaction!
See what she made me do !
Yep. Using her kids to troll. "Deplorable!"
Mockturtle,
My experience with the redneck folks from my native Louisiana and my religious family is to leave well enough alone. While I have had a problem here and there, NYC has been far more problematic than was living in Louisiana. So much for the intolerant redneck meme. I call bullshit on that. No place more more racist than NYC. Not Louisiana not Mississippi not Alabama. Sorry to you projectors of your own racism. Truth as I experience it. Dark skin husband (Indian) living in a neighborhood where I am the only white guy about. We manage.
Big Mike said...
@Chuck, are you sure you aren't trying to fight a battle you already won?
That one?
Honestly, I don't understand the question.
I've decided to buy business suits that fit because I look too much like Al Gore.
Whenever I see something like this rude jerk or that silly woman throwing a tantrum at the Wisconsin electoral college vote, I know that I made the right choice in voting against Hillary Clinton and for Donald Trump.
Merry Christmas Hoodlum. I appreciated your comment.
Note: I'm just jumping in here, because the default landing zone is the last comment posted. And just from Dr Weevil's text I see Chuck stirred some shit up-thread. Is he defending the asshats who yell at women? I don't know.
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Mike makes a good point, Ann: your comments system is primitive, early Jurassic stuff.
Now that you're retired you ought to fix it. Disqus? Facebook? Both?
WW said...
I've decided to buy business suits that fit because I look too much like Al Gore.
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Yes. Gore's reached pin-stripe muu muu territory.
Took the bus into work today because my car in the shop. Not too crowded just before holiday. At one point the driver nearly hit a cyclist who got into it with him. For some reason, two old white women on the bus started taking sides and making loud comments, devolving into one old woman verbally harassing the other old woman off and on for 5 minutes til I reached my stop. Tempted to say something but figured I'd just be adding gasoline. Don't take the bus much but I imagine this kind of thing goes on all the time. No conductors so no one to remove the rowdy bus passenger. I guess I should have filmed it and put it on youtube. World full of mentally unstable people and jerks.
I see Chuck stirred some shit up-thread. Is he defending the asshats who yell at women? I don't know.
No, Chuck is not -- and never was -- defending the asshats who yell at women. But after having agreed with Professor Althouse's condemnation of the asshats who yell at women, and having observed that the general domestic political climate has been, well, heated by Mr. Trump's Twitter account et cetera, Chuck was accused (as usual) of having taken the side of the asshats. And of being a troll, and a sleeper agent for Hillary, a Democrat, you name it. As usual. The usual BS.
"No place more more racist than NYC"
Probably so. I think West LA probably is in there, too. Of course they will all say that blacks should know their place, but in a more polite tone.
Conservatives are evil and that's all there is to it, gay or not.
Blogger wholelottasplainin' said.
"Ann: your comments system is primitive, early Jurassic stuff.
Now that you're retired you ought to fix it. Disqus? Facebook? Both?"
Dear God please, no facebook.
Those dirty Jews were just given an in flight Krystalnacht. Why should they be allowed any rights. And they were not wearing the assigned yellow star as Jews. These gay Nazis have earned their Fatherland medals.
Blogger Michael K said...
"No place more more racist than NYC"
Probably so. I think West LA probably is in there, too. Of course they will all say that blacks should know their place, but in a more polite tone.
By the numbers, whichever quantitative measures of racism you prefer, Madison has every other city beat hands down.
It is tough competition with such cities as Phlly, Baltimore, Detroit, Chicago, New Orleans and others.
One key characteristic these racist cities share is solid and long term control by Democrats.
John Henry
Dear God please, no facebook.
I'd prefer no change — but if it must be, then facebook would be preferred to disqus. That platform truly blows.
The extent to which the LGBTQ?* community has reacted with horror to Trump himself strikes me as odd--this guy has to be, objectively, the most LGBTQ?*-friendly person ever elected President (at the time of their election), no?
As a community, they seem to be pretty easy to manipulate.
She only flew commercial to provoke this kind of reaction!
Ivanka is in a no win situation with the liberals.
She flew commercial....she should have known it would cause problems. How dare she! SEE SEE how she provokes!
She took a private jet.....what a hypocrite. She is supposed to be a proponent of climate change and LOOK how much pollution she is making on her nasty private jet. Why doesn't she fly commercial? SEE SEE what a hypocrite she is!!!
Chuck, who supported Hillary Clinton and lied about his vote, sure does take every opportunity to criticize Donald Trump. It is as if he would prefer a loser like John McCain to a winner like Trump.
Non-Chuck note:
Whenever the Democrats or Republicans run the next-in-line candidate, that candidate tends to lose. That list includes Hillary, Romney, McCain, Gore and Dole. The outsider candidates like Reagan, Clinton, Obama and Trump have performed well with voters. Most Americans understandably hate the ads holes tied to parties that wish to rule us. That bunch of Chucks are the worst.
Comments here are just right. Disqus is a shit show, Facebook just as bad.
Too bad he was holding a kid.
Somebody should have punched that princess right in his face.
Making a ruckus on an aircraft is never a smart thing to do.
"And the biggest problem is that Trump himself has been so personally offensive."
and bigger than that problem is if you cared, if yhou gave shits here there and back again, then you could have actually differnce's counted, made.
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"Madison has every other city beat hands down. "
Small town. Berkeley is probably more racist based on interviewing students about the voting rights act.
Blacks are too ignorant to have ID or to use a computer,.
It is a contest.
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